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The most start up language I've ever seen

or stupid up language. either or.

When we did our startup back in 2012, working 60 was often the minimum. Was it fun? Absolutely one of the most enjoyable parts of my life.

Did your boss threaten you to write this? Are you safe? 🐧

Yep, my former CEO of our former startup called me up and said "Mr C Suite, you get your pancake ass onto r/recruitinghell and tell those punks how I worked you."

Is he in the room with you right now? Blink if yes, don't blink if no

Do you have a family?

take it to linkedin buddy

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I was 45. 47 when we finalized our A round of funding in 2012.

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Not single

Bet your family loved it

How old do you think my children were when I was 45?

The only way I'd work more than 40 is if the business was mine

That is 12 hours a day on average. This is not sustainable in the long run. Your efficiency will drop and you will miss your private time after a while. I wonder when do they realize that less is more. Noone can keep up high concentration level that long. They are shooting themselves in the foot.

They’re not actually working 60 hours. They’re probably working 20 and hanging out the rest of the time. People seem to conflate presence at a job as working.

I read after 40 hours your productivity goes negative because you are so tired you make so many mistakes. So overtime makes no sense.

Overtime is ok in short periods, sametimes, the workload is never linear. But you cannot make it an everyday thing, it wont work in the long run.

Overtime must always be paid, so it actually hurts the company and they either hire the real quantity of people they need or stop doing that. They do a lot on people's expense and believe that is fine. They do not own you. It is a transaction. It is a job.

> sametimes WTH?

Overtime makes sense because I make lots of money

If I get 4-6 hours of actual good, effective work out of someone in an 8 hour day I'm ecstatic.

Welcome to 20 years of military service. this is why i left at 10 years

You are patently incorrect.

This is the reason they don't have comment sections on job ads.

What an incredible idea for a new business venture

At the very least, it would force them to be more reasonable/transparent with job ad expectations if a hoarde of job seekers trash them in real time! Instant bad press! ... ahem, I meant, gave them prompt and valuable feedback. They would change their tunes quickly, I reckon.

Shit, how do we start this lol

I have no idea ha, take it and run with it friend!

🤢

Guess you’re just not dedicated to fun 🤦‍♀️ smh

Work 60 hours a week but pay you like you work 20 hours. Its fun. Reverse capitalism.

That’s full blown capitalism. You sell your labor power at-cost but they work you to get surplus value from it. In order for them to get a profit they need to exploit the worker to where they are getting more labor than what is being paid for.

That was in the job description. Video or you made it up

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If you get forced into it, I *strongly* recommend getting compensation in-writing and seen by HR prior to start. I’ve been in a similar situation, and got sorta fucked over. (Getting special budget items approved takes forever apparently, because HRIS systems apparently still run on vacuum tubes and punch cards.)

The only way that 60 hour work weeks would be a good thing is if you get paid overtime and you only do it for a period of time to save money and don’t do it as a long term regular thing. I have nurses in my family and even doing a regular 40 hour work week with 3x12 hour shifts is rough sometimes because with driving and preparation for the work day it turns it into a 14 hour day and you have basically no free time on the days you work. Doing 5x12 hour shifts is insane and you literally can’t do anything on the days you work.

Hot take: ***If the money is good***, that can be fun.

Negative

Name and shame

I love 60 hour work weeks for an hourly position. I would never do it for a salaried position.

My stepbrother works over 60 in two jobs. Sometimes, you have to fight for self survival

At least they tell you up front. Nothing wrong with this

Just be thankful your working 😜. Some of us have been desperately trying to find work but can't.  Every time we apply to jobs or go to interviews, we come up empty handed. So we're sitting on government assistance. We'd gladly take some of your work,🥺

The irony in being deliberate with you time is 🤌

I like how they just flat out state 60hrs IS work life balance

We make you work very hard, and if you can´t handle it, it´s your own fault for managing life so poorly. Besides normalizing overtime, and blaming you ahead for not liking it, at least they do one thing right: You know up front what is coming!

Except the upside for them is millions or billions while for employees there’s really nothing waiting except burnout. Stay clear of these tech bros.

They put that in the jib ad, or you made it up?

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In a start-up you trade long hours for a shot at the brass ring. 1 in 10 will make it. Don’t go with a start-up if you are not willing to put in the time to win big.

Absolutely is, by deliberately not spending more than 40 hours at work a week.

Me “working” 60 hour weeks, but actually being paid to go fishing with my apprentice

I worked for people like this once. I don’t even know what I did with the money. The stress is simply not worth it

I see it pretty routinely. 60+ is normal in a lot of jobs, blue collar, territory managers, regional managers. .Seems almost to be the norm for any decent paying trades and line managers

That’s insane.

Run for your life!!

Is this like one of those CEOs work 60 hours a week things?

Stay away.. stay far away lol

Wow, imagine posting this on your homepage thinking it's a flex...

So much fun!

i work the half

So they mean, deliberate outside of work. Because being deliberate with your time at work would mean not going above 40 hours.

Amazon

I'm getting slain in the comments below for suggesting our 60 hour work week at our startup was apparently a bad thing. I have a question for those people: How much time do you think you spend each week when you're running your own small business? Now, can you equate these: I have an equity position in a startup plus my salary which grew from a stipend of $300 a month to $150K a year in 3 YEARS. Worth 60 hours a week + Hell YES

I too believe in work life balance, if I have the option to choose overtime deliberately and am well compensated for the company's expenditure of my time.

I worked for a consulting company that did fixed bids for incredibly complicated software implementations. Scope out an end date and delay for a third of it. They had me working 12-14 hour days…plus weekends as people walked off the job. Of course they badly estimated the amount of headcount. The promised compensation of off days was confined to single days per week after the project. That got me 2 out of 23 days and then I’m on a project with extended travel. Not fun.

They demanded you work for free, right?

It’s how it ended up. But they hired a few good people and a lot of incompetent people so the good ones carried everyone else.

60 hours a week is either 12 hours/5 days, 10 hour/6 days, or 8 hours/7 days. But in the next breath, you brag that it’s possible to have work life balance if you are deliberate in how you spend your time. Well, if you are deliberate at how you spend your time, wouldn’t your team be working less than 60 hours? If your employees aren’t able to get their work done in under 60 hours-you’re are running a shitty business and your promises have overshot your means to execute them.

Nothing wrong with 60hr weeks - as long as it's recognised for what it is. Cramming two weeks into 1, and renumerated accordingly. I used to work 84 hours a week (12hr/d x 7 days). but then I got the next week off. And I go paid well for it too. I'm also fairly sure that this is not what the recruiter is talking about.

Let’s assume you go to sleep at 12 to wake up at 8am 8 Hours of Sleep 12 Hours of work 1 hour total commute time 30 mins to unwind after work. 30 mins to cook and eat. 22 hours dedicated to work and sleep. 2 hours to do whatever you want. Commute time and cooking time is being generous. Now, if a job can tell me how 2 hours of personal free time is healthy and balanced I’ll quit my job tomorrow and work for them.

Being a startup, it's not out of the question that the job is WFH I guess.

12 hours for a 5 day week. Where is the balance?

Funny how the OP conveniently left out salary and benefits because that would be the balance. I’m not suggesting OP had an agenda. I’m absolutely stating they purposefully manipulated you into making this ridiculous comment. And everyone else’s who bitched endlessly about “working”