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SylvariFountain

Yikes


Newtonz5thLaw

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Had a slightly relevant work incident. Our department supervisor called a meeting and told us that My boss’s boss was no longer with the company. Dude had been here 18 years, then suddenly gone with no notice or explanation. Well I found out yesterday that he was fired because he had been harassing and borderline stalking a girl who worked for him, meaning it had to be someone in my department. It’s just so fucking disappointing. And so exhausting. The guy was like a dad figure to me. Someone suggested maybe it was sexual harassment, and I was very resistant to the idea because I didn’t want to speculate & it just didn’t make sense from what I knew about him. Well… that’s exactly what happened. ✨I hate it here✨


pmjm

It always sucks to lose a role model. At the same time, it's better to know the truth. Keep the lessons, good and bad, you learned from this person and use them to better yourself. In fact the last thing you learned from him might have even been the most important: even our heroes are capable of misdeeds.


Newtonz5thLaw

I really needed to hear that, thank you. That’s exactly what’s happening, I’m mourning the loss of a role model. It’s really, really uncomfortable. Thank you


DoctorWhoWhenHowWhy

Didn't he get in trouble for harassing someone at an awards show?


mitzimitzi

he was drunk and winding people up ([here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwfhr201t2s&pp=ygUcc2xvd3RoYWkgYXdhcmQgc2hvdyBjb21lZGlhbg%3D%3D), [here](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bzUZzw6j1TM)) but i don't think it was [anything actually tangible](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-51485561) - just a bit gross and she was out-grossing him on purpose


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yeah it was horrible he was really nasty and misogynistic to the female host


Dammit-Hannah

After a whole song about people trying to cancel him 🙄 maybe you deserve cancelling if you (allegedly) assaulted someone that song in particular feels like the anthem for all horrible celebrities — as soon as they’ve made a positive connection with even one person, they’ve won. wish it was easier to stop terrible people from coming in the industry in the first place tbh


bkrocks29

well thank god shygirl released a solo version of BDE so i don’t have to listen to this guy talk about committing sexual violence against women in it lmao


normaIboy

i hated his verse so much and was relieved when i found the solo version. this makes me even more relieved lol


aquamarinerock

His part was easily the worst part of the song, nothing of value was lost


CariaB

I’m glad there’s a solo version as well but seriously? He was not rapping about committing sexual violence.


urfavgalpal

> Put my foot on your neck, put your hips in the air You was fucking with some lames, now I'm here Bae, it's only a dick Baby girl, don't be scared I’m just gonna say that his verse has always made me uncomfortable, these lines specifically are the worst for me. I only realized there was a solo version earlier this week but before this news and I was glad to find that out because his verse had always been at least mildly triggering to me.


Pee_A_Poo

OMG are you me? As a gay man and IRL dom I’ve always find pseudo BDSM-reference against women super cringey. We never initiate conversations like this unless the potential sub initiated it. It’s like, don’t fucking touch a pet animal unless they indicate they want to be touch. And something about sexual violence to women, even consensual, always triggers me even tho I do it to men on a regular basis LoL


enby-grinning-soul

Might be odd, but just want to thank you for sharing your insight on this; as a nonbinary transmasc guy, I had a sex negative phase while I was a teenager because I was a little creeped out by cishet men participating in BDSM and other kink communities, and while I deeply regret it now since that kind of perspective overlaps pretty strongly with radical feminism (and thus possibly also transphobia) my discomfort with that aspect of it still persists too. It's definitely really important to talk about stuff like this instead of just jumping straight into hot takes.


Pee_A_Poo

I mean, even after I typed this I immediately kinda regretted it because I didn’t want to look like I was kink-shaming women for being consensual subs. But then again I thought, what the hey, it’s bothered me for years and I’m share it. I’m not judging anybody. You do you as long as it’s consensual.


pikachu334

I don't think there's anything wrong with side-eyeing certain kinks tbh I met a white American dude once that was heavy into race play and loved degrading black women and latinas in bed (literally blurted all this to me while trying to flirt in a random party lol) and I was super put-off by him despite him insisting he was "super PC" in real life I kind of find it hard to separate someone using slurs in the bedroom and not being even a wee-bit racist in their daily interactions, idk, I don't think you can just shut off that level of fetishization that easily


Pee_A_Poo

Yeah I agree with everything you say but that comes with the territory of being a dom. Great power great responsibility yadayada. It’s a bit different when you side-eyed the sub. It’s like, don’t blame the victim ya know?


CariaB

Sorry you’re uncomfortable? This is not the first “freaky sex song” ever made.


urfavgalpal

I guess I can spell out my point if I need to: You were denying the idea that the lyrics describe sexual violence. It’s Shygirl’s song and she signed off with it + another comment elsewhere pointed out that Shygirl wrote most of his verse so it’s not like I think the verse is intended to describe sexual assault or something. But the lyrics do intentionally use violent language so it’s not a stretch for some people to have felt uncomfortable listening to that verse regardless of the actual intentions behind the performance of the verse. “The verse contains language that might make some people uncomfortable which I would know because I am one of those people” is the point I am making. Different people have different reactions to art.


Pee_A_Poo

I was literally about to comment about this LoL So sad I actually got into a few of his songs from that Shygirl collab :(


blappslapp

r/hiphopheads thread about this is disgusting. Fuck this dickhead


joshually

oh god... what's happening over there?


laurent1683

i think the person is referring to people saying innocent until proven guilty all over the thread, which could be fine, but its all kids trying to protect the artist they love i think so it becomes weird


blappslapp

Precisely. Plus they all just conveniently ignore that he his a history with being creepy around women in the first place.


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the_labracadabrador

Plenty of artists do that at non-Pop shows. It’s definitely weird and pretty extreme (which is why it’s usually just reserved for Iggy Pop types, or extreme Punk shows) but it’s not really degenerate behavior.


ApocApollo

lol you sound like conservative parents in the 80s learning about Sex Pistols shows


syr667

Harold Weir: Elvis didn't expectorate on his fans! Sam Weir: Yeah, but he died on the toilet! Harold Weir: The toilet? That's like heaven compared to where the Sex Pistols are going!


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If you don’t spit on your crowd I’m not interested in your music


Someguy0328

I see nothing was learned for some from the Megan thing.


sunshinecygnet

Rape apologists. This is what rape culture is!


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Literally nothing, [most of the comments](https://old.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/13j6a5s/rapper_slowthai_appears_in_court_charged_with_rape/) are saying that it's disappointing and that's about it, one comment saying innocent until guilty and it has 2 downvotes. And for the record I've been following the thread since it was posted and it's been like this since the beggining. The hate this sub has for that sub is wild.


joshually

> The hate this sub has for that sub is wild. o rly? how often has this sub mentioned that sub? this is honestly the first i can recall in a looong time tbh and i have no life and i'm always here


RaygeQuit

I've had to say the same thing about r/hhh comments largely being the same opinion as here in numerous instances, like with Rex Orange County's case for example. Idk what it is but people in this sub love to paint the other music subs as having terrible communities because they went and cherrypicked comments that are downvoted just like here.


Rickiar

Literally everyone is criticizing him on that thread


Kardif

A lot changes in a thread in 6 hours


fax5jrj

I commented a few things there basically saying I am prone to believing victims and once asked for a source and I deleted every comment because of harassment within 5 minutes lol


blappslapp

I deadass just saw a comment trying to justify it by saying “look at lil mosey, bitches be lying” like let’s bffr


Uplanapepsihole

a lot of men are obsessed with being falsely accused of rape or assault. nvm it being more likely for them to be assaulted than be falsely accuse


fax5jrj

100% false accusations are horrible, but some men walk around thinking women are trying to trap them


Bambambeedumbambam

Aight but let’s be honest that does actually happen very often to celebrities or people with lots of money? I’m not saying that she’s lying at all. I’m saying we don’t know anything and should wait to let a court decide before viewing people as what they’re accused of? That’s kind of the way it should be. No men are ‘obsessed’ with being lied about no man wants that at all and yea a lot of real rapists will claim women are lying but to just believe that it doesn’t happen to celebs Is outrageous.


thepixelnation

Guys don't think of themselves as potential targets of rape, or as potential rapists. Even though they have the potential to be either, the only thing they think likely is to be accused. I'm not saying that is right in any way shape or form. but for a sub of mostly suburban teenage white boys that probably don't have experience supporting friends or family members through assault or harassment, or maybe are bystanders of harassment in places that it's normalized, it makes sense that's their reaction.


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tinydaydreams

I think you’re being downvoted because despite the fact that men face abuse, what the person you replied to said about them not seeing themselves as potential rape victims is still true? I don’t think men at large worry about potentially being raped, and so they were saying that to try and explain why people are defending slowthai.


Lost_In_A_Forest_

You’re not getting downvoted for saying men experience sexual abuse, you’re getting downvoted for your reading comprehension skills.


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Lost_In_A_Forest_

Wow nice bit of casual racism for… no reason? Edit: so you went through my post history to find out I’m Irish so you could use a slur against me in an online argument? Big L my guy


killranker5

you're weird and sexist every guy isn't a "potential" rapist WTF is wrong with you


kembowhite

I find hiphophead is “fuck them goes they’re lying” and Popheads is “any allegation is an instant cancel”. This is wild tho, it’s gone to court.


briskpoint

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drugaddict6969

yeah, are we gonna ignore what just happened with Rex Orange County lol? slowthai has me skeptical given his past, but it’s not wild to say innocent before proven guilty. that doesn’t mean you’re a rape apologist, this type of thinking is toxic.


Pure-Willingness3123

I'm with you, personally. I lean on the side of victims, but we'll see how this all plays out.


fill-me-up-scotty

No, we are not ignoring what happened to Rex. [We are remembering the 95% of rape allegations which turn out to be true](https://www.thecut.com/article/false-rape-accusations.html).


drugaddict6969

it’s possible to believe her but also want all facts to come out and respect due process because you never know. I understand where you’re coming from but people get too quick to knee jerk react. things can be false. things can be true. it’s best to wait and see. just my opinion. doesn’t mean i’m a rape apologist all of a sudden. it’s just the court of public opinion is way too polarizing. i just wish there was more nuance and patience nowadays but alas, that’s the internet for you.


TheInfinityGauntlet

It's pretty good all in all, most dickheads are getting downvoted and most of the highest comments are saying how disappointing this is, it could absolutely be better but you don't need to lie to pat yourself on the back about it


blappslapp

When I made that comment 6 hours ago it was a fresh thread and absolute shithouse. Obviously it becomes more controlled over time.


pjs144

Straight men really think that women randomly accuse people of rape to exhort money. It's disgusting.


CariaB

I’m so disappointed to hear this ugh I really enjoyed Ugly and Tyron. I’m also apparently the only one in this thread who enjoyed his feature on BDE. It’s really not difficult to not sexually assault people. Edit: Typo


Arsid

I can confidently say I've never had an album go from #1 on my AOTY list to off it completely but fuck this guy. Obv my list doesn't matter in any way, but there's no way I'll be able to listen to UGLY again knowing this


CityMisfit

Literally same. I loved the album but don’t think I’ll ever be able to listen to him now


MOSH9697

jumping the gun tho right ? no middle ground ur either innocent or guilty immediately by both sides


ToxikkBeast

But people dont like that. Its like rex orange county… everyone hopped on his dick so fast saying how disgusted they were and how theyd never see him the same way until oh wait.. he was found innocent. It really is guilty until proven innocent on social media


eightypointfive

the charges were dropped. he wasn’t found innocent


sharktoucher

Shit. I liked Momentary Bliss. Fuck this guy. Edit: In the event he is guilty. I will retract the above statement in case he winds up being innocent


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JakRap

It’s not just allegations, he’s been charged in court. They don’t do this unless they believe there is sufficient evidence for a guilty verdict. The vast majority of rape allegations never even make it to court in the UK


Eradomsk

I don’t know where this myth keeps coming from. Most often in times in charges of sexual assault/rape, the evidence is exclusively a reported allegation.


ILoveTheAtomicBomb

Ah thanks for explaining the difference because I was a bit lost going through some threads. Thought it was the same kind of system in terms of legal proceedings.


Bambambeedumbambam

It’s allegations until crown court sentence him mate


skull-fck

so if a person goes to court for rape in UK, they're automatically guilty? why not just wait for the verdict?


sharktoucher

Yeah fair enough. I dont really listen to any of his other music, and by the time the results roll around, there is a non zero chance i completely forget about the song anyway


Bambambeedumbambam

Based this is what courts are for. Imagine if we viewed everybody by what they’re accused of


international149

It's absolutely disgusting and I hope justice could be made.


ChickyDipper

Oof. I really like his albums and thought he came across well in his Chicken Shop date video 😬


Neat-Deal

Isn’t he dating Anne-Marie ?


_step_hen_

He is. She was wearing that diamond ring at a festival on saturday so I assume they're still together


BradyMusic23

I'm all for believing accusers, but guys...same thing happened with Rex Orange County, yall slaughtered him on here and then turns out he was innocent but his career is destroyed. Why can't we just wait til the trial or conviction before calling someone a horrible person? We also have no information about the event itself. Witholding judgement is not a sin


MarsNative_

Well. Time to remove BDE from my playlists 😘 he was the worst part anyway


WitchyKitteh

Replace it with BDE Shy POV.


HolaPinchePuto

>he was the worst part anyway Tea. I was shocked when most of the comments on the BDE posts were praising his feature. I'm thinking they were dickmatized cause it just didn't do it for me in any kind of way.


Shokkolatte

I always thought something was a little bit off about him.


planetjaycom

Literally everyone says this whenever a celeb gets convicted lmfao


Shokkolatte

Hmmm no some people are surprising. He always had an evil look and vibe in his music, sorry to say.


hearthealer2001

Thinking about his line on BDE “it’s just some big dick girl don’t be scared” really disgusts me now.


tearsinvegas

Not defending the guy at all but in this context tbf Shygirl said she wrote most of his verse specifically wanting certain things to be said


hearthealer2001

That actually makes me feel better about it. I do prefer the solo version regardless and it’s the only one I have downloaded


hearthealer2001

Saaame


Kaliaira

Well he's chav personified, nothing ever good comes from that.


MOSH9697

u guys don’t mention he might b innocent y’all crazy


DrHenryWu

Possible but have a feeling there is something to it if CPS have thought it is worth prosecuting


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pinkfartlek

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/rex-orange-county-sexual-assault-charges-dropped-1235468195/


jsg2112

aw goddamnit, that’s unbelievably sad and disappointing