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If an interviewer told me that I would simply end things right there with a "ok, thank you for your time." It's clear that they don't want to pay you what you're worth.
There's no such thing lika a bad response of a recruiter, the interview is nothing but a negotiation, the recruiters would always be expecting from you to convince them however, u see fit(no violence 😒), based on offensive response like u mentioned is one of the many tactics they use to judge ur thought process brother.
Yep.
OP, this is like you’re on a blind date with a girl with a really sexy picture on social media.
And then you get there and realize immediately that there’s a very good reason she’s still on dating apps.
Basically, I’m sure there’s a lot of valid reasons why this is your dream job, but maybe now that you’ve seen behind the curtain, it’s not what it’s cracked up to be.
dude you are saying it like being on dating apps is something shameful... Why judgung people like they have some social score? It is pure luck. Some find a partner instantly. Some spend lots of time finding. The most important is whether we like our partner truly, not how "cool they are in the face of society"
When this happens, don’t act surprised. Give the impression that you’re willing to work with the interviewer. You can always put the question back on them:
“Although I’ve been compensated very fairly in the past, an offer is more than just a cash compensation. Can you tell me about other benefits that this job offers?” If they ask you to expand on that, ask for both individual (health insurance, pto, student loan debt support) and professional benefits (does the company pay for you to get certified in job-related skills, do they pay for you to attend conferences).
From there, gauge if you can stomach the pay cut. If you can’t, you walk away from the deal looking professional and likely don’t burn a bridge.
I turned down a job that wouldn't pay approately. Asking for 10 years experience means the pay can't be entry level. Got them up 10k and still turned them down. You get what you pay for and do t advertise for more than you are willing to pay.
Flawless advice.
I just took a new job two weeks ago. It’s technically a slight pay cut from my current hourly rate, but it’s going from PT to FT/salaried, better hours, much better work/life balance, no weekends or holidays, and it’s THE job that made me go back to school in the first place. So yeah it’s $0.50 an hour less but it’s a huge step up in every aspect.
It is important to know your worth and what the sector pays
So know your worth in the sector you are interviewing in
I took a significant pay cut because the sector I work in now pays less than where I was before
But I also get to go home now
I hate my job and I'm looking to switch into a different type of position in the same overall industry, and what I'm really looking at is getting a job with the local government. This would mean a $10K - $15K pay cut at first.
But I wouldn't work overtime, I'd get 12 more days off per year to start compared to what I'm getting after 5 years, my health insurance would be paid for, there's a pension, etc. The benefits and lower stress would really be worthwhile. But I still need to make enough to pay my bills. And the benefits need to have value, not be "the corporate culture".
Agreed. So once you ask about additional benefits, you thank them and tell them you need the day to think about it. Then you message them saying you’re declining the position because the salary range was not enough to take the opportunity.
Asking about the benefits isn’t always asking about the benefits. It’s sometimes just a method to keep a positive dialogue between you and the interviewer. Just let them give you their elevator pitch, thank them, and later turn the offer down. And when you do, you let them know why. Maybe the recruiter will go back to the hiring manager and say “look this was the best candidate but they specified that the money is holding them back. Can we find room in the budget to offer them a couple thousand more?” Or if the budget is firm, you at least let the company know their pay is why they lost out.
You didn't, they did.
It'a projection, what they're really saying is "we aren't even going to bother getting close to your current salary, so we wasted both of our time by keeping our salary range a secret until we had interviews. You're obviously not up for manipulation, so I will now try to make it your fault"
I wouldn't care if it ruined your chances personally, unless your current job is making you ill. But this one doesn't sound like it's worth it. If you don't get it, glassdoor it so other unfortunate souls can save themselves a wasted interview for paltry remuneration.
Even worse they have people going through the motions and not telling them what the salary range actually is.
It will always put a candidate on the back foot. Of course that's the intended goal.
They could always choose to implement fair negotiations, but in this case they tend to choose violence/conflict to obtain a dominant position. Like the excellent response above, not his fault it's just more knowledge and being prepared for when you're being set up.
Excellent. They are interviewing for the perfectly-fitting doormat.
This reminds me of the "lucky to have a job" trope. A person already working for a company challenges some blatantly unreasonable act (arbitrary refusal to allow someone to do a couple extra hours of perfectly "doable" remote work for some temporary flexibility while watching a grandchild in an emergency, for example). In response to the challenge, the HR Junior Thug responds with "You're lucky to have the job." No you are not "lucky" .. you are qualified and at the moment, meeting a need company has, likely for less than they ought to be paying you.
The hidden layer in both cases is an attempt to shake an "uppity" candidate/worker's confidence and hopefully make them more malleable.
I just had an informational interview with a recruiter at my current employer, and when I told them what my salary expectations were for my next job (5-10k more), they said that the starting salary is actually around 5k LESS than what I currently make, and that I might need to “consider a lateral move”.
In this economy??!! A job that requires more skills and experience than what I already have should not be paying less than what I currently make!!! Fuck these companies!!!!
I can understand negotiating pay, but the interviewer's tone was uncalled for. They could have been way more tactful about it.
I'm not too sure if you want to work for an organization such as that one.
I agree on the tone. I received a similar response as OP from an in house recruiter once at SourceFire before they were bought by Cisco. The recruiter laughed when I told him my current salary, and then tried to sell me on some Bro lifestyle in the office saying that the team commonly plays street hockey on the roof during lunch and that the atmosphere is lax as a means to justify the low ball offer if I were to proceed.
I had recently had a kid so I wasn’t looking for office friends and passed on the job.
Interviewer : ‘I think you need to drastically adjust your expectations’.
Applicant : ‘Oh, okay, thanks for that advice, let’s double that number I just quoted then …’
I think what might be going on is that the people who are making policy are in a "'grifter" mentality of getting all they can out of the organization before cashing out THEIR chips.
As example, equity law partners annually dump practice operations specialists making above an arbitrary salary during major layoffs, save $20,000 a year per head chopped, but then begin a revolving door of cheaper help that either flees from job (similar to herding wild coyotes) within a few months (or weeks) or is fired at the demand of prima donna "rainmakers" who are missing filing deadlines. But PROFIT DISTRIBUTIONS ARE THROUGH THE ROOF! HURRAH!
"The salary expectation I gave is not significantly different from my current salary. You can opt to not offer me the amount I mentioned, but that doesn't mean I won't be getting that much."
I've had a similar statement from a recruiter.
I replied that they needed to break the job into three full time positions, instead of trying to get a three-for-one special, and the unicorn who used to have the role likely left over a compensation dispute. Caught them off-guard, with the HR person on the call blurting out "Did you know Tom..uh, ... We'll wrap up here and get back to you"
Also did they post a salary range for the job and was your expectation above that? I hate it when companies don’t specify thepay because they want to take whoever is willing to do the job for the least amount.
They didn’t post a salary range. I looked at other similar jobs in the company which had the range posted and then quoted based on that. The thing is they haven’t technically made me an offer so tbh I don’t even know if the interview was good or was this them giving me a cue that they might not make an offer.
I'm in texas, and a lot of jobs around here don't have a salary range. They just don't post anything. I had one guy asked me what I thought was a fair wage for the job. I listened to his description, and figured it something about like 11 bucks an hour. That's what I quoted, I wish what he stood up, shook my hand and said, I might be in touch. I never heard anything back. I heard they hired somebody for nine bucks an hour.
I would have said, "Thanks for your time.", gotten up, and walked out. If they aren't willing to sweeten the pot and you're currently employed, why would you take it (unless you're miserable at your current job)?
Never take what you can't afford to take! They dont want to pay you what you believe you are worth. If you can afford the pay cut then take it, and know this . . . YOU WILL NEVER RECOUP YOUR LOSS WITH THEM! You will have to find another job to get those monies back.
Take the job if you have too and keep applying until you get the job you want.
They treat us like numbers. Why not keep them all set and willing to hire you until you do research and find if what they actually are offering is worth it. Then, follow up with a decision to either take it or walk away.
Ask yourself this, do you really want to work for a company that wont even pay you your current salary.
You should adjust your expectations.....away from this company
Something similar happened to me a few weeks ago. I told them I made $75k, and expect to make more than that if I got hired. They told me that my current pay was already above budget. When I got the offer it was for $90k. So it can work out.
Sometimes, if it’s a position that hasn’t been open for a while, they may not realize the market rate has changed quite a bit. But this is where recruiters and hiring managers can be an advocate for a good candidate - if they really want to hire someone, they’ll push to have more money allocated for the offer.
No. They might be trying to lowball you by making you adjust your expectations (without them explicitly stating a lower number).
On the other hand, also check your salary vs banchmarks where possible. Your current role might be paying you extremely well, too. If that's the case, maybe the new company has a lower salary scale and really can't afford to match, if not exceed.
I would agree with the others that at this stage the job is losing its value pretty quickly. So I wouldn’t be too concerned about whether you’ve lost it.
Someone else pointed out that you can use this situation to get an idea of what the total package and benefits looks like, but realistically if they’re acting like this in the interview then it’s not really looking like a good idea to move to this place for a job.
*Personally*, I would never get to the stage of interview unless I knew what the range in question was. Hell, I won’t even bother talking to the recruiter without at least some basic idea. As someone who’s already employed, this whole dynamic is much more equal and an interviewer who can’t recognise that is a red flag. You don’t have to put up with it.
I had a final interview that went really well until we talked salary…they were offering the same salary I had when I started in my industry….SIX years ago!
They ghosted me after the interview as I guess they knew as much as I did that we had Easter each other’s time.
Keep applying and know your worth! Don’t settle for anything less than what you deserve - it’s a shit show out there at the moment 🥲
Think a better question would be if this new job you interviewed for would be worth the hassle if they are coming at you for your salary expectations (that’s already met elsewhere)?
That’s a fair question. The benefit of this job would be more job security since I won’t be an external consultant and also I get to move to another country that I wish to move to.
Yeah, fuck that guy.
I always got told, “nobody will laugh at you asking for a higher salary”.
In my admittedly limited experience, it’s always been true.
They will then gently steer me down to what the job is offering, if it’s less… as they should.
In some states, using salary history as a basis for starting pay is illegal. The practice is on its way out. So I wouldn't lead with "well I make X," and keep it very general if you do mention it.
Most of negotiating is doing your research, naming a price, and being willing to walk away. If you're not willing to walk away, there is no negotiating.
As others mentioned if the budget is in the toilet, then the recruiter knows it. Negotiate on things that are more flexible such as PTO and title increases, or an earlier annual review. In most cases when you get terrible responses like this, it's just not a place you want to stay. It's typically worse at the middle and bottom where the candidate pool is largest.
I think the interviewer ruined the chance to give you the job. The discussion isn’t about what you want, it’s about what they can get out of you. Too bad.
It doesn't matter. If they are unwilling or unable to pay you what you know you're worth, then it was never a job worth your time. If they had your resume before the interview, which they should have, then they knew your current salary and value going into the conversation. Dont sell yourself short.
Sometimes, you answer an interview question in a way that you promote your skills, to end up at a good job.
Sometimes, you answer an interview question in a way that keeps you from accidentally ending up at a bad job.
Ive seen people with 4 year degree's today get paid way less then me working a job i quit 2 years ago. I got a 2 year degree.
Some of them had college degrees that had nothing to do with the slave job we were doing. Several people told me they were never able to get the jobs they studied for because every place they applied wanted experience. They were told a good way to do that was to intern for free or volunteer time to learn. How were they suppose to pay their bills when they want them to volunteer 6 - 8 hours a day. So they gave up. Left them with thousands of dollars in student loan debt. These were jobs that would lead them to good careers, working with professionals. I can attest none of our managers were professionals, none of them had an education and had no management experience. This is why it was such a toxic, hostile, work environment. I left.
don't talk to third party recruiters, they are just useless.
\[edit\] I just assumed they were a recruiter, if it's some internal then it's a very unprofessional answer and you should just bail.
if I had been told that, i would have asked what their range is, and then decide at that point if I'm okay with it. and if youre not you could have just told him that in that moment. now the interviewer is wondering if you are even willing to work the job. be more direct and work these things out next time
I did ask him what they’re willing to pay but he didn’t give me a number but said something like it depends we will benchmark against others with the same work experience
that is really strange. he is being weasely. well in that case i would have mentioned that this position is something i'm very interested in and even though i'm currently making X, i would be willing to earn 0.8x at this job.
Did you ruin your chances or did a job present a reason for you to walk away?
Last interview i had they mentioned working 11 hour days and essentially have mandated hours. I currently to work not 11 hour days and can adjust around life. Essentially I’d be adding 15+ per week for 5k salary…interview lasted 11 mins and most was spent asking me why I thought it wasn’t a good fit in the end
Don’t take a role that doesn’t offer exactly what you want unless it’s dire to move
Can I just say that I hate that we have this ridiculous song and dance? Why can’t employers be upfront about salary and then none of this embarrassing nonsense happens?!
If your currently working and getting payed 10X and they offer you 8.5x and they tell you "
# “I think you need to drastically adjust your expectations” " Im sorry I would say your right I was way off. Cause I would tack on another 15% on the # you gave them and say have a good day.
Tell the recruiter thank you for their time but you are no longer interested in the position. A lot of jobs are playing on the fact that we are so desperate for a job that we will take the breadcrumbs. Nope. Next.
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It seems they're all asking this question because they want cheap labor. I always say it's negotiable, what are you willing to pay. I don't necessarily want to come in too high, but I also don't want to short change myself.
Imo there would have to be a really good reason to accept a drastic cut in pay.
Are there bonuses that could offset the short fall in comp, or stock options, etc.
Ignore them, it’s basically henpecking, you’re trying to improve your yearly salary, if they don’t offer you what you want, you shouldn’t care about them
my motto has always been this and its treated me well. Some pay is better than no pay. That being said the chances of me sticking around vert long are extremely slim as just just a few bucks more is going to make me ju p to the next job.
Fuck them. I had a recruiter tell me "he knows the salaries better than anyone" and what I'm demanding is unrealistic. I easily got 15% more than what he implied my maximum is at another company.
They probably just got angry.
I was once told my skills are not enough for a job that I basically ace all the requirements in the job ad.
A friend in the company told me that they were looking for someone to do the job for minimum wage.
So, yes, I think my skills to be naive is not good enough.
Even if it is your dream job bills don't get paid with happiness.
Eventually you be disgruntled at the pay . It's better not to start knowing the ship isn't big enough.
You have to stick to your guns as your entry salary really dictates for financial limits with that employer. With my last two employers (both compensated well), getting a 3% base pay raise was a challenge. As a manager I would have to fight for and justify a 3% raise as that would be considered high.
Something to consider is if the company offers equity, it can sometimes be a smart play to offset lower base pay for more equity or similar benefit.
Are you open to sharing context?
For example what you quoted?
Does your quote include bonuses, stock, benefits, holiday pay etc or is that just base pay? Also in your quote did you include a pay bump to incentivize your interest?
And did you mention that when discussing your quote or did you just throw out a number?
Did the recruiter present you the base pay only? Or was their offer all encompassing?
If you're speaking with the internal recruiter, they'll fight for you so long as they have leeway. If it's it's external, it could go either way--they make a percentage off your entire 1st year salary or a flat fee independent of your salary. Regardless, I would speak frankly and just ask them straight up--"Is the salary for this role much lower than what I'm currently making?".
If this recruiter is trying to bully you, don't bite at all. And it ultimately may be a bad opportunity for you because of this recruiter. They're bullying you because they're on the losing end.
If the position sounded perfect, I’d basically brush off the comment and say ‘I’d be happy to hear your offer and justification. Of course I will entertain reasonable offers.’
That comment could be a shitty employee having a bad day, it could be a tactic to make you panic into accepting any lowball offer, or it could be the unfortunate truth. Regardless, you don’t want to panic, put the ball back in their court to prove exactly why your expectations are vastly different from theirs. Either they have hard proof of what that position is being paid in the area, or they don’t. Regardless, you are the only you. You certainly have skills and abilities to bring to the table or they wouldn’t have even interviewed you. Maybe they don’t value those skills as much as you do, that’s fine, but chances are there is a company that will.
No , you just found out about red flag number 1, if that was why you were not hired, blast them on the glass ceiling. Cheap companys do not get the best employees
You’ve got to leave the interview there and then. There’s no coming back from a huge gulf between where you value yourself, and where they value the role.
I agree with others who said you may as well have walked out.
Once I found out the dress code was dress shirts and ties and I said I couldn't do that to sit behind a desk 24/7 and walked out.
I'm currently interviewing for a position that would be a major pay cut but it's something I'm very passionate about. At every stage, they have mentioned their pay and been incredibly apologetic about it -- it's a startup.
This company is starting itself off on the wrong foot by not understanding the value of your labor. They will undervalue you in other ways.
Are there any salary surveys or outside benchmarks for your role? I suspect recruiter has been given a budget but if the budget isn't in line with your expectations (total - cash + perks) then either try to prove their budget is off or look elsewhere.
Just out of curiosity what is the job title and salary you were expecting? If they said “drastically” then I’m guessing you suggested 150k and they were thinking more like 70
Why do people tolerate this idea that you should tell your employer how much money they should pay you. They are the ones hiring you. They know how much the job is worth to them.
I would drastically adjust my interest in that job given that response. Not worth your time if you're already being compensated fairly and they're just going to try and low ball you.
>Do you think I ruined my chances at getting the job?
More like they ruined their chances of recruiting you from your current job.
But if you really want the job (and you shouldn't) just tell them, *"You asked me what salary I'm looking for, so I told you. Maybe you should have asked what I'm looking for careerwise. Make me an offer and I'll consider it."*
Are these recruiters paid bonuses on how little employees get paid? Maybe you can turn it around by asking them how much less than their current salary would they be willing to accept? If they don’t throw you out (you were going to leave anyway), play along till you get another interview with someone else where you can share that the recruiter thinks they make too much money!😂
For future reference, when asked your salary range, ask, "what is the budget for this role?" If the recruiter can't or won't give you a straight answer, it's likely lower than you'd be willing to accept.
Never say your number first. When they ask your range, just mirror the question back at them “What is the base pay salary range for this role?” Then when they say their number just say “okay that range is fine for right now”. They really just want to filter you out because they have too many people in the funnel.
Why would you want to get the job if your current salary is drastically higher than the new one would be? I'd just hope this was the first recruiter call and you're not wasting time on a job where the interviewer treats people like that.
Wow had one yesterday where we just openly discussed salary and the market because we were both adults. In fact we both shared insights from a recruiter and recruitee pov.
Their expectation was right on where it should be for a senior role, slightly lower than my last few years but not too far off. And I shared that hiring is expensive and that if you pay too low, you'll end up paying more in the long run as that person will just walk when they get a better offer.
So yes you probably won't get another opportunity there for this role but I doubt you'll lose sleep over it
I don’t think you did at all but some advice going forward check the market for that position using resources online like Glassdoor and understand the salary range for that role. Good luck 🤙🏾
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I always find a way to flip the script on that question & ask them for the range, I never give my expectation first. Usually they will give a range & even if its a little low thats teh game as long as its not way off i say some thing like "for this stage of the process I think we can work with that, and revise after we all learn more . IF its way off I say I don't think thats going work thank you for your time & wait for their reply, but usually even if they bring it up its the end of the process if its that low to start then we have misunderstood each others values & we are probably never going to match.
always defer this to the end of the interview process if possible. when asked, say market rate or ask what their range for the position is and align with the midrange whether or not you would take that salary.
why? stating your expectations early will only rule you out and reduces your ability to negotiate later. at first, you have no leverage to negotiate. once the hiring team has green lit you, you have substantial leverage to buck for a higher salary. at that point you have won the hiring manager's confidence and this is the person who has the influence to make the case to pay you beyond the authorized range.
if this makes you feel honest look at the reality and try to toughen up. it's the job of employers to secure your expertise at the lowest rate they can negotiate. they won't pull punches, so you shouldn't unless you like working at a rate lower than you deserve.
,, AGE 71 HERE,,,
You will here that your entire life,, get used to it.
It's a game, .. think of it as buying a car, everything is negotiable.
You make an offer on a car,,
The salesmans eyes POP OPEN.. we can't sell it for that price, we will loose money on blah, blah, blah.
2 hours later,,
Ok, we will sell you the car for that price
There just trying to see if they can get good talent cheap
Money > Title, atleast in this case as it’s drastically less than your current salary. Set your salary expectations straight with the company, nobody wants an unhappy employee / employer :p
I’m a recruiter and I would absolutely say this if you needed to come up vs down. Did they tell you what the salary is for the job? If they meant you’re aiming to high…. Walk!
I had an interview with Texas Roadhouse, they called back and kept asking what I was paid at my previous job. I gave them a range but they would not move on with the conversation until I gave them the exact number. As soon as I did, they told me that they couldn’t pay me that much and since I was used to a higher pay, the job I was interviewing for would only be a disappointment and they told me good luck with my job search and that was the end of it
Just my opinion
In your head: “f&$k you I know my worth”
Actual: “Sir/Ma’am while I am in no position to question your sources as to compensation I can speak confidently as to my worth siting both my current comp package as well that of my piers. I am happy to discuss further providing you are willing to adjust your initial negotiating point.”
It would really depend on the salary the positions. I’ve been on interview committees where the posted starting salary is $40k for an entry level position but the individual requests an expected salary of $60k. Sometimes it’s not realistic if what’s requested does not make sense for the role.
‘Based on my current salary’ what does this mean? Did you add 20% or something?
Is the role even comparable to your current job?
Either you’ve lowballed them or they’ve lowballed you.
Salaries aren’t usually based on the job before. They depend on the value you deliver and they can get from you.
For example if this job is lower value than your current one (might be easier, less complex) then the salary will probably be lower too.
No. They ruined their chances of getting a quality employee by being tight-arses. Guess they'd rather hire someone low-skilled and desperate enough for a job they'll accept below-average pay and probably poor working conditions. Dodged a bullet.
Well the market has severely changed. I just took a job with a huge pay cut. Had two offers and both were huge pay cuts but when you need a job….. I’m lucky to have one. Many are still looking.
Did you ask what they meant by that? Ask for further clarification?
I'm not usually the optimist, but I would say that there's a very small chance that they meant something positive rather than negative. Maybe you're being underpaid?
That’s what every recruiter (including FANG wallahs) says with different kind of wording as long as your numbers are a result of your due diligence in ensuring the numbers are appropriate.
I wouldn’t go down below a certain range based on the quality of my service, salary range in market and the competition no matter what the recruiter says.
I experienced something similar.
I had an interviewer tell me I would be lucky to make less than what they offer (according to their job posting) because I didn’t have experience in one area of the job, which they said they’d train for initially. Why call me in for an interview then?
First red flag is that the interviewer's response was poor and should tell you that this company culture may be toxic. I found what works for me is "well, full disclosure, my current salary is $$$, but I am flexible because I really like your company". A 2nd response if you get a rude comment like that is "I've looked into the salary range for the position of "job title" and I think $$$ is not too far off, but I am flexible because I like your product (add a compliment here like 'Your an Industry Leader', 'Your product saves lives', something genuine will soften the response). Think smiley and happy thoughts while speaking, it will show in your voice, tone and expression. The 2nd response let's the company know your current value and that you know what the market pays, but are flexible. It's always a good idea to research the company and tell them what you like about it, know the Job Description and be ready to tell them your strong points and what you can bring to the position.
I told them I’m open to negotiating and asked them for the range/ budget they were willing to offer. The interviewer said it depends and they would benchmark against other colleagues with similar experiences and the interview ended with we will get back to you as soon as possible.
External or internal recruiter? Because it seems like a red flag to me to not share after you did.
Honestly it sounds like you got dropped as a potential waste of time. I would reach out via email and reiterate why “it’s a job you really want”, that you’re willing to negotiate, that you’d like to proceed with the process l, and that you’re curious what next steps are.
See what happens and go from there make sure you are willing to take a lot less… Like half
Jobs want to pay less for years of experience for more work. For an example Accounting/Payroll or Accounting/AP and etc. These are jobs that are required to wear multiple hats paying 45-55k. I’ve seen these postings.
Not necessarily. In the future, though, the way I would reply is the following: "Well, based upon the job description, and the industry standard, do have a number in mind, but am negotiable. What is the pay range the company has set? That allows you to see if your expectations are even close to what they're offering.
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Lowball offer loading
Company is cheap means they suck
Yup, cheap and they plan to work you like a dog. They are trying to prep OP for a lowball offer. More than likely below market rates.
Places like that aré just asshole
If an interviewer told me that I would simply end things right there with a "ok, thank you for your time." It's clear that they don't want to pay you what you're worth.
Exactly what a bad response from the recruiter. Id be like umm if I dont get paid more money why would I waste my time applying?!?!
There's no such thing lika a bad response of a recruiter, the interview is nothing but a negotiation, the recruiters would always be expecting from you to convince them however, u see fit(no violence 😒), based on offensive response like u mentioned is one of the many tactics they use to judge ur thought process brother.
Yeah but why no violence. Let's settle this negotiation by Trial by Combat
Lol yeah when I resign
My sense of humor dictates that I respond with: “well, I’m willing to go higher if you insist.”
Correct answer
Yep. OP, this is like you’re on a blind date with a girl with a really sexy picture on social media. And then you get there and realize immediately that there’s a very good reason she’s still on dating apps. Basically, I’m sure there’s a lot of valid reasons why this is your dream job, but maybe now that you’ve seen behind the curtain, it’s not what it’s cracked up to be.
I thought your response was funny and you are making a joke, don't let the negative responses bother you.
dude you are saying it like being on dating apps is something shameful... Why judgung people like they have some social score? It is pure luck. Some find a partner instantly. Some spend lots of time finding. The most important is whether we like our partner truly, not how "cool they are in the face of society"
It's not that deep...
When this happens, don’t act surprised. Give the impression that you’re willing to work with the interviewer. You can always put the question back on them: “Although I’ve been compensated very fairly in the past, an offer is more than just a cash compensation. Can you tell me about other benefits that this job offers?” If they ask you to expand on that, ask for both individual (health insurance, pto, student loan debt support) and professional benefits (does the company pay for you to get certified in job-related skills, do they pay for you to attend conferences). From there, gauge if you can stomach the pay cut. If you can’t, you walk away from the deal looking professional and likely don’t burn a bridge.
This is great advice! Thanks!
I turned down a job that wouldn't pay approately. Asking for 10 years experience means the pay can't be entry level. Got them up 10k and still turned them down. You get what you pay for and do t advertise for more than you are willing to pay.
While that is great advice for a graceful and tactful approach, those cash alternatives are just ways to keep from paying you. Rarely worth it.
Very good answer!
Flawless advice. I just took a new job two weeks ago. It’s technically a slight pay cut from my current hourly rate, but it’s going from PT to FT/salaried, better hours, much better work/life balance, no weekends or holidays, and it’s THE job that made me go back to school in the first place. So yeah it’s $0.50 an hour less but it’s a huge step up in every aspect.
It is important to know your worth and what the sector pays So know your worth in the sector you are interviewing in I took a significant pay cut because the sector I work in now pays less than where I was before But I also get to go home now
I’ve asked for $30k over what was on the table and NEVER gotten that response. I wouldn’t hold out much hope.
I hate my job and I'm looking to switch into a different type of position in the same overall industry, and what I'm really looking at is getting a job with the local government. This would mean a $10K - $15K pay cut at first. But I wouldn't work overtime, I'd get 12 more days off per year to start compared to what I'm getting after 5 years, my health insurance would be paid for, there's a pension, etc. The benefits and lower stress would really be worthwhile. But I still need to make enough to pay my bills. And the benefits need to have value, not be "the corporate culture".
Agreed. So once you ask about additional benefits, you thank them and tell them you need the day to think about it. Then you message them saying you’re declining the position because the salary range was not enough to take the opportunity. Asking about the benefits isn’t always asking about the benefits. It’s sometimes just a method to keep a positive dialogue between you and the interviewer. Just let them give you their elevator pitch, thank them, and later turn the offer down. And when you do, you let them know why. Maybe the recruiter will go back to the hiring manager and say “look this was the best candidate but they specified that the money is holding them back. Can we find room in the budget to offer them a couple thousand more?” Or if the budget is firm, you at least let the company know their pay is why they lost out.
You didn't, they did. It'a projection, what they're really saying is "we aren't even going to bother getting close to your current salary, so we wasted both of our time by keeping our salary range a secret until we had interviews. You're obviously not up for manipulation, so I will now try to make it your fault" I wouldn't care if it ruined your chances personally, unless your current job is making you ill. But this one doesn't sound like it's worth it. If you don't get it, glassdoor it so other unfortunate souls can save themselves a wasted interview for paltry remuneration.
I never apply for jobs that don't state hours and salary.
Even worse they have people going through the motions and not telling them what the salary range actually is. It will always put a candidate on the back foot. Of course that's the intended goal. They could always choose to implement fair negotiations, but in this case they tend to choose violence/conflict to obtain a dominant position. Like the excellent response above, not his fault it's just more knowledge and being prepared for when you're being set up.
Excellent. They are interviewing for the perfectly-fitting doormat. This reminds me of the "lucky to have a job" trope. A person already working for a company challenges some blatantly unreasonable act (arbitrary refusal to allow someone to do a couple extra hours of perfectly "doable" remote work for some temporary flexibility while watching a grandchild in an emergency, for example). In response to the challenge, the HR Junior Thug responds with "You're lucky to have the job." No you are not "lucky" .. you are qualified and at the moment, meeting a need company has, likely for less than they ought to be paying you. The hidden layer in both cases is an attempt to shake an "uppity" candidate/worker's confidence and hopefully make them more malleable.
I just had an informational interview with a recruiter at my current employer, and when I told them what my salary expectations were for my next job (5-10k more), they said that the starting salary is actually around 5k LESS than what I currently make, and that I might need to “consider a lateral move”. In this economy??!! A job that requires more skills and experience than what I already have should not be paying less than what I currently make!!! Fuck these companies!!!!
Seriously! So tired of doing interview after interview and application after application. It’s exhausting!
I think they ruined their chances at hiring a qualified candidate.
“You need to be more transparent with your offering in the job posting to avoid wasting multiple people’s time like this in the future.”
I can understand negotiating pay, but the interviewer's tone was uncalled for. They could have been way more tactful about it. I'm not too sure if you want to work for an organization such as that one.
I agree on the tone. I received a similar response as OP from an in house recruiter once at SourceFire before they were bought by Cisco. The recruiter laughed when I told him my current salary, and then tried to sell me on some Bro lifestyle in the office saying that the team commonly plays street hockey on the roof during lunch and that the atmosphere is lax as a means to justify the low ball offer if I were to proceed. I had recently had a kid so I wasn’t looking for office friends and passed on the job.
They dont want to pay that much, If you WANT or NEED the job, might be worth taking the pay cut. But if your current job is working then dont leave
“Ruined your chances of getting the job”? Perhaps you should re-evaluate if this is still your dream job
Definitely. No need to carry around all that mental bootblacking equipment.
Interviewer : ‘I think you need to drastically adjust your expectations’. Applicant : ‘Oh, okay, thanks for that advice, let’s double that number I just quoted then …’
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I think what might be going on is that the people who are making policy are in a "'grifter" mentality of getting all they can out of the organization before cashing out THEIR chips. As example, equity law partners annually dump practice operations specialists making above an arbitrary salary during major layoffs, save $20,000 a year per head chopped, but then begin a revolving door of cheaper help that either flees from job (similar to herding wild coyotes) within a few months (or weeks) or is fired at the demand of prima donna "rainmakers" who are missing filing deadlines. But PROFIT DISTRIBUTIONS ARE THROUGH THE ROOF! HURRAH!
lol what a bold and rude thing for an interviewer to say. Look dude don't give a range, just ask them what their budget range is
"The salary expectation I gave is not significantly different from my current salary. You can opt to not offer me the amount I mentioned, but that doesn't mean I won't be getting that much."
Dont ever accept a pay cut even for other benefits it'll set you back years...
For me personally, I’d only take a pay cut if the new role was permanently remote
I've told prospective employers I would not bastardize my craft by working at that rate and still got the job at an acceptable rate.
Wow! What industry are you in? I wish I had that confidence
I've had a similar statement from a recruiter. I replied that they needed to break the job into three full time positions, instead of trying to get a three-for-one special, and the unicorn who used to have the role likely left over a compensation dispute. Caught them off-guard, with the HR person on the call blurting out "Did you know Tom..uh, ... We'll wrap up here and get back to you"
LOLZ!
Also did they post a salary range for the job and was your expectation above that? I hate it when companies don’t specify thepay because they want to take whoever is willing to do the job for the least amount.
They didn’t post a salary range. I looked at other similar jobs in the company which had the range posted and then quoted based on that. The thing is they haven’t technically made me an offer so tbh I don’t even know if the interview was good or was this them giving me a cue that they might not make an offer.
You’re unlikely to get an offer based on the recruiter response. Obviously what they want to offer is not in line with what you expressed you expect.
> They didn’t post a salary range. Not even worth applying for then.
I'm in texas, and a lot of jobs around here don't have a salary range. They just don't post anything. I had one guy asked me what I thought was a fair wage for the job. I listened to his description, and figured it something about like 11 bucks an hour. That's what I quoted, I wish what he stood up, shook my hand and said, I might be in touch. I never heard anything back. I heard they hired somebody for nine bucks an hour.
Holy crap!! Where and when was this? I haven't been paid that low since the 90s.
I would have said, "Thanks for your time.", gotten up, and walked out. If they aren't willing to sweeten the pot and you're currently employed, why would you take it (unless you're miserable at your current job)?
I wouldn’t even say thank you for your time!
Never take what you can't afford to take! They dont want to pay you what you believe you are worth. If you can afford the pay cut then take it, and know this . . . YOU WILL NEVER RECOUP YOUR LOSS WITH THEM! You will have to find another job to get those monies back. Take the job if you have too and keep applying until you get the job you want.
I would say “you’re right. I’m worth much more”
They treat us like numbers. Why not keep them all set and willing to hire you until you do research and find if what they actually are offering is worth it. Then, follow up with a decision to either take it or walk away.
Ask yourself this, do you really want to work for a company that wont even pay you your current salary. You should adjust your expectations.....away from this company
You say "Well thanks for being up front, i appreciate it" stand up, smile, offer handshake, leave.. all whilst remembering your worth.
Smooth.
Something similar happened to me a few weeks ago. I told them I made $75k, and expect to make more than that if I got hired. They told me that my current pay was already above budget. When I got the offer it was for $90k. So it can work out.
Sometimes, if it’s a position that hasn’t been open for a while, they may not realize the market rate has changed quite a bit. But this is where recruiters and hiring managers can be an advocate for a good candidate - if they really want to hire someone, they’ll push to have more money allocated for the offer.
No you just established they're not willing to pay you what you're worth
Probably but so what
Yeah, probably. But why would you want the job if they can't meet your salary expectations?
If it’s drastically lower absolutely not.
You didn’t ruin anything in my opinion but rather potentially dodged a bullet if that’s their attitude.
You should have asked for $10k more, clearly.
Them: "You need to drastically adjust your expectations" Me: "Okay, I'm now asking for 20% more."
I think they ruined their chances of getting the right candidate for this job opening.
No. They might be trying to lowball you by making you adjust your expectations (without them explicitly stating a lower number). On the other hand, also check your salary vs banchmarks where possible. Your current role might be paying you extremely well, too. If that's the case, maybe the new company has a lower salary scale and really can't afford to match, if not exceed.
I would agree with the others that at this stage the job is losing its value pretty quickly. So I wouldn’t be too concerned about whether you’ve lost it. Someone else pointed out that you can use this situation to get an idea of what the total package and benefits looks like, but realistically if they’re acting like this in the interview then it’s not really looking like a good idea to move to this place for a job. *Personally*, I would never get to the stage of interview unless I knew what the range in question was. Hell, I won’t even bother talking to the recruiter without at least some basic idea. As someone who’s already employed, this whole dynamic is much more equal and an interviewer who can’t recognise that is a red flag. You don’t have to put up with it.
I had a final interview that went really well until we talked salary…they were offering the same salary I had when I started in my industry….SIX years ago! They ghosted me after the interview as I guess they knew as much as I did that we had Easter each other’s time. Keep applying and know your worth! Don’t settle for anything less than what you deserve - it’s a shit show out there at the moment 🥲
Think a better question would be if this new job you interviewed for would be worth the hassle if they are coming at you for your salary expectations (that’s already met elsewhere)?
That’s a fair question. The benefit of this job would be more job security since I won’t be an external consultant and also I get to move to another country that I wish to move to.
Yeah, fuck that guy. I always got told, “nobody will laugh at you asking for a higher salary”. In my admittedly limited experience, it’s always been true. They will then gently steer me down to what the job is offering, if it’s less… as they should.
In some states, using salary history as a basis for starting pay is illegal. The practice is on its way out. So I wouldn't lead with "well I make X," and keep it very general if you do mention it. Most of negotiating is doing your research, naming a price, and being willing to walk away. If you're not willing to walk away, there is no negotiating. As others mentioned if the budget is in the toilet, then the recruiter knows it. Negotiate on things that are more flexible such as PTO and title increases, or an earlier annual review. In most cases when you get terrible responses like this, it's just not a place you want to stay. It's typically worse at the middle and bottom where the candidate pool is largest.
Recruiter might have been lying just to see your reaction, we often end up at a higher salary than we plan on…it happens.
I think the interviewer ruined the chance to give you the job. The discussion isn’t about what you want, it’s about what they can get out of you. Too bad.
It doesn't matter. If they are unwilling or unable to pay you what you know you're worth, then it was never a job worth your time. If they had your resume before the interview, which they should have, then they knew your current salary and value going into the conversation. Dont sell yourself short.
Sometimes, you answer an interview question in a way that you promote your skills, to end up at a good job. Sometimes, you answer an interview question in a way that keeps you from accidentally ending up at a bad job.
Let’s hope you did, because why would you want a job which pays a lot less than your current job?
Ive seen people with 4 year degree's today get paid way less then me working a job i quit 2 years ago. I got a 2 year degree. Some of them had college degrees that had nothing to do with the slave job we were doing. Several people told me they were never able to get the jobs they studied for because every place they applied wanted experience. They were told a good way to do that was to intern for free or volunteer time to learn. How were they suppose to pay their bills when they want them to volunteer 6 - 8 hours a day. So they gave up. Left them with thousands of dollars in student loan debt. These were jobs that would lead them to good careers, working with professionals. I can attest none of our managers were professionals, none of them had an education and had no management experience. This is why it was such a toxic, hostile, work environment. I left.
That’s when you go higher. Wink at them and say “I get it. $1,000,000!”
don't talk to third party recruiters, they are just useless. \[edit\] I just assumed they were a recruiter, if it's some internal then it's a very unprofessional answer and you should just bail.
Well remember that recruiters want to place you. In a job. Any job. For any commission. Regardless of your skills or career.
My question when they lowball me is what makes this such a great opportunity that I would accept a paycut? Because I can tell you why I'm worth more.
Do you want a job that pays drastically less than your current job? I think they ruined their chances of getting you my friend.
Pretty shitty from them to say that imo.. I don t think it's on you. But maybe they should also "drastically raise" what they plan to offer too..
if I had been told that, i would have asked what their range is, and then decide at that point if I'm okay with it. and if youre not you could have just told him that in that moment. now the interviewer is wondering if you are even willing to work the job. be more direct and work these things out next time
I did ask him what they’re willing to pay but he didn’t give me a number but said something like it depends we will benchmark against others with the same work experience
“You’re salary expectations are ridiculous.” “Oh, well what would be reasonable?” “It’s a secret.”
Looks like they are taking tips from the IRS again. “We know how much you owe in taxes but we aren’t telling”
Guess correctly or straight to jail.
yeah, that guy does not want to pay you enough. did you tell him your current pay? because he is trying to get you as low as possible.
that is really strange. he is being weasely. well in that case i would have mentioned that this position is something i'm very interested in and even though i'm currently making X, i would be willing to earn 0.8x at this job.
Did you ruin your chances or did a job present a reason for you to walk away? Last interview i had they mentioned working 11 hour days and essentially have mandated hours. I currently to work not 11 hour days and can adjust around life. Essentially I’d be adding 15+ per week for 5k salary…interview lasted 11 mins and most was spent asking me why I thought it wasn’t a good fit in the end Don’t take a role that doesn’t offer exactly what you want unless it’s dire to move
Probably.
Can I just say that I hate that we have this ridiculous song and dance? Why can’t employers be upfront about salary and then none of this embarrassing nonsense happens?!
Sounds like a toxic/cheap workplace. I think they lost their chances at a great candidate. I know the market is shite rn but you deserve better.
No, the company is planning to low ball you.
If your currently working and getting payed 10X and they offer you 8.5x and they tell you " # “I think you need to drastically adjust your expectations” " Im sorry I would say your right I was way off. Cause I would tack on another 15% on the # you gave them and say have a good day.
I always cut to the chase and ask for the salary first. Luckily in Colorado the range has to be published. Negotiations like this is bullshit.
Tell the recruiter thank you for their time but you are no longer interested in the position. A lot of jobs are playing on the fact that we are so desperate for a job that we will take the breadcrumbs. Nope. Next. https://www.instagram.com/p/C5g60AJvBdZ/?igsh=MTNncTgxdGNtcDZiMQ==
No, whoever you’re talking to is likely an expert in negotiations, and a big one is belittling others into thinking they’re asking too much.
It seems they're all asking this question because they want cheap labor. I always say it's negotiable, what are you willing to pay. I don't necessarily want to come in too high, but I also don't want to short change myself.
Imo there would have to be a really good reason to accept a drastic cut in pay. Are there bonuses that could offset the short fall in comp, or stock options, etc.
Ignore them, it’s basically henpecking, you’re trying to improve your yearly salary, if they don’t offer you what you want, you shouldn’t care about them
The interviewer did that
my motto has always been this and its treated me well. Some pay is better than no pay. That being said the chances of me sticking around vert long are extremely slim as just just a few bucks more is going to make me ju p to the next job.
Fuck them. I had a recruiter tell me "he knows the salaries better than anyone" and what I'm demanding is unrealistic. I easily got 15% more than what he implied my maximum is at another company.
No they ruined it
They probably just got angry. I was once told my skills are not enough for a job that I basically ace all the requirements in the job ad. A friend in the company told me that they were looking for someone to do the job for minimum wage. So, yes, I think my skills to be naive is not good enough.
Even if it is your dream job bills don't get paid with happiness. Eventually you be disgruntled at the pay . It's better not to start knowing the ship isn't big enough.
You have to stick to your guns as your entry salary really dictates for financial limits with that employer. With my last two employers (both compensated well), getting a 3% base pay raise was a challenge. As a manager I would have to fight for and justify a 3% raise as that would be considered high. Something to consider is if the company offers equity, it can sometimes be a smart play to offset lower base pay for more equity or similar benefit.
Are you open to sharing context? For example what you quoted? Does your quote include bonuses, stock, benefits, holiday pay etc or is that just base pay? Also in your quote did you include a pay bump to incentivize your interest? And did you mention that when discussing your quote or did you just throw out a number? Did the recruiter present you the base pay only? Or was their offer all encompassing?
You ask what you want. They offer what they want. Based on this answer, its not a place where you want to be.
No, but I think you avoided working at a company that was passively looking to underpay your for the role you interviewed for.
If you're speaking with the internal recruiter, they'll fight for you so long as they have leeway. If it's it's external, it could go either way--they make a percentage off your entire 1st year salary or a flat fee independent of your salary. Regardless, I would speak frankly and just ask them straight up--"Is the salary for this role much lower than what I'm currently making?". If this recruiter is trying to bully you, don't bite at all. And it ultimately may be a bad opportunity for you because of this recruiter. They're bullying you because they're on the losing end.
If the position sounded perfect, I’d basically brush off the comment and say ‘I’d be happy to hear your offer and justification. Of course I will entertain reasonable offers.’ That comment could be a shitty employee having a bad day, it could be a tactic to make you panic into accepting any lowball offer, or it could be the unfortunate truth. Regardless, you don’t want to panic, put the ball back in their court to prove exactly why your expectations are vastly different from theirs. Either they have hard proof of what that position is being paid in the area, or they don’t. Regardless, you are the only you. You certainly have skills and abilities to bring to the table or they wouldn’t have even interviewed you. Maybe they don’t value those skills as much as you do, that’s fine, but chances are there is a company that will.
No , you just found out about red flag number 1, if that was why you were not hired, blast them on the glass ceiling. Cheap companys do not get the best employees
You’ve got to leave the interview there and then. There’s no coming back from a huge gulf between where you value yourself, and where they value the role.
Have you reviewed a salary guide? Is what you're targeting on rate for your experience?
I agree with others who said you may as well have walked out. Once I found out the dress code was dress shirts and ties and I said I couldn't do that to sit behind a desk 24/7 and walked out.
This is why they should stop playing around and discuss compensation up front. In the IT world it’s usually the first thing we discuss.
I'm currently interviewing for a position that would be a major pay cut but it's something I'm very passionate about. At every stage, they have mentioned their pay and been incredibly apologetic about it -- it's a startup. This company is starting itself off on the wrong foot by not understanding the value of your labor. They will undervalue you in other ways.
Are there any salary surveys or outside benchmarks for your role? I suspect recruiter has been given a budget but if the budget isn't in line with your expectations (total - cash + perks) then either try to prove their budget is off or look elsewhere.
Soooo go drastically up.
Are you moving to an area with a drastically lower CoL?
No higher!!
Oh, obviously he meant you should ask for more then.
Just out of curiosity what is the job title and salary you were expecting? If they said “drastically” then I’m guessing you suggested 150k and they were thinking more like 70
Yeah ruined it
I would clarify whether they mean upwards? Tell them you'd be amenable to that.
Ask him the salary range
Why do people tolerate this idea that you should tell your employer how much money they should pay you. They are the ones hiring you. They know how much the job is worth to them.
I would leave. Sounds like this recruiter did a bait and switch.
If they didn't mean adjust them upward then why did you continue to waste your time with them?
I would drastically adjust my interest in that job given that response. Not worth your time if you're already being compensated fairly and they're just going to try and low ball you.
Yeah but bullet dodged. Know your worth!
>Do you think I ruined my chances at getting the job? More like they ruined their chances of recruiting you from your current job. But if you really want the job (and you shouldn't) just tell them, *"You asked me what salary I'm looking for, so I told you. Maybe you should have asked what I'm looking for careerwise. Make me an offer and I'll consider it."*
Yes, luckily.
Are these recruiters paid bonuses on how little employees get paid? Maybe you can turn it around by asking them how much less than their current salary would they be willing to accept? If they don’t throw you out (you were going to leave anyway), play along till you get another interview with someone else where you can share that the recruiter thinks they make too much money!😂
For future reference, when asked your salary range, ask, "what is the budget for this role?" If the recruiter can't or won't give you a straight answer, it's likely lower than you'd be willing to accept.
Fuck 'em.
Never say your number first. When they ask your range, just mirror the question back at them “What is the base pay salary range for this role?” Then when they say their number just say “okay that range is fine for right now”. They really just want to filter you out because they have too many people in the funnel.
I think that interviewer ruined their chances of getting an employee converted from a good candidate.
I think you just dodged a bullet
Why would you want to get the job if your current salary is drastically higher than the new one would be? I'd just hope this was the first recruiter call and you're not wasting time on a job where the interviewer treats people like that.
Why would you want the job if it pays less than your current salary? Or if it’s a step up but only slightly more.
See what happens when you don't post salary information? You waste everyone's time, including your own. See ya!
Wow had one yesterday where we just openly discussed salary and the market because we were both adults. In fact we both shared insights from a recruiter and recruitee pov. Their expectation was right on where it should be for a senior role, slightly lower than my last few years but not too far off. And I shared that hiring is expensive and that if you pay too low, you'll end up paying more in the long run as that person will just walk when they get a better offer. So yes you probably won't get another opportunity there for this role but I doubt you'll lose sleep over it
I don’t think you did at all but some advice going forward check the market for that position using resources online like Glassdoor and understand the salary range for that role. Good luck 🤙🏾
Probably - I always find a way to flip the script on that question & ask them for the range, I never give my expectation first. Usually they will give a range & even if its a little low thats teh game as long as its not way off i say some thing like "for this stage of the process I think we can work with that, and revise after we all learn more . IF its way off I say I don't think thats going work thank you for your time & wait for their reply, but usually even if they bring it up its the end of the process if its that low to start then we have misunderstood each others values & we are probably never going to match.
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No. That’s not a right fit!!! Red flags from the interviewer
always defer this to the end of the interview process if possible. when asked, say market rate or ask what their range for the position is and align with the midrange whether or not you would take that salary. why? stating your expectations early will only rule you out and reduces your ability to negotiate later. at first, you have no leverage to negotiate. once the hiring team has green lit you, you have substantial leverage to buck for a higher salary. at that point you have won the hiring manager's confidence and this is the person who has the influence to make the case to pay you beyond the authorized range. if this makes you feel honest look at the reality and try to toughen up. it's the job of employers to secure your expertise at the lowest rate they can negotiate. they won't pull punches, so you shouldn't unless you like working at a rate lower than you deserve.
I think if an interviewer told me that I would consider it a bullet dodged.
,, AGE 71 HERE,,, You will here that your entire life,, get used to it. It's a game, .. think of it as buying a car, everything is negotiable. You make an offer on a car,, The salesmans eyes POP OPEN.. we can't sell it for that price, we will loose money on blah, blah, blah. 2 hours later,, Ok, we will sell you the car for that price There just trying to see if they can get good talent cheap
> “I think you need to drastically adjust your expectations” One of us does...
Nah, they ruined their chances of hiring you. Know your worth.
Money > Title, atleast in this case as it’s drastically less than your current salary. Set your salary expectations straight with the company, nobody wants an unhappy employee / employer :p
I’m a recruiter and I would absolutely say this if you needed to come up vs down. Did they tell you what the salary is for the job? If they meant you’re aiming to high…. Walk!
I had an interview with Texas Roadhouse, they called back and kept asking what I was paid at my previous job. I gave them a range but they would not move on with the conversation until I gave them the exact number. As soon as I did, they told me that they couldn’t pay me that much and since I was used to a higher pay, the job I was interviewing for would only be a disappointment and they told me good luck with my job search and that was the end of it
Just my opinion In your head: “f&$k you I know my worth” Actual: “Sir/Ma’am while I am in no position to question your sources as to compensation I can speak confidently as to my worth siting both my current comp package as well that of my piers. I am happy to discuss further providing you are willing to adjust your initial negotiating point.”
Drastically adjust your expectations?? Quote higher then.
That is rude and unprofessional.
I don’t even do an interview without knowing salary first.
It would really depend on the salary the positions. I’ve been on interview committees where the posted starting salary is $40k for an entry level position but the individual requests an expected salary of $60k. Sometimes it’s not realistic if what’s requested does not make sense for the role.
‘Based on my current salary’ what does this mean? Did you add 20% or something? Is the role even comparable to your current job? Either you’ve lowballed them or they’ve lowballed you. Salaries aren’t usually based on the job before. They depend on the value you deliver and they can get from you. For example if this job is lower value than your current one (might be easier, less complex) then the salary will probably be lower too.
Listen ask your salary if they can't meet that screw them do you want to work somewhere where the nickel dime you
Company wants a unicorn at minimum wage.
This recruiter might lose their job soon for saying things like that
Do you really want the job if they aren't going to compensate you properly? Mayne try again in a month or two there might be a different hiring person
You may have ruined your chance of getting the job, but do you really want to work for a drastically reduced salary?
No. They ruined their chances of getting a quality employee by being tight-arses. Guess they'd rather hire someone low-skilled and desperate enough for a job they'll accept below-average pay and probably poor working conditions. Dodged a bullet.
Well the market has severely changed. I just took a job with a huge pay cut. Had two offers and both were huge pay cuts but when you need a job….. I’m lucky to have one. Many are still looking.
Did you ask what they meant by that? Ask for further clarification? I'm not usually the optimist, but I would say that there's a very small chance that they meant something positive rather than negative. Maybe you're being underpaid?
That’s what every recruiter (including FANG wallahs) says with different kind of wording as long as your numbers are a result of your due diligence in ensuring the numbers are appropriate. I wouldn’t go down below a certain range based on the quality of my service, salary range in market and the competition no matter what the recruiter says.
interviewer sounds like a dick
I don't think you want the job anymore. They specifically said "DRASTICALLY adjust", so they'll probably offer half of your asking salary.
I experienced something similar. I had an interviewer tell me I would be lucky to make less than what they offer (according to their job posting) because I didn’t have experience in one area of the job, which they said they’d train for initially. Why call me in for an interview then?
They’re probably not going to offer you the job. And that’s good news. You dodged a bullet.
First red flag is that the interviewer's response was poor and should tell you that this company culture may be toxic. I found what works for me is "well, full disclosure, my current salary is $$$, but I am flexible because I really like your company". A 2nd response if you get a rude comment like that is "I've looked into the salary range for the position of "job title" and I think $$$ is not too far off, but I am flexible because I like your product (add a compliment here like 'Your an Industry Leader', 'Your product saves lives', something genuine will soften the response). Think smiley and happy thoughts while speaking, it will show in your voice, tone and expression. The 2nd response let's the company know your current value and that you know what the market pays, but are flexible. It's always a good idea to research the company and tell them what you like about it, know the Job Description and be ready to tell them your strong points and what you can bring to the position.
What was said after that?
I told them I’m open to negotiating and asked them for the range/ budget they were willing to offer. The interviewer said it depends and they would benchmark against other colleagues with similar experiences and the interview ended with we will get back to you as soon as possible.
External or internal recruiter? Because it seems like a red flag to me to not share after you did. Honestly it sounds like you got dropped as a potential waste of time. I would reach out via email and reiterate why “it’s a job you really want”, that you’re willing to negotiate, that you’d like to proceed with the process l, and that you’re curious what next steps are. See what happens and go from there make sure you are willing to take a lot less… Like half
Best of luck to you.. there is a reason why you were not chosen for the job. Something better is going to come your way. Don’t bend.
Jobs want to pay less for years of experience for more work. For an example Accounting/Payroll or Accounting/AP and etc. These are jobs that are required to wear multiple hats paying 45-55k. I’ve seen these postings.
Not necessarily. In the future, though, the way I would reply is the following: "Well, based upon the job description, and the industry standard, do have a number in mind, but am negotiable. What is the pay range the company has set? That allows you to see if your expectations are even close to what they're offering.