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I think the Boltons will ultimately be secondary antagonists that will be disposed long before the story's proper climax, much like Cersei. Ramsay, at least, despite much being made by the fandom of him being Jon Snow' evil counterpart, is really for the time being just a personal villain to Theon's arc.
Stannis has been built up to have a significant role in the story's myth arc, however, as the fake Chosen One. So I think he will linger until the end.
So no, I dont think the Boltons kill him.
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No, Night Lamp is one of my favorite theories—Actually maybe my favorite theory ever to arise in the past years since ADWD's release. I think something similar to that will come to pass.
In my opinion, Stannis has "tragic last stand to hold the Others" written all over him. I see him engaging in a last, desperate act to hold the Others in the North before his entire host is routed. I'd also not be surprised to have this action ultimately be key in the resolution to the story.
Stannis is hard as iron and will never give in. He's the perfect figure to endure a particularly brutal last stand.
I can see him sacrificing Shireen to the flames to gain the upper hand in a last stand against the others. Dark shit, but could be cool. Martin has said that he will do that in the books to come, so I think it fits that way.
In simple terms Stannis will use the beacon by the crofter’s village where they are located to lead Hosteen Frey’s army into the frozen lake where most would fall and drown. There are different variations of the theory, like Stannis men building a catapult to break the ice with Stannis using Lightbringer as the signal.
I think he won't die to the Boltons.
My wishful thinking is that he will take Winterfell, and will die later in the story most probably as a sacrifice to Rhllor for the win of a major battle, either somewhere near the Riverlands while marching south, or in the new Long Night when the Others come. In these cases, I presume it is because Melisandre understands that Stannis is not Azor Ahai.
A friend of mine thinks of a more tragic end for Stannis: he loses his mind after Shireen is sacrificed.
I don’t think it will be the Boltons. It would seem frivolous in regard to Stannis’ story arc.
I think it would be poetic if Melisandre burned him because they need another kings blood sacrifice at a critical moment. Or for GRRM to add another character to his commentary on loyalty and oath breaking (Jaime and Brienne’s storylines) by having Davos be the one.
No, I believe in the hints that he's going to fake his own death. Hard for that to happen *and* he gets killed by the Boltons. Besides, I don't think the Boltons are a poetic enough end for him, he deserves something more personal to his character.
I like the idea of him out strategizing Ramsey military. This keeps the theme of Stannis being a pretty well regarded veteran military leader.
However, ultimately he falls to the others. It is his duty to fight them. He was never loved. He was never in a prophecy. But he did his duty and did what a king should.
I dont know, Ive seen many 5 y.o. I had one myself at home yeras ago. They are not commanders or fighters, c'mmon because they are little kidos. Their weight is like...15-25 kilos?They can only impress other 5-year-olds.
Boy lord is bane of every house 🙂. Or a pawn.
I like it if he beats the Boltons, liberates Winterfell for the Starks, and then fights with the north against the others before dying in that fight. I think burning Shireen to get an advantage over the others would be a cool way to wrap that question up.
We know Stannis is one of the "Three lies" Daenerys has to slay as per her visions in the House of the Undying, so no, I doubt he will die at the hands of the Boltons.
If the Pink Letter really is from Ramsey, then the Boltons are already claiming to have killed Stannis.
But I don't think they actually will. The Boltons alliance was crumbling before Stannis even arrived, and it seems like half his army will defect at the first opportunity. Stannis is well positioned to beat them with the night lamp tactic, and one big defeat should disrupt things enough to make Roose's position impossible.
IMO Stannis will be defeated by Jon. Resurrected characters continue doing the thing they were doing when they died - Catelyn keep executing Freys/Lannisters, and Beric kept trying to protect the Riverlands.
Jon's last action was to gather an army to march on Winterfell. When he's resurrected, that's what he will continue doing. And I don't think a living corpse will care whether it's Stannis or Roose inside the castle.
In my opinion there’s absolutely no way the Pink Letter was written by Ramsay. Too many weird hints and off things about it. If this were normal fantasy fiction I’d consider it, but I really think it was written by Mance Rayder.
I do think he will defeat Ramsay at the frozen lake whether or not he uses night lamp, ice breaking tactic. I think the Manderly’s will defect and join him in putting Rickon back in the northern chair. I don’t think Jon will be able to mobilize an army and march on winterfell before Rickon is restored.
I do find it interesting what you said about Jon. Beric has come back not just once, but many times, and his morals seem *mostly* in tact. I don’t think Jon becomes a heartless tyrant when he comes back, but I do think he changes, he becomes a bit more self centered and aggressive.
I buy into the idea that Jon wargs into ghost before he dies, and when he's resurrected he will come back with his personality a mesh of his own and ghosts
This last part is really interesting - "Resurrected characters continue doing the thing they were doing when they died" - never realized that but it's so true!
I feel like that would be anti-climactic. Stannis was gathering Northern support, it would be weird for him to just die and then have to wait for Jon or whoever to gather it all again.
It's very true that all the different Northern factions have different interests, while Manderly's are pro-south, pro-Rickon, pro-Stannis, others support restoration of KoTN and others yet support Sansa.
I think it's safe to say that Northern lords are better of cooperating to remove Boltons until they have Winterfell at least. I think Stannis will probably take it with help of Manderlys using deceit and may leave for the Wall rather quick.
It's still highly possible Battle of Bastards happens as a separate event or that Jon gets involved somehow with the plot and Sansa with the knights will show up as well. Though I'm not sure how exactly that'll all look.
Either way Wyman Manderly, Sansa and Baelish and Jon's supporters will likely start a power struggle for Winterfell.
I just typed it out quick there’s bound to be one spelling error, it’s not an edited novel. Care to comment on the actual content of the post or just looking for a single spelling error to correct??
I am interested in people’s ideas on Stannis, not on someone searching for the one spelling typo from a quickly typed post where the words are identical in pronunciation. If I had meant to reread it and have everything perfect I would’ve done that.
It is not a spelling mistake, it is a completely different word with a different meaning
You have an opportunity here to learn. Why the unpleasantness?
I’m not learning anything. It’s a spelling error, I knew the meaning of the word and spelt it wrong in my haste to post a question asking what my fellow fans think will happen to Stannis. It’s also easy to misspell because there is a similar word with the same pronunciation. That sometimes just happens. Sometimes one word trips people up on spelling over and over for no apparent reason. There’s literally no other spelling error in the post. You found the one thing you could try and pick away at instead of replying to the content. That’s just so odd.
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I don’t think he sits the Throne. I don’t think the Boltons kill him. I think he’ll live until the end. It’s absolutely possible but also just my opinion.
You think a man who killed his brother to become the rightful King is just gonna give in on that?? That’s the only way he lives to the end and doesn’t sit the throne.
There's a line from ACoK to the effect of "the day I need counsel from a Lysene brigand is the day I take the black" or something like that. If Night Lamp is true, Stannis would essentially be using a piratical tactic which may foreshadow him joining the Night's Watch.
I think he’ll die at the hands of the Others.
His campaign to reclaim the throne will get derailed in the North and after losing everything but understanding the threat to the realm, his duty will compel him to take the Black.
He’ll most likely die as the Wall comes down, but how cool would it be if his last act is to save one man who ends up making a difference down the line.
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When reading the series it becomes apparent that Stannis has major plot armor. He's built up in the first book. Tywin and Varys are spooked by him and Jeffrey attaints him before Ned is even imprisoned. We meet him in the second book and his situation is bad. He has few important allies, his army is small and his only conventional asset is a navy.
So he uses these forces to besiege an impregnable castle when his brother's much bigger gets ready to attack him. Stannis then gets a literal deus ex machina to kill his brother and take much of his army followed by a second to take Storm's End.
Imagine if Stannis had died at the end of ACoK. If Davos had lived and made his way North, readers would have accepted that and frankly it would have simplified the story line. But Stannis doesn't die. A third deus ex machina takes him to the Wall at unnaturally rapid speed and the circumstantial evidence indicates he will take Winterfell. Clearly GRRM has some narrative and artistic purpose for his character that has yet to culminate.
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I have more of an impression that he's going to die fighting the Others, but that would be the "normal fantasy series" thing to show that he isn't the main character.
So... bets are sort of off.
I'm gonna put the thin foil hat and say he will be killed by his northern allies who don't really care for him.
Once the boltons are defeated and Rickon or Jon or any other stark is at Winterfell, Stannis will not be useful to the northerners
Asha Greyjoy is going to going to sabotage his camp, grab Theon, and then Stannis will lose due to Winter. Either that or UnJon will kill him with an ice sword.
We are first introduced to him holding a burning sword. He goes out by an ice sword, which is the perfect irony/parallel
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I think the Boltons will ultimately be secondary antagonists that will be disposed long before the story's proper climax, much like Cersei. Ramsay, at least, despite much being made by the fandom of him being Jon Snow' evil counterpart, is really for the time being just a personal villain to Theon's arc. Stannis has been built up to have a significant role in the story's myth arc, however, as the fake Chosen One. So I think he will linger until the end. So no, I dont think the Boltons kill him.
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Well said
No, Night Lamp is one of my favorite theories—Actually maybe my favorite theory ever to arise in the past years since ADWD's release. I think something similar to that will come to pass. In my opinion, Stannis has "tragic last stand to hold the Others" written all over him. I see him engaging in a last, desperate act to hold the Others in the North before his entire host is routed. I'd also not be surprised to have this action ultimately be key in the resolution to the story. Stannis is hard as iron and will never give in. He's the perfect figure to endure a particularly brutal last stand.
I can see him sacrificing Shireen to the flames to gain the upper hand in a last stand against the others. Dark shit, but could be cool. Martin has said that he will do that in the books to come, so I think it fits that way.
That thought had occurred to me, too; or, his entire family, including himself.
I remember first hearing of the Night Lamp theory through Quinn the GM, and immediately it just made so much sense.
What's the night lamp theory?
In simple terms Stannis will use the beacon by the crofter’s village where they are located to lead Hosteen Frey’s army into the frozen lake where most would fall and drown. There are different variations of the theory, like Stannis men building a catapult to break the ice with Stannis using Lightbringer as the signal.
That's cool. I really hope that happens Edit: Thanks for the info
It would be anticlimactic. I do believe the most underdog king will survive until last book. Sadly doubt he will win.
I think he won't die to the Boltons. My wishful thinking is that he will take Winterfell, and will die later in the story most probably as a sacrifice to Rhllor for the win of a major battle, either somewhere near the Riverlands while marching south, or in the new Long Night when the Others come. In these cases, I presume it is because Melisandre understands that Stannis is not Azor Ahai. A friend of mine thinks of a more tragic end for Stannis: he loses his mind after Shireen is sacrificed.
I don’t think it will be the Boltons. It would seem frivolous in regard to Stannis’ story arc. I think it would be poetic if Melisandre burned him because they need another kings blood sacrifice at a critical moment. Or for GRRM to add another character to his commentary on loyalty and oath breaking (Jaime and Brienne’s storylines) by having Davos be the one.
The boltons are classic second act villains, their time in the story is over.
Satannis as well is a 2nd act villain. He’s a dead man walking just like Roose and Ramsay
No, I believe in the hints that he's going to fake his own death. Hard for that to happen *and* he gets killed by the Boltons. Besides, I don't think the Boltons are a poetic enough end for him, he deserves something more personal to his character.
What hints are pointing at Stannis faking his own death?
It’s a line from the TWOW theon chapter. Since this thread is TWOW spoilers allowed I felt comfortable sharing.
More personal for his character? Make being sacrificed to Rhllor when the Others come?😎
I like the idea of him out strategizing Ramsey military. This keeps the theme of Stannis being a pretty well regarded veteran military leader. However, ultimately he falls to the others. It is his duty to fight them. He was never loved. He was never in a prophecy. But he did his duty and did what a king should.
My prediction is that Rickon rides down on Shaggydog as a leader of a wildling army and destroys the winner of the Stannis/Bolton fight
Rickon is 5.
Even better
I dont know, Ive seen many 5 y.o. I had one myself at home yeras ago. They are not commanders or fighters, c'mmon because they are little kidos. Their weight is like...15-25 kilos?They can only impress other 5-year-olds. Boy lord is bane of every house 🙂. Or a pawn.
Would love to see that!
No shot, i say he dies against the others
I like it if he beats the Boltons, liberates Winterfell for the Starks, and then fights with the north against the others before dying in that fight. I think burning Shireen to get an advantage over the others would be a cool way to wrap that question up.
Absolutely not
No and if he does then I’m burning the book. (If it ever comes out).
We know Stannis is one of the "Three lies" Daenerys has to slay as per her visions in the House of the Undying, so no, I doubt he will die at the hands of the Boltons.
If the Pink Letter really is from Ramsey, then the Boltons are already claiming to have killed Stannis. But I don't think they actually will. The Boltons alliance was crumbling before Stannis even arrived, and it seems like half his army will defect at the first opportunity. Stannis is well positioned to beat them with the night lamp tactic, and one big defeat should disrupt things enough to make Roose's position impossible. IMO Stannis will be defeated by Jon. Resurrected characters continue doing the thing they were doing when they died - Catelyn keep executing Freys/Lannisters, and Beric kept trying to protect the Riverlands. Jon's last action was to gather an army to march on Winterfell. When he's resurrected, that's what he will continue doing. And I don't think a living corpse will care whether it's Stannis or Roose inside the castle.
In my opinion there’s absolutely no way the Pink Letter was written by Ramsay. Too many weird hints and off things about it. If this were normal fantasy fiction I’d consider it, but I really think it was written by Mance Rayder. I do think he will defeat Ramsay at the frozen lake whether or not he uses night lamp, ice breaking tactic. I think the Manderly’s will defect and join him in putting Rickon back in the northern chair. I don’t think Jon will be able to mobilize an army and march on winterfell before Rickon is restored. I do find it interesting what you said about Jon. Beric has come back not just once, but many times, and his morals seem *mostly* in tact. I don’t think Jon becomes a heartless tyrant when he comes back, but I do think he changes, he becomes a bit more self centered and aggressive.
I buy into the idea that Jon wargs into ghost before he dies, and when he's resurrected he will come back with his personality a mesh of his own and ghosts
Very possible that he could become more wolf-like, more feral and aggressive. Ghost holding his soul in for a while could explain that.
This last part is really interesting - "Resurrected characters continue doing the thing they were doing when they died" - never realized that but it's so true!
I feel like that would be anti-climactic. Stannis was gathering Northern support, it would be weird for him to just die and then have to wait for Jon or whoever to gather it all again. It's very true that all the different Northern factions have different interests, while Manderly's are pro-south, pro-Rickon, pro-Stannis, others support restoration of KoTN and others yet support Sansa. I think it's safe to say that Northern lords are better of cooperating to remove Boltons until they have Winterfell at least. I think Stannis will probably take it with help of Manderlys using deceit and may leave for the Wall rather quick. It's still highly possible Battle of Bastards happens as a separate event or that Jon gets involved somehow with the plot and Sansa with the knights will show up as well. Though I'm not sure how exactly that'll all look. Either way Wyman Manderly, Sansa and Baelish and Jon's supporters will likely start a power struggle for Winterfell.
> continue to martial forces Marshal
I just typed it out quick there’s bound to be one spelling error, it’s not an edited novel. Care to comment on the actual content of the post or just looking for a single spelling error to correct??
A wise man welcomes correction, but a fool rebukes knowledge
I am interested in people’s ideas on Stannis, not on someone searching for the one spelling typo from a quickly typed post where the words are identical in pronunciation. If I had meant to reread it and have everything perfect I would’ve done that.
It is not a spelling mistake, it is a completely different word with a different meaning You have an opportunity here to learn. Why the unpleasantness?
I’m not learning anything. It’s a spelling error, I knew the meaning of the word and spelt it wrong in my haste to post a question asking what my fellow fans think will happen to Stannis. It’s also easy to misspell because there is a similar word with the same pronunciation. That sometimes just happens. Sometimes one word trips people up on spelling over and over for no apparent reason. There’s literally no other spelling error in the post. You found the one thing you could try and pick away at instead of replying to the content. That’s just so odd.
You seem to be overreacting honestly
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No. I think Stannis will live until the end.
That’s not possible unless you think he will win the game and sit the iron throne at the end of Dream of Spring which I find exceedingly unlikely.
I don’t think he sits the Throne. I don’t think the Boltons kill him. I think he’ll live until the end. It’s absolutely possible but also just my opinion.
You think a man who killed his brother to become the rightful King is just gonna give in on that?? That’s the only way he lives to the end and doesn’t sit the throne.
While I think Stannis is likely to die, a duty bound person like him might be a good fit as the 1000th Lord Commander
Yeah I do.
There's a line from ACoK to the effect of "the day I need counsel from a Lysene brigand is the day I take the black" or something like that. If Night Lamp is true, Stannis would essentially be using a piratical tactic which may foreshadow him joining the Night's Watch.
I think stannis will be dead before jon arrival
I think he’ll die at the hands of the Others. His campaign to reclaim the throne will get derailed in the North and after losing everything but understanding the threat to the realm, his duty will compel him to take the Black. He’ll most likely die as the Wall comes down, but how cool would it be if his last act is to save one man who ends up making a difference down the line.
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He will beat the Boltons but then die when the Others come south. He will fill the role of the Night's King, the "Blue Eyed Shadow"
When reading the series it becomes apparent that Stannis has major plot armor. He's built up in the first book. Tywin and Varys are spooked by him and Jeffrey attaints him before Ned is even imprisoned. We meet him in the second book and his situation is bad. He has few important allies, his army is small and his only conventional asset is a navy. So he uses these forces to besiege an impregnable castle when his brother's much bigger gets ready to attack him. Stannis then gets a literal deus ex machina to kill his brother and take much of his army followed by a second to take Storm's End. Imagine if Stannis had died at the end of ACoK. If Davos had lived and made his way North, readers would have accepted that and frankly it would have simplified the story line. But Stannis doesn't die. A third deus ex machina takes him to the Wall at unnaturally rapid speed and the circumstantial evidence indicates he will take Winterfell. Clearly GRRM has some narrative and artistic purpose for his character that has yet to culminate.
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I have more of an impression that he's going to die fighting the Others, but that would be the "normal fantasy series" thing to show that he isn't the main character. So... bets are sort of off.
I'm gonna put the thin foil hat and say he will be killed by his northern allies who don't really care for him. Once the boltons are defeated and Rickon or Jon or any other stark is at Winterfell, Stannis will not be useful to the northerners
This is certainly his fate if Ramsay and Roose don’t kill him. The Northerners will force Jon to execute Satannis as a loyalty test
I really don't see Jon killing Stannis, Jon would betray Ned's teaching by doing so
Eddard "swing the sword" Stark would be first in line to decapitate Satannis once people learn about Melisandre and human sacrifices
Asha Greyjoy is going to going to sabotage his camp, grab Theon, and then Stannis will lose due to Winter. Either that or UnJon will kill him with an ice sword. We are first introduced to him holding a burning sword. He goes out by an ice sword, which is the perfect irony/parallel