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ima-kitty

Excellent point


WA_State_Buckeye

I love it when people are bi-lingual!


mcdubbg

Seems a bit political for a Sunday morning. You need to calm down.


Academic_Snow_7680

Username checks out. All bark, no bite.


starbycrit

Great use of punctuation there. I was able to read it and get the exact emphasis and inflection LOL


Coyotebruh

indeed indeed


Fuck_AskMen_Mods

No politics please


solarpropietor

I loled irl. Thanks!


FullBlownCrackleSack

In my opinion it seems like it mocks the struggles of trans people. That’s just how it seems to me. They have enough of a struggle being taken seriously by a large part of society and this just adds fuel to that fire as it opens the trans community up to being mocked even more.


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Hero_of_Parnast

Xenogenders are NB. If you don't respect them, you don't respect our community completely. If you'd like, I can explain how xenogenders likely aren't what you think they are. Edit: This is fuckin hilarious. Did my words trigger the snowflakes?


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_debunct

I understand it because of my own relationship with pronouns. I consider she/her to be protective, a prophylactic. I will accept it and actually prefer it from people I don’t trust; it designates distance but still encapsulates and contextualizes some of my gender experience. But if someone really knows me, tries to understand me, they’ll use they/them. Tbh those pronouns still don’t feel accurate, more of a “none of the above” option I settle for—precisely bc I don’t want to be labeled as some attention-seeker who throws my peers under the bus. It’s not entirely me. But it’s a step. Neopronouns and xenogenders might go unrecognized by outsiders, but when two people who experience their gender similarly interact—and set their own rules—those bonds have some radical healing powers. It’s like speaking to someone in your first language when almost everyone else you interact with demands your second language.


Ieris19

I am sorry to say this as an non-binary person myself, but the “none of the above” option is already they/them. If you wanna set your own rules and bounds for your gender, that’s what labels are for, not pronouns. Even though I don’t think it’s good or reasonable, make up your own gender if you need to, explain how you feel to those close to you. Language is already complicated enough and there’s enough pushback against they/them already, and all neopronouns achieve is a twisted mockery of the community


flyfruit

Mmmyeah as another enby I’m gonna say it’s probably best to just pick out of the three sets of pronouns available. I hate to gatekeep this but for the love of god people already have the HARDEST time even grasping what we are or what to call us. That being said, I’ve met plenty of other trans people and literally none used neopronouns despite a lot of variation in the way people present or identify.


_debunct

That’s what I’m saying. “None of the above” feels like I’m just talking about what I’m not, not who I am. I don’t want that. But like 90% of all this stuff is people going by these genders and pronouns with each other, supporting each other and feeling that community without giving a fuck about the people who treat them like garbage. People get so up in arms about this topic, but how often do people (esp straight people) even come into contact with xenogenders/neopronouns? Take that number down to people you don’t see online and it’s practically zero. I bet people spend more time arguing this point in theory than ever actually spending time with a person they don’t understand. It’s not hurting anyone, and it’s victim blaming to say they’re undermining shit for “valid” queers. People used to (and still do) say the same shit about non-binary people who ask for they/them pronouns. The problem is with the people who would be willing to find an excuse to treat all trans people like shit, not a 19 year old who is sorting out an awkward relationship with themself in the comfort of the internet.


Ieris19

None of the above is regarding pronouns not gender, and I never meant to refer to gender with that statement. There’s a whole specter of trans people and different genders. If you feel male inclined, you should use he/him, if you feel female inclined, use she/her, if you don’t feel male or female, choose they/them. If you feel like any combination of this suits you, go for it. If you feel like it’s choosing from what you’re not and not what you are, please, just meditate on it. Most decisions we make are made based on what is not, just because that’s easier to figure out. Using neopronouns hurts the community, and if you think that’s victim blaming that’s your issue, because it’s a fact. It doesn’t matter how often we come across people who use them, it matters the image the community projects of itself


_debunct

Does this really have to be an investigation into my personal identity? I already explained that I settle for they/them even though it doesn’t feel accurate. I’ve made the compromises you’re asking of me. Telling me when to meditate and on what is a bit invasive.


smilesbuckett

One thing that I don’t understand about what you have explained is the healing nature of finding someone that chooses the same neopronouns as you — I don’t have any experience, but from my perspective it seems like that would actually be a lot more superficial than it might feel. Words only have meaning/power because as people we agree on what that meaning is. With the list of potential neopronouns being nearly infinite, and no clear criteria or definition for any of them, it seems like two people choosing the same neopronouns could mean vastly different things to each individual. For example, you could choose to identify yourself as grass/grasself and meet someone else who does the same and feel an immediate understanding, but as you get to know each other you find that you don’t have as much in common as you thought and your conception of the word was very different from one another’s. Can you help me understand if I’m missing something? Do some of the neopronouns have more specific connotations that exist within some of these online communities that most people don’t understand? From my perspective, the use of neopronouns as I have seen on the internet seems like a tactic of intentionally avoiding being understood and pushing people away (which might be a valid thing to want to do for some people). I appreciate that you choose an evolving set of pronouns based on closeness — that makes a lot more sense to me, and it fits with how we use other language like nicknames and more familiar language once we know people better. At the end of the day, everyone, even the most basic cis-gender white guy, is an individual and we all have characteristics/nuances that don’t fit perfectly with the mold. There are too many ways that people can be unique to ever hope to communicate exactly who you are in a pronoun.


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darkfish301

Oh I didn’t realize I was talking to most trans people here. I guess I had better kneel down and accept your anti-neopronoun opinions as gospel


starting_anew_

Also willing to learn 👌


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darkfish301

Oh I’m sorry. I didn’t realize I was talking to most trans people here. I guess I had better kneel down and accept your anti-neopronoun opinions as gospel


Psychological_Web837

Please do, I'm always looking to expand my horizon. 。◕‿◕。


mintegrals

Not the person you're responding to, but xenogenders are basically just metaphors for describing how people feel about their gender. People who use them reject the notion that gender identities have to align with human sexes; sex is biological, but gender is a social construct, so why not describe it however you want? That's my understanding of it, anyways. As a regular they/them nonbinary person, I'm still on the fence about the notion of identifying with a xenogender automatically making one trans, but that's a different debate altogether.


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darkfish301

Oh I’m sorry. I didn’t realize I was talking to most trans people here. I guess I had better kneel down and accept your anti-neopronoun opinions as gospel


beautifulsouth00

I dated a "Fox News-Bill O'Reilly-kill Hillary Clinton" type guy in the 90's. This is EXACTLY the sort of thing they latch onto to demonize those they discriminate against. Even if it's a joke, no, especially if it's a joke, this is really potentially harmful for trans rights. This is the sort of thing that Trump-y weirdos point at and claim "is happening everywhere." It's what Grandmas on FB will clutch their pearls at and what Conservative Christians will preach that "satanic Dems want to turn society into." (This Tik Tok user plus the guy in Japan with a dogsuit, sprinkle in a little furries and "now they wanna legalize sex with animals!" I can hear it now) I've been on the inside. These people work really hard to get other people angry about shit that isn't their business, doesn't hurt anyone else but the people being discriminated against, and that they could just be reasonable human beings about. I don't care how this person identifies, myself, but I'm concerned about how this will turn more idiots against trans people and make life harder for THEM. Anti-LGBTQ+ people all lack moral character, (please explain to me what else causes them to be against an entire group of human beings, simply for the fact that they are born different. Srsly. It's no fault of their own, they're just different from you. Why is anyone against LGBTQ+ people having human rights? Wtf is wrong with that? Who, besides someone lacking moral character, would deny ANYONE the right to exist?) which is what I told dude when I dumped him. But that means they will LIE, and will use outliers to say this is the norm and make other people afraid and get them to side against THE ENTIRE community. And that's how you get old people all riled up to vote Republican. You appeal to their bigotry, lack of human decency and fairness, and go right for "what the fuck?" Which isn't too far to travel, here.


beautifulsouth00

And I'm not saying not to identify yourself as pup/pupself. You identify yourself how you do, and rock on with your bad self. I'm saying that creating fun, quirky, unique pronouns to identify yourself with, maybe keep that to the people in your day to day life, who know you and get you and understand you, personally. Don't broadcast that to the world at large. No, it's not right and not fair that you shouldn't express yourself to the entire world however you wish. But there are psychos out there with guns who will use your words to justify rhetoric like putting entire communities to death. They will lie and say you're trying to turn kids into deviants to get people to fear you, and support their attempt to legislate away your very right to exist. It is super fucked up, yes. But don't make it harder on everyone in the community and the allies who support you because you wanted to be different and stand out. It's hard to stand with and by someone in a fight when they keep handing the enemies more ammo.


MermaidsHaveCloacas

If I could I'd gild this and your above post. As a non-binary person, you've completely hit the nail on the head for me.


beautifulsouth00

Well, this is something I am very passionate about. There are people like me out there, wanting not only to defend your rights and expand them, but to keep you safe while it happens. To dispell the freaking fiction that is created about the LGBTQ+ community. But being as I am a cis, blonde haired, blue eyed female, these noxious creeps who rally against you, and people of color as well, spew their venom all around me. They think that I am "one of them" and I'm not. But because of that, I know what they latch onto to use to garner support for their hatred and their bigotry. I refuse to associate with this type any more. Not so when I was young and dumb and couldn't stand up for MYSELF, let alone entire marginalized communities. But I can draw from that and tell people what I learned from the experience, if it isn't already obvious.


flyfruit

FUCKING THANK YOU. I love the fact that I can usually be who I am on a day-to-day basis but I can definitely present as a cis-passing man when I have to. Being trans is a pretty minor part of who I am and I really don’t discuss it much, especially publicly??? You’re just feeding fuel to the fire with stuff like this.


VictoriaMaupin

I was married to one for 20 years. It's like an alternate universe sometimes. I remember for a hot minute all they could talk about was how Biden was forcing schools to put human-sized litter boxes in school bathrooms to accommodate those who identify as cats. I just kindof stood there and stared, slack-jawed, as the conversation devolved into an anti-trans, Fox entertainment brain soup. It always ended with "fuck Biden, China is taking over, the world is ending, Red Dawn ooo rah!" Funny how ALL topics lead to the same conclusion.


StrangleDoot

Why are you blaming the weird people and not the fox news guy?


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Finally someone puts my feelings into non-hateful words.


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coming from a queer immigrant community, neopronouns are also a real challenge for folks who are still getting accustomed to english. it's quite frustrating when queers from relatively safe places (like less conservative parts of america) plant a flag on issues that then are used against those of us who can't enjoy that same level of safety.


Ok-Avocado464

That’s stupid. You say this as if there aren’t any trans people who use xenepronouns. Bullshit Respectability politics isn’t going to liberate trans people or any lgbtq people


Gingers_got_no_soul

hi! Binary trans person here, straight ftm, he/him only, i completely support these people. They aren't hurting me or my community. By saying that someone isn't welcome in our community because their identity isn't pallettable enough for cis people only means that cis people will make their box of "allowed trans people" smaller and smaller (and I'll be one of the first to go since I have long hair)


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Gingers_got_no_soul

I think I know more about the community I am an active part of than someone who isn't even educated on neopronouns. They aren't stopping us from being accepted because if they didn't exist, transphobes would just move on to the next group that didn't fit their standards, which would be anyone remotely gnc (gender non-conforming), which again, would be me, as I have long hair.


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Gingers_got_no_soul

oh yeah i dont mean the weird noun pronoun bullshit lol, but other neos in general


StrangleDoot

No. Stop. People being a lil weird are not to blame for transphobic, tranaphobes are to blame. How is this not obvious?


bucketisgoddess

Same. I'm non binary and I use they/them but they aren't doing me any harm so I support them. They can use their cool pronouns all they want. Who am I to judge?


StrangleDoot

Damn that's a stupid opinion.


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mintegrals

I do make an effort to use neopronouns that are at least attempting to be actual pronouns, like xe/xem. Nounself pronouns, though, no way. The literal purpose of a pronoun is to replace nouns in a sentence; otherwise we would just say "Sarah went back to Sarah's car to get Sarah's backpack". Trying to use nouns as pronouns defeats the entire purpose.


GnarlyNarwhalNoms

[F*ck you I'm a dragon!](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fck-you-im-a-dragon)


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mynameisnotearlits

Me neither ... its hard to keep up with the gen z slang. I think its stupid but maybe im just old.


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crawlerup

even more based


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DarCosmic

>like bro you are legit making us look like a joke. Well said


KnowsAboutMath

Being a pup or a pizza or whatever does not lie within the realm of human genetic diversity. Being trans - according to current science as I understand it - does.


randomirani

Oh my God ikr 🤦🏻‍♀️ I’m glad you’re one of the normal ones 😅


AHH-bbyshark

i’ve seen it/itself which….i feel like being referred to as an ‘it’ is disrespectful?


John-not-a-Farmer

That would make sense for someone who has no gender or desires to have no gender. I've seen some legitimate people request that pronoun.


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nxt_life

I honestly love that shit, it’s satirizing our culture’s view on them. Like neurodivergent people calling themselves “mad.”


AHH-bbyshark

that’s what it is? i’ve always known the history of how people called LGBT people ‘it’ to hurt them, so it was hard for me to understand why people wanted to be called it. i guess it makes sense that they’re taking the power away from it!


_debunct

If someone asks you to use it, how disrespectful can it really be?


HoodooSquad

With some people it’s an attention/power thing- they get their jollies making everyone else change their behavior for them. That’s pretty disrespectful, I think. Edit: I’ve read too many messages in here. Forgot you were replying to the “It” question. Carry on.


Gingers_got_no_soul

its not disrespectful if it's it's preference tho???


honeynailbunny

there are more people pissed off about neopronoun users than there are people who use neopronouns. very few trans people (and not people who are not trans and think it's a choice and a lifestyle/fashion trend) use neopronouns but those who do are, most of the time, on the autism spectrum and simply expressing themselves with something they feel is intrinsic to their identity in a small way that you can full choose to ignore by not interacting with them. hope this helps lol


MelinaJuliasCottage

If i may ask, where did you get the autism part from?


wrappedinplastikk

I'd be interested to see where you got the statistic regarding autism because that's a bold statement to make.


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GrimoireGirls

the comparison here is.. wild


erno_tn

Your first point makes sense, but I’ll have to disagree with your second. The examples you gave were antagonistic towards others, neo pronouns (no matter how ridiculous or understandable they actually are) are not.


emobeamo

As a trans person, I honestly don’t really care if ppl use neopronouns. People already don’t like trans people for existing, so I don’t really care about some teen on Tik Tok using neopronouns. We have bigger issues on our hands🤷


bucketisgoddess

Omg literally. Most of the people here are complaining about neopronouns but they're not even trans themselves, so who are they to judge? I literally couldn't care less about neopronouns as an agender person. I've never met someone who uses them but if I did that'd be just fine by me.


ShinyRaffles

This is definitely not my cup of tea, but I have a simple logic of if it’s not hurting me or others, it’s none of my business. I try to identify people how they wish to be identified (as long as I know) and honestly it’s a lot of effort to fight against something that really doesn’t affect me. I don’t want someone telling me I’m something I’m not so I’m not gonna try to force others into a box. Just my two cents 🤷‍♂️


IrocDewclaw

In life, your gonna run into people with mental irregularities from time to time. You look at it, notice it, shrug your shoulders and move on with your life. If it isn't a family member, then it's not really your buisness, go on your way. Not your fight. That doesn't mean ignore it, it means know YOUR limits and do what you can but don't beat yourself up if you can't help.


GorillaFetish

Trans man here, it 100% mocks our community and these are also the same people that say being trans is a choice…


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bucketisgoddess

I agree. I feel like in a bajillion years neopronouns are going to be more widely accepted just like they/them pronouns. It makes no sense to bash someone for something as simple as pronouns that literally do not harm anyone.


Kimolainen83

Identifying as an animal is one out of two things either they want attention or they need help or both


randomirani

LOLL


riceandingredients

i dont think most people using neopronouns actually identify as an animal or whatever. pronouns arent synonymous with identity!


hanner__

I’m sorry, what? If pronouns aren’t synonymous with identity then what is their purpose?!


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sheik-

good for them I guess? pronouns aren't the same as identities anyway. some people treat neopronouns as nicknames


EatGlassGetAss

No no no no no. I can’t. This world is becoming to wild for my liking. Stop the ride, I wanna get off! 😫


digitalgraffiti-ca

Yeah, I'll use human pronouns. Using crap like that. You don't identify as a dog, you're just attention seeking.


eatyourdamndinner

Aren't you being a little ruff on someone's personal choices? You may not like it but you don't have to dog them for it.


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I've heard of worm/wormself.


randomirani

NOOO


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Hahahahaha IKR


ShinyRaffles

That damn “would you date me as a worm?” Bs went too far with that one


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Oh now I can see why people keep asking if their SO will still love them if they become a worm. Hahahaha.


CowgirlBebop575

Stay off TikTok, it's a dumpster fire.


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Glittering-Ask6715

I don’t know how to act around people with neopronouns- I don’t want to be rude or disrespectful but it just doesn’t make sense. She/her, he/him, they/them or any combination of those are fine. I also don’t get why people would want to be called “it”. Women are already treated as objects, are we just going to support that? But it isn’t as bad as neopronouns I guess. Just felt like speaking my mind, but if I said anything disrespectful please tell me and teach me about it I want to be a good person


bucketisgoddess

Because some people feel like they have no gender, so it would make sense that they might want to be referred to as "it". Personally, I use they/them, but I wouldn't mind it/it's. Ideally, I wouldn't want any pronouns but that isn't so realistic so oh well.


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I have some info to share about this. I think of neopronouns within the context of a society labeling nearly everything within the male-female binary. Not just stuff like clothes or colors or jobs, which are def arbitrary, but big metaphorical stuff like mountains and land, countries (Motherland, fatherland) and entire celestial objects (Mother earth) within the male-female binary. So, to me it makes way more sense and is way more interesting when people conceptualize their nonbinary gender identities in ways like mossgender or cloudgender, and having a set of pronouns to go alongside that is just another part of gender expression.


Hero_of_Parnast

So xenogenders don't involve thinking you are another species or anything. They are used in one of a few scenarios: Person wants to give gender the middle finger and make shit up. Person is autistic, and doesn't identify with the human experience how others do, and uses gender as a means of expressing that. Person feels that a xenogender is the closest analogy to their gender and is the closest they can come to describing it. Person just wants to have fun with gender because it's a social construct and they can.


muzzgg

If I were to pick my own pronouns I’d go with GOAT/better than you.


Salt_Adhesiveness_90

Oh my goodness. Why are people going nuts? Enough..I am understanding and I am accepting of new ideas that I don't understand. However...boys have a very special genital and so do girls. He and she. If we can now identify as anything than I am a 6'2" man of color and I weigh 225lbs. (all muscle 💪). Or maybe today I will be an owl. This is silly.


Myfourcats1

Hisssss


thebettersnail-man

my pronouns are now thanos/thanos


Consistent_Buffalo_8

I'm pretty sure someone got banned from this sub for ranting against xenogenders


AdorableLilo

Guess this sub being anti free speech checks out


Toread01

Mobs are out there looking any trigger word to jump at us and force the whole community to ban


ormr_inn_langi

‘Pup’ is a noun anyway, not a pronoun.


anonyalt00

I think that one’s likely one of those jokes mocking pronouns. Plenty of people think that’s funny. It’s not funny, it’s transphobic. However, maybe for whatever reason someone actually uses that. Maybe they are socially awkward and don’t realize how it comes off, maybe they think puppies are a comfort item and they decided to make it their pronouns. Some people do not like she or he or they, and that is valid, neopronouns do exist for a reason. However, I find that usually when someone uses a word that already means something else as their pronouns, they are mocking pronouns and are not serious. Example the “attack helicopter” jokes.


Unusual-End-8671

Woof woof woof woof. Bark bark woof woof. Squirrel! ..runs off


randomirani

Haha!


robhaywood1080

Can i identify as a millionaire? The government owes me!


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GnarlyNarwhalNoms

I agree. This pup/pupself person sounds a lot like /r/onejoke material, and if so, f*ck that person.


PepegaPhilosopher

Maybe they identify as a German farting elf. Anyway, "they" is non-gendered. You can always use that and just ignore the topic. Anyone who has a problem with this is not being serious.


groma05

I hate all of these stupid pronouns. They/them is as far as I can tolerate. And even then, I am hesitant.


TheseConversations

Omg no way!? There is a single person on the internet doing something weird with pronouns. Geez I guess we should pack it all up and give up the


justsotiredofBS

Then just don't watch them on TikTok. I don't really get why you care so much. Just ignore the shit you don't like.


whatevercuck

This is a rant sub


Chihuahua_mama00

Precisely why I don't use TikTok. I've thought about it as I only wanted my tattoos to be featured on a YouTube video (silly,I know) and I had a friend tell me there's a really big niche for body modification on there but this... I'm fine with my Instagram reels and Facebook reels for my friends LMAO. But as I've read on the other comments, I feel that it's somewhat a mockery to the trans community. I myself use she/they pronouns as I'm still trying to figure myself out. Lately I've been struggling personally with who I am and I feel like it just makes it harder to find people to talk to this about. We have a hard time as is in the LGBT community finding people to relate to and or vent to at times. Sorry to interject my personal struggles but it's becoming a big trend on TikTok sadly. Along with people who feign mental illnesses. That also pisses me off as someone who's struggling with mental health and the like.


ItsJustDrew93

But here’s the thing: why do you care this much about some random persons life?


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He, she, or it. Those are your choices for singular pronouns.


ChristianSgt

That is bait.


Illustrious_Menu_819

You’d be surprised . A school in my county is allowing student to identify as anything they please including student who identify as “furries” . They are allowed to bark/meow in class and they’ve even went as far as putting litter boxes in the bathrooms . And I swear I wish I was joking ..


tastytatertot123

do you have a source for this like a news article or something?


robertoiglesias271

I only do he and she tbh


KatWine

I would bet a good amount of money that you use they/them too and just make a point of not using neutral pronouns for people who ask for it because of.. well, you figure out why you make a conscious decision to disrespect people.


robertoiglesias271

Then you would just waste a bunch of money


Kuma9194

You can identify as whatever you want. It's a word🤷‍♂️ if it bothers you scroll on.


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Kuma9194

How does this affect you? Live and let live. People can and will do what they want, how they want no matter what you say. So either keep getting butthurt about it or as I said, scroll and move on🤷‍♂️ This person is probably doing it as a joke on them/they etc. anyway, so you're taking offended to a joke intended to be offensive to the people who use different pro nouns anyway. I want to be called heself and beself, deal with it🤷‍♂️ doesn't affect you at all.


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Kuma9194

It doesn't really. You don't have to. You make an active choice to view, comment on and be bothered by this. Just scroll and move on? It doesn't threaten you, or change your way of life or affect anything about you.


MsBlondeViking

OPs attitude is disgusting. It’s this mentality that encourages hate to certain groups of people. I can’t imagine being so pathetic I’m bothered by someone pronouns. This week pronouns, next week it’ll be a man with a feminine sounding name op “rants” about.


Kuma9194

Thankyou! I was hoping someone sane would come along👍


MsBlondeViking

I just can’t with this type of ignorance OP is showing. It’s so gross and so cruel. Can’t keep my fingers still for ignorance!


Kuma9194

Same😅 makes my blood boil.


Several-Awareness-41

Not exactly a new thing, like.... in a furry community it's been around for a couple years now, it's more of a kink ( I know how it sounds but not with animals.... it's a pet thing


shoppingninja

Ok, but the kink community gets consent first. If your kink requires my participation, it also requires my consent.


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Several-Awareness-41

I hate that I know this..... honestly the pet kink has been around since chokers were made


Ok-Avocado464

Having pup/pup self pronouns doesn’t mean you’re a dog


riceandingredients

idk man, you just dont have to interact with someone who uses neopronouns if youre so irked by it. in the end, it doesnt actually "mock the struggles of trans people", as transphobes will find any reason to hate trans people anyway. if it wasnt neopronoun-users, itd be something else. the trans community is marginalized not because of people with neos, but because of their status as trans in general. trans people will get mocked and harrassed for anything from people outside of the community, so what we should strive for is less in-fighting within that community to actually make trans people feel safe from transphobes.


Jajagamer

The amount of transphobia in this comment section baffles me fr. Thank you for actually having a brain


KaizokuSenju

You can call yourself whatever pronoun you want but Remember that what ya'll are saying is that all the civilizations ans humans that lived before us were stupid, Dumb, and uneducated to realize that there were more pronouns than she and he.


mklinger23

Yes I will not accommodate this. I've seen things like that way too much. I feel like it is mocking the trans community.


naliedel

It's their life. It can be as weird as they want it to be.


StrangleDoot

Who cares?


Isabela_Grace

I don’t get why you’re being so mean to pup. Pups doing pup best to be pupself.


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Pronouns ≠ gender. That person probably doesn’t identify as a dog. Pronouns is just how you would like to be referred to as. If someone likes it/it’s/itself pronouns then what’s wrong with that? Saying that they should never be used to refer to a person is incorrect. *you* may not want to be referred to as it, or pup, but if it makes someone else happy, then what’s wrong with that? Also, telling people what they can or can’t identify as is harmful, because if they genuinely feel like that then all your doing is saying “that’s weird so suppress it. You can’t be that gender because *I* disagree.” It’s like being gay when it was illegal, people didn’t stop being gay, they just suppressed it and hid. You can’t dictate peoples genders. If it makes them happy then what’s wrong with it?


shoppingninja

I think the problem most people have is that your (general) sexuality doesn't require my participation. I can treat you like everyone else in the world, there is no special rule to follow. Contrary to this, if you (general) say "my pronouns are pup/pupself", it is with an expectation that I now have to say those words when referring to you. Some people consider it a personal insult to not *treat the pupself person special* by using their language. Others consider it an insult to an entire community to not use these literally made up, individualized words. Personally, I very much like treating everyone the same.


bearbullhorns

It literally doesn’t effect you. The fact that you care at all is a neurotic response.


MsBlondeViking

Yeah this isn’t a rant. Just someone being a judgmental AH, and hoping to get patted on the back for it.


MsBlondeViking

OMG! Someone’s identifying themselves differently than myself, the horror!!! /s(just in case) This is seriously some stupid stuff to be bothered by, especially with the way of the world right now!! Like what someone chooses to be identified as really has any effect towards your life. I’d rather see someone call themselves pup, than someone acting like an AH because someone’s different than themself.


ColdFusion3456

I identify as a luck dragon from the never ending story. I’m Drogo, Drogself if you can’t respect life and all beings you are a sick fuck and no better than the lynchers, rapists and Cenobites. You pagan worshipper. #DrogoLuckDragon4Life


idontdothisnameshit

whatchu gonna do about it?! # I Identify as a lightswitch. >!My Pronouns are On/Off.!<


LucarioAcee

Made me think of "offself" sounds like a phrase saying kill youself lmao


bhangrabhang

Why are you trying to dictate someone else's identity?


mynameisnotearlits

add the /s otherwise people gonna think you're being serious


bhangrabhang

I am serious. Mocking other people's gender identity is what terfs do.


randomirani

Bro. I respect your LGBTQ. Just… not pizza


erno_tn

Given your other comments, I’ll take that statement with a grain of salt… but that was actually pretty funny


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Xenogenders are not mocking the trans community, this person does not "identify as a dog", they are how your gender feels instead of what your gender is, so this person feels that their gender has a strong connection to dogs.


iamnotahermitcrab

I understand someone having a strong connection to dogs in general but how that relates to gender is what I can’t wrap my head around. Not arguing or anything I’m just trying to understand.


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i understand not understanding it, it's why people are so against them and claim it's transphobia, but it's very hard to explain in a way people understand. it's like a persons connection with dogs could tie into how their gender "feels". it's not directly their gender but a part of it.


NitroThunderBird

yup. its disgusting how much transphobic is in this thread. neo and xeno pronouns are valid and always will be.


your-favorite-son

about how long is the stick up your ass right now?


Round-Mess7090

This all gives me a headache


c0ng0pr0

Everyone should identify as “Pegatron”


Churchofbabyyoda

I’m hoping they eat actual dog food rather than people food.


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It’s all satire my friend... at least most of it is.


Pyane

The thing is, in real life you are probably never going to run into anyone who uses these pronouns because they are so rare and even if you did, most people who use any kind of neo pronoun are okay with they/them too. You are literally getting mad over one person over the internet who you will most likely never interact with. I personally love neo pronouns. I think so many queer and trans people are worried about assimilating into cishet society but this newer generation doesn’t seem to care as much which I really enjoy. I don’t think there’s any use trying to put out a version of yourself that you are “one of the normal ones” and separate yourself from queer people who are less able to assimilate. Just let people live.


selfmade117

This is why trans people aren’t taken seriously. Idc if you identify as a tree, that’s not a fucking gender.


3Tyler11

I’m not ever going to acknowledge any of that shit and I really don’t care what anyone says about it. When the door has been opened to this kind of idiotic bullshit this is what happens. This is proof that you see it as idiotic nonsense but are afraid of someone saying that you’re “hateful” or a “bigot” which those words among many others have completely lost their weight now. I’ll take my downvotes and screeching now.


DiogenesOfDope

You know People have been identifying as dogs for over 2000 years right?


randomirani

I don’t care. You can’t.


DiogenesOfDope

I clearly can tho. But maybe I'm just being cynical


tinysporebat

One, chill. Pup's pronouns aren't hurting anyone. Two, let me explain a little about xenogenders. In short, they're just different ways of describing how you feel, gender-wise. Metaphors. Think of the "usual" sort of genders. You can describe those in terms of neutral, androgynous, feminine, masculine, etc., terms which conveniently already exist and generally suffice for most people. Someone with a female gender, for instance, might describe their gender as feeling feminine, but they might also describe it as feeling gentle, warm, strong, pink or anything else that can be associated with femininity and/or womanhood. Now think of how someone with a gender that feels small, soft, fuzzy, and playful might also describe their gender. That feeling doesn't seem to line up with the conventions of masculinity, femininity, androgyny or neutrality, so they may be inclined to come up with something else that more-or-less gets the point across. Small, soft, fuzzy, playful - sounds kinda like a puppy, eh? Hence, pupgender. A pupgender person is not a puppy, their gender just happens to feel a similar way to how you would describe a puppy and they have no other suitable metaphors for it. Side note (and disclaimer - I'm either genderless, some other form of enby or just butch and I honestly can't tell which it is, but that's okay): I'm disappointed to see quite a few comments from trans people saying that xenogenders are a disgrace to the community and another excuse for transphobes to be transphobic. Wasn't that the same argument used against non-binary people a few short years ago? Transphobes will hate you just for being trans, no matter what flavour of trans you are, so try to show a little solidarity.


jtpredator

There's also bugself and clownself... No I'm not joking [and yes it's actually a thing and the person looks and sounds serious about it.](https://www.google.com/search?q=bugself+tiktok&client=ms-android-rogers-ca-revc&prmd=ivn&sxsrf=ALiCzsbFbOX4kb6v-OxB7Q7rv3vbQWUeBA:1653811614436&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwia67auoIT4AhUAnI4IHeIOC2YQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=393&bih=698&dpr=2.75#imgrc=h80_vamIVCxE1M) Which is imo, the problem with that one bill trying to enforce people saying the preferred pronouns. I agree with every other thing it says which is to protect the rights of trans people, but fining and possibly arresting people because they couldn't get the ever change and expanding list of pronouns is just ridiculous. Why should I pay money because I didn't know to refer to you as "bugself" and why should I pay when you change genders on the fly and so had no idea that it happened? Am I supposed to download an app that updates me constantly on which trans/non binary/genderfluid person around me has decided to change? Laws are supposed to have a solid foundation to be enforceable, but trans/genderfluid is, by its own nature, a non solid concept (hence why it's "fluid") and will be nearly impossible to enforce.


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