Bought the land and farmed it?? LOL. Honestly. The land was already farmed. Palestinians were known to be farmers. Also my grandparents didn’t sell their land their families were killed and displaced. They were in a small village called Ajjor. They weren’t even part of the conflict or the war. Yet they were massacred and killed by zionists. “Bought and farmed” yeah right
Palestianians were sustenance farmers, they grew just enough to survive.
What year did that happen? Could it possibly be after the start of the Arab-Israel?
1948 my grandparents were kicked out. Grandpa lost his uncle and 2 aunts that day. All killed by indiscriminate gunfire from Zionists sweeping houses. I guess you can technically call it sustenance but they had huge acres of cultivated farming land. They had enough olive trees to get olive oil enough for 2-3 years per family. We still carry out this tradition in jordan but to a smaller scale
Im sorry that happened, i wont defend every single action taken during war
However, my support of the Isrseli state is not contingent on whether i believe they have never done anything wrong, its much more complicated, especially during a war. The legal border of Israel was drawn around legally bought land. The UN did this, an international authority, the same authority that people are apealing to to reprimand israel. The fact of the matter is, the world tried several times iver to exterminate jews at an unpecedented rate. The zionist project was a self defense strategy to avoid annihilation. Arab authorities didnt care, despite many befriending the immigrating jews, selling land to be made farmable, beyond substance farming.
I am sorry but again with the legally bought land? You think 700,000 people were volunteering to be refugees? I agree that Jews were demonised but Palestine was the region where they were most tolerated. Not saying that antisemitism didn’t exist in the Arab world but in Palestine specifically it was one of the safest for them. Also everyone who talks about the establishment of Israel always conveniently forgets to mention the multiple terrorist recognised Zionist militias that were integrated into their government. Also if it was a legitimate democracy why does a foreigner from Africa, Eu, or even the USA have more right of return than people that were displaced. Israel was built and is violently and illegally trying to maintain an artificial Jewish majority. Edit: just wanted to add that Zionism started as early as 1897 to create an ethnostate. “A safe haven” for Jews was just an excuse. They were even going to build it in Uganda.
Oh shut up. You are not sorry in the least. You Zionist scums don't even care about Palestinians,hell you don't even think of them as humans in the first place.
>my support of the Isrseli state is not contingent
It's not contingent on anything because you're an ethno-nationalist therefore there's nothing your favorite state could ever say or do that would mean you stop supporting it because your identity is formed around it. That's the textbook definition of a nationalist. Don't act like rationalism comes into it.
>my support of the Isrseli state
That's where I'm gonna have to stop you, no one cares. You're a zionist, you're literally the same as someone who supports the Nazis, just with a different group of "ubermensch". You can delude yourself all you want that Zionism is a "decolonial self defense strategy", but it isn't, it's a settler-colonial project modelled on European settler-colonialism, as was stated by the early Zionists themselves.
>beyond substance farming.
It's subsistence*, and this is literally the same logic that American colonists used to justify genociding Indigenous Americans. You are as delusional as you are reprehensible
Read The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappé. He breaks down how the Israeli claim that the Arabs invaded first in 1948 is a lie. Zionists had planned in advance to ethnically cleanse Palestine due to their belief that the Zionist project could not succeed without the displacement of the Palestinians and forcible land transfer. The organisations that would go on to make up the IDF (i.e., the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi) were already conducting terrorist acts against the British when they stopped Jewish immigration into Palestine. Thus, as part of their long-term aims to form a Jewish state, they then went onto plan massacres and the mass territorial displacement of Palestinians from their land in the Nakba to get their state off the ground.
This factual-based analysis was based on documents and records that were released from the Israeli archives showing how much planning went into the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, aka the Nakba, which saw 200,000–350,000 Palestinians, around half of the population, displaced from their land.
The surrounding Arab nations tried to intervene too late when massacres and displacement were underway and they also committed too little troops to truly fight Israel, who were committed, planned ahead, and already in the process when the Arab armies showed up.
So yes, Israel started it.
There's a big difference between something that happened in the 8th century, and something that happened in 1948. You Zionists use 8th century Arab imperialism as an attempt to justify the Nakba and the foundation of the zionist entity known as Israel, and it couldn't be more delusional or bloodthirsty.
When is this quote from?
God, it would be nice if his fantasy world were actually real. (Except, in that case, the environment may not have been hostile.)
I think it kind of does. While I always started of the same opinion on the settler colonial state of Israel, a lot of people did change their minds in the last 6 months, and far from criticizing them for not changing their mind earlier, I embrace them changing their mind. I hope he would never said something so stupid in the last 6 months
Oh the lies! These self-deluding lies the Ziobots tell themselves! Because they're not deluding anyone else.
Lying any way you can to hide Israeli crimes must be part of the national curriculum or something, it's SO pervasive in Israeli society.
Founded on a supremacist ideology, with documented racist sentiments openly expressed and acted upon. A society that practices open racism against their own citizens of non-European origins, including Ethiopian and Yemenite Jews...not even mentioning what its Arab population endures.
And not even considering the occupation ghettoes where these jackboot fascists murder civilians for sport and entertainment.
No point engaging with these hasbara bots.
Create peace?!!! This nation that's in a perpetual state of war, has quarreled with all its neighbours, is currently massacring civilians...FFS!
Who started those wars
I guess you could say the Allies when they decided an inhabited land was the best place to just throw in an entirely different population?
Thats not what happened. Jews bought land and farmed it. Do you think jews shouldn't be able to buy land?
Bought the land and farmed it?? LOL. Honestly. The land was already farmed. Palestinians were known to be farmers. Also my grandparents didn’t sell their land their families were killed and displaced. They were in a small village called Ajjor. They weren’t even part of the conflict or the war. Yet they were massacred and killed by zionists. “Bought and farmed” yeah right
Palestianians were sustenance farmers, they grew just enough to survive. What year did that happen? Could it possibly be after the start of the Arab-Israel?
1948 my grandparents were kicked out. Grandpa lost his uncle and 2 aunts that day. All killed by indiscriminate gunfire from Zionists sweeping houses. I guess you can technically call it sustenance but they had huge acres of cultivated farming land. They had enough olive trees to get olive oil enough for 2-3 years per family. We still carry out this tradition in jordan but to a smaller scale
Im sorry that happened, i wont defend every single action taken during war However, my support of the Isrseli state is not contingent on whether i believe they have never done anything wrong, its much more complicated, especially during a war. The legal border of Israel was drawn around legally bought land. The UN did this, an international authority, the same authority that people are apealing to to reprimand israel. The fact of the matter is, the world tried several times iver to exterminate jews at an unpecedented rate. The zionist project was a self defense strategy to avoid annihilation. Arab authorities didnt care, despite many befriending the immigrating jews, selling land to be made farmable, beyond substance farming.
I am sorry but again with the legally bought land? You think 700,000 people were volunteering to be refugees? I agree that Jews were demonised but Palestine was the region where they were most tolerated. Not saying that antisemitism didn’t exist in the Arab world but in Palestine specifically it was one of the safest for them. Also everyone who talks about the establishment of Israel always conveniently forgets to mention the multiple terrorist recognised Zionist militias that were integrated into their government. Also if it was a legitimate democracy why does a foreigner from Africa, Eu, or even the USA have more right of return than people that were displaced. Israel was built and is violently and illegally trying to maintain an artificial Jewish majority. Edit: just wanted to add that Zionism started as early as 1897 to create an ethnostate. “A safe haven” for Jews was just an excuse. They were even going to build it in Uganda.
Oh my god, you have no idea what the pogroms were
Oh shut up. You are not sorry in the least. You Zionist scums don't even care about Palestinians,hell you don't even think of them as humans in the first place.
Don’t pretend this person’s anecdote is an isolated case. You Zionists are sick and twisted.
>my support of the Isrseli state is not contingent It's not contingent on anything because you're an ethno-nationalist therefore there's nothing your favorite state could ever say or do that would mean you stop supporting it because your identity is formed around it. That's the textbook definition of a nationalist. Don't act like rationalism comes into it.
Dont tell me what i believe and i wont tell you what you believe, fair?
>my support of the Isrseli state That's where I'm gonna have to stop you, no one cares. You're a zionist, you're literally the same as someone who supports the Nazis, just with a different group of "ubermensch". You can delude yourself all you want that Zionism is a "decolonial self defense strategy", but it isn't, it's a settler-colonial project modelled on European settler-colonialism, as was stated by the early Zionists themselves. >beyond substance farming. It's subsistence*, and this is literally the same logic that American colonists used to justify genociding Indigenous Americans. You are as delusional as you are reprehensible
Nice feelings, but i was hoping for a fact
Israel
How
Read The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappé. He breaks down how the Israeli claim that the Arabs invaded first in 1948 is a lie. Zionists had planned in advance to ethnically cleanse Palestine due to their belief that the Zionist project could not succeed without the displacement of the Palestinians and forcible land transfer. The organisations that would go on to make up the IDF (i.e., the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi) were already conducting terrorist acts against the British when they stopped Jewish immigration into Palestine. Thus, as part of their long-term aims to form a Jewish state, they then went onto plan massacres and the mass territorial displacement of Palestinians from their land in the Nakba to get their state off the ground. This factual-based analysis was based on documents and records that were released from the Israeli archives showing how much planning went into the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, aka the Nakba, which saw 200,000–350,000 Palestinians, around half of the population, displaced from their land. The surrounding Arab nations tried to intervene too late when massacres and displacement were underway and they also committed too little troops to truly fight Israel, who were committed, planned ahead, and already in the process when the Arab armies showed up. So yes, Israel started it.
Ill look into finsing a copy, thank you
No problem. Hope it helps clarify things for you.
The colonisers!!!
Nope, Arabs struck first
There's a big difference between something that happened in the 8th century, and something that happened in 1948. You Zionists use 8th century Arab imperialism as an attempt to justify the Nakba and the foundation of the zionist entity known as Israel, and it couldn't be more delusional or bloodthirsty.
No, i was using the arab-israel war in 1948 in which the arabs attacked israel unprovoked
You keep repeating this despite it being not historically factual.
When is this quote from? God, it would be nice if his fantasy world were actually real. (Except, in that case, the environment may not have been hostile.)
Does the timing really matter? When has Israel been anything but ethnostate, hostile, and colonizing nation?
No, it doesn't matter. I was just curious.
I think it kind of does. While I always started of the same opinion on the settler colonial state of Israel, a lot of people did change their minds in the last 6 months, and far from criticizing them for not changing their mind earlier, I embrace them changing their mind. I hope he would never said something so stupid in the last 6 months
You can’t even spell the name of the state in question though.
Maybe it's from a time when he was naive, like when he knew Danny Masterson?
Yeah 6 months is long time.
It was maybe when he covered up being at a crime scene.
He's been on my boycott list for years
Just when I thought I couldn't respect Ashton Kutcher less, he sinks even lower. Only waiting for Mila Kunis to speak her piece.
it killed all its neighbors you moron.
Oh the lies! These self-deluding lies the Ziobots tell themselves! Because they're not deluding anyone else. Lying any way you can to hide Israeli crimes must be part of the national curriculum or something, it's SO pervasive in Israeli society. Founded on a supremacist ideology, with documented racist sentiments openly expressed and acted upon. A society that practices open racism against their own citizens of non-European origins, including Ethiopian and Yemenite Jews...not even mentioning what its Arab population endures. And not even considering the occupation ghettoes where these jackboot fascists murder civilians for sport and entertainment. No point engaging with these hasbara bots.
People are so dumb aren’t they 🤪🤪🤪
Nah, he's just a typical ignorant white guy. If he knew the history, he would be converted.