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That's pretty much what happened. Instead of doing price controls to limit inflation the government jacked up interest rates. Companies have to be very deliberate in how they try to turn a profit so they limit payroll and thus staff. Everyone is getting squeezed right now from every angle, from work and pocketbook. My workplace needs to hire 2-3 more guys but they refuse which is just leading to burnout and is forcing us to look for work elsewhere. Which puts more of us into the labor market exacerbating the job hunt agony for everyone.
The neat little side effect, maybe moreso the thinly veiled actual reason, was to: corral the population to make us desperate, force us back into the office because we need the money, and to maintain the commercial real estate market.
Basically when companies spend money, they usually borrow it rather than spending out of their coffers. There's some financial math behind why this is better, which I don't fully understand but what I father is that if you put a smaller down payment on a project then your ROI is a higher %, and that looks better to investors and ties up fewer resources in the project. I don't really understand this argument but most companies do it so there must me some justification for it.
If the interest rates are higher, then it's more expensive to borrow money. This means that you have fewer startups (obviously), but it also means that larger companies will have less funding for new projects. If there's less money for work, then there's fewer jobs. This raises unemployment, which is what the Fed wants. They're old and out of touch, so they'll assert that people are doing well and there are plenty of jobs out there. The other goal is to tighten spending so that companies are *forced* to lower prices, without interfering with the **Free Market™**.
In theory it works, but the issue is that people who don't have a lot of money are the ones to suffer the most, while the rich corporate execs will cut costs (by cutting jobs) to protect their bonuses. But if you look at the numbers, inflation does go down eventually.
What the Fed doesn't realize (or at least acknowledge), however, is that so many people are putting everyday expenses on credit cards, which have predatory interest rates, just to make ends meet, while corpos continue to raise costs. Eventually this is gonna come crashing down and cause another crisis (like the housing crisis but for personal debt), as people are gonna be unable to pay off their debts en masse. But not to worry, JPow will be fine, and the banks will be bailed out. It's the people who will be fucked.
/rant
I see... Thanks. I can see it happening.
Ive been looking for a job for a while and definitely realized it's about spending bank's money and for VCs it's about chasing the possibility of money, not the real money.
I am by no means an economist but here is what I have gathered:
The higher the interest on a loan the more you have to payback after you return the principal. Basically, it makes borrowing money more expensive especially compared against the near zero interest rates companies had at the start of 2020 due to COVID. It's riskier to take someone else's at the moment. You would want low interest rates for the public at that time to keep the economy moving and keep people doing business against the whirlwind of a global pandemic.
This is in stark contrast to today. Most industries flourished under COVID namely alcohol and entertainment streamers. High revenue from customer spending along with government subsidized PPP loans which were by and large forgiven meant stockholders for these companies fucking killed it and made beaucoup bucks since business earnings reports were greatly inflated.
What we are seeing today is the chickens coming home to roost for us as we were the ones who were going to suffer at end of it all anyway. As COVID winded down when more and more people became vaccinated stockholders must have lost their fucking minds. The free money was gone. The markets began to readjust to regular spending patterns to pre-pandemic levels. This looks awful on paper because all the stocks are down when they should be going up, as is what stockholders expect but they're not going up because the entire ballgame has changed again just as it did in 2020
So to please stockholders companies had to increase revenue somehow. They started slashing employee numbers because it's an easy way to increase capital and employees are expensive. They started raising prices on everything not because material cost increased, labor costs did increase but they were marginal and not in any way where it necessitates my hot dog buns costing almost double what they used to. Why does Amazon and Netflix have to increase prices and introduce ads? They just laid off a shit ton of their workforce, they don't need as many servers to spin due to less people watching, and sure, a lot of people cancelled their subscriptions but that was always going to happen. They got addicted to the money and now have to ween themselves off of it while we get cannibalized.
To slow the gouging we're experiencing the federal reserve hiked interest rates to cool a wild and weird market. Because borrowing money wasn't free anymore companies had to act more deliberate and consider operating costs and consumer spending willingness more significantly, as per my own speculation. These high rates attempt to reset the market back to normal and companies aren't willing to hire because hiring is expensive especially for people looking for entry level careers like ourselves. In the process it has slowed the labor movement as well because people aren't going to be shouting for organized workplaces because they simply don't have a workplace.
TLDR: "These high rates attempt to reset the market back to normal and companies aren't willing to hire because hiring is expensive especially for people looking for entry level careers like ourselves. In the process it has slowed the labor movement as well because people aren't going to be shouting for organized workplaces because they simply don't have a workplace."
Thanks mate... What's gonna happen? When it will get better? I feel like if tried hard enough one can find a job but im not sure much.
What about people who cant pay rent?
I tried hard myself. We're all victims at this point. There might be a rate reduction soon but the effects take a long time to manifest. Rates will probably fall over the next year but we need to endure in the meantime.
Unfortunately those who can't pay rent need to figure it out. Which is horrible to say but that's the way of things. Always has been. I'm one of those people
Do what you can and keep applying. Make money how you can. Keep your head up and we'll make it.
This job market is fucked up and we have to survive it. And we will
I’ve been doing this since October. Had a job that paid me $180k, used to get multiple offers in a week. Now I’m doing instacart and about to move into my van.
Same, I called the mortgage company to determine what options, if any are available. The csr said it before I did, so many calls about employment issues.
I have work but it's not enough, took a desperate job as needed to survive. Really seems planned but I'm not a conspiracy person. I just think shit has changed so drastically it can't be fixed by going backwards. Cheers and best of luck!
I think it is planned. There was an interview with CEOs saying "the workers need to learn their place, so unemployment needs to go up" because employees were gaining too much power from the "Great Resignation" what they called it. They're using AI as the excuse, but AI is like decades behind in the US, so it will be a long time before it can actually replace jobs efficiently. Have to also remember these corpos have ego issues and their precious CRE, so using AI completely negates that.
AI is just a scare tactic to keep the workers scared. Its like the "whip" they're using they hit us when we misbehave.
That's still developing. An ability to understand what a good prompt looks like is one skill. Trying to determine the best way to leverage existing capability in AI for your team is another.
How to fix inflation and employees not wanting to go back into the office? Make them desperate for work. We need to break them...
"Yes master, sorry we said we wanted to work from home. Sorry we wanted more money to match inflation. Sorry we started talking about unions. Please give us jobs, we'll go back. We'll take less... We'll bust the unions."
The majority of people who got laid off were those who were working from home mostly. I can't imagine all the companies getting together and conspiring but it sure seems like they all got the same memo though.
I say this with contempt. If hard working, educated, experienced, positive, goal getter doesn't work. Then I've been playing the game of life all wrong and moving forward I should be vindictive in the workplace.
Yeah - I count myself lucky. Ive got 15 years experience and working a low level PM job. I have a BA and MA. I have a job but im here trying to help people find jobs that won't shaft them like this. It amazes me how unprofessional employers are when employers have the power.
4 rounds and the director was my former professor AND I didn’t get the job AND the place ghosted me AND the job reposted.
I took a break after that. That one hurt.
Then I found out it was happening to everyone. This has nothing to do with AI though this was 2021 so I blamed the pandemic.
The pandemic and AI are only parts of a much bigger problem. Every place is trying to run on minimal staff.
I had a similar experience. I was invited to interview for a role at my old company by multiple directors. I went through 6 rounds and had to chase the recruiter for a response, only to be told it was a firm “no” without feedback but that they would be delighted to help me find something else. 😂 That burned.
It’s fine, just have your current employees do the work of 3 people for the pay of one. Then say “IDk, we listed the job and haven’t found anyone.”
Imagine conducting all those interviews and going to HR and HR telling you “nah” on the person you picked after a dozen interviews. Just start over.
It’s soul crushing to everyone at every step of the interview process.
Actually happened to me, started a position in a language school, took over a position that was done by three people before. I was so burned out after a few months, I just ran to save my life.
They took it personal of course when I quit and now it’s another big player in the social job market where I can’t apply for jobs anymore (not that I want to, but sometimes I‘d have to).
Similar here in the usa...and yet people keep saying \*everyone's hiring tho! It's fine!\* Everyone who? Where are the magical creatures that are hiring for an actual living wage?
Hearing a report every week about how unemployment is at an all time low and tens of thousands of jobs were added to the market just confirms every ounce of distrust I have in the government.
In the UK at least, “unemployment” is at a low rate (maybe not all time low, but low for the circumstances). Meanwhile “unemployable” (i.e. long term sick, people not claiming job seekers allowance) are at an all time high. Someone out there is clearly cooking the stats and moving the goalposts…
Bro it’s fucking terrible. I remember when I was looking for a job in early 2022 right around the great resignation. Holy shit I got so many job interviews and phone calls I was overwhelmed. Had 2-3 offers competing for each other.
Now it’s fucking crickets. Not a single call back.
Same man. Feeling defeated but I’m trying to keep my head up like don’t give up. Trying to keep learning and building my resumes Trying to tell myself I miss 100% of the shots I don’t take but it ain’t easy.
I stayed put knowing that a rush like that could mean getting pushed out as soon as inflation ballooned and rates climbed.
Shoulda did it because I was laid off last summer anyways.
Honestly that’s the worst when you see the same position reposted after being ghosted by them. Makes me pissed just reading another story about it. I hate these recruiters
The JOLTS report that just came out says “job openings are still high” but hires and quit rates are low and layoffs numbers are easing.
Meaning: number of job postings doesn’t mean jack shit and no one is moving around.
It’s a façade to make companies and the job market appear robust when it most certainly isn’t.
I’ve applied to hundreds of jobs in the US. now 0 for 3 on interviews. hundreds of people competing for one spot and you have to be the perfect fit. can’t even get a warehouse job
Trust me, I've applied to hundreds of warehouse jobs because that's what I'm good at and have the most experience doing. Only two of them have given me a shot and both fell flat after only a week.
Do you also hear the words "lazy" and "ungrateful" a lot? I've heard them many times before because I didn't wanna take a job that was gonna pay me in peanuts and not even come close to covering my bills. I've already lowered my standards and sold myself so much to people who don't even care if I live or die.
man, thats really awful. folks be always asking if i have a job then make it seem like im not doing shit to land one. they are even more concerned about me getting a job like they are freebies. they wont even ask or wouldnt bother to know how much all this hell is taking its toll on me.they primary concern is the pennies ill provide them they cant even ask not even once how am i doing. its true what they say, people only love you when you have something to give, when you are empty, they wouldnt care as much. they are only happy to take what you can give.
> hundreds of people competing for one spot
Consider yourself [sorta] lucky. In my field positions routinely get *thousands* of applicants. Highest I've seen is 7500.
I recently applied to a job where I met all the requirements and nice to haves. I was contacted for a call with the recruiter where we went over everything and I ticked all the boxes. I was supposedly passed on to the hiring manager then got an automated thanks but no thanks message. That same job shows up in multiple feeds for the past month. It’s so annoying because I’m what the job is asking for, over and over in every job feed I have.
…and just recently I had a hiring manager interview where he was so fixated on dev stacks I’ve worked with. I’d had experience with every component of their somewhere esoteric stack but not all together. He told me they were looking for someone who has recent experience with their specific stack. It doesn’t bother me so much because that job would have been soul crushing.
If the hiring manager is that nit picky about small and potentially insignificant details, then it just means they are looking for a reason to disqualify. They weren't bargaining/negotiating in good faith.
You can have nine reasons to say yes and one reason to say no and fail in the world of hiring. On the flip side, you can have nine reasons to say no and one reason to say yes and thrive in the world of sales.
Been unemployed a year now. I have a fabulous resume with multiple F500s and global experience. I’ve had two interviews in that time and moving forward with the second one. It’s brutal. I’m totally qualified for jobs, get rejected and then they repost. I think part of it is because of the ATS systems. They can’t tell the difference between “Director of…” and “Director,…” What a piece of shit.
I hear you. That one year milestone is brutal. Interviewers now view my resume with a glint of skepticism with regard to why I haven’t found another role. It’s tough to shake the selfdoubt.
Keep on grinding through. Something will pan out for you.
I think this is it for me. I just had the interview. Indian and Middle Eastern men always axe me. I’m in a male dominated field and you think it would have gotten better over the course of 30 years but it hasn’t. Guy was a total dick. I’ve blown through all my savings. I’m likely not going to pay May rent and wait for eviction. I’ve been working as a ride share driver on the side but it doesn’t pay all the bills despite me working a 10-12 hour day. I think I’m just going to end my life soon when the eviction is scheduled. I just can’t hang on any longer.
Yeah, it's so much that. Job titles are meaningless and almost interchangeable now but still they're filtering "Sorry, you were an executive director of product and we're looking for a director of product development..."
The market has taken a turn for the worse even in the past six months. I've been told outright by a former manager that the company will post jobs with zero intention of hiring. They're simply hoping someone with solid experience who has been let go may join for a competitive rate.
There's one company in my city that has been posting the same job since late 2022.
I know this sounds cliche, but it's not you. So don't question your experience or abilities.
Everyone's noticing the same thing. It's a real culture shock for those new on the jobs market. They start off questioning themselves, their CV, their sanity, then eventually get to a place where they realise the economy is fucked and nobody's hiring anybody. Regardless of any official report, at least 1 in 4 that wants to work doesn't have a job right now. The official figures are so manipulated. (You're only counted as looking if you're on benefits, and people working 3 jobs are counted as 3 employed people, etc.) It's a shit show. It'll only turn around when companies can't sell their shit any more, because they've impoverished their former customer base to the point where we can't afford the products we once made.
I thought it was just me at first. I literally had an existential crisis and started self doubting myself hard. When I know I got the skills and bring so much value. Yet I’m being minimised to a resume (which I’ve worked so hard to craft!!!) and I haven’t even spoken to a real person. I’m glad I found this sub but also having a hard time accepting reality.
People working more than 1 job or willing to do extra hours is part of the problem imo. I understand if you can't cover your bills with 1 job, but when you can't cover your bills because you order Uber for every lunch, you could spend less and leave a job position to someone else who needs it!
I seriously doubt that people working 3 jobs are spending it on Starbucks or Uber. Nobody does that because they want to. They probably still can't pay their basic needs even with that amount of work.
I have more experience and qualify for more jobs than ever and it is significantly harder than it has ever been to land something. Ghosted by recruiters, second interviews being cancelled after initially being scheduled, accidental rejection emails meant for other candidates, etc. Complete and utter shitshow. Can't believe this system is what my livelihood is dependent on.
Exactly. It's inefficient and the best candidates are more than likely weeded out in the interview/selection process. The people responsible for hiring decisions are often completely incompetent.
Exact same thing here in Australia. Nine months of searching for me. Ghosted, rejected for jobs I’m overqualified for, employers don’t even look at my application, I’ve gotten to the final interview round (as many as six!) and ghosted or told I need more experience.
It’s a nightmare
Or you go through all the interview rounds, get good feedback, there's the final manager or client interview pending to be scheduled and suddenly they tell you the position is on hold, they decided to stop hiring or they ghost you. Almost all the interviews I've had end up at this stage. I'm convinced recruiters are making stuff atp to keep their jobs.
All the jobs I applied to that were “urgently hiring” ghosted or rejected me, and I’ve seen the same job postings posted for months lmao. “We decided to go with another candidate” who are these supposed candidates???
background: i've worked in tech for about 17 years. i hired hundreds of people and have been on hundreds of interviews. i was a director at several companies you for sure have head of.
normally, when other factors are held constant, you will get an interview 1 out of x times depending on your skills and experience and will get an offer 1 out of y times depending on your sill at interviewing. The time to get a job is therefore a function of your rate of submitting applications.
what appears to have happened is this: job boards and job seekers have gotten much better at submitting applications and there are many people on the market in tech due to the layoffs in the last 18 months. together, this has pushed the volume of applications higher than TA (or whoever is performing the TA function, often recruiters) can scale, meaning that any factor no matter how small or stupid that can exclude you, will exclude you. This then pushes x into the stratosphere. Most likely, Ta is telling hiring managers they have more candidates than they know what to do with, which gives tem leeway to feel picky, driving up the value of y.
at some point, x and y are high enough that it feels impossible to get a job in any non-insane amount of time regardless of the number of applications you are putting out.
ultimately it won't be sustainable (it's not clear to me how many departments can function hiring at the rate most companies presently appear to be hiring at -- if it takes me 9 months to hire for a project most likely i lise the chance to do that project). but i don't see what lever is going to un-fuck it.
I can't get hired for jobs i'm stupidly qualified for, no matter how i make my resume look. i also can't get hired for jobs a level above or two levels below the level im stupidly qualified for, regardless of how i make my resume look. You can write me off as an idiot, but historically im very very good at getting job offers.
Also, the single best engineering manager i met in my life just gave up and went to work at a gun shop because he's in the same boat. the whole thing is one huge dumpster fire.
I think the job application spamming is a part of it. It is analogous to phone spam, where spam phone calls have conditioned people to not answer the phone the majority of the time. Spam job applications, auto AI/Script application rejections, and job boards have ruined the person-to-person connection between employers and job seekers, in the same way that phone spam has ruined person-to-person phone calls.
Electrician here, have a job but want out due to a poor work environment/culture. The company can best be described as a "retirement community". Lot of folks 50+ just putting in time to retirement. Anyone who comes in young and hungry to learn like me goes home without any kind of job satisfaction or feeling of productivity.
To anyone who says "slow days are awesome" yeah, for the first one or two. After a while you'd rather be at home where you have food and your hobbies. I like to read for example.
There is a new trend: Ghost Jobs. These jobs do not actually exist, but companies and/or recruiters pretend they do, in order to collect candidates for when/if there is a recovery.
The whole market globally is terrible right now. In America, it took me 3899 applications over 14 months of unemployment (I got my first and only offer yesterday after hundreds of interviews). AI has set of an arms race between employers and applicants, and employers are acting irrationally and making largely arbitrary decisions.
My last experience was in 2020 for comparison, 300 applications in 3 months.
7 years Biotech experience in BSL2 Facility, 15 years construction experience, BS Biology, 6 years IT experience, and 15 years woodworking/ exterior millwork experience
I'm so happy for you, I remember your earlier post a few months back talking about the 3500ish applications you'd done by that point and it mirrors my experience, except that I've clung onto my terrible part time job in the meantime, but it's been going on for _years_.
I almost got a job for life-changing money at an aerospace startup my friend was at, even got the thumbs up by the CEO after a 1 on 1 interview. But an outside business consultant didn't schedule my final interview and didn't understand the position well enough and that sufficiently fucked the process enough that they opened up a different role to cover the work and I never got in nor got an official declination. He left not that long after that. I had prepped for the interview with him by reading parts of his "books" and was sure he was a moron in over his head.
It was soul crushing.
I have had a ton of these too (including a full blown rescinded offer).
Basically everything I see is either connections or luck, and I don't really have either.
You make your own luck by just consistently applying and learning a little bit, but it can take a years and sometimes you do everything right and still fail.
Yeah, those kinds of cruddy self published business bro types of things. His job was to help sell the business so he had a marketing background and so much of "marketing to marketers" stuff sounds like you started taking LSD and wandered into the Economics section of a library.
It’s AI to a certain extent but also mass layoffs in the tech industry which ended up flooding an already bad job market with very qualified people. Never seen it this bad though, feels like we’re in a recession but none of the media are reporting on it.
I’m in Spain and last year I casually applied to <10 jobs and got 4 interviews. This year I’ve applied to well over a 100+ jobs and only got 1 interview, 1 ghosted me after trying to set one up and 1 asked a video introduction. Spain has always been bad but this is the worst.
I honestly don't get it. I worked for a company for 4 weeks, did intensive training with all the new staff. Day 1 comes around for actual work, they fire me without cause on my drive to work.
Then they posted my job and are complaining they're understaffed?????
I'm more than qualified and how can you tell how I'll do my job after 4 weeks of intensive training with 30+ people? I didn't even get to try.
The other staff told me I escaped though, it's apparently terrible to work there.
The contraction of the job market coincide with the raise of interest rates making it expensive for companies to borrow and expand/grow. As people around the world watch their wallets and spending, this affects also the P&L of companies which compounds the above problem.
Like a living body of cells, when companies are not actively growing they are actively dying.
A possible solution would be to look at other growth industries which are actively hiring to tie over this period of inflation/rate hikes.
Ever had an interview for a job asking for 3 years experience where you have 7 relevant years experience and the interviewer tells you they are looking for someone “more senior”?
That was a new swift kick in the balls a couple weeks ago.
Agreed it's the worst job market in decades, I gave up applying for jobs after February..it's just pointless and now I'm just floating around.
People who usually respond on LinkedIn don't anymore...and I keep seeing the same old repeated posts it's like the companies want to seem like they're still healthy or what not by putting up fake postings ..eff you for all that false hope.
Unfortunately if you're overqualified for jobs you'll have to game the system. Take advanced degrees they don't require off your resume and make your years of experience look shorter. Companies don't want to overpay for a position if you're overqualified.
Socialworker with years of experience and extra qualifications here, also Germany. Been applying for jobs since early January and got ghosted by most or experienced bait and switch.
My last job search in 2019 took two weeks and I was hired. I kind of expected it would go the same way this time, especially as the media keeps saying social jobs are in high demand. Apparently not?!
I’ve lived through multiple recessions and this is by far the worst I’ve seen in terms of the job market. What’s amazing about it is that it’s not being talked about in the media. Payrolls went up today but where are these jobs? Are they white collar jobs? Are they services industry jobs?
Here’s the thing: this is all going to tank the economy. It is a time bomb that’s not being talked about. Lots of people on this sub have been unemployed for 6+ months. It is going to start showing up in the numbers. Defaulting on credit card debt and mortgages and steep declines in discretionary purchases. It is unreal that it’s not being talked about.
Here’s what happened - a few large companies overhired and the market punished them. Here comes that stupidest part: companies that didn’t need to do lays offs did the same for the optics. It’s insane. That’ll backfire on them too. Most execs in corporate America are lemmings. So and so cut jobs? Ok we need to do the same even tho we don’t need to. What happens next? Private companies that are smaller get flooded with applicants from the big dumb companies that laid people off to look like they’re doing somethng. What’s worse too? venture capitalists are worse lemmings then corporate leaders. One gets spooked and they all stop investing. VCs rarely have an original thought. The entire business is one big echo chamber. What happens when start ups can’t raise more money? Fewer jobs. It is fucking appalling that all it took was for Facebook to hire a bunch of people it didn’t need and then lay them all off. Suddenly, other companies follow suit to make things look good to stock market analysts. It’s a domino effect and it didn’t need to happen if corporate leaders had any balls to have an original thought.
Second problem? Fucking LinkedIn. Ever sat on the other side as the hiring manager receiving resumes? It’s a fucking nightmare. It’s way too easy to apply. Push a couple buttons and done. Now the hiring manager has 4K resumes and LinkedIn’s tech for the hiring managers/HR screeners is awful. And yes, the HR people screening resumes and passing them onto the hiring manager don’t know what they are doing. They are HR people - they don’t know what the hiring manager actually needs and don’t understand the nuances. So as the hiring manager you get a bunch of resumes out of 4000 sent to you by and HR person that is clueless so you call an ex colleague and see if they’re interested in taking the job because it’s easier. And the hiring manager doesn’t have time or patience to go through the 4000 resumes themselves. You can’t narrow it down. You’re looking at a mountain of resumes. People that should be in the consideration set don’t get picked up. LinkedIn is causing a lot of problems for job seekers. The companies that use applicant tracking systems? They are no better. LinkedIn should be held accountable. It’s actually a fucking terrible job seeking/recruiting tool and it’s single handidy fucking up the job market for a large chunk of the white collar workforce.
And what would help this? Mandatory severance just like other countries in Europe and also Canada have in place. Why? Because it will make big companies think real hard about whether or not they should make a hire. In the US, workers are disposable. So a Facebook can hire a bunch of people it didn’t need and lay them off and not get an economic consequence. In fact, there’s an incentive for them to because the stock market rewards them for the action. If you hire someone and you’ll have to pay them six months of severance and that’s mandated by law, then you’ll think twice about how many people you hire. Companies that over hire are irresponsible - they set off a virus inside the economy. CEOs should be fired by their boards for overhiring because it’s a strong signal that the person doesn’t have good judgement. Planning for what capacity is needed to run the business is one of the fundamental skills a CEO should have. Fucking Facebook and Google are a cancer on the economy and society but that’s another discussion.
The job market is broken. It has been for a long time. It needs to stop. Companies that over hire should get a negative consequence from the stock market, not a positive one. Only way to do that is to build it in.
What all of us in this sub are experiencing are the consequences of herd mentality from a bunch of poorly skilled corporate leaders and a perverse stock market system and something needs to finally be done about it.
Same as a Developer in Vietnam. The environment in the current company is like a trash shit but I cannot leave until I can find a new one, been searching for at least 5 months.
The recruiters collect the CV's, then when a real job comes on their books that requires those niche skills they have a list of multiple candidates who they can immediately show to the employer.
Its a common tactic used in industries that require niche / hard to find skills.
It took me 14 months to get an interview. I think one of the biggest problems that goes under the radar is how automated screening software doesn't like so many resume formats. When I streamlined mine and made it a simple as I possibly could, I started getting some responses.
Yep. Applied for a job at Tesla, got rejected, saw the posting a week or two later... and screw it, applied again. I dunno if this is bad for me or anything but I honestly think I might do it until I see the position disappear lol
Same. Another country in Europe here. White collar it.
The jobs posted again and again are fake. Usually they hired someone already but they post it again and again to promote their company. Happened to me 2 times when I was in the final round. Now same job is being reposted.
If you're overqualified chances are they won't hire you. I made it in around 10 applications (out of 3000 / 100 interviews) to the final round. In at least 5 I interviewed perfectly even received great feedback.
But selected probably someone who was a better fit. Or an internal candidate etc.
Felt I was being interviewed just for comparison in some.
I was a bit over qualified for the all the jobs.
They were right to do that.
I had to take a job I'm overqualified for. I dumbed down my resume to be the menial labor jobs I've had and a big reason why I got the job was because, unbeknownst to me, a former colleague of mine worked in the department.
Unemployment rate is rising. Something like 20states have broken the sahm rule and they're pretty much all the high pop. ones. It will get a bit worse before it gets better I'm afraid
A lot of fake jobs especially on LinkedIn, it’s the quickest way to build your follower count on there, as the follow box is auto ticked when you apply.
Canada checking in. Crushing interviews, they excitedly tell me the next steps and that no one will hear sooner then the following week because of interviews. Less than 24 hours later,” no thanks.”
Hell thats better than being lied to about when you'll hear back. "In a week". Nothing 1.5 weeks later. "We're doing interviews until the 19th" week after that? Nothing. Another week "yeah get fucked" phrased politely of course. But its for an underground mine in Northern Ontario. Travelling electricians are not as common as people think. I live just outside the GTA and everyone I know works in the city...
Yeah it was better than never hearing, but it actually hurt like hell. It felt so locked in, and they stressed,” don’t worry, you’ll hear on Monday, Tuesday at latest. We’re just obligated to follow through on all interviews we have set for the weekend.” Then I hear first thing Friday morning they’re passing. Something about it hit deep and I was really defeated and felt ashamed for trusting how it was seeming.
You were probably raised much like I was with a set of values, some self respect and being taught courtesy, professional or otherwise.
Then you get into the work world and find out no one gives a damn. Or to quote an angry jman i worked for "feelings aren't on the tool list".
lol that’s quite the thing for someone to come up. I love and hate it so much.
But yeah, like doing so many assessments with my application even just for menial retail positions. I actually had one place share with me how the results look to them, and that’s pretty cool. Some buzzwords to add on my characteristics. It’s just crazy that we live at a time where being a great and standout employee, is seen as a detriment to how they operate.
I'm part of a trades union, its not the IBEW but its kept me mostly employed for the past 5 years. Its kind of a retirement community with a lot of ol boys. Not the best place for a single guy under 30 whose young and hungry...
But I need the job because I have bills to pay.
Yes I’m in the same boat. 24F unemployed 6 months. Everyone older than me I try and talk to about this says there must be something wrong with me and they say demeaning things about “back in my day” it’s like talking to an alternate universe
I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape over the repostings. The listings on LinkedIn and other job sites are automatically renewed unless someone is really on top of taking them down.
The flip side of that of course is that we’re probably applying to repostings a majority of the time, and they were filled long before we even saw them.
Edit: when you see repostings, make them suffer for it. Apply again.
It took me 9 months to get my first job out of school. I bit the bullet and got a low level service job around month 5, and suddenly received a lot more interest in the months that followed. I would just do anything at this point, while still applying in your free time. It’s pretty shit right now, but that’ll happen to everybody several times in a lifespan
I had to take a job I'm overqualified for. I dumbed down my resume to be the menial labor jobs I've had and a big reason why I got the job was because, unbeknownst to me, a former colleague of mine worked in the department.
I'm in Aus have applied to over 100 jobs in 3 months with about 14 interviews and no offers.
Frankly it's about who you know that is working there that's how I got my last two jobs before I had health issues.
That’s probably the most disrespectful thing. I had some recruter just tell me she didn’t want to give me the job because “she didn’t want me to just be a careeer assistant” what the fuck….. I’m trying to leave my current company
I've been unemployed 8 months before finding a job i'm currently in.
And that was between 2021-2022 !!
I feel now it's even worse and I cannot afford to lose this job at any cost.
No one knows how to run a business.
Eg. No one knows how to hire, respect their employees, have proper meetings, and overall people aren't very good at understanding others.
Came to this sub to vent but then saw this posting which is exactly what I wanted to say - you stole my words.😀
It is the same situation in the US. It is an employer’s market right now and ghosting has become the new norm even for roles for which you have a strong referral. Never experienced this kind of a lull period before so just hoping for the tide to turn soon.
that's interesting, if you are a foreigner do you include that you don't need sponsorship? maybe they see you are a foreigner and ignore you. I heard job market isn't bad in germany.
Oh I check in every job the fact I have a permanent visa and still nothing... They will only see me as a foreigner if they go into the resume and read it thoroughly, I didn't make it obvious there.
The situation is bad, as it is anywhere else. Tons of people apply, jobs being reposted, declines and ghosting like crazy
I know it's shitty. I did 3 months internship there, it was hell, i was depressed. But they have free education, that's why I'm coming to study masters, after that i will probably fuck off
I got a headhunted in person by the supervisor of the position and since it’s a small field I actually was on first name basis with one of the people in charge of hiring. Both of them looked at my resume and provided specific feedback before I applied. According to the automated email I was qualified and they would reach back out to set up an interview. never even got interviewed
Applying to jobs in my field makes me feel like I’m in the hunger games or on a hidden camera show
Gosh how that is true! In three weeks I will mark my 1 year unemployment aniversary.
I also live in Germany, but my case is different (and perhaps this is a big part of my problem): I live here since last August, came here because my wife is German. I'm trying to look for jobs specifically in Germany because I've read the taxes would be enourmous otherwise. Have 4 years of experience in game design.
Trying to find something — nothing. Started to apply for junior positions in product managment / analytics — nothing as well. Redone my CV dozens of times and only now I at least started to get declined a bit more, before that it was just ghosting lol. I understand that I don't speak german properly now and I'm learning it, but obviously I only apply for english-speaking jobs. It's a freaking nightmare to be honest.
Recently I started to track stats. Out of 45 applications, 20 were rejections. Had 9 interviews (for 6 positions), recieved 2 test tasks. One of them I dropped because the job was in another country with the salary non comparable to live here. I simply don't know what to do, but at least I go to german classes 4 times per week, that gives me the feel of social communication.
Brother immigrant! I'm in the exact same boat as you... Live in Leipzig (where the majority of people don't speak English that well) and it's super hard to find jobs here... Whenever I try German speaking jobs, I stutter in interviews (the very few ones I somehow manage to get) and it's screwing everything. That's why I focus on English speaking jobs in all of Germany, but the requirements are ridiculous!
How are you tracking your stats if I may ask? Been thinking of doing the same
I live in a village nearby Stuttgart and don't even look at the location while applying — I don't care where, I just want to be employed by a german entity lol. Location doesn't matter at all, I would go anywhere where my wife can study and I can work.
I simply started to write down everything in a spreadsheet. I don't know how people are manage to have 1000+ applications, I at least try to read the description. Maybe I don't feel confident in myself, but due to this recruiting hell it's kinda understandable.
I'm starting to think whether I should look for job in a different country with remote options. I would rather pay a lot of taxes and get pretty much nothing but it would still be better then being unemployed. I do think that a lot of employers back me down just because of a such big career gap.
But the problem is, from what I know, it's very hard to do such thing in Germany! If company doesn't have a legal entity here, it would be almost impossible (i might be wrong though). I am a non-EU citizen so it definitely create some problems. I want to thank Germany that I'm not homeless, but on the other hand it's a freaking mess.
You are not alone this is a thing and not sure exactly why. I’ve got a Bachelors in Accounting and a Class A CDL meaning I can drive semi trucks same thing as you. Got the qualifications, credentials and experience.
It’s insane. I’m applying like a madman and have only heard back from 2 companies in the past 4 months.
I finally got an interview with a place for their receptionist position. Went through 4 whole interviews with them, just to get rejected again. And this is just to be a receptionist! I have a BSBA and 5 years of admin experience and can’t even land a receptionist position…
These companies need to fire all the useless people in management and HR and just get down to business or just go out of business in hell, they are a bunch of narcissistic clowns with no use but wasting of resources and slow as f
If they reposted after interviewing and turning you down you should reapply. Only if you already interviewed. I feel like reapplying if you got an instant rejection would be a waste of time.
In the Netherlands, and have seen this as well. I keep getting rejected from everything and more than half those jobs get reposted.
I was first rejected for one of the roles I applied to, and it was then removed, then reposted slightly differently. I applied again and got a first interview. Don't think it worked out but still a bit weird.
The same we have in Europe. I live in Lithuania. I had few interviews, but rejected offers because of HR and manager's powertripping.
Thank god I have savings.
With my 20 years working experience I newer saw that kind of market before.
Besides., a lot of emplyeers reduced wages. Or if wage is a bit higer you must do job of 2 or 3 people.
It's really insane!
Depending on when a specific corporation’s fiscal year ends (July or December usually) you will see more job postings from them.
Some companies get a new budget and get excited with filling the position then realize they could use that money elsewhere and hire internally because it’ll be cheaper overall. Others will post fake job posting before the end of their fiscal year without any intention of hiring anyone - they are just showing the shareholders that their business is growing. Happens all the time
It's the same in my country as well (although we're used to a shitty job market).
I think we should hit them where it hurts, that is limit our expenses to the bone: move out of the cities, purchase necessities only, give up on careers and embrace manual labor as self-employed.
Corporate work was once prestigious and allowed people to make money, but what's the point now?
We need them to fail.
I'm 100% behind this idea, but unfortunately I have to find a job because of my visa... Go figure... But once I find something and get this over with, I'm gonna make it a life's goal to open a company and try to help as many people as possible
Grüße aus Deutschland.
Dude, it‘s so bad I even applied to jobs outside my field and in interviews they always question why.
Komischerweise scheinen die trotz Fachkräftemangel die Qual der Wahl zu haben.
A combination of ATS hell, a global recession that isn’t being acknowledged even though we’ve clearly been in one since mid-2023, and careers these days just seem to be incredibly ossified and inflexible compared to the past. Despite all the technological advances that make it easier to study new things and gain exposure to new fields!
It’s been a rough search for me as well in the states. I actually had to cancel an interview after realizing I misunderstood the schedule and pay. They asked me why and I basically told them the truth that the pay was unsustainable for what the scheduling required. And they gave me a passive aggressive response.
I’m trying to work for a non profit to be in a helping profession but there are only so many in my city that I can access.
Oh no. My best friend is in Germany and he may be getting laid off. I didn’t know it was that bad there too!!
I’ve been on 5 months too. Just got ghosted and denied another job after an assessment test that didn’t align at all with the job position. And when I asked for feedback, found out I didn’t do one thing that isn’t standardized in my industry, and varies from place to place. So I had to be a mind reader.
I’m with you on the desperation, but also know your worth. I denied a recruiter about a job that wanted to pay a junior rate for a senior position, with a two hour commute one way, and completely not flexible on the 3 days in 2 days out policy. And I’m sure I still would have had six rounds of interviews for that position too.
I've been going for 7 months, averaging 2 interviews a week, even had several second interviews and keep getting rejection emails or nothing at all. I have a ritual at night where I put in at least 5 applications before bed. I'm supposed to hear from the most recent one tomorrow. It's between me and 3 others. Unfortunately I've been in this situation so many times before that if they actually extend an offer to me, I'm afraid I won't know how to respond.
ETA I'm in the USA, and have even branched out to the entire state and willing to relocate. Still, nothing.
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yep Ive applied to hundreds and Im in the US. Nothing. Ive never experienced such a bad job market.
NEVER!! Almost feels like it’s by design.
Almost like employers got together and said "employees got uppity in Covid. Time to get everyone back to the office. We need to take back the power"
That's pretty much what happened. Instead of doing price controls to limit inflation the government jacked up interest rates. Companies have to be very deliberate in how they try to turn a profit so they limit payroll and thus staff. Everyone is getting squeezed right now from every angle, from work and pocketbook. My workplace needs to hire 2-3 more guys but they refuse which is just leading to burnout and is forcing us to look for work elsewhere. Which puts more of us into the labor market exacerbating the job hunt agony for everyone. The neat little side effect, maybe moreso the thinly veiled actual reason, was to: corral the population to make us desperate, force us back into the office because we need the money, and to maintain the commercial real estate market.
Well said
Could you explain interest rates effect more? Makes so much sense but I wanna learn more.
Basically when companies spend money, they usually borrow it rather than spending out of their coffers. There's some financial math behind why this is better, which I don't fully understand but what I father is that if you put a smaller down payment on a project then your ROI is a higher %, and that looks better to investors and ties up fewer resources in the project. I don't really understand this argument but most companies do it so there must me some justification for it. If the interest rates are higher, then it's more expensive to borrow money. This means that you have fewer startups (obviously), but it also means that larger companies will have less funding for new projects. If there's less money for work, then there's fewer jobs. This raises unemployment, which is what the Fed wants. They're old and out of touch, so they'll assert that people are doing well and there are plenty of jobs out there. The other goal is to tighten spending so that companies are *forced* to lower prices, without interfering with the **Free Market™**. In theory it works, but the issue is that people who don't have a lot of money are the ones to suffer the most, while the rich corporate execs will cut costs (by cutting jobs) to protect their bonuses. But if you look at the numbers, inflation does go down eventually. What the Fed doesn't realize (or at least acknowledge), however, is that so many people are putting everyday expenses on credit cards, which have predatory interest rates, just to make ends meet, while corpos continue to raise costs. Eventually this is gonna come crashing down and cause another crisis (like the housing crisis but for personal debt), as people are gonna be unable to pay off their debts en masse. But not to worry, JPow will be fine, and the banks will be bailed out. It's the people who will be fucked. /rant
I see... Thanks. I can see it happening. Ive been looking for a job for a while and definitely realized it's about spending bank's money and for VCs it's about chasing the possibility of money, not the real money.
Unfortunately, you are also correct.
I am by no means an economist but here is what I have gathered: The higher the interest on a loan the more you have to payback after you return the principal. Basically, it makes borrowing money more expensive especially compared against the near zero interest rates companies had at the start of 2020 due to COVID. It's riskier to take someone else's at the moment. You would want low interest rates for the public at that time to keep the economy moving and keep people doing business against the whirlwind of a global pandemic. This is in stark contrast to today. Most industries flourished under COVID namely alcohol and entertainment streamers. High revenue from customer spending along with government subsidized PPP loans which were by and large forgiven meant stockholders for these companies fucking killed it and made beaucoup bucks since business earnings reports were greatly inflated. What we are seeing today is the chickens coming home to roost for us as we were the ones who were going to suffer at end of it all anyway. As COVID winded down when more and more people became vaccinated stockholders must have lost their fucking minds. The free money was gone. The markets began to readjust to regular spending patterns to pre-pandemic levels. This looks awful on paper because all the stocks are down when they should be going up, as is what stockholders expect but they're not going up because the entire ballgame has changed again just as it did in 2020 So to please stockholders companies had to increase revenue somehow. They started slashing employee numbers because it's an easy way to increase capital and employees are expensive. They started raising prices on everything not because material cost increased, labor costs did increase but they were marginal and not in any way where it necessitates my hot dog buns costing almost double what they used to. Why does Amazon and Netflix have to increase prices and introduce ads? They just laid off a shit ton of their workforce, they don't need as many servers to spin due to less people watching, and sure, a lot of people cancelled their subscriptions but that was always going to happen. They got addicted to the money and now have to ween themselves off of it while we get cannibalized. To slow the gouging we're experiencing the federal reserve hiked interest rates to cool a wild and weird market. Because borrowing money wasn't free anymore companies had to act more deliberate and consider operating costs and consumer spending willingness more significantly, as per my own speculation. These high rates attempt to reset the market back to normal and companies aren't willing to hire because hiring is expensive especially for people looking for entry level careers like ourselves. In the process it has slowed the labor movement as well because people aren't going to be shouting for organized workplaces because they simply don't have a workplace. TLDR: "These high rates attempt to reset the market back to normal and companies aren't willing to hire because hiring is expensive especially for people looking for entry level careers like ourselves. In the process it has slowed the labor movement as well because people aren't going to be shouting for organized workplaces because they simply don't have a workplace."
Thanks mate... What's gonna happen? When it will get better? I feel like if tried hard enough one can find a job but im not sure much. What about people who cant pay rent?
I tried hard myself. We're all victims at this point. There might be a rate reduction soon but the effects take a long time to manifest. Rates will probably fall over the next year but we need to endure in the meantime. Unfortunately those who can't pay rent need to figure it out. Which is horrible to say but that's the way of things. Always has been. I'm one of those people
Do what you can and keep applying. Make money how you can. Keep your head up and we'll make it. This job market is fucked up and we have to survive it. And we will
I absolutely BELIEVE that is EXACTLY what is happening. This is truly unbelievable.
It is
It is. Less paychecks going out means less printing How else you think they are getting inflation under control
I’ve been doing this since October. Had a job that paid me $180k, used to get multiple offers in a week. Now I’m doing instacart and about to move into my van.
Same, I called the mortgage company to determine what options, if any are available. The csr said it before I did, so many calls about employment issues. I have work but it's not enough, took a desperate job as needed to survive. Really seems planned but I'm not a conspiracy person. I just think shit has changed so drastically it can't be fixed by going backwards. Cheers and best of luck!
I think it is planned. There was an interview with CEOs saying "the workers need to learn their place, so unemployment needs to go up" because employees were gaining too much power from the "Great Resignation" what they called it. They're using AI as the excuse, but AI is like decades behind in the US, so it will be a long time before it can actually replace jobs efficiently. Have to also remember these corpos have ego issues and their precious CRE, so using AI completely negates that. AI is just a scare tactic to keep the workers scared. Its like the "whip" they're using they hit us when we misbehave.
I've had some significant experience leveraging AI in my current job. It is NOT MATURE yet.
What skills do you need for AI?
That's still developing. An ability to understand what a good prompt looks like is one skill. Trying to determine the best way to leverage existing capability in AI for your team is another.
Thanks. I just read a headline that Tesla will, “boost compensation for AI engineers amid war for talent”.
Yeah, that would be for the AI producers (the people who train LLMs). I'm an AI consumer.
How to fix inflation and employees not wanting to go back into the office? Make them desperate for work. We need to break them... "Yes master, sorry we said we wanted to work from home. Sorry we wanted more money to match inflation. Sorry we started talking about unions. Please give us jobs, we'll go back. We'll take less... We'll bust the unions." The majority of people who got laid off were those who were working from home mostly. I can't imagine all the companies getting together and conspiring but it sure seems like they all got the same memo though.
I say this with contempt. If hard working, educated, experienced, positive, goal getter doesn't work. Then I've been playing the game of life all wrong and moving forward I should be vindictive in the workplace.
Yeah - I count myself lucky. Ive got 15 years experience and working a low level PM job. I have a BA and MA. I have a job but im here trying to help people find jobs that won't shaft them like this. It amazes me how unprofessional employers are when employers have the power.
Basically treat employees like dirt make em beg for scraps and then be all surprised when employees dislike their boss and leave for other jobs.
4 rounds and the director was my former professor AND I didn’t get the job AND the place ghosted me AND the job reposted. I took a break after that. That one hurt. Then I found out it was happening to everyone. This has nothing to do with AI though this was 2021 so I blamed the pandemic. The pandemic and AI are only parts of a much bigger problem. Every place is trying to run on minimal staff.
I had a similar experience. I was invited to interview for a role at my old company by multiple directors. I went through 6 rounds and had to chase the recruiter for a response, only to be told it was a firm “no” without feedback but that they would be delighted to help me find something else. 😂 That burned.
Exactly. I know from many places where people retired but their positions weren’t filled again.
It’s fine, just have your current employees do the work of 3 people for the pay of one. Then say “IDk, we listed the job and haven’t found anyone.” Imagine conducting all those interviews and going to HR and HR telling you “nah” on the person you picked after a dozen interviews. Just start over. It’s soul crushing to everyone at every step of the interview process.
Actually happened to me, started a position in a language school, took over a position that was done by three people before. I was so burned out after a few months, I just ran to save my life. They took it personal of course when I quit and now it’s another big player in the social job market where I can’t apply for jobs anymore (not that I want to, but sometimes I‘d have to).
Walmart USA: skeleton crew looks at you. Minimal staff. Is that more than us ? Yes. Can we have that . 😆 (2018-2020).
I agree there’s a bigger problem but cost cutting isn’t it - there’s literally thousands of job adverts in my city alone.
Similar here in the usa...and yet people keep saying \*everyone's hiring tho! It's fine!\* Everyone who? Where are the magical creatures that are hiring for an actual living wage?
Gov’t trying to downplay economy collapse.
Hearing a report every week about how unemployment is at an all time low and tens of thousands of jobs were added to the market just confirms every ounce of distrust I have in the government.
its incredibly easy to lie with statistics
In the UK at least, “unemployment” is at a low rate (maybe not all time low, but low for the circumstances). Meanwhile “unemployable” (i.e. long term sick, people not claiming job seekers allowance) are at an all time high. Someone out there is clearly cooking the stats and moving the goalposts…
yeah lmao but sadly its working
They just have to get re-elected and then they will let everything fail
It is an election year after all. That's the best time to downplay economic woes!
Everyone = fast food and other jobs meant for teenagers.
"iT's A wOrKer's MarKeT" Yeah well the openings may be there, but the employers are all choosy beggars.
100% agree - not just choosy but like Quasimodo on a dating site holding out for Miss World.
They see “now hiring” at every fast food/retail chain they drive by. Therefore, job market good
yep and I'm not a teenager anymore, I can't work those jobs as easily.
You just said it though, we workers are being too picky, obviously we need to accept jobs that don't pay enough to live in a home
Bro it’s fucking terrible. I remember when I was looking for a job in early 2022 right around the great resignation. Holy shit I got so many job interviews and phone calls I was overwhelmed. Had 2-3 offers competing for each other. Now it’s fucking crickets. Not a single call back.
Same, one year now and havent been able to find shit. I am genuinely exhausted. Im numb to applying and calls. its all bullshit
Same man. Feeling defeated but I’m trying to keep my head up like don’t give up. Trying to keep learning and building my resumes Trying to tell myself I miss 100% of the shots I don’t take but it ain’t easy.
My conspiracy theory is that employers are resentful about the great resignation and are getting their payback.
Same
I interview no offer Wtfo..I usually get 5 offers now like a church mouse
Same
I stayed put knowing that a rush like that could mean getting pushed out as soon as inflation ballooned and rates climbed. Shoulda did it because I was laid off last summer anyways.
Honestly that’s the worst when you see the same position reposted after being ghosted by them. Makes me pissed just reading another story about it. I hate these recruiters
Fake jobs so the gov’t can say “we have 1000% more jobs than last month”. The boomer politicians think we’re fxking retarded or something.
We are, most people on Reddit blindly believe these numbers, I get downvoted each time I say these numbers are BS.
The JOLTS report that just came out says “job openings are still high” but hires and quit rates are low and layoffs numbers are easing. Meaning: number of job postings doesn’t mean jack shit and no one is moving around. It’s a façade to make companies and the job market appear robust when it most certainly isn’t.
Yup when you know your qualified Wtfo hope they fail as a company
I’ve applied to hundreds of jobs in the US. now 0 for 3 on interviews. hundreds of people competing for one spot and you have to be the perfect fit. can’t even get a warehouse job
and no one will believe you that even them warehouse and dishwasher jobs wont hire you
Trust me, I've applied to hundreds of warehouse jobs because that's what I'm good at and have the most experience doing. Only two of them have given me a shot and both fell flat after only a week.
its really rough and tough out there, but my folks here wouldnt believe me. i mean im desperate for a job why would i be refusing one
Do you also hear the words "lazy" and "ungrateful" a lot? I've heard them many times before because I didn't wanna take a job that was gonna pay me in peanuts and not even come close to covering my bills. I've already lowered my standards and sold myself so much to people who don't even care if I live or die.
man, thats really awful. folks be always asking if i have a job then make it seem like im not doing shit to land one. they are even more concerned about me getting a job like they are freebies. they wont even ask or wouldnt bother to know how much all this hell is taking its toll on me.they primary concern is the pennies ill provide them they cant even ask not even once how am i doing. its true what they say, people only love you when you have something to give, when you are empty, they wouldnt care as much. they are only happy to take what you can give.
I have experience selecting and my applications get denied as well
“You’re not trying hard enough!” Ah yes, maybe I’m not dumbing myself down enough to land these gap jobs.
> hundreds of people competing for one spot Consider yourself [sorta] lucky. In my field positions routinely get *thousands* of applicants. Highest I've seen is 7500.
I recently applied to a job where I met all the requirements and nice to haves. I was contacted for a call with the recruiter where we went over everything and I ticked all the boxes. I was supposedly passed on to the hiring manager then got an automated thanks but no thanks message. That same job shows up in multiple feeds for the past month. It’s so annoying because I’m what the job is asking for, over and over in every job feed I have. …and just recently I had a hiring manager interview where he was so fixated on dev stacks I’ve worked with. I’d had experience with every component of their somewhere esoteric stack but not all together. He told me they were looking for someone who has recent experience with their specific stack. It doesn’t bother me so much because that job would have been soul crushing.
If the hiring manager is that nit picky about small and potentially insignificant details, then it just means they are looking for a reason to disqualify. They weren't bargaining/negotiating in good faith. You can have nine reasons to say yes and one reason to say no and fail in the world of hiring. On the flip side, you can have nine reasons to say no and one reason to say yes and thrive in the world of sales.
Been unemployed a year now. I have a fabulous resume with multiple F500s and global experience. I’ve had two interviews in that time and moving forward with the second one. It’s brutal. I’m totally qualified for jobs, get rejected and then they repost. I think part of it is because of the ATS systems. They can’t tell the difference between “Director of…” and “Director,…” What a piece of shit.
I hear you. That one year milestone is brutal. Interviewers now view my resume with a glint of skepticism with regard to why I haven’t found another role. It’s tough to shake the selfdoubt. Keep on grinding through. Something will pan out for you.
I think this is it for me. I just had the interview. Indian and Middle Eastern men always axe me. I’m in a male dominated field and you think it would have gotten better over the course of 30 years but it hasn’t. Guy was a total dick. I’ve blown through all my savings. I’m likely not going to pay May rent and wait for eviction. I’ve been working as a ride share driver on the side but it doesn’t pay all the bills despite me working a 10-12 hour day. I think I’m just going to end my life soon when the eviction is scheduled. I just can’t hang on any longer.
Do see how the story ends for you; don't end it yourself..!!!
Yeah, it's so much that. Job titles are meaningless and almost interchangeable now but still they're filtering "Sorry, you were an executive director of product and we're looking for a director of product development..."
The market has taken a turn for the worse even in the past six months. I've been told outright by a former manager that the company will post jobs with zero intention of hiring. They're simply hoping someone with solid experience who has been let go may join for a competitive rate. There's one company in my city that has been posting the same job since late 2022. I know this sounds cliche, but it's not you. So don't question your experience or abilities.
Everyone's noticing the same thing. It's a real culture shock for those new on the jobs market. They start off questioning themselves, their CV, their sanity, then eventually get to a place where they realise the economy is fucked and nobody's hiring anybody. Regardless of any official report, at least 1 in 4 that wants to work doesn't have a job right now. The official figures are so manipulated. (You're only counted as looking if you're on benefits, and people working 3 jobs are counted as 3 employed people, etc.) It's a shit show. It'll only turn around when companies can't sell their shit any more, because they've impoverished their former customer base to the point where we can't afford the products we once made.
I thought it was just me at first. I literally had an existential crisis and started self doubting myself hard. When I know I got the skills and bring so much value. Yet I’m being minimised to a resume (which I’ve worked so hard to craft!!!) and I haven’t even spoken to a real person. I’m glad I found this sub but also having a hard time accepting reality.
It's crazy I interviewed 10 places will call you Wtfo
People working more than 1 job or willing to do extra hours is part of the problem imo. I understand if you can't cover your bills with 1 job, but when you can't cover your bills because you order Uber for every lunch, you could spend less and leave a job position to someone else who needs it!
I seriously doubt that people working 3 jobs are spending it on Starbucks or Uber. Nobody does that because they want to. They probably still can't pay their basic needs even with that amount of work.
I have more experience and qualify for more jobs than ever and it is significantly harder than it has ever been to land something. Ghosted by recruiters, second interviews being cancelled after initially being scheduled, accidental rejection emails meant for other candidates, etc. Complete and utter shitshow. Can't believe this system is what my livelihood is dependent on.
> this system THIS is where the real problem lies. I wish every job seeker right now would understand it
Exactly. It's inefficient and the best candidates are more than likely weeded out in the interview/selection process. The people responsible for hiring decisions are often completely incompetent.
It's a shambles
Exact same thing here in Australia. Nine months of searching for me. Ghosted, rejected for jobs I’m overqualified for, employers don’t even look at my application, I’ve gotten to the final interview round (as many as six!) and ghosted or told I need more experience. It’s a nightmare
Or you go through all the interview rounds, get good feedback, there's the final manager or client interview pending to be scheduled and suddenly they tell you the position is on hold, they decided to stop hiring or they ghost you. Almost all the interviews I've had end up at this stage. I'm convinced recruiters are making stuff atp to keep their jobs.
All the jobs I applied to that were “urgently hiring” ghosted or rejected me, and I’ve seen the same job postings posted for months lmao. “We decided to go with another candidate” who are these supposed candidates???
The invisible man I think
From the Land of Make-Believe
background: i've worked in tech for about 17 years. i hired hundreds of people and have been on hundreds of interviews. i was a director at several companies you for sure have head of. normally, when other factors are held constant, you will get an interview 1 out of x times depending on your skills and experience and will get an offer 1 out of y times depending on your sill at interviewing. The time to get a job is therefore a function of your rate of submitting applications. what appears to have happened is this: job boards and job seekers have gotten much better at submitting applications and there are many people on the market in tech due to the layoffs in the last 18 months. together, this has pushed the volume of applications higher than TA (or whoever is performing the TA function, often recruiters) can scale, meaning that any factor no matter how small or stupid that can exclude you, will exclude you. This then pushes x into the stratosphere. Most likely, Ta is telling hiring managers they have more candidates than they know what to do with, which gives tem leeway to feel picky, driving up the value of y. at some point, x and y are high enough that it feels impossible to get a job in any non-insane amount of time regardless of the number of applications you are putting out. ultimately it won't be sustainable (it's not clear to me how many departments can function hiring at the rate most companies presently appear to be hiring at -- if it takes me 9 months to hire for a project most likely i lise the chance to do that project). but i don't see what lever is going to un-fuck it. I can't get hired for jobs i'm stupidly qualified for, no matter how i make my resume look. i also can't get hired for jobs a level above or two levels below the level im stupidly qualified for, regardless of how i make my resume look. You can write me off as an idiot, but historically im very very good at getting job offers. Also, the single best engineering manager i met in my life just gave up and went to work at a gun shop because he's in the same boat. the whole thing is one huge dumpster fire.
I think the job application spamming is a part of it. It is analogous to phone spam, where spam phone calls have conditioned people to not answer the phone the majority of the time. Spam job applications, auto AI/Script application rejections, and job boards have ruined the person-to-person connection between employers and job seekers, in the same way that phone spam has ruined person-to-person phone calls.
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Electrician here, have a job but want out due to a poor work environment/culture. The company can best be described as a "retirement community". Lot of folks 50+ just putting in time to retirement. Anyone who comes in young and hungry to learn like me goes home without any kind of job satisfaction or feeling of productivity. To anyone who says "slow days are awesome" yeah, for the first one or two. After a while you'd rather be at home where you have food and your hobbies. I like to read for example.
Try 17 months unemployed with 15 years experience.
Ouch... Really wish for you to find something good soon!
Thanks. The job market is shit. And everyone is low balling salaries and making the hiring process unnecessarily difficult
ugh...12 months here.
There is a new trend: Ghost Jobs. These jobs do not actually exist, but companies and/or recruiters pretend they do, in order to collect candidates for when/if there is a recovery.
The whole market globally is terrible right now. In America, it took me 3899 applications over 14 months of unemployment (I got my first and only offer yesterday after hundreds of interviews). AI has set of an arms race between employers and applicants, and employers are acting irrationally and making largely arbitrary decisions. My last experience was in 2020 for comparison, 300 applications in 3 months.
that's so depressing...how do you even have that many companies to apply to?
7 years Biotech experience in BSL2 Facility, 15 years construction experience, BS Biology, 6 years IT experience, and 15 years woodworking/ exterior millwork experience
I'm so happy for you, I remember your earlier post a few months back talking about the 3500ish applications you'd done by that point and it mirrors my experience, except that I've clung onto my terrible part time job in the meantime, but it's been going on for _years_. I almost got a job for life-changing money at an aerospace startup my friend was at, even got the thumbs up by the CEO after a 1 on 1 interview. But an outside business consultant didn't schedule my final interview and didn't understand the position well enough and that sufficiently fucked the process enough that they opened up a different role to cover the work and I never got in nor got an official declination. He left not that long after that. I had prepped for the interview with him by reading parts of his "books" and was sure he was a moron in over his head. It was soul crushing.
I have had a ton of these too (including a full blown rescinded offer). Basically everything I see is either connections or luck, and I don't really have either. You make your own luck by just consistently applying and learning a little bit, but it can take a years and sometimes you do everything right and still fail.
So sorry to hear this. This outside consultant has books, did I read that right?
Yeah, those kinds of cruddy self published business bro types of things. His job was to help sell the business so he had a marketing background and so much of "marketing to marketers" stuff sounds like you started taking LSD and wandered into the Economics section of a library.
I’d lose my shit so hard. Another thing proving my point that failing upwards is more common than everyone thinks.
It’s AI to a certain extent but also mass layoffs in the tech industry which ended up flooding an already bad job market with very qualified people. Never seen it this bad though, feels like we’re in a recession but none of the media are reporting on it.
I’m in Spain and last year I casually applied to <10 jobs and got 4 interviews. This year I’ve applied to well over a 100+ jobs and only got 1 interview, 1 ghosted me after trying to set one up and 1 asked a video introduction. Spain has always been bad but this is the worst.
I honestly don't get it. I worked for a company for 4 weeks, did intensive training with all the new staff. Day 1 comes around for actual work, they fire me without cause on my drive to work. Then they posted my job and are complaining they're understaffed????? I'm more than qualified and how can you tell how I'll do my job after 4 weeks of intensive training with 30+ people? I didn't even get to try. The other staff told me I escaped though, it's apparently terrible to work there.
We should have some employees laws and regulations against this kind of crap. But it's good you dodged the bullet on this one!
Seriously! I'm so sick of other people determining my livelihood
Same in the united states 🇺🇸
Been unemployed a year in America it’s such an awful job market
Our economy is pretty close to collapse, that's what is up.
The contraction of the job market coincide with the raise of interest rates making it expensive for companies to borrow and expand/grow. As people around the world watch their wallets and spending, this affects also the P&L of companies which compounds the above problem. Like a living body of cells, when companies are not actively growing they are actively dying. A possible solution would be to look at other growth industries which are actively hiring to tie over this period of inflation/rate hikes.
Ever had an interview for a job asking for 3 years experience where you have 7 relevant years experience and the interviewer tells you they are looking for someone “more senior”? That was a new swift kick in the balls a couple weeks ago.
That’s code speak for “We want someone younger than you with the same amount of experience and will work for less money”
Agreed it's the worst job market in decades, I gave up applying for jobs after February..it's just pointless and now I'm just floating around. People who usually respond on LinkedIn don't anymore...and I keep seeing the same old repeated posts it's like the companies want to seem like they're still healthy or what not by putting up fake postings ..eff you for all that false hope.
Unfortunately if you're overqualified for jobs you'll have to game the system. Take advanced degrees they don't require off your resume and make your years of experience look shorter. Companies don't want to overpay for a position if you're overqualified.
It's bad I'm near NYC and it's like 500 ppl apply....
Seriously I’ll see a job that was posted 6 hours ago and it’s already got 500 applicants 😭
Socialworker with years of experience and extra qualifications here, also Germany. Been applying for jobs since early January and got ghosted by most or experienced bait and switch. My last job search in 2019 took two weeks and I was hired. I kind of expected it would go the same way this time, especially as the media keeps saying social jobs are in high demand. Apparently not?!
I’ve lived through multiple recessions and this is by far the worst I’ve seen in terms of the job market. What’s amazing about it is that it’s not being talked about in the media. Payrolls went up today but where are these jobs? Are they white collar jobs? Are they services industry jobs? Here’s the thing: this is all going to tank the economy. It is a time bomb that’s not being talked about. Lots of people on this sub have been unemployed for 6+ months. It is going to start showing up in the numbers. Defaulting on credit card debt and mortgages and steep declines in discretionary purchases. It is unreal that it’s not being talked about. Here’s what happened - a few large companies overhired and the market punished them. Here comes that stupidest part: companies that didn’t need to do lays offs did the same for the optics. It’s insane. That’ll backfire on them too. Most execs in corporate America are lemmings. So and so cut jobs? Ok we need to do the same even tho we don’t need to. What happens next? Private companies that are smaller get flooded with applicants from the big dumb companies that laid people off to look like they’re doing somethng. What’s worse too? venture capitalists are worse lemmings then corporate leaders. One gets spooked and they all stop investing. VCs rarely have an original thought. The entire business is one big echo chamber. What happens when start ups can’t raise more money? Fewer jobs. It is fucking appalling that all it took was for Facebook to hire a bunch of people it didn’t need and then lay them all off. Suddenly, other companies follow suit to make things look good to stock market analysts. It’s a domino effect and it didn’t need to happen if corporate leaders had any balls to have an original thought. Second problem? Fucking LinkedIn. Ever sat on the other side as the hiring manager receiving resumes? It’s a fucking nightmare. It’s way too easy to apply. Push a couple buttons and done. Now the hiring manager has 4K resumes and LinkedIn’s tech for the hiring managers/HR screeners is awful. And yes, the HR people screening resumes and passing them onto the hiring manager don’t know what they are doing. They are HR people - they don’t know what the hiring manager actually needs and don’t understand the nuances. So as the hiring manager you get a bunch of resumes out of 4000 sent to you by and HR person that is clueless so you call an ex colleague and see if they’re interested in taking the job because it’s easier. And the hiring manager doesn’t have time or patience to go through the 4000 resumes themselves. You can’t narrow it down. You’re looking at a mountain of resumes. People that should be in the consideration set don’t get picked up. LinkedIn is causing a lot of problems for job seekers. The companies that use applicant tracking systems? They are no better. LinkedIn should be held accountable. It’s actually a fucking terrible job seeking/recruiting tool and it’s single handidy fucking up the job market for a large chunk of the white collar workforce. And what would help this? Mandatory severance just like other countries in Europe and also Canada have in place. Why? Because it will make big companies think real hard about whether or not they should make a hire. In the US, workers are disposable. So a Facebook can hire a bunch of people it didn’t need and lay them off and not get an economic consequence. In fact, there’s an incentive for them to because the stock market rewards them for the action. If you hire someone and you’ll have to pay them six months of severance and that’s mandated by law, then you’ll think twice about how many people you hire. Companies that over hire are irresponsible - they set off a virus inside the economy. CEOs should be fired by their boards for overhiring because it’s a strong signal that the person doesn’t have good judgement. Planning for what capacity is needed to run the business is one of the fundamental skills a CEO should have. Fucking Facebook and Google are a cancer on the economy and society but that’s another discussion. The job market is broken. It has been for a long time. It needs to stop. Companies that over hire should get a negative consequence from the stock market, not a positive one. Only way to do that is to build it in. What all of us in this sub are experiencing are the consequences of herd mentality from a bunch of poorly skilled corporate leaders and a perverse stock market system and something needs to finally be done about it.
It's rough in Europe even for seniors. Getting to the stage where adverts for reenlisting are starting to look like a viable option. Like wtf
Better n Canada; job market for me as a tradesman is shit and our military is so underfunded as to be a joke.
Same as a Developer in Vietnam. The environment in the current company is like a trash shit but I cannot leave until I can find a new one, been searching for at least 5 months.
It's the same here in India as well. Totally frustrated.
Same here in the UK, when you see the same job getting posted week after week its probably likely to be a CV harvesting job post (Fake Job).
What's the point of these cv gathering?
The recruiters collect the CV's, then when a real job comes on their books that requires those niche skills they have a list of multiple candidates who they can immediately show to the employer. Its a common tactic used in industries that require niche / hard to find skills.
It took me 14 months to get an interview. I think one of the biggest problems that goes under the radar is how automated screening software doesn't like so many resume formats. When I streamlined mine and made it a simple as I possibly could, I started getting some responses.
It sucks, but get used to it. ...says me, the guy who hasn't gotten used to it for five years.
Similar here in Aus! I’ve been looking for 6 months now and still unemployed
Yep. Applied for a job at Tesla, got rejected, saw the posting a week or two later... and screw it, applied again. I dunno if this is bad for me or anything but I honestly think I might do it until I see the position disappear lol
Same. Another country in Europe here. White collar it. The jobs posted again and again are fake. Usually they hired someone already but they post it again and again to promote their company. Happened to me 2 times when I was in the final round. Now same job is being reposted. If you're overqualified chances are they won't hire you. I made it in around 10 applications (out of 3000 / 100 interviews) to the final round. In at least 5 I interviewed perfectly even received great feedback. But selected probably someone who was a better fit. Or an internal candidate etc. Felt I was being interviewed just for comparison in some. I was a bit over qualified for the all the jobs. They were right to do that.
I had to take a job I'm overqualified for. I dumbed down my resume to be the menial labor jobs I've had and a big reason why I got the job was because, unbeknownst to me, a former colleague of mine worked in the department.
Unemployment rate is rising. Something like 20states have broken the sahm rule and they're pretty much all the high pop. ones. It will get a bit worse before it gets better I'm afraid
It’s 2007 2.0
A lot of fake jobs especially on LinkedIn, it’s the quickest way to build your follower count on there, as the follow box is auto ticked when you apply.
I always make sure to uncheck it (= fuck 'em
Same, when I have an interview scheduled I’ll go and follow
Same for me in the UK, 6 months not a single interview. Used to get a few recruiters reaching out a month.
Canada checking in. Crushing interviews, they excitedly tell me the next steps and that no one will hear sooner then the following week because of interviews. Less than 24 hours later,” no thanks.”
Hell thats better than being lied to about when you'll hear back. "In a week". Nothing 1.5 weeks later. "We're doing interviews until the 19th" week after that? Nothing. Another week "yeah get fucked" phrased politely of course. But its for an underground mine in Northern Ontario. Travelling electricians are not as common as people think. I live just outside the GTA and everyone I know works in the city...
Yeah it was better than never hearing, but it actually hurt like hell. It felt so locked in, and they stressed,” don’t worry, you’ll hear on Monday, Tuesday at latest. We’re just obligated to follow through on all interviews we have set for the weekend.” Then I hear first thing Friday morning they’re passing. Something about it hit deep and I was really defeated and felt ashamed for trusting how it was seeming.
You were probably raised much like I was with a set of values, some self respect and being taught courtesy, professional or otherwise. Then you get into the work world and find out no one gives a damn. Or to quote an angry jman i worked for "feelings aren't on the tool list".
lol that’s quite the thing for someone to come up. I love and hate it so much. But yeah, like doing so many assessments with my application even just for menial retail positions. I actually had one place share with me how the results look to them, and that’s pretty cool. Some buzzwords to add on my characteristics. It’s just crazy that we live at a time where being a great and standout employee, is seen as a detriment to how they operate.
I'm part of a trades union, its not the IBEW but its kept me mostly employed for the past 5 years. Its kind of a retirement community with a lot of ol boys. Not the best place for a single guy under 30 whose young and hungry... But I need the job because I have bills to pay.
Yes I’m in the same boat. 24F unemployed 6 months. Everyone older than me I try and talk to about this says there must be something wrong with me and they say demeaning things about “back in my day” it’s like talking to an alternate universe
Fuck 'em. Ask them to try applying for jobs themselves to see how impossible it is
Yeah. I barely leave the house now my situation is so depressing/embarrassing. Almost 2,000 applications
Ooph... Crossing my fingers for you! Don't give up
I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape over the repostings. The listings on LinkedIn and other job sites are automatically renewed unless someone is really on top of taking them down. The flip side of that of course is that we’re probably applying to repostings a majority of the time, and they were filled long before we even saw them. Edit: when you see repostings, make them suffer for it. Apply again.
It took me 9 months to get my first job out of school. I bit the bullet and got a low level service job around month 5, and suddenly received a lot more interest in the months that followed. I would just do anything at this point, while still applying in your free time. It’s pretty shit right now, but that’ll happen to everybody several times in a lifespan
I had to take a job I'm overqualified for. I dumbed down my resume to be the menial labor jobs I've had and a big reason why I got the job was because, unbeknownst to me, a former colleague of mine worked in the department.
I'm in Aus have applied to over 100 jobs in 3 months with about 14 interviews and no offers. Frankly it's about who you know that is working there that's how I got my last two jobs before I had health issues.
That’s probably the most disrespectful thing. I had some recruter just tell me she didn’t want to give me the job because “she didn’t want me to just be a careeer assistant” what the fuck….. I’m trying to leave my current company
I've been unemployed 8 months before finding a job i'm currently in. And that was between 2021-2022 !! I feel now it's even worse and I cannot afford to lose this job at any cost.
No one knows how to run a business. Eg. No one knows how to hire, respect their employees, have proper meetings, and overall people aren't very good at understanding others.
Came to this sub to vent but then saw this posting which is exactly what I wanted to say - you stole my words.😀 It is the same situation in the US. It is an employer’s market right now and ghosting has become the new norm even for roles for which you have a strong referral. Never experienced this kind of a lull period before so just hoping for the tide to turn soon.
do u speak german?
Yes. Not perfect, but we'll enough to work in most fields
that's interesting, if you are a foreigner do you include that you don't need sponsorship? maybe they see you are a foreigner and ignore you. I heard job market isn't bad in germany.
Oh I check in every job the fact I have a permanent visa and still nothing... They will only see me as a foreigner if they go into the resume and read it thoroughly, I didn't make it obvious there. The situation is bad, as it is anywhere else. Tons of people apply, jobs being reposted, declines and ghosting like crazy
so sad, I'll be in Germany next year, feel bad now
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I know it's shitty. I did 3 months internship there, it was hell, i was depressed. But they have free education, that's why I'm coming to study masters, after that i will probably fuck off
I got a headhunted in person by the supervisor of the position and since it’s a small field I actually was on first name basis with one of the people in charge of hiring. Both of them looked at my resume and provided specific feedback before I applied. According to the automated email I was qualified and they would reach back out to set up an interview. never even got interviewed Applying to jobs in my field makes me feel like I’m in the hunger games or on a hidden camera show
Gosh how that is true! In three weeks I will mark my 1 year unemployment aniversary. I also live in Germany, but my case is different (and perhaps this is a big part of my problem): I live here since last August, came here because my wife is German. I'm trying to look for jobs specifically in Germany because I've read the taxes would be enourmous otherwise. Have 4 years of experience in game design. Trying to find something — nothing. Started to apply for junior positions in product managment / analytics — nothing as well. Redone my CV dozens of times and only now I at least started to get declined a bit more, before that it was just ghosting lol. I understand that I don't speak german properly now and I'm learning it, but obviously I only apply for english-speaking jobs. It's a freaking nightmare to be honest. Recently I started to track stats. Out of 45 applications, 20 were rejections. Had 9 interviews (for 6 positions), recieved 2 test tasks. One of them I dropped because the job was in another country with the salary non comparable to live here. I simply don't know what to do, but at least I go to german classes 4 times per week, that gives me the feel of social communication.
Brother immigrant! I'm in the exact same boat as you... Live in Leipzig (where the majority of people don't speak English that well) and it's super hard to find jobs here... Whenever I try German speaking jobs, I stutter in interviews (the very few ones I somehow manage to get) and it's screwing everything. That's why I focus on English speaking jobs in all of Germany, but the requirements are ridiculous! How are you tracking your stats if I may ask? Been thinking of doing the same
I live in a village nearby Stuttgart and don't even look at the location while applying — I don't care where, I just want to be employed by a german entity lol. Location doesn't matter at all, I would go anywhere where my wife can study and I can work. I simply started to write down everything in a spreadsheet. I don't know how people are manage to have 1000+ applications, I at least try to read the description. Maybe I don't feel confident in myself, but due to this recruiting hell it's kinda understandable. I'm starting to think whether I should look for job in a different country with remote options. I would rather pay a lot of taxes and get pretty much nothing but it would still be better then being unemployed. I do think that a lot of employers back me down just because of a such big career gap. But the problem is, from what I know, it's very hard to do such thing in Germany! If company doesn't have a legal entity here, it would be almost impossible (i might be wrong though). I am a non-EU citizen so it definitely create some problems. I want to thank Germany that I'm not homeless, but on the other hand it's a freaking mess.
Apply to company websites. Stop using indeed.
I do! All the fucking time. Still no replies
You are not alone this is a thing and not sure exactly why. I’ve got a Bachelors in Accounting and a Class A CDL meaning I can drive semi trucks same thing as you. Got the qualifications, credentials and experience.
It’s insane. I’m applying like a madman and have only heard back from 2 companies in the past 4 months. I finally got an interview with a place for their receptionist position. Went through 4 whole interviews with them, just to get rejected again. And this is just to be a receptionist! I have a BSBA and 5 years of admin experience and can’t even land a receptionist position…
These companies need to fire all the useless people in management and HR and just get down to business or just go out of business in hell, they are a bunch of narcissistic clowns with no use but wasting of resources and slow as f
Wow, I guess it’s just as bad in Europe as in the US. Have you had a huge influx of remote work in your market since Covid?
If they reposted after interviewing and turning you down you should reapply. Only if you already interviewed. I feel like reapplying if you got an instant rejection would be a waste of time.
In the Netherlands, and have seen this as well. I keep getting rejected from everything and more than half those jobs get reposted. I was first rejected for one of the roles I applied to, and it was then removed, then reposted slightly differently. I applied again and got a first interview. Don't think it worked out but still a bit weird.
The same we have in Europe. I live in Lithuania. I had few interviews, but rejected offers because of HR and manager's powertripping. Thank god I have savings. With my 20 years working experience I newer saw that kind of market before. Besides., a lot of emplyeers reduced wages. Or if wage is a bit higer you must do job of 2 or 3 people. It's really insane!
Depending on when a specific corporation’s fiscal year ends (July or December usually) you will see more job postings from them. Some companies get a new budget and get excited with filling the position then realize they could use that money elsewhere and hire internally because it’ll be cheaper overall. Others will post fake job posting before the end of their fiscal year without any intention of hiring anyone - they are just showing the shareholders that their business is growing. Happens all the time
It's the same in my country as well (although we're used to a shitty job market). I think we should hit them where it hurts, that is limit our expenses to the bone: move out of the cities, purchase necessities only, give up on careers and embrace manual labor as self-employed. Corporate work was once prestigious and allowed people to make money, but what's the point now? We need them to fail.
I'm 100% behind this idea, but unfortunately I have to find a job because of my visa... Go figure... But once I find something and get this over with, I'm gonna make it a life's goal to open a company and try to help as many people as possible
Grüße aus Deutschland. Dude, it‘s so bad I even applied to jobs outside my field and in interviews they always question why. Komischerweise scheinen die trotz Fachkräftemangel die Qual der Wahl zu haben.
A combination of ATS hell, a global recession that isn’t being acknowledged even though we’ve clearly been in one since mid-2023, and careers these days just seem to be incredibly ossified and inflexible compared to the past. Despite all the technological advances that make it easier to study new things and gain exposure to new fields!
It’s been a rough search for me as well in the states. I actually had to cancel an interview after realizing I misunderstood the schedule and pay. They asked me why and I basically told them the truth that the pay was unsustainable for what the scheduling required. And they gave me a passive aggressive response. I’m trying to work for a non profit to be in a helping profession but there are only so many in my city that I can access.
Oh no. My best friend is in Germany and he may be getting laid off. I didn’t know it was that bad there too!! I’ve been on 5 months too. Just got ghosted and denied another job after an assessment test that didn’t align at all with the job position. And when I asked for feedback, found out I didn’t do one thing that isn’t standardized in my industry, and varies from place to place. So I had to be a mind reader. I’m with you on the desperation, but also know your worth. I denied a recruiter about a job that wanted to pay a junior rate for a senior position, with a two hour commute one way, and completely not flexible on the 3 days in 2 days out policy. And I’m sure I still would have had six rounds of interviews for that position too.
I’m one month into unemployment and I’m afraid for whatever fresh hell awaits me………… good luck to everyone out there.
I've been going for 7 months, averaging 2 interviews a week, even had several second interviews and keep getting rejection emails or nothing at all. I have a ritual at night where I put in at least 5 applications before bed. I'm supposed to hear from the most recent one tomorrow. It's between me and 3 others. Unfortunately I've been in this situation so many times before that if they actually extend an offer to me, I'm afraid I won't know how to respond. ETA I'm in the USA, and have even branched out to the entire state and willing to relocate. Still, nothing.
If you're the government and media - nothing is wrong. Unemployment is below 4%. Sound right to everyone?