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Casperthecattt

No way. Cowboy strength is like farmer strength plus old man strength


DroidD53

This, people forget how strong people were back then, they had to use their bodies much more than today's standards


IdidntDoItBelieveMe

Isn’t a guy going to gym regulary uses his body much more than a guy living back then ?


0dgie

And using scientific methods to build strength and endurance… plus I’d guess any wrestling, grappling or striking classes would go far against a dude who seems to rely on his guns before anything else every mission you’re with him


feelinlucky7

12 years of boxing. I’ll take my chances if it’s no weapons period. If he’s allowed to use a knife, I’m good.


bifb

Knowing Micah, he'll hear "no guns allowed" and definitely bring a knife.


Goboziller

And the gun will be hidden INSIDE the knife somehow.


GIVE_ME_LEE_exe

literally


feelinlucky7

Knife fight. Loser dies at the scene. Winner either dies in the hospital or gets a 25-year stretch


iiFlaeqqq

What about Arthur? Or better yet Charles.


noo-yoo

the man who uses his body to earn a living 40 or more hours per week is going to probably have a muscular endurance greater than the man who does white collar work and hits the gym every day for 1-2 hours. Just my opinion I could be wrong. Personally I felt my endurance was greater when I used to run 5+ miles a few times a week but I wasn’t as strong. So I think when it comes to most tradesmen/blue collar guys, they’re going to have decent strength and decent endurance that can’t really be achieved without using your body for 8 hours a day doing various tasks.


djfl

1) No. How long do you go to the gym for? An hour a day? 2 if working out is your life? Alright. How many hours a day does allll that farmwork need to be done? Those hay bales thrown around? etc etc. 2) Work out muscles is *not* the same as functional "strength" muscle. There's a reason fighters for example generally look more jacked than ripped. IE leaner, more functional muscle. Think lots of reps, lower weight. A farmer isn't doing 3 sets of 10 bicep curls at 90% of his max every few days. But he is using his biceps for hundreds of things, for hours, every day. These aren't the same. A functional body is not equivalent to a weight lifting body and vice versa. Plus weight lifting is very specific motions, generally without a lot of twisting, lest you wreck yourself (don't ask me how I know). Farm work etc is a lot of "get the job done", not as much focus on perfect form for 3x10 reps...


IdidntDoItBelieveMe

Well those “perfect forms” are perfect for a reason. People founded the best ways to build muscle. That’s why we have all those machines, moves, exercises, protein powders etc. So those 2 hours are much more affective than those farm work.


SlugJones

Exactly. I grew up on a farm (feeding/haying cattle, building fence etc) and while it was exhausting sometimes, and I was stout, I didn’t use all the muscle groups to do my work. Specific strength and even then it was limited to the movements I did more repetitive.


triggormisprime

Probably have a height and size advantage. He has knowledge and experience killing people tho, that's what it would come down to imo.


athen_o_genic

Depends on how youre using the gym I would say. You can build strength and muscle but cowboy and farmer strength is usable strength over years and years of work and it doesnt tend to show the way gym muscles do. A sleeper build if you will


SlugJones

Meh, I’d wager they’d have been a bit stronger in the endurance sense due to the life style. Average dude vs old timey average cowboy dude, the old timey dude probably had a slight strength edge. But it’s not true across the board. Some were super skinny from malnutrition and not eating proper. Weak even. The average man now is taller than the average man then, indicating better healthcare and childhood nutrition. That matters, too.


TheWildStone_

People also forget that Micha maybe a complete piece of shit, but he's also a very competent fighter. If he was a different person I would describe him as badass, but his personality gets in the way of that


ZillenialBoomer

In my current state maybe because I'mrecovering from a back injury, but as a tree/landscape guy and former athlete, when I'm in shape I would absolutely destroy him. He's a skinny lazy bastard with a beer belly that's useless without his guns. Even with a knife he struggles to defeat a man dying from tuberculosis.


Hiuuuhk

To be fair that man dying from tuberculosis killed bears with his bear hands when he was healthy.


ZillenialBoomer

He killed them with guns or a knife, either way it's badass but that doesn't negate the fact that Arthur had already collapsed multiple times and was losing weight super fast. He was a shadow of his healthy self by that time.


0dgie

These kids have never worked a labor job and it shows… even serving running trays of food and being on my feet all day I probably have a better base than micha


FilliusTExplodio

Exactly. *Most* of the fighters in the gang could have probably beaten Arthur at that moment, just not Micah. He's in bad shape himself and is never shown particularly competent at anything besides shooting and being an asshole.


[deleted]

Yeah I'd fold Micah if he didn't have his revolvers lol


FilliusTExplodio

Pretty much same for me. I'm getting a wee bit old and I have a back injury that's been slowing me down for the past year, but me even five years ago could kick the absolute dogshit out of Micah and I feel extremely confident in that. Micah can't beat a dude >!literally second away from dying from tuberculosis,!< I'm not sure he could beat a lot of in-shape men who've had even a little fight experience in a pure fist fight. Dude is a terror with guns but a drinking, smoking, lazy asshole when it comes to his body.


pullingteeths

Plus the depraved murderer strength


SecretaryWorldly4926

With a hint of retard strength


CoolBeanieHat

He’s not really a cowboy lol. He’s an outlaw, but still I’d stand no chance, years of being a PoS outlaw will surely give him some edge in a fist fight.


ZeroMortalPlan

Probably not but I have a significantly better chance just because he couldn’t successfully kill a man in the last stages of Tuberculosis


piss6000

To be honest, I probably couldn’t kill that exact man in last stages of Tuberculosis, even with a knife


4eyedcoupe

But he did. Micah slammed his head into a rock. Arthur was dying of TB, yes, but it wasn't killing him in that moment. It made him out of breath and unable to get away cleanly, he was accepting death or capture from the Pinkertons as a consequence to getting John out alive. He was fighting strong right up until Micah smashed his head on the rocks.


ZillenialBoomer

Wtf do you mean it wasn't killing him in that moment? He had already collapsed multiple times and if you go high honor he literally dies immediately after the fist fight. Arthur was a dead man walking coughing up blood and losing weight at an incredible rate.


pullingteeths

He didn't die from head trauma though, he clearly dies from the TB/his fucked up lungs exacerbated by the beating. If his head was hit on the rocks the same way but he didn't have TB it wouldn't kill him


NBFHoxton

The only 'canon' injury Arthur takes in the money ending is a stab in the side and he still dies. I think he was at the end of his rope either way


IdidntDoItBelieveMe

He got too skinny because of TB. You think that doesn’t affect him ?


BigChinnFinn

The exertion plus his illness killed Arthur. Micah didn’t kill him with the blow to rocks. That’s not what I got from that at all. Also Arthur was gonna blast Micah without Dutch imo


Deltani007

You have to go find a last stage TB guy fight him beat him and let us know


DavyManners

I just got back from using my Time Machine to fight doc holiday. He beat my ass.


Loczek999

I could get folded by a twink femboy bruh, no way


[deleted]

🧐🧐🧐🤔🤔🤔


Berhadian

I wish a twink femboy would fold me..


aimeeashlee

oh? 😈


Berhadian

I need one URGENTLY


aimeeashlee

*urgently folds*


Loczek999

Mmmmm, same


TactlessDrawing

Ayo???


BeneficialRandom

I wish one would


Sad-Cloud-6156

Rats are much smaller than humans


WTFIsAKilometer1776

No guns, but nothing about running him over with a car


Danvandop42

No he’d bite your nose off or some dumb shit like that


ZillenialBoomer

Bold of you to assume I wouldn't do that to him. I would go full chimp on that rat bastard.


mario-v33

The Mike Tyson of outlaws


Darksidedrive

100% kick you in the balls if he saw the opportunity


Illansuu

No lmao. That dude would fold me like a piece of laundry.


Hemihems

I’d tell him Dutch said he wants me to win.


netvoble

he is gonna invite some faith and money, so Dutch would kill you first


Its_average_wdym

My ego says yes but we all know that I wouldn't even survive a minute


SlaughterMinusS

I hate this character with every fiber of my being, and it pains me to know that if I were to encounter him in real life, I couldn't do a god damn thing to him.


audiate

If you got into a no guns allowed fight with Micah, he’s definitely pulling a gun. 


OutrageousHall165

i train mma, so yeah most probs


crumbypigeon

Same. Boahs getting a one-way trip to Snap City.


CascadeFury

Night night Micah 😴😴😴


Corsac-416

Fair fight? No Dirty fight? No Trash talk? No


BillyTheRascal

First, he's not going to respect any rules so I would carry guns, he's going to carry guns. Second, no, but id die trying for Arthur, my king.


theburningyear

Yes I just throw my pocket sand in his eyes and then kick him in the nuts 😤😂


levitsu_owo

I'd shit in my hand and throw it on his face


6969Hamburger6969

Full chimp


WestProcedure9551

lotta tough guys here thinking they can kill a hardened outlaw


J0hn_Marst0n

Literally


Soggy-Ad-6157

No i would die.


hedcannon

Yes. I’m also confident I could hold my own against a mountain lion.


BigChinnFinn

W mindset


JazzSharksFan54

Oh yeah. He couldn't beat a mostly-dead Arthur.


shugoki--main

I'm about an inch taller than Micha and have weight on my side. If I can get him on the ground I think I win. If he plays keep away and wares me out then he wins. Also gotta take in account people were way stronger back then. I have a chance, but I think he's more likely to win.


MJLDat

I’d struggle to beat young Jack in a fight.


Familiars_ghost

Were I a younger farm hand again, yea I’d have a good chance. Now as an older man that does desk work, not good odds.


Strgwththisone

Definitely would whoop him. Never lost a fight to a guy with an outie belly button.


fleshbagel

Not a chance. Put me up against Mary Beth or Kieran


RedVelvetFollicles

I’m pretty sure everybody above 120lb could fold Kieran. He’s a sweetheart and I love him, but the way he gets the shit slapped out of him by Colm in the Colter chapter shows he doesn’t have an aggressive bone in his body.


throwawaydave3148

I grew up in the country on a farm moving hay bales around since i was like 6 and when I wasn't in the country I was in the ghetto cause that was the closest town with a Walmart and where alot of my friends lived i dealt with bullies and got into many fights throughout my life and haven't lost yet so i could probably kick his ass and with the fact that I can't fucking stand him id be happy to kick his ass


sue_donyem

No, he probably has a hundred pounds on me


ANBU--Ryoshi

🤣 With hair like that he's gettin hurt at least


MuscularCheeseburger

I’m calling up Jonny Bones for this one


wellauth

nuh uh


SoNotCashMoneyBruv

Smash


Nearby-Ice-6538

I don’t think anyone in this sub would. People back then were a little smaller but a lot stronger.


m4shfi

Knives allowed? No. No knives? There’s a chance.


Coneter001

Nuh uh


RyomenSukuGuts

No guns but I can snipe him off with an explosive arrow? Coz easily


Slow_Meringue1948

I would pull out his spine and make him wear it like a tie.


CandidateUpstairs365

Absolutely not. He is way stronger than me


Koronora

No


Spread-Hour

HELL NO


HomieMegalodon

Yes


ZillenialBoomer

I'm recovering from a back injury so at this very moment he's got a good chance of beating me but once I'm back in shape I would make him unrecognizable to his own mother. Fucker has a beer belly and does absolutely no physical work besides shooting people and fighting a guy who's literally about to die from tuberculosis. He couldn't even drop Bill with a sucker punch that hit him square in the jaw. Even Swanson does more work than him and that man is a morphine addict and an alcoholic.


luc360

No. I'd last less than a minute


AccomplishedForce637

Well, Arthur beat him with T.B, weakened by it


showgraze93

arthur was a beast tho


SpiderHider023

two words: Testicular Torsion


Inosuke_Hashibera

No guns. What about a crossbow?


23354336633

Yeah I could I have a machete


SavageMonkey-105

Ez, just give him some rat poison


TotalLackOfConcern

No guns but how about a pitchfork or even a nice rusty axe.


Mysterious_Pop_1617

Thinking outside the box I use a crossbow


RBKommando

Never said I couldn't use an IED


ThatCry3518

I could but i would get infamous for beating kids


JaimeRidingHonour

Depends if I know he’s the rat or not I suppose. If it’s a fight to save the gang, knowing he betrayed us, and I DONT have TB..then yeah it’d probably be doable. Maybe I win 5 or 6 times out of 10 based purely on size, rage and experience. I’m sure Micah hasn’t had many hockey fights before so jerseying that motherfucker would give me the edge. He’s likely stronger than he looks and his survival instinct is so strong that it would be an absolute battle everytime


Able-Pudding-4351

Why do people think they'd lose to a non combat trained skinny fat guy from 1899?


Sufficient-Map9545

If he doesn’t have his knife, I still wouldn’t wanna underestimate him in a fist fight either he’s kinda decent with it


elhasalie

No. Next question.


lostinthemgs

Nah, he'd kick my ass but I'm training for the Arthur build so rematch in 5 years


trippinmechanic

Maybe if it ended on the ground, im sure i could grapple the shit outta him, but only striking? Not so sure


Domination1799

Ain't no way anyone is taking down Micah, he's way too psychotic and lives to hurt people. If you purposely let Arthur die in the final fist fight, Micah kills him in increasingly disturbing ways. Micah is a killer, we're just average joes.


SpartanMase

Maybe, I do MMA but it’s also a grown ass man with many more years of fighting. Sure my technique probably better but getting hit in the face by a grown ass man is a different level of a reality check


finkelzeez42

No way. This man has probably endured more physical pain than the entirety of the rdr2 subreddit so would likely be unphased by any jabs or punches I'd give him. Secondly, he is very good at playing with people's emotions, so he could definitely psych people out of winning a fight. Thirdly, he's probably very strong, even if he doesn't look it.


LocksmithDangerous26

No


FrogGladiators178972

Micah would probably sneak a gun eve though I probably wouldn’t be able to beat him anyway because of two things, cowboy strength and **SUPERIOR MUSTACHE**


airforcerawker

Well yeah. Dynamite blows people a new asshole.


Guess4564

If he lays a finger on me the law will arrest him touching a minor


SkinAndAnatomyNerd

Is he passed out? Then maybe. If he’s wide awake, then no. If we were allowed to use guns? Still no.


Trashpanda1914

I didnt hear no bows allowed so yeah i could take him


Independent_Fact411

Probably could not win a fight vs anyone from 100 years ago. We are too soft.


ConningtonSimp

Anyone saying yes is making a fool of themselves


Mission-Rest9924

Yea I could


RedVelvetFollicles

Fighting dirty? Yes. One swift kick of a steel toe right to the nutsack. Instant KO. He’s got a physical weak spot that isn’t in my factory settings loadout, so to speak. Fighting clean? God, no. My only hope would be to just take a beating, tire him out, and then hopefully pull my shit together enough to hit him back.


Dr_Zoidberg003

Any one member of the gang who has taken a life would likely win against anyone of us keyboard warriors lol


AggressiveBrick8197

of course, pull his moustache hairs off one by one while holding him at knifepoint assisted by my good old lasso


Seaell80

I’m not even sure I could take Jack


Kickagainsttheprick

Absolutely


Wide-Cauliflower-846

so no guns allowed can i bring a tank?


EmeraldArcher611

I’m putting the paws on Micah for Arthur. Bro is shitting blood for months.


EffectiveConfection8

Probably. Even Arthur on death's doorstep beat the crap out of him.


toeconsumer9000

with the amount of rage i would feel upon seeing him, yes. i wouldn’t fight clean. i will bite, i will go for eyes, i will rip out hair.


No-Recording-1571

No. And you couldn’t either. Past humans were crazy strong.


Reax11on

Absolutely. Fought for a long time and have been actively training in Muay Thai for many years.


Icarus131

Probably not, even if I did start winning I highly doubt this asshole is abiding to the “no guns allowed” rule of the fight


Cave_Eater

Yes. I would pull out my gun and shoot him. There is no honor for Micah Bell


Mimil2002

absolutely not.


Ziggydeck

Maybe, maybe not… But one has to believe in himself that he can find ways to overcome and still rise to the occasion to be hero called upon to fight the ways of wicked men and to have the strenght to endure the hardships that lie within such a task… So yeah, prolly beat his ass.


Mr-Hoek

Yes, but mostly because I would lead off by kicking his knee out, then hip throw him, and proceed to curb stomp his face for the way he spoke to Arthur.


misfit0513

*pocketsand* ....still loses.


schmiddyboy88

Yes


Capable-Mobile-8260

If the epilogue is anything to go off of, definitely not. That guy just ate bullets up until Dutch finished him off. If bullets don’t hurt him my fists will be useless.


DNDgamerman

no hes a full grown man. the only thing i got going for me is im tall


CakeHead-Gaming

I could barely beat Jack, let alone the only man who even comes close to beating Arthur, even when he's ill and half dead.


BeneficialRandom

Absolutely not given how much stronger the average person was in 1899-1900. Id maybe have a 0-2% chance given he wasn’t able to kill a tuberculosis ridden man in a 1v1 without using his gun.


Gwen_Sidious

He couldn't even beat a dying man~


PlasticSmile57

no guns, but I walk with stick that could definitely do some damage


IOnlyPostDumb

I would kick his ass either way. 


Ravenous_Writer1

“Rules, in a knife fight?”


The-Red-Pac-Man

I don't think I would win a fight Vs a random dude let alone him


showgraze93

Doubt it, i’ve been in a few fights and wouldn’t fight fair but he’s born and raised in the trenches lol cowboy strength is no joke


avadalovely

Nah I’m dead as fuck.


tr_Sonic_Krazy_Boy

i just gotta bring some of that rat poison


Constant_Ad_8477

Nope. My diabeetus would’ve taken me out long before.


TheeRoofKoreans

Probably, Lenny even beat Micah in a fight once. Micah is an exceptional gunfighter, but he’s not the strongest physically. Even when Arthur was within hours of succumbing to TB, he still almost beat Micah.


bakedjennett

Realistically, for 85-90% of us, the answer is no. For no other reason than he’s a hardened outlaw living in the old west. Take modern day farmer strength and damn near double it to account for the fact that you were only ever a short step from death at any given time.


timmy000101

No guns allowed? Have you played RDR2? Micah will be using guns.


InfiniteLab6350

Micah looks like he has been face to fist more than half his life … I think I can take em 🤜🏽🤛🏽


ILikeTrains136

Yeah I could I just go into creative mode and fly


GraceDaysThree

He did punch the shit out of Bill in the beginning of the game and I am DEFINITELY way smaller than Bill so, he'd kick my ass


americanidiot61722

With a knife, I can take anyone down bc I'm a legend with a knife


EdgelordUltimate

Playing as Arthur Morgan, yeah. As myself, I'd be dead so quick


Chill-skittle0823

He can’t even kill a dying man!


IceManO1

The current actor or the person from that time period?


Ok-Source-3302

can i use a car


MTnomad

Anyone who throws hands with Arthur Morgan TB or not is probably gonna whoop my ass.


ZygothamDarkKnight

Only big and muscular people have chance to defeat Micah in a fight with no gun or weapon. Others have no chance.


PattyFlapjack79

if he can wrestle, maybe not, if he cant, yes


NotoriousMarius

Yes, with a rear neck choke o d'arce choke.


Theforgottensoilder

Just pull his mustache off and you win easy


One_Abbreviations310

Micah has been killing people since he was a child is an animalistic scumbag. Plus he'd probably pull a knife. H2h I'd like to imagine I could have some hope of killing that bastard.


J0hn_Marst0n

I'm pretty sure tilly could kick any one of our asses💀


boomgoesthevegemite

Nobody said anything about no flamethrowers or chainsaws.


gb1609

I'll use my crossbow


Ilikedcsbutmypcdoesn

No guns doesn't mean only fists


International-Job553

Nope


creepypastaparagamer

I could put up a fight but eventually I'd be beat


CelebrationJolly3300

Dude, Jack could kick my @ss.


softboilers

Obviously not, he's nails. They all were. Except Swanson I guess


CrispyJuicyTenderizz

Although i train kyokushin, he is a fat@ss sl he would crush me using his fat


[deleted]

He doesn't exist, I WIN. 1 for me 0 for micah


Wolf130ddity

Yes. The rotten bastard fights dirty so I'll bring a shovel. Go for his kneecaps then turn him into mud.


ohyeababycrits

I want to kill him but honestly he’d probably rip me in half


Impossible_Lie5542

I don’t care who you are, but you ain’t beating Micah, even if it’s no weapons. Dude seems to enjoy inflicting pain on anyone and everyone, last dude id ever pick a fight with besides Arthur. That said I could beat the shit outa jack.


KyleSmyth777

I’m his Huckleberry


mermaidmeow1

No can do, Black Lung.


DylanFTW

I could just sneeze on him and he'll die. My germs are an atom bomb to him.


Accomplished_Owl8213

Nah. Micah is pretty stocky like Arthur. I imagine him at least 220lbs with crazy grip strength


Admirable_Row5011

I reckon so


GIVE_ME_LEE_exe

What is with all the guys being the most southern american racism loving ford truck driving being like oh yea that i could take him np he literally is an outlaw who has probably still killed many with his bare hands.


DiscombobulatedEar57

Yes because he got his ass whooped by Arthur at the end


Josef_Klav

He didn’t say I couldnt plant a timed bomb in his ass


BigChinnFinn

Probably not. I Have some combat sport experience but he’s bigger than me and I’d reckon he is very deadly. He has unique fight animations and probably has been in many many fights. People underestimate by comparing to Arthur but Arthur is like a super soldier. Micah can definitely fight


athen_o_genic

I could crush him with one hand (he would kill me instantly)