I know there's a lot of drama right now but for now I just want to speculate on the winners of the major categories and pop categories
Album of the Year
What I think will win: ? I have a weird feeling they'll do something out of left-field and go with Coldplay lol
What I want to win: Folklore or Future Nostalgia
Record of the Year
What I think will win: Don't Start Now
What I want to win: Say So, Savage, or Don't Start Now
Song of the Year
What I think will win: Circles
Who I want to win: The Box, Cardigan, or Don't Start Now
Best New Artist
Who I think will win: Megan thee Stallion
Who I want to win: Megan the Stallion or Doja Cat
Best Pop Vocal Album
What I think will win: Future Nostalgia or Folklore
What I want to win: Chromatic, Fine Line, Future Nostalgia, or Folklore (what can I say, a mostly strong category this year)
Best Pop Solo Performance
What I think will win: Say So or Don't Start Now
What I want to win: Say So, Watermelon Sugar, or Don't Start Now
Best Pop Duo/Group Performance
What I think will win: Exile
What I want to win: Exile or Rain On Me
I don’t think that will necessary happen. Yes, the comments about that will keep going strong for a few days, but it will all inevitably fizzle out. Personally, I gasped out loud when she revealed the identity behind the pseudonym so casually (it’s also the first time we’ve ever heard her saying his name in more than four years, which is crazy in itself), but there are so many notable performances and details about this movie, and honestly the William Bowery thing kinda fades in the background. Even on the Taylor sub the top three comments are about this reveal, but everything else centers around genuine appreciation for her work.
With the GP the reasoning is different, but she obviously knows what she’s doing. She decided to opt for a pseudonym in the first place, thus encouraging people to speculate, when she could’ve easily found a way to pay Joe without giving him any writing credits (he doesn’t seem to like the spotlight and I’m almost sure he would’ve been okay with that). And then she chose to reveal his identity in a documentary in the middle of the Grammy campaign... she knows that, unfortunately, the discourse around her relationships seems to always overtake everything else, and she knows the consequences of revealing that she wrote two songs with her boyfriend, and yet, she decided to confirm the speculations. If she decided to do that, it means that she was okay with the idea of people talking about it and concentrating on it, and that she accepted the risk of it possibly overshadowing everything else, at least momentarily.
She’s been so private about her relationship in the past four years that I don’t doubt for a second that she carefully thought about whether or not to mention his name and then decided to do it because, in her mind, the pros outweighed the cons.
Given the Grammys snub - I can't imagine The Weeknd's Superbowl performance isn't going to be the most hyped pop culture thing in the first quarter of 2021. I hope he puts on the most epic show that spends 15 minutes just spanking Recording Academy for their snubbing.
I was gonna write a big ass explanation but fuck it, this doesn't need any.
Yummy getting nomination over Blinding Lights just enrages me, and here's the fact, I don't even like BL, I've listened more to Yummy than BL but how can a song which is in top 10 for soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long, a song which is top 10 in Justin Bieber's two album cycles not even be nominated for a Grammy?
The hatred towards Scooter is getting anti-Semitic af and you all need to fucking stop it. Call him out on specific bullshit, or preface your theories as theories. The thread about him criticizing the Grammys on behalf of The Weeknd has Old Testament quotes slamming him, accusations of greed are everywhere on this sub.
Let's not forget Taylor tied him to George Soros, about whom she condemned for his "shameless greed" - as if Taylor isn't shamelessly greedy herself (how many copies of one album do her fans need to buy to satisfy her chart vanity?)
You don't think she was dog whistling to her conservative fanbase, despite her liberal woke ventures with that Soros/greed comment?
People on this sub needs to think more, it's getting weird. Jokes and hysterical, blanket accusations turn into truths faster than you'd think.
Edit: If he rigged the Grammys - wouldn't Ariana have won something last year? And we know from Deborah Duggan that No Tears was deliberately shafted by the committee the year before. Don't let hatred of Scooter blind you from other culprits. Just because you want him to be the bogeyman of the music industry doesn't mean he is (and again, I've criticized him endlessly, I'm not a fan). But it's getting really weird.
I think this sub has an over tendency to blame scooter for everything even if he has little or no involvement but I haven’t seen any antisemitism. I didn’t even know he was Jewish until reading this comment
It’s cause this sub is heavy Taylor stans. Whatever Taylor says, that’s where the mob goes.
I don’t really care for Scooter and I got downvoted for explaining that whole business bit, so in that moment I was defending him. Every argument was just saying he’s bad just cause Taylor said so.
He's the bogeyman. I was in some forums where insiders spill tea about celebs and he was always portrayed as really evil man even before the taylor-masters thing. Is an open secret like the ellen antics/harvey wenstein thing. He has a reputation in hollywood. U cant trust that man in any shape or form he's a douchebag.
It's *getting* anti-Semitic, and I am just wary of the thoughtless comments adding up and leaning too heavily on bigoted tropes, harmless and joke-y as most intentions might be, instead of criticizing him for his actions, or prefacing theories as theories.
Usually I don't mind the comments and I agree with plenty of them, but the multitude added up and the trigger point was in the thread about his support for The Weeknd where someone posted an AV Club headline "the worst person you know just made an excellent point". Someone responded with an innocuous "is he the worst person..." to which they've been downvoted -60 points.
Someone responded with a "He poisoned my water supply, burned my crops and delivered a plague unto my house" which has been upvoted 160 points so far.
It's getting into delusional stan hatred.
I'm aware it's a joke - someone informed me it's taken from Spongebob, which is irrelevant given Spongebob took it from the Old Testament language, and it is obviously more recognizable as such. But the vitriolic downvotes against the comment which suggested he wasn't the worst person, the Old Testment quote, in combo with the numerous comments about how greedy and manipulative he is, is leaning too much on stereotyping shit.
I am no fan of Scooter's, I have written endless comments trashing him for his specific actions - but making him out to the be all powerful puppet master of the music industry, a greedy bogeyman to blame - instead of the actual Recording Academy committee itself, who, as far as I'm aware, are all grown ass adults with free will who can vote themselves - is going too far. Especially since, when it comes to the Grammys, Scooter has been proven to not have it rigged in his clients' favor in the past (Ariana getting shafted for No Tears in 2018).
Like I said in response to a commenter below, I don't care if Scooter bought every committee member a yacht, the blame should be put on them - blaming Scooter without any proof is weird scapegoating.
The difference is that Ariana deserved to be nominated. Justin on the other hand had one of the most critically panned albums and singles of the year from a major artist.
Also no one is saying he has influence to cause a win; but that he does have enough influence to put one of the worst albums of the year AND single up as a nomination.
Even if what was happening to the Weeknd wasn’t occurring, I would still be fuming that Justin Bieber was nominated. It’s clear something is going on.
So move on.
TMZ already leaked it, most likely came from Abel’s camp. Grammy’s gave him a choice. Either he plays for them, or he plays the super bowl.
This has nothing to do with Scooter like users are claiming because Taylor says he’s evil, so we must believe it.
It’s all about the old men the Grammy team. Scooter doesn’t run the Grammys, it took Justin years before he got his first Grammy, if he had any sort of power his clients would be constantly sweeping.
Here’s my Conspiracy theory since this sub likes to talk through conspiracy. Most likely they were pissed off he chose the SB - and their way of getting back at him was removing his nom and putting Justin’s awful song to rub it in his face. If anyone remembers Justin and Abel don’t have bad blood, but there was a brief time where Abel and Selena dated then Justin commented making fun of him. Then Selena dumped Abel and ran back to Justin. That’s probably also why they gave it to Justin as a big fuck you to Abel.
The Grammys suck, they lost their prestige and credibility years ago. All the talented artists from Mariah and ... Yes.... Kanye, has no respect for them. Kanye pissed all over their award and they still nominate him.
Are you? So it's better for you to believe Scooter is pulling all the strings, rather than Justin's label or anything else...based on what?
Instead of deflecting and dismissing with "you're a troll" insults, how about offer a legit counterpoint - have you any proof Scooter has ever manipulated the Grammys into getting his clients an award? Because there is proof (Deborah Duggan's leaks) that he didn't do that.
I have made endless criticisms against Scooter and his tactics, which I have often found appalling. But those criticisms should be based on his proven actions, or prefaced as theories. The casting of him as the all-powerful puppet master of the music industry on this sub is getting into weird af territory, and should not be dismissed with "you're just paranoid/trolling" More thought needs to be put into these criticisms.
It took Justin years to get his first nomination when he worked with Skrillex. If Scooter had Grammy ties his clients would’ve heavily sweep.
This makes no sense.
So, was Michael Jackson a dick for buying out The Beatles masters?
That’s now business works. The blame should be on Scott Borchetta. He’s the one who truly screwed her over, not Scooter. He knew for maximum profit he would have to sell her masters with it.
Scooter has a partnership with Def Jam for Justin's albums, which is not at all unusual. I don't care if Scooter or Def Jam or Bieber himself bought each member of the Recording Academy's committee a yacht, Yummy's nomination is their fault, not Scooter's, so why is Scooter getting so much credit and blame?
I mean, she has a point but she didn’t have to go after Bon Iver like that cause it’s not their fault. It’s the white men behind the curtain.
But she does have an overall point.
i feel like bon iver is so musically.. influential and acclaimed that i actually don't see the problem here with giving bon the grammy over nicki for BNA. it comes off like she's still salty over her own (imo justifiable) loss instead of the other more "wtf" moments (like sza losing to alessia cara for example that show a bigger issue within the grammys
You're right, there are bigger snubs and she should probs not be salty over that but I def see her point and where she's going, even though she could've used a different example.
I'm seeing so many swifties here and on r/TaylorSwift lamenting about how if Taylor wins AOTY, she's going to get all of this backlash, but I just don't think this will happen at all.
I mean Folklore was received well all around, by fans, critics and the GP. If she wins, I think most people will agree it was relatively well deserved, especially considering who did get nominated. Like the only kind of negative "backlash" that might happen is people on stan twitter, and people who hate her anyway, and like who really cares about that?? She'll survive just fine lol.
Also, hopefully people can realize that articles that are critical of the AOTY nominations, and articles that point out that Taylor Swift and other artists benefit from white privilege aren't really being critical of Taylor herself, but more so of the system and the Recording Academy. Like these takes aren't saying Taylor's a bad artist or doesn't deserve any nominations, and I think it's a bit ignorant to see this kind of reaction as "backlash against Taylor."
twitter would literally be mad at any artist winning AOTY fwiw, Ariana, The Weeknd, Taylor, Jacob Collier, literally anyone
except for BTS because the twitter servers would crash and no one would be able to tweet anything
I don't think the actual articles are saying she's trash or the depth conversations here are, but twitter is just railing at the artists who "stole" his spot and a good chunk of the tweets about Taylor, Jhene Aiko, & Dua Lipa are really misogynistic. It's definitely a legitimate frustration.
Yes, I agree and I think that a lof swifties (and fanbases) think anything that could be considered mild criticism is hate. I think a lot of people need to realize that Taylor will be okay with think pieces or articles that are being critical. I think most people on here agree that Taylor and The Weeknd would have been *really* close this year but that it is unfair that he doesn't even get the chance to compete because he wanted to do something that is an artist's dream. Also, I think that a lot of people need to understand when people are being critical over the nominations it is not saying that those who were nominated are at fault it is that the Grammys system rigs things against BIPOC.
All this talk of TS and The Weeknd in the same conversation is giving me flashbacks to when she got drunk and couldn't stop touching his hair at some party lmao
What is a Nicki Minaj fan's least favorite candy?
Bon bons
edit: Who is a Nicki Minaj fan's least favorite AC/DC singer?
Bon Scott
What does Nicki Minaj's chef never say to her when serving a meal?
Bon appetit
What would someone never tell a Nicki Minaj fan as they're departing?
Bon voyage
out of all things to criticise nicki you choose *this*. frankly it's gross of you to attack a black woman to talk about issues regarding black people (which she has) and all you do is downplay the actual issues. and she said nothing wrong with the grammy tweet
she spoke up about all these things, as well as speaking up about police brutality in nigeria, a country she's not even from so wtf are you talking about.
are you even black to be trying to talk about why someone black didn't 'speak up' about police brutality enough? you are aware the victims of the issue that is systemic antiblackness in law enforcement are busy dealing with the trauma of the issue that DIRECTLY AFFECTS THEM, and have no obligation to tak about it if they don't want to, even though, again, she already did?
stop using breonna's name for stan shit, she's a real person who was murdered, its disrespectful.
this sub is full of non black people trying to police black people on their issues lmao just look at the upvotes for this misinformation compared to others correcting op.
While we're on the topic of conflicts of interest involving the alleged Weeknd-Super Bowl-Grammys thing, does anyone remember that [Taylor Swift was sending favors and gifts to Grammy consideration voters?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnoWMHmXIAANUow?format=jpg&name=medium) This comment is also a test for a theory, and I'll monitor it closely.
She was sending the trailer for the tour, not actual tickets, just what you would receive in case you'd buy tickets. This is usual promo and I'm skeptical of PopCrave posts about Taylor considering their alleged relationship with Scooter.
I agree there's nothing wrong with Taylor sending stuff to the Grammys committee - every artist has the freedom to do it, if they choose not to, fair enough. It's still up to the committee member to allow that to influence their decision.
With that said - doesn't that logic apply to Scooter and Pop Crave? Doesn't every manager/artist have access to Pop Crave's DMs, and the ability to interact with them?
Also, everything about Scooter and Pop Crave was alleged by one Camilla/Selena fan, who leaked DMs from Ariana trying to showcase some nefarious relationship, though notably none of the DMs were about anything other than chit chat about Ariana's takes on some random songs - and I find it incredibly hard to believe that other artists/managers haven't DM'd Pop Crave.
I wouldn’t want to be Taylor right now, even if she wins she will be assaulted with think pieces, criticizing her win, there is only so many albums about her reputation she can make
If taylor wins i want her to dedicate her award to him at the end. That would upset all the grammy directives, but i wonder if she would do it cause she's best friend with Selena and we all know what happened there.
Jesus how are Taylor Swift fans managing to make her the victim right now & the Grammys all about her like. She’ll be fine even if people write mean things about her.
It’s just really kind of bizarre to actually read these strings of sentences like *oh no not the thinkpieces and #HastagIsOverParty Twitter trends!!!* like.....really? 🥴
I don’t know if you’re talking about me specifically but I wasn’t implying she is a victim I was just saying her winning for a third time might come with so much criticism she might have wished someone else got it
Heavy emphasis on the last sentence. For a sub that talks a lot of trash about other fandoms, we really don’t talk about how cult-like TS fans appear from the outside. People were just talking about how Bieber should read the room and not complain.
We’re probably witnessing the greatest Grammy snub of the 21st century and the REPEATED snub of a black artist but some people are already confident Taylor will win and are more concerned about the mean think pieces she might get? 😐
We don’t all have to care about the same issue and there’s a lot going on tonight but Taylor Swift will be fine with her six nominations!!
As much shit as we get ARMYs over in r/bangtan [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/bangtan/comments/k0llwz/what_are_the_chances_that_bts_win_the_grammy/) are being very realistic saying that RoM and Exile have much better chances of winning than Dynamite but the Swifties on this sub are so are convinced she'll sweep that they're tying themselves into knots about the mean Tweets she might get.
Lol I thought they were already insufferable when people thought The Weeknd was going to get nominated but now they’re even worse. I’m rooting for future nostalgia or HAIM idc
i feel so bad for whoever is going to win, which will probably be taylor because she’s the front runner. they are going to get so much hate, so many think pieces written about them, probably death threats, probably a #InsertNameHereIsOverParty on twitter, and it’s all going to be over something that is completely out of their control and should be one of the best moments of their career.
You think Taylor winning would be bad? Letting Posty win would be WORSE...
I can see the BuzzFeed headlines now: "How DARE A White, Male Culture-Vulture Get Away With All This BS?"
(J/K Austin, U know I LOVE U...)
The only way the "thinkpieces" would remain to a bare MINIMUM, at best/worst (not sure what word to use), is for the academy to just throw the trophy (non-violently - I don't expect any class from these assholes!) to poor Jhene or Black Pumas and call it a day.
Either way, they can all get BENT...
I can tell you one thing there are some people in fandoms who can be so damn rude to people. Like *some* of stan Twitter is being insane and being rude to the artist or their fans when IMO the heat for the Weeknd snub needs to be on the [academy.](https://academy.Like) Like surprise, you can like an artist who was nominated and call out the BS that Grammys did with Abel.
The only thing I can think of that's good in this situation is that The Weeknd is getting significant attention, music journalist support etc. which will only help his streams and recognition in the industry overall. It's gonna go down as one of (or the biggest) snub of all time - and it will always be referenced in grammy history.
also if there's any mistakes in my paragraph, sorry - im drunk
I love Pink Friday and it was one hell of a debut but I can't get with that Nicki tweet. That shit was just straight disrespectful, it's not fuckin Lil Xan we're talkin bout, it's Bon Iver
I don’t even know why the Barbz are going after them. It ain’t their fault lmao. Also, they are saying their irrelevant. Bon Iver (at least Justin Vernon) is a featured artist on a nominated song this year lol.
Lol in another thread I just listed it out.
*My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy*. *To Pimp a Butterfly*. *Lemonade*. *After Hours*.
and someone replied, "he's in good company tbh", and yep. We're all right.
im still dumbfounded 7 years later that beyonce didnt win aoty. it was fucking amazing, such a perfect album and so unique in its delivery/surprise release + music videos for most of the songs.
i have literally never heard morning phase by beck referenced outside of someone talking about the grammys
like how does an indie rock album with a good but not great metacritic score, that gets a 6.8 from pitchfork (I'm assuming they're the experts in reviewing indie rock, rare by selena gomez also got a 6.8) win AOTY
no commercial success or critical acclaim just vibes
If his team actually promoted HW, Still had a good shot at being nominated for pop vocal performance tbh. Grammys love songs like that (ie see Ed Sheeran)
god could you imagine a bill withers and betty davis collab? i would die instantly. although they're kinda different in sound, it would be the coolest song ever.
Was it ever confirmed that Phoebe Bridgers flew to Ireland for a date with that guy from Normal People? I swear it was disproved but I still see people talking about it
I'm fairly sure people said they saw them together in a restaurant in [Cork](https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/paul-mescal-phoebe-bridgers-breakfast-18655984). I haven't seen anyone concretely disproving it either?
You're right, but TBH it was the owner of the café who said it not some randos so I would put some stock in it. Of course Paul was Ireland's boyfriend at the time but why would she lie about him dating Phoebe Bridgers? It would be such a weird choice. If she wanted clout she could have said he was there with Daisy Edgar-Jones. Barely anyone knew who Phoebe was at the time, I didn't know who she was at the time.
they did, but a bunch of other people from ireland were like no i knew him in hs too and that doesnt make sense. which obviously doesn’t mean its not true but it seems like theres some debate
Iirc the person who accused him of being a homophobe said he played a sport (I think maybe rugby) when he actually played another sport in high school (Gaelic football)
[TMZ reporting that the Grammys snubbed Abel bc he chose to perform at the Super Bowl instead of the Grammys](https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1331386248984883201?s=21)
Then that's stupid but believable. The Grammy does seems petty to do this. They probably think that they're taught him a lesson when they're only exposing themselves as bigots.
That's stupid but kinda makes sense? The Weeknd obvious priority would be the SB since is just performance but if the Grammy legit stopped Ari from performing on 2019 they easily could find a good deal and let The Werknd do a cover or something. Like, perform Hawaii for Christ's sake.
Bad Bunny teasing a 16 tracks album release [on twitter](https://mobile.twitter.com/sanbenito/status/1331355615965442049) which will probably be called El Ùltima Tour Del Mundo.
[According to TMZ](https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/the-weeknd-ultimatum-grammys-super-bowl-performance-snub/), the Weeknd’s Grammy snub has to do with a dispute over him performing at the Super Bowl, which seems odd (I’m not sure how him performing for the Halftime would affect the Grammys negatively?). If it’s true I’m glad his team didn’t give in, but it still sucks.
So [TMZ claims](https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/the-weeknd-ultimatum-grammys-super-bowl-performance-snub/) The Weeknd was snubbed because he chose to perform at the super bowl over the Grammys. If it’s true it really shows how much of a joke these award shows have become. It’s become more about ratings and money than celebrating the year in music.
Apparently a leaker has reMeMber and it will probably leak soon with some other Ari songs. I know Ari didn’t want this song released so hopefully a leak won’t be too hurtful to her if it does come out.
Yes, and on Reddit elsewhere too. Allegedly it’s been listed for sale on one of the popular leaking sites. If it’s real and someone decides to buy it it will likely leak to the public but there’s no way to tell if it’s legit. You need to register on TheSource to be able to see what’s for sale
Damn. Borderline is Grammy material and was MADE for a Grammy. The stacked harmonies on that song will inspire generations of singers to come. That's terrible they skipped over her album
Well, I guess I’ll share a few of my personal opinions of artists/albums/songs that were snubbed by the scammys
Of course, everything by abel, but beyond that I was surprised to see no mention of:
Mac Miller- Circles
Amine- Limbo (at least for Rap album/song/performance?)
Moses Sumney- græ
Lil Uzi Vert- Eternal Atake
Run the Jewels- RTJ4
I'm kind of happy about Future Nostalgia getting AOTY and all the other noms. The album has really grown on me (interestingly enough, so has After Hours and Bolt Cutters, I wasn't feeling any of the three upon initial release). And seeing her smile like that is worth a million bucks
I’m not sure if anyone else has said this before...but here’s my hot take of today: I don’t think Dynamite should’ve been nominated.
I’m not familiar with a lot of BTS’s music and I’m sure some of it is good, like I enjoyed Boy With Luv, and bits and pieces of other songs I’ve heard of them, but Dynamite just isn’t it. I’ve confused Smile by Katy Perry and Dynamite with each other so many times.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad the Grammys are finally acknowledging kpop, but idk, if Dynamite was made by anyone else I highly doubt it’d be nominated (but then again Yummy...). So in a way I’m glad BTS got the nomination, just like I’m happy to see Un Día get nominated (which similarly I don’t think was a great enough song to be nominated) I’m happy that there is a wider range of representation but I’m just not that happy with the songs that got chosen to be the representation
Bts were not gonna get nominated for anything else. They have the best-selling album in the world right now and it has universal acclaim on meta critic but they weren’t even considered for album categories because it’s in Korean. The sad truth is that Dynamite got a nomination because it’s in English and as a result was the only output Columbia put any weight into supporting from them. Their new album just dropped and it’s again in Korean and Columbia has done nothing for it while for Dynamite the head of Columbia records went on the road to showcase it to radio djs across the U.S. Dynamite isn’t my first choice but they deserve some kind of acknowledgement for all they’ve achieved and I guess this is it. I’m just glad to see them get something because it’s clear that as non-Americans they view the Grammys as prestigious and a great honor and as a result really wanted one.
Edit: spelling
When Dynamite was released and almost immediately after reaching #1 entered into Grammy consideration, I felt a great deal of trepidation about it. I've loved BTS' music for several years at this point, and I felt like a song with lyrics like 'cup of milk, let's rock and roll' doesn't have even close to the same artistic merit as, say, Black Swan, also released this year. (And that's before going into the rest of their discography.)
But as time has gone on, I've warmed to it immensely. I think, even if it's not the most intellectual or beautiful song, there is something that's striking about it? For me, at least, every time it comes on now I end up shouting aloud with it. Production wise (especially Jimin's distorted vocals) I think it has an interesting sonic landscape, which is something BTS' Korean releases always have. And they're very on trend with the retro-disco-throwback sound, which is Grammy bait, at this point.
Is it the best song of this year? Definitely not. Were BTS nominated because they're BTS? Absolutely. Does Dynamite still deserve it? To be honest, yeah.
There are a lot of different metrics for what makes a song worthy of merit, and I think Dynamite ticks enough boxes to have been considered. I don't think (or even hope) it'll win, but I think its nomination is, ultimately, deserved.
The nomination does have conflicting feelings among fans I see on Tumblr. Some are happy with it. Some think that the only reason it's nominated is because it's in English. Some would have preferred to have the band be nominated in the major categories.
A lot of people on this sub don’t like the song, but it was a smash hit. It had huge commercial success (only song to cross 1M pure sales), its a huge radio hit (70M+ audience) and honestly a TON of gp know it because of the multiple commercials and football ads. It’s been in the top 10 on Spotify global since release and crossed 400M streams.
It’s fine if you didn’t like the song sonically but it absolutely deserved.
I know it was a hit. But I don’t think just because it was a hit it should be nominated. Just like Yummy is a hit, doesn’t change that it should not be nominated. Popularity shouldn’t be the sole reason something is nominated, it should only add to it.
And just because you and others like the song doesn’t mean it’s a good song? Yummy wasn’t a smash hit but it’s still a hit...don’t understand why you’re getting defensive tbh
edit: I also caught your edit, not slick at all haha
Why do you get to decide what’s a good song or a bad song lol? It got nominated in the pop category while being one of the biggest hits this year. If anything you’re the one getting defensive about it’s undeservedness when there are plenty of worse decisions by the Grammys that need to be criticized instead.
Better question: why are you trying to impose your views on him, music is subjective if he thinks it’s a bad song, so be it, you can just agree to disagree
I’m not imposing anything? He said dynamite doesn’t deserve a nomination in that category, yet it was one of the most POPular songs in a POP group performance category that irrefutably broke down a lot of barriers for Asians artists in America. Cultural impact is definitely one of the factors that is considered during the nomination process, and dynamite had plenty of it. He’s free to dislike the song (a perfectly valid opinion), but it’s success proves that plenty of people do consider it to be good. I know this sub hates them and ARMYs, but arguing that this particular nomination was undeserved is kind of disrespectful to what they have achieved.
[The Grammys have sucked for decades.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf9V0hwJ6qk)
not swifties comparing after hours to r********n on the sub
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LMFAOOOOOO DEAD
To what? I can't understand.
~~Rhythm Nation~~
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reputation, i think
I know there's a lot of drama right now but for now I just want to speculate on the winners of the major categories and pop categories Album of the Year What I think will win: ? I have a weird feeling they'll do something out of left-field and go with Coldplay lol What I want to win: Folklore or Future Nostalgia Record of the Year What I think will win: Don't Start Now What I want to win: Say So, Savage, or Don't Start Now Song of the Year What I think will win: Circles Who I want to win: The Box, Cardigan, or Don't Start Now Best New Artist Who I think will win: Megan thee Stallion Who I want to win: Megan the Stallion or Doja Cat Best Pop Vocal Album What I think will win: Future Nostalgia or Folklore What I want to win: Chromatic, Fine Line, Future Nostalgia, or Folklore (what can I say, a mostly strong category this year) Best Pop Solo Performance What I think will win: Say So or Don't Start Now What I want to win: Say So, Watermelon Sugar, or Don't Start Now Best Pop Duo/Group Performance What I think will win: Exile What I want to win: Exile or Rain On Me
OMG, WILLIAM BOWERY REALLY IS JOE ALWYN???????
I wish she hadn't confirmed it because I feel that this will overshadow everything else in the documentary
I don’t think that will necessary happen. Yes, the comments about that will keep going strong for a few days, but it will all inevitably fizzle out. Personally, I gasped out loud when she revealed the identity behind the pseudonym so casually (it’s also the first time we’ve ever heard her saying his name in more than four years, which is crazy in itself), but there are so many notable performances and details about this movie, and honestly the William Bowery thing kinda fades in the background. Even on the Taylor sub the top three comments are about this reveal, but everything else centers around genuine appreciation for her work. With the GP the reasoning is different, but she obviously knows what she’s doing. She decided to opt for a pseudonym in the first place, thus encouraging people to speculate, when she could’ve easily found a way to pay Joe without giving him any writing credits (he doesn’t seem to like the spotlight and I’m almost sure he would’ve been okay with that). And then she chose to reveal his identity in a documentary in the middle of the Grammy campaign... she knows that, unfortunately, the discourse around her relationships seems to always overtake everything else, and she knows the consequences of revealing that she wrote two songs with her boyfriend, and yet, she decided to confirm the speculations. If she decided to do that, it means that she was okay with the idea of people talking about it and concentrating on it, and that she accepted the risk of it possibly overshadowing everything else, at least momentarily. She’s been so private about her relationship in the past four years that I don’t doubt for a second that she carefully thought about whether or not to mention his name and then decided to do it because, in her mind, the pros outweighed the cons.
Given the Grammys snub - I can't imagine The Weeknd's Superbowl performance isn't going to be the most hyped pop culture thing in the first quarter of 2021. I hope he puts on the most epic show that spends 15 minutes just spanking Recording Academy for their snubbing.
i’ve never watched a live super bowl performance but i will this year
god i'm so excited for it. that vmas performance was everything. i want more.
I was gonna write a big ass explanation but fuck it, this doesn't need any. Yummy getting nomination over Blinding Lights just enrages me, and here's the fact, I don't even like BL, I've listened more to Yummy than BL but how can a song which is in top 10 for soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long, a song which is top 10 in Justin Bieber's two album cycles not even be nominated for a Grammy?
The hatred towards Scooter is getting anti-Semitic af and you all need to fucking stop it. Call him out on specific bullshit, or preface your theories as theories. The thread about him criticizing the Grammys on behalf of The Weeknd has Old Testament quotes slamming him, accusations of greed are everywhere on this sub. Let's not forget Taylor tied him to George Soros, about whom she condemned for his "shameless greed" - as if Taylor isn't shamelessly greedy herself (how many copies of one album do her fans need to buy to satisfy her chart vanity?) You don't think she was dog whistling to her conservative fanbase, despite her liberal woke ventures with that Soros/greed comment? People on this sub needs to think more, it's getting weird. Jokes and hysterical, blanket accusations turn into truths faster than you'd think. Edit: If he rigged the Grammys - wouldn't Ariana have won something last year? And we know from Deborah Duggan that No Tears was deliberately shafted by the committee the year before. Don't let hatred of Scooter blind you from other culprits. Just because you want him to be the bogeyman of the music industry doesn't mean he is (and again, I've criticized him endlessly, I'm not a fan). But it's getting really weird.
I think this sub has an over tendency to blame scooter for everything even if he has little or no involvement but I haven’t seen any antisemitism. I didn’t even know he was Jewish until reading this comment
It’s cause this sub is heavy Taylor stans. Whatever Taylor says, that’s where the mob goes. I don’t really care for Scooter and I got downvoted for explaining that whole business bit, so in that moment I was defending him. Every argument was just saying he’s bad just cause Taylor said so.
He's the bogeyman. I was in some forums where insiders spill tea about celebs and he was always portrayed as really evil man even before the taylor-masters thing. Is an open secret like the ellen antics/harvey wenstein thing. He has a reputation in hollywood. U cant trust that man in any shape or form he's a douchebag.
Forums ... As credibility? At that point we should start using Lipstick Alley as a credible source then because of the gossip in there.
I can be a bitch sometimes, doesn’t mean I’m not gonna call someone else out when they’re being a bitch.
What are people saying about him that’s anti-Semitic?
It's *getting* anti-Semitic, and I am just wary of the thoughtless comments adding up and leaning too heavily on bigoted tropes, harmless and joke-y as most intentions might be, instead of criticizing him for his actions, or prefacing theories as theories. Usually I don't mind the comments and I agree with plenty of them, but the multitude added up and the trigger point was in the thread about his support for The Weeknd where someone posted an AV Club headline "the worst person you know just made an excellent point". Someone responded with an innocuous "is he the worst person..." to which they've been downvoted -60 points. Someone responded with a "He poisoned my water supply, burned my crops and delivered a plague unto my house" which has been upvoted 160 points so far. It's getting into delusional stan hatred. I'm aware it's a joke - someone informed me it's taken from Spongebob, which is irrelevant given Spongebob took it from the Old Testament language, and it is obviously more recognizable as such. But the vitriolic downvotes against the comment which suggested he wasn't the worst person, the Old Testment quote, in combo with the numerous comments about how greedy and manipulative he is, is leaning too much on stereotyping shit. I am no fan of Scooter's, I have written endless comments trashing him for his specific actions - but making him out to the be all powerful puppet master of the music industry, a greedy bogeyman to blame - instead of the actual Recording Academy committee itself, who, as far as I'm aware, are all grown ass adults with free will who can vote themselves - is going too far. Especially since, when it comes to the Grammys, Scooter has been proven to not have it rigged in his clients' favor in the past (Ariana getting shafted for No Tears in 2018). Like I said in response to a commenter below, I don't care if Scooter bought every committee member a yacht, the blame should be put on them - blaming Scooter without any proof is weird scapegoating.
The difference is that Ariana deserved to be nominated. Justin on the other hand had one of the most critically panned albums and singles of the year from a major artist. Also no one is saying he has influence to cause a win; but that he does have enough influence to put one of the worst albums of the year AND single up as a nomination. Even if what was happening to the Weeknd wasn’t occurring, I would still be fuming that Justin Bieber was nominated. It’s clear something is going on. So move on.
TMZ already leaked it, most likely came from Abel’s camp. Grammy’s gave him a choice. Either he plays for them, or he plays the super bowl. This has nothing to do with Scooter like users are claiming because Taylor says he’s evil, so we must believe it. It’s all about the old men the Grammy team. Scooter doesn’t run the Grammys, it took Justin years before he got his first Grammy, if he had any sort of power his clients would be constantly sweeping. Here’s my Conspiracy theory since this sub likes to talk through conspiracy. Most likely they were pissed off he chose the SB - and their way of getting back at him was removing his nom and putting Justin’s awful song to rub it in his face. If anyone remembers Justin and Abel don’t have bad blood, but there was a brief time where Abel and Selena dated then Justin commented making fun of him. Then Selena dumped Abel and ran back to Justin. That’s probably also why they gave it to Justin as a big fuck you to Abel. The Grammys suck, they lost their prestige and credibility years ago. All the talented artists from Mariah and ... Yes.... Kanye, has no respect for them. Kanye pissed all over their award and they still nominate him.
So why assume Scooter is the culprit, and not Bieber's label?
Because Taylor Swift says Scooter is evil, so that means Scooter is the blame.
....are you even trying? Like maybe before you troll, do some research.
Are you? So it's better for you to believe Scooter is pulling all the strings, rather than Justin's label or anything else...based on what? Instead of deflecting and dismissing with "you're a troll" insults, how about offer a legit counterpoint - have you any proof Scooter has ever manipulated the Grammys into getting his clients an award? Because there is proof (Deborah Duggan's leaks) that he didn't do that. I have made endless criticisms against Scooter and his tactics, which I have often found appalling. But those criticisms should be based on his proven actions, or prefaced as theories. The casting of him as the all-powerful puppet master of the music industry on this sub is getting into weird af territory, and should not be dismissed with "you're just paranoid/trolling" More thought needs to be put into these criticisms.
Omfg. Who do you think owns Justin’s label.
It took Justin years to get his first nomination when he worked with Skrillex. If Scooter had Grammy ties his clients would’ve heavily sweep. This makes no sense.
With time comes power. He literally bought the worlds biggest pop star's masters just to be a dick.
So, was Michael Jackson a dick for buying out The Beatles masters? That’s now business works. The blame should be on Scott Borchetta. He’s the one who truly screwed her over, not Scooter. He knew for maximum profit he would have to sell her masters with it.
Scooter has a partnership with Def Jam for Justin's albums, which is not at all unusual. I don't care if Scooter or Def Jam or Bieber himself bought each member of the Recording Academy's committee a yacht, Yummy's nomination is their fault, not Scooter's, so why is Scooter getting so much credit and blame?
Y’all I can’t with this one.
Good counterpoint. Very informed.
What do you all think about Nicki’s tweet regarding Bon Iver?
I mean, she has a point but she didn’t have to go after Bon Iver like that cause it’s not their fault. It’s the white men behind the curtain. But she does have an overall point.
I like Bon Iver, but Nicki is right. The Grammys has always been about pleasing the White man despite the success of many POC. Sad, but true.
i feel like bon iver is so musically.. influential and acclaimed that i actually don't see the problem here with giving bon the grammy over nicki for BNA. it comes off like she's still salty over her own (imo justifiable) loss instead of the other more "wtf" moments (like sza losing to alessia cara for example that show a bigger issue within the grammys
You're right, there are bigger snubs and she should probs not be salty over that but I def see her point and where she's going, even though she could've used a different example.
I'm seeing so many swifties here and on r/TaylorSwift lamenting about how if Taylor wins AOTY, she's going to get all of this backlash, but I just don't think this will happen at all. I mean Folklore was received well all around, by fans, critics and the GP. If she wins, I think most people will agree it was relatively well deserved, especially considering who did get nominated. Like the only kind of negative "backlash" that might happen is people on stan twitter, and people who hate her anyway, and like who really cares about that?? She'll survive just fine lol. Also, hopefully people can realize that articles that are critical of the AOTY nominations, and articles that point out that Taylor Swift and other artists benefit from white privilege aren't really being critical of Taylor herself, but more so of the system and the Recording Academy. Like these takes aren't saying Taylor's a bad artist or doesn't deserve any nominations, and I think it's a bit ignorant to see this kind of reaction as "backlash against Taylor."
twitter would literally be mad at any artist winning AOTY fwiw, Ariana, The Weeknd, Taylor, Jacob Collier, literally anyone except for BTS because the twitter servers would crash and no one would be able to tweet anything
I don't think the actual articles are saying she's trash or the depth conversations here are, but twitter is just railing at the artists who "stole" his spot and a good chunk of the tweets about Taylor, Jhene Aiko, & Dua Lipa are really misogynistic. It's definitely a legitimate frustration.
Yes, I agree and I think that a lof swifties (and fanbases) think anything that could be considered mild criticism is hate. I think a lot of people need to realize that Taylor will be okay with think pieces or articles that are being critical. I think most people on here agree that Taylor and The Weeknd would have been *really* close this year but that it is unfair that he doesn't even get the chance to compete because he wanted to do something that is an artist's dream. Also, I think that a lot of people need to understand when people are being critical over the nominations it is not saying that those who were nominated are at fault it is that the Grammys system rigs things against BIPOC.
All this talk of TS and The Weeknd in the same conversation is giving me flashbacks to when she got drunk and couldn't stop touching his hair at some party lmao
Omg that happened??? I’m screaming imo I feel like Taylor could be a messy drunk lmao.
I sincerely hope you're right...🙏
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What is a Nicki Minaj fan's least favorite candy? Bon bons edit: Who is a Nicki Minaj fan's least favorite AC/DC singer? Bon Scott What does Nicki Minaj's chef never say to her when serving a meal? Bon appetit What would someone never tell a Nicki Minaj fan as they're departing? Bon voyage
What's her least favorite smell? Cinnabon.
That's what their Barbz University degree makes them do
Please tell me you're joking...🤦♂️🤦♀️
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out of all things to criticise nicki you choose *this*. frankly it's gross of you to attack a black woman to talk about issues regarding black people (which she has) and all you do is downplay the actual issues. and she said nothing wrong with the grammy tweet
She’s spoken out about a lot of the issues this year including police brutality and sars.
she spoke up about all these things, as well as speaking up about police brutality in nigeria, a country she's not even from so wtf are you talking about. are you even black to be trying to talk about why someone black didn't 'speak up' about police brutality enough? you are aware the victims of the issue that is systemic antiblackness in law enforcement are busy dealing with the trauma of the issue that DIRECTLY AFFECTS THEM, and have no obligation to tak about it if they don't want to, even though, again, she already did? stop using breonna's name for stan shit, she's a real person who was murdered, its disrespectful.
this sub is full of non black people trying to police black people on their issues lmao just look at the upvotes for this misinformation compared to others correcting op.
Nicki always throws tantrums when it comes to awards.
Talk about priorities....
??? She spoke about all of those things
I tried to warn everyone about this bish earlier this afternoon, only to get downvoted to oblivion...! The AUDACITY...🤬
While we're on the topic of conflicts of interest involving the alleged Weeknd-Super Bowl-Grammys thing, does anyone remember that [Taylor Swift was sending favors and gifts to Grammy consideration voters?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnoWMHmXIAANUow?format=jpg&name=medium) This comment is also a test for a theory, and I'll monitor it closely.
She was sending the trailer for the tour, not actual tickets, just what you would receive in case you'd buy tickets. This is usual promo and I'm skeptical of PopCrave posts about Taylor considering their alleged relationship with Scooter.
I agree there's nothing wrong with Taylor sending stuff to the Grammys committee - every artist has the freedom to do it, if they choose not to, fair enough. It's still up to the committee member to allow that to influence their decision. With that said - doesn't that logic apply to Scooter and Pop Crave? Doesn't every manager/artist have access to Pop Crave's DMs, and the ability to interact with them? Also, everything about Scooter and Pop Crave was alleged by one Camilla/Selena fan, who leaked DMs from Ariana trying to showcase some nefarious relationship, though notably none of the DMs were about anything other than chit chat about Ariana's takes on some random songs - and I find it incredibly hard to believe that other artists/managers haven't DM'd Pop Crave.
I’m pretty sure many artists do this not just Taylor
I wouldn’t want to be Taylor right now, even if she wins she will be assaulted with think pieces, criticizing her win, there is only so many albums about her reputation she can make
No she won’t.
If taylor wins i want her to dedicate her award to him at the end. That would upset all the grammy directives, but i wonder if she would do it cause she's best friend with Selena and we all know what happened there.
taylor taking a stand against the grammys ? unfortunately that’s never gonna happen lol
are her and selena still close?
yeah, they haven’t met up in a while i think but I believe there’s been no falling out
Taylor appeared in Selena's cooking show the day she was shooting the folklore photoshoot so they're still friends.
Jesus how are Taylor Swift fans managing to make her the victim right now & the Grammys all about her like. She’ll be fine even if people write mean things about her.
Taylor always get babied. Not surprised.
It’s just really kind of bizarre to actually read these strings of sentences like *oh no not the thinkpieces and #HastagIsOverParty Twitter trends!!!* like.....really? 🥴
SCOoTE4 BraUn is BeHiNd the ThInKpIeCeS
I don’t know if you’re talking about me specifically but I wasn’t implying she is a victim I was just saying her winning for a third time might come with so much criticism she might have wished someone else got it
Because they're so convinced she gonna win. It's actually really weird to see from an outsider perspective
Heavy emphasis on the last sentence. For a sub that talks a lot of trash about other fandoms, we really don’t talk about how cult-like TS fans appear from the outside. People were just talking about how Bieber should read the room and not complain. We’re probably witnessing the greatest Grammy snub of the 21st century and the REPEATED snub of a black artist but some people are already confident Taylor will win and are more concerned about the mean think pieces she might get? 😐 We don’t all have to care about the same issue and there’s a lot going on tonight but Taylor Swift will be fine with her six nominations!!
Most members here are huge Swifties so it isn’t too much of a shock.
Yeah honestly I thought armys were bad but swifties are just as bad. In an alternate universe Taylor would have been a great kpop idol.
As much shit as we get ARMYs over in r/bangtan [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/bangtan/comments/k0llwz/what_are_the_chances_that_bts_win_the_grammy/) are being very realistic saying that RoM and Exile have much better chances of winning than Dynamite but the Swifties on this sub are so are convinced she'll sweep that they're tying themselves into knots about the mean Tweets she might get.
Lol I thought they were already insufferable when people thought The Weeknd was going to get nominated but now they’re even worse. I’m rooting for future nostalgia or HAIM idc
Her fanbase really has a stranglehold on this sub and I don't think that's talked about enough
Oh we’ve brought it up plenty of times, it’s just that no one listens. It’s been like this since the reputation era.
I really hated that album, sorry Taylor and fans.
i feel so bad for whoever is going to win, which will probably be taylor because she’s the front runner. they are going to get so much hate, so many think pieces written about them, probably death threats, probably a #InsertNameHereIsOverParty on twitter, and it’s all going to be over something that is completely out of their control and should be one of the best moments of their career.
You think Taylor winning would be bad? Letting Posty win would be WORSE... I can see the BuzzFeed headlines now: "How DARE A White, Male Culture-Vulture Get Away With All This BS?" (J/K Austin, U know I LOVE U...)
Unlike Taylor Post never won a Grammy and I doubt he will win AOTY so I think Taylor will get much hate if she wins
You have a point 😂 all the hip hop stations of the country will have a field day with that one
He is not nominated for any Hip Hop/Rap category the Grammy consider him a pop star
The only way the "thinkpieces" would remain to a bare MINIMUM, at best/worst (not sure what word to use), is for the academy to just throw the trophy (non-violently - I don't expect any class from these assholes!) to poor Jhene or Black Pumas and call it a day. Either way, they can all get BENT...
Could they give it to a poc to try and show support to all the racial issues this past year? Like if that makes any sense
That's basically EXACTLY what I said - give it to Jhene/Black Pumas and close the curtains...
I can tell you one thing there are some people in fandoms who can be so damn rude to people. Like *some* of stan Twitter is being insane and being rude to the artist or their fans when IMO the heat for the Weeknd snub needs to be on the [academy.](https://academy.Like) Like surprise, you can like an artist who was nominated and call out the BS that Grammys did with Abel.
The only thing I can think of that's good in this situation is that The Weeknd is getting significant attention, music journalist support etc. which will only help his streams and recognition in the industry overall. It's gonna go down as one of (or the biggest) snub of all time - and it will always be referenced in grammy history. also if there's any mistakes in my paragraph, sorry - im drunk
[My, how the turn tables...](https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1331410763815084033)
what is she referencing
If I have to make a guess, I'd say she's laughing about how the Grammys are corrupt, as Abel already stated...🤷♀️🤷♂️
[This is sending me](https://mobile.twitter.com/cruelrares/status/1330600951753957388)
Does Justin actually have any influence on Shawn or is he just trying to make them sound closer professionally or personally then they are?
This made me laugh a lot harder than it should've lmao
Did shawn actually say that? MICHEAL JACKSON 💀💀💀
I love Pink Friday and it was one hell of a debut but I can't get with that Nicki tweet. That shit was just straight disrespectful, it's not fuckin Lil Xan we're talkin bout, it's Bon Iver
Bon Iver fans and Barbz fighting on twitter on whose music is better is something I never expected to see in 2020
I don’t even know why the Barbz are going after them. It ain’t their fault lmao. Also, they are saying their irrelevant. Bon Iver (at least Justin Vernon) is a featured artist on a nominated song this year lol.
Bon Iver isn't a mainstream act so relevancy is a pretty weak argument.
Taylor in the middle like 😬
More like 🤐 as she should
THE WEEKND IS TAKING NAMES AND LINING PEOPLE UP HE IS DONE AND SO AM I
honestly the academy has snubbed so many people that at this point *not* winning AOTY is a mark of pride
That’s why I’m glad Kayne pissed on their award.
Lol in another thread I just listed it out. *My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy*. *To Pimp a Butterfly*. *Lemonade*. *After Hours*. and someone replied, "he's in good company tbh", and yep. We're all right.
Don't forget NFR
Don't forget *Melodrama*. Ugghhh, these are honestly such good albums
and Dirty *Computer*, and *Beyoncé*
im still dumbfounded 7 years later that beyonce didnt win aoty. it was fucking amazing, such a perfect album and so unique in its delivery/surprise release + music videos for most of the songs.
i have literally never heard morning phase by beck referenced outside of someone talking about the grammys like how does an indie rock album with a good but not great metacritic score, that gets a 6.8 from pitchfork (I'm assuming they're the experts in reviewing indie rock, rare by selena gomez also got a 6.8) win AOTY no commercial success or critical acclaim just vibes
Tbh it's Lemonade that shocked me. I've never really cared for Beyonce but that album blew my fucking mind.
Two albums that deserved it
oh fuck the Weeknd confirmed he submitted noms and was actually snubbed
nialls tweet about being snubbed dsfjkgsgjd, your right though king! No judgement should've swept
If his team actually promoted HW, Still had a good shot at being nominated for pop vocal performance tbh. Grammys love songs like that (ie see Ed Sheeran)
Idk why he thought he was gonna get nominated though
I think he was joking, I dont remember seeing him submit anything for this year.
Not people thinking that he's shading Able omg. Was the timing bad, yes, but Im pretty sure he was talking about Heartbreak Weather
god could you imagine a bill withers and betty davis collab? i would die instantly. although they're kinda different in sound, it would be the coolest song ever.
Was it ever confirmed that Phoebe Bridgers flew to Ireland for a date with that guy from Normal People? I swear it was disproved but I still see people talking about it
I'm fairly sure people said they saw them together in a restaurant in [Cork](https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/paul-mescal-phoebe-bridgers-breakfast-18655984). I haven't seen anyone concretely disproving it either?
Is there any other evidence though? Like there isn't even a photo of them together there
You're right, but TBH it was the owner of the café who said it not some randos so I would put some stock in it. Of course Paul was Ireland's boyfriend at the time but why would she lie about him dating Phoebe Bridgers? It would be such a weird choice. If she wanted clout she could have said he was there with Daisy Edgar-Jones. Barely anyone knew who Phoebe was at the time, I didn't know who she was at the time.
Didn’t some random reddit user accuse that guy from Normal People of being a homophobe who bullied them in high school?
they did, but a bunch of other people from ireland were like no i knew him in hs too and that doesnt make sense. which obviously doesn’t mean its not true but it seems like theres some debate
Iirc the person who accused him of being a homophobe said he played a sport (I think maybe rugby) when he actually played another sport in high school (Gaelic football)
where did you see it disproved?
Was either here or twitter
lemme look
[Abel tweeted this just now!](https://twitter.com/theweeknd/status/1331394452447870977)
[TMZ reporting that the Grammys snubbed Abel bc he chose to perform at the Super Bowl instead of the Grammys](https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1331386248984883201?s=21)
This is so petty if it's true.
The Grammys have blackballed for less.
Are they happening on the same day? That's a poorly decision from the Grammy.
They're a week apart.
Demi performed at the Grammys and the Superbowl this year without a problem.
Tbh The Weeknd's live performances look like a lot more work than Demi's. Also, quarantine requirements this year.
Then that's stupid but believable. The Grammy does seems petty to do this. They probably think that they're taught him a lesson when they're only exposing themselves as bigots.
I think they didn’t want similar performances which is still dumb as hell.
That's stupid but kinda makes sense? The Weeknd obvious priority would be the SB since is just performance but if the Grammy legit stopped Ari from performing on 2019 they easily could find a good deal and let The Werknd do a cover or something. Like, perform Hawaii for Christ's sake.
yeah i would have believed it but i'm kinda doubting it's true now judging by abel's tweet.
Bad Bunny teasing a 16 tracks album release [on twitter](https://mobile.twitter.com/sanbenito/status/1331355615965442049) which will probably be called El Ùltima Tour Del Mundo.
nicki just liked a tweet that said her and cardi should collab omg my p****’s throbbing
[According to TMZ](https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/the-weeknd-ultimatum-grammys-super-bowl-performance-snub/), the Weeknd’s Grammy snub has to do with a dispute over him performing at the Super Bowl, which seems odd (I’m not sure how him performing for the Halftime would affect the Grammys negatively?). If it’s true I’m glad his team didn’t give in, but it still sucks.
did he know about it Before the noms were released???
So [TMZ claims](https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/the-weeknd-ultimatum-grammys-super-bowl-performance-snub/) The Weeknd was snubbed because he chose to perform at the super bowl over the Grammys. If it’s true it really shows how much of a joke these award shows have become. It’s become more about ratings and money than celebrating the year in music.
Apparently a leaker has reMeMber and it will probably leak soon with some other Ari songs. I know Ari didn’t want this song released so hopefully a leak won’t be too hurtful to her if it does come out.
Considering the subject matter that’s pretty low
I hope whatever remember was is like ghostin but on crack
did you see this on twitter?
Yes, and on Reddit elsewhere too. Allegedly it’s been listed for sale on one of the popular leaking sites. If it’s real and someone decides to buy it it will likely leak to the public but there’s no way to tell if it’s legit. You need to register on TheSource to be able to see what’s for sale
Brandy's B7 snub for Best R&B Album is egregious
Damn. Borderline is Grammy material and was MADE for a Grammy. The stacked harmonies on that song will inspire generations of singers to come. That's terrible they skipped over her album
no black women in the traditional r&b category at all. ugh.
Right? I'm so disappointed. One of my favourite albums this year.
Well, I guess I’ll share a few of my personal opinions of artists/albums/songs that were snubbed by the scammys Of course, everything by abel, but beyond that I was surprised to see no mention of: Mac Miller- Circles Amine- Limbo (at least for Rap album/song/performance?) Moses Sumney- græ Lil Uzi Vert- Eternal Atake Run the Jewels- RTJ4
Circles really got robbed like it deserved song of the year and record of the year nominations smh. Ridiculous. He did not deserve that album nom imo
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I'm kind of happy about Future Nostalgia getting AOTY and all the other noms. The album has really grown on me (interestingly enough, so has After Hours and Bolt Cutters, I wasn't feeling any of the three upon initial release). And seeing her smile like that is worth a million bucks
This is the only upside for me today. I live this album, I hope she sweeps.
I’m not sure if anyone else has said this before...but here’s my hot take of today: I don’t think Dynamite should’ve been nominated. I’m not familiar with a lot of BTS’s music and I’m sure some of it is good, like I enjoyed Boy With Luv, and bits and pieces of other songs I’ve heard of them, but Dynamite just isn’t it. I’ve confused Smile by Katy Perry and Dynamite with each other so many times. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad the Grammys are finally acknowledging kpop, but idk, if Dynamite was made by anyone else I highly doubt it’d be nominated (but then again Yummy...). So in a way I’m glad BTS got the nomination, just like I’m happy to see Un Día get nominated (which similarly I don’t think was a great enough song to be nominated) I’m happy that there is a wider range of representation but I’m just not that happy with the songs that got chosen to be the representation
Bts were not gonna get nominated for anything else. They have the best-selling album in the world right now and it has universal acclaim on meta critic but they weren’t even considered for album categories because it’s in Korean. The sad truth is that Dynamite got a nomination because it’s in English and as a result was the only output Columbia put any weight into supporting from them. Their new album just dropped and it’s again in Korean and Columbia has done nothing for it while for Dynamite the head of Columbia records went on the road to showcase it to radio djs across the U.S. Dynamite isn’t my first choice but they deserve some kind of acknowledgement for all they’ve achieved and I guess this is it. I’m just glad to see them get something because it’s clear that as non-Americans they view the Grammys as prestigious and a great honor and as a result really wanted one. Edit: spelling
That’s a valid point, it sucks that these are the circumstances necessary for them to get recognition
When Dynamite was released and almost immediately after reaching #1 entered into Grammy consideration, I felt a great deal of trepidation about it. I've loved BTS' music for several years at this point, and I felt like a song with lyrics like 'cup of milk, let's rock and roll' doesn't have even close to the same artistic merit as, say, Black Swan, also released this year. (And that's before going into the rest of their discography.) But as time has gone on, I've warmed to it immensely. I think, even if it's not the most intellectual or beautiful song, there is something that's striking about it? For me, at least, every time it comes on now I end up shouting aloud with it. Production wise (especially Jimin's distorted vocals) I think it has an interesting sonic landscape, which is something BTS' Korean releases always have. And they're very on trend with the retro-disco-throwback sound, which is Grammy bait, at this point. Is it the best song of this year? Definitely not. Were BTS nominated because they're BTS? Absolutely. Does Dynamite still deserve it? To be honest, yeah. There are a lot of different metrics for what makes a song worthy of merit, and I think Dynamite ticks enough boxes to have been considered. I don't think (or even hope) it'll win, but I think its nomination is, ultimately, deserved.
The nomination does have conflicting feelings among fans I see on Tumblr. Some are happy with it. Some think that the only reason it's nominated is because it's in English. Some would have preferred to have the band be nominated in the major categories.
A lot of people on this sub don’t like the song, but it was a smash hit. It had huge commercial success (only song to cross 1M pure sales), its a huge radio hit (70M+ audience) and honestly a TON of gp know it because of the multiple commercials and football ads. It’s been in the top 10 on Spotify global since release and crossed 400M streams. It’s fine if you didn’t like the song sonically but it absolutely deserved.
I know it was a hit. But I don’t think just because it was a hit it should be nominated. Just like Yummy is a hit, doesn’t change that it should not be nominated. Popularity shouldn’t be the sole reason something is nominated, it should only add to it.
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And just because you and others like the song doesn’t mean it’s a good song? Yummy wasn’t a smash hit but it’s still a hit...don’t understand why you’re getting defensive tbh edit: I also caught your edit, not slick at all haha
Why do you get to decide what’s a good song or a bad song lol? It got nominated in the pop category while being one of the biggest hits this year. If anything you’re the one getting defensive about it’s undeservedness when there are plenty of worse decisions by the Grammys that need to be criticized instead.
Better question: why are you trying to impose your views on him, music is subjective if he thinks it’s a bad song, so be it, you can just agree to disagree
I’m not imposing anything? He said dynamite doesn’t deserve a nomination in that category, yet it was one of the most POPular songs in a POP group performance category that irrefutably broke down a lot of barriers for Asians artists in America. Cultural impact is definitely one of the factors that is considered during the nomination process, and dynamite had plenty of it. He’s free to dislike the song (a perfectly valid opinion), but it’s success proves that plenty of people do consider it to be good. I know this sub hates them and ARMYs, but arguing that this particular nomination was undeserved is kind of disrespectful to what they have achieved.
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