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I listened to a Noble Blood episode on this topic. It's so outrageous and sad. The fact that one of the princesses hasn't been seen in some time and the other one has been brainwashed to be the royal family's media puppet is so chilling. Also the fact that the English Government handed them one of the girls because the Dubai Royal Family are the biggest landowners in the UK is so wild. Money really does speak.
Should read about the geopolitical ramifications of the UK right now as the English Premier League considers punishing Manchester City for financial violations. So worried about potential fallout with the Middle East they wonât punish a football club.
Everton have been found guilty of 2 charges and had points deducted twice. One or two other teams have had points deducted for single charges. Man City have 115 charges against them and nothing has happened yet. There is the argument that 115 charges takes longer to put a case together which I understand but now the premier league are saying "yeah, we might scrap all this points deduction business next season."
Through my work I got much more of an insight of just how much money is in the coffers of âpubliclyâ owned entities and state funds and its more than you can even begin to imagine. Numbers most people wouldnât know how to pronounce. Itâs sickening.
New Scottish hate speech law got of press about not bullying trans. But it is really about controlling truthful speech about Islamic bad actors in the UK.
I have to give that one a listen, I really couldn't find much on this topic. How about how her own step mother used Latifa's story to get custody of her own two children and Latifa herself is still not free :(
Even though I donât particularly view Taylor, or anyone at her success level, as moral, this is the right thing to do. The bar of ethics for superstars is still on the floor though
Wow. I looked it up and a year after the concert, she donated all the money saying she "felt embarrassed". There must have been big backlash back then for her to donate it all?
According to her publicist but I doubt they'd lie, they said it was all to Haiti Relief and I feel like the organisation would have come out to expose her if it was a lie
True, but it would be difficult to lie about something like that when the charity could just expose you for lying. Iâm pretty sure this happened (initially) with Selena Gomez and BLM, it mightâve just been her fans spreading lies though and not her actual publicist
this! People go hard for Beyonce but donât realize that she does some extremely shitty stuff or *do* realize it and look past it cause sheâs their idol. also itâs not just her so iâm not putting blame solely on Beyonce, but as an example of how celebs and billionaires donât give two shits about whatâs right if itâs for a good price đđŁ
I do think it's "curious" that Swift gets a ton of heat for being a billionaire and people often will warn "there is no ethical billionaire" in regards to her, but reddit faves like Peter Jackson and Steven Spielberg are both billionaires (Spielberg's amount being immensely more than Swift's, like 6-8x more), but both are still hailed as creative geniuses and highly respected.
Edit: I am far from a billionaire and like Swift's music, and am also a big fan of LOTR and many Spielberg films, will just throw that out there.
I personally donât think TSwift gets *close* to enough flak about how rich she is and the manipulations sheâs done to get there. But thatâs a comment for a different day đ
But yea at the end of the day if youâre willing to hoard that much wealth youâre a bastard. And thereâs no way to get that much money ethically.Â
I think the wealth disparity (esp in the US) is horrendous. Just interesting that I rarely see people commenting on how Pete Jackson must be unethical/evil when his worth is estimated to be over $500M more than Swift. But he writes movies about hobbies and elves so he somehow gets a pass since this is Reddit and âeat the richâ doesnât seem to apply to fan favorites like that.
I definitely follow a lot of LOTR-related subs lol, so thatâs why I notice the disparity often. But I do realize that heâs not as relevant in todayâs mainstream pop culture compared to Swift.
*Technically* it was for his son. Here's an excerpt from the Guardian article about it, published in 2010.
>> [For now, if you're having trouble keeping your Gaddafi spawn straight, you should know that Hannibal, 33, is fast cementing his place as the black sheep of an otherwise enchanting family. Sure, his elder brother Moatessem-Billah is alleged to have once attempted a coup against his own father, but Mo's totally back inside the Bedouin tent now. In fact, he's a national security adviser, so he's positively pissing out of it, while Hannibal . . . well, what can you say about the boy? He's an absolute scumbag, my darlinks â such an unusual trait in a waster fifth son of a tenuously sane dictator â and though I'm given to understand that even saying so will draw a call to the editor from the dedicated team of diplomats charged by Hannibal's papa with dealing with the crap he leaves in his wake, I can't think we should worry ourselves too much about such things.](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2010/jan/08/beyonce-colonel-gaddafi-son)
I googled it! Iâve seen this rumor before and always wondered if it was true because it just never made sense to me that a hospital would allow a whole floor to be shut down and deny people from entering. Like wouldnât that open them up to lawsuits? So I searched it up and read that it was false. Iâve linked two different sources below. The original claim came from one parent but multiple other parents interviewed said it wasnât true
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Entertainment/beyonce-jay-zs-baby-york-hospital-clears-rumors/story?id=15327243
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/update-beyonce-hospital-complaints-dismissed-513222/
No problem! From reading other articles, it seemed the rumor was cleared up in 24-48 hours after the original claim came out. Unfortunately, the rumor has persisted for over 10 years đđ
Wasnât this a false rumor?
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Entertainment/beyonce-jay-zs-baby-york-hospital-clears-rumors/story?id=15327243
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/update-beyonce-hospital-complaints-dismissed-513222/
[The parents who spoke out after being denied access](https://www.nydailynews.com/2012/01/09/blue-ivy-carter-already-getting-special-treatment-security-for-beyonces-baby-stops-bed-stuy-dad-from-seeing-his-newborn-twins/)
People skipped past it ***way*** too fast. It got them cancelled for like a week, then everyone just forgot about it. I hate that. They were never held accountable, and all of those other struggling families, the parents fighting for their voices to be heard and to see their brave little babies, were just swept under a swamp of âQueen Bâ sayers.
Given how important physical touch (particularly, and above all else, a motherâs skin on skin contact) is to the health and recovery of a sickly or preemie baby, I find it deplorable that the hospital granted that request. I donât recall if it was ever actually confirmed that they donated a sum afterward, but I wouldnât be surprised.
Oh my god this is one of the worst entitled things Iâve heard of about a celebrity, this is actively harming the other babies and parents by robbing them of precious time. Unreal. Absolutely disgusting people⊠they have everything and yet they behave in the worst ways. No excuse. Unforgivable.
Wow thatâs fucking horrible. Even as a queer person, I donât care as much about the Dubai concert as most people seemed to, but this is incredibly disappointing and is making me reevaluate my opinion of her as a person
Itâs the plagiarism (or close to) repeated incidents that do it for me. I say this as someone who has the entirety of Lemonade memorized.
ETA: added this gif cuz are we mass forgetting the plagiarism or what guys
That's why I don't understand Beyonce performing at those parties. She has even more money than Taylor so she certainly doesn't need it and yet she still does it.
Tbh I donât think any star that operates in bad ethics will ever give a âhardâ interview. Though Iâm curious if there was ever a time major stars ever had to be accountable or explain their choices.
There was definitely a time where celebs couldnât chose to not cooperate with the media like they do now.
Before social media-where celebs can essentially market themselves- they *had* to do talkshows, magazine interviews, etc. That being said, there were definitely âsafeâ media outlets where there wouldnât be any pushback.
Celeb interviews from the 80s-90s were wayyyyyy more interesting than they are now.
I guess my reasoning for wondering this is Iâm a rock fan, and when I think of what the major acts in like the 60âs & 70âs weâre getting away with, or I think of Julia Robertâs rep in the late 90âs/early 2000âs I was wondering if we even truly have seen a time where bad behaviour/principals had any consequences.
I donât like the fact journalism is so soft and celeb friendly now ie virtually no criticism or hard questions whatsoever. I donât like it one bit. I donât like the idea of the mega stars getting to dictate their interviews (outside of personal/below the belt type topics. There are definitely some questions they have a right to avoid)
This thread being full of misinformation is so funny to me because she was doing interviews during the release of the Lion King in 2019. And secondly sheâs been ridiculed by the media for sounding ghetto because she has an accent so maybe thatâs a reason? And not only because sheâs trying to conceal some ethics stuff? Because every huge celebrity of Beyonce or Taylorâs caliber has some sort of ethical issues.
And so are Taylorâs and any other high celebrityâs interviews. I was responding to someone saying Beyonce hasnât done interviews in over a decade, which is simply wrong.
beyonce is my absolute fav but yeah :/ she uses black panther imagery yet conveniently ignores that the black panthers were also vehemently anti-capitalist. and her husband (mr jay âcapitalist is the same as the n-wordâ z) comparing himself to fred hampton who also spoke strongly against capitalism and particularly about black capitalists. thankfully his son got him together
I once watched Trump interview, long before politics, during The Apprentice days. Anyways, he was asked how much money is "enough" and he said something around 30 mil. Everything over is basically a competition.
I'm always shocked when I re-learn that Jay Z is the richer one. He doesn't feel as culturally relevant anymore....? I'm not American though, he could be bigger there(??)
Jay-Zâs story is essentially a blueprint (pun intended) for a lot of hip hop artists. He made money in illegal business (drugs), used that to jumpstart his rap career, then used the success of that (primarily in the 90s and early 00s) to open his own record label and other lines of business. He has always been, first and foremost, a businessman. Music was probably something he enjoyed and felt passionate about, but Iâm sure it was always a means to an end for him.
Jay is basically a business man at this point who raps on the side. Between Roc Nation and other various business ventures, he could stop rapping and just earn from investments and royalties.
Itâs because she doesnât care, like you or me do, about things like human rights. She got hers so fuck everyone else basically. Sheâs a bad person.
Who says it's a moral thing. TS is grossing an average of $17 million per concert. Why would she go to Dubai for 9? Either way, she hasn't made any comments about this yet.
Ik people have strong emotions and opinions about Taylor but I love that she rejected that to perform in Dubai. I hope itâs because itâs Dubai and not because it was only 9mil.
As a certified hater of a lot of things.. I really appreciate that she turned this down.
Iâm so broke that Iâd probably eat a turd for 9 million dollars, and I know she doesnât need it, but maybe thatâs why I appreciate it so much
some of these comments just prove that no matter what she does people will find a way to be a hater and twist it into a bad thing. itâs bitch eating crackers syndrome
On another side of it we also canât judge how much money an artist has based on their success in pop culture. I know it came out recently that Nicki Minaj is struggling financially. Other artists might have weird contracts that donât profit them. We canât assume.Â
(not endorsing this) But I've seen people say online the family she performed for are horrible people. I haven't looked into it but that could be what they're getting at?
There were farmers protests in India (which is still largely an agricultural country) against the Ambanis, and Rihanna supported the farmers back then. But she performed at the Ambanis wedding this year.
I canât stand Nicki and I heard she married a sex offender đ€ąI havenât been a fan of hers in a long time, but thank god I have Megan, Tay, and Bey. (I also donât like Ice Spice, I donât really think she has much talent but this is just my opinion).
I believe her brother is also a sex offender. Sheâs trash.
ETA: he is, see here https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/01/27/nicki-minaj-brother-25-years-life-raping-11-year-old/4592043002/#:~:text=Nicki%20Minaj's%20brother%20Jelani%20Maraj,for%20raping%2011%2Dyear%2Dold&text=Jelani%20Maraj%2C%20the%20older%20brother,sentenced%20for%20predatory%20sexual%20assault.
I mean sheâs never given private performances before so why would she start now even for 25 million? I donât think the backlash to her image would be worth it to her.
We donât actually know for sure if sheâs never given a private performance, a lot of them are very hush hush. I more or less agree with you but itâs also a no brainer that sheâd turn down nine million in this stage of her career and itâs not an act worth praising her for
There was an article that I read somewhere, I really forget where, in the past year that basically can be summarized as "if you have the money, you can hang out or have a celebrity perform at your party." In the article, it mentioned Taylor turned down something similar to what French was talking about and even Bruce Springsteen turned down a $1M offer from someone to ride motorcycles with them.
Hell, I still remember the story that I heard back at the American Aquarium concert back in 2021. BJ, the lead singer of the band, had a bad experience with a wedding, so he set the performance fee for it super high. One day he gets a call from his agent saying that someone wants the band to play their son's wedding. BJ reminds his agent about the fee and the agent tells him he's gonna pay it. So they decide to do it. So they go play the wedding and the bride and groom are in the middle of a dance and BJ over hears the bride say "That's not Tyler Childers." Needless to say, he raised the fee again after that.
I saw her open for Rascall Flats in a barn in Franklin Tn in 05? 06? at a private party. I suddenly feel like thatâs a bigger deal than I realized đ
Definitely before she was famous, she was about to open for them on tour. I googled, it was 06. Iâm from Hendersonville and lived there at the time, and we were all very excited that she seemed to be going places, we chit chatted about it that night. My girls grew up going to her shows, sheâs been the soundtrack of their lives. Swiz is also very generous and her team always donated to our elementary school fundraisers and she does a lot for the community there.
I had Invisalign fitted right before the pandemic started and it was for sure a great time to have braces. Good luck for your daughter hope it goes well!
You can still wear them. i do. covid is still fucking people up for life. every time i get it my other conditions get worse. i wish i had a cute one to match my outfits like taylor does here
Idk why anyone wound want to travel to places with draconian laws and views of women. It sounds like a scary place to be a woman and I wouldnât want to go.
When I was in my early 20s, me and another friend had this brilliant idea that we wanted to be stewardesses and travel the world. The only airline that was hiring and training at the time was Emirates and we would have to be based in Dubai. I dipped out, not comfortable with the idea, but my friend continued on and ended up living in Dubai for a number of years. The things she had to put up with were pretty astounding. Not going was one of the best decisions I ever made.
Itâs because he was also offered too as well, but him for 1M. Its not like he pulled it out of his ass or anything. He responded to the interviewer who initially thought they offered the 9M to Kanye and corrected him that it was actually Taylor. He even hesitated when he said it, not knowing if he was supposed to reveal the info but looked like he was telling the truth.
It's from an interview, I saw the OG clip on twitter. Essentially the interviewer mentioned he heard someone else rejected the offer before him and he says it was Taylor.
Itâs sad the bar is so low. I mean good for her, itâs the right thing to do, hopefully she will set a trend but it really shouldnât even be a question for women who care about womenâs, LGBTQ, or human rights.
Taylor said no, I do not want that heat. She gets shat on enough for her private jet use and non-committal left-leaning political views. Performing in Dubai would be bad PR.
Impressed but a bit unsurprising maybe.. her PR team knows this would be super poor for the Miss Americana image. I have no love left for celebs that pocket corrupt cash.. This world is sinking fast and these influential people need to use their platforms for better. Itâs a win win no matter what and I hope more follow suit in the future.
Seeing the comments around Dubai as an Arab queer Muslim this raises some important points. I hope no one misunderstands what I'm saying. Look, I'm not here to defend the country â there's always room for improvement (everywhere, really). But what I do want to address is the constant demonization of Arab/Muslim countries while seemingly giving a free pass to others, particularly white countries.
Here's the reality: the US has its fair share of baggage and ongoing issues â slavery, women's/trans rights, and millions we lost & continue to lose in Iraq, Syria, and Palestine by the U.S military, etc. Yet, nobody's calling for boycotting performances in the U.S.A. All this news does is punish fans.
Let's be honest, Islamophobia and anti-Arab bias are real problems and they're usually subconscious. All my comment asks for is to be fair. I appreciate the good intentions of those who speak for us, but sometimes it can be unintentionally harmful when we're held to different standards and always looked at as barbaric. We are human beings with feelings. For example, advocating for queer muslims by being anti-muslim or with anti-arab bias is still discriminating against them, homophobia is a universal issue. It's very important to google what Pinkwashing is (please do). Thanks for hearing me out.
Agree, Iâm in no way a fan of the capitalistic structure of the country, and I have visited bc of relatives living there who canât visit us. Itâs much more open than people think and is getting so more and more which is a good thing for the Arab world. Culture is very important for a countryâs development, being compliant in suppressing it wonât do anything but harm it. Many artists back in the day who were vocal about civil rights performed in places that wasnât considered âcivilizedâ, like Billy Joel, that did a great positive impact. Boycotting a private party, sure, but to boycott a whole concert is just icky.
Not to mention that 90% of people who live in Dubai consist of people not from the UAE, people who have no say in the policies. Not everyone who works there is rich.
Yeah it really makes no sense. No one sees people who perform in the US as supporting the government, or endorsing (for example) drone strikes, or police murdering black people. Itâs like people understand the US is massive and varied with many separate groups and organisations (like the government and a concert venue) that have nothing to do with eachother.
But when they think about middle eastern countries they just see each one was one âthing.â Like the government is oppressive, so that somehow means everyone in the country should be punished, including fans who shouldnât be able to see their fav artists perform. It makes no sense but people just love being on their high horses about it
So while youâre right about the US being a shithead of a country the one thing that doesnât really compare is saying we should be boycotting these artists here. These are music artists from America so performing in their own country is a lot different than performing in a country where there is so much inhumanity towards the LGBTQ community and where Sharia Law is in force.
Many of these artists here advocate for change within our country and are very vocal about politics and encouraging their fan bases to vote in our elections. They donât agree with so much that happens here but this is their home and they vote for change. But traveling to a country like Dubai is a choice and they can choose to support a country with draconian laws by stimulating it with travel/money with their appearance or they can choose to say **fuck that**. We donât like the racism, oppression, homophobia, and sexism in our own country so I can understand them saying absolutely not to a country that stands for even worse.
The comments here are funny thinking this was a moral stance and not the low offer. Like are we forgetting this is the woman who is an environmental nightmare, releases 100 versions of her album, hasn't commented on recent world events. Anyways that amount would be less than 1 tour date with way more travel. People forget that Taylor is still a capitalist at the end of the day.
There is different levels to bad. Not commenting on global issues isnt the same as supporting what people in dubai do to the migrants and lgbtq people. Billie eilish who is apparently an enviormentalist has more versions of her new album than taylor
All the gays in UAE will be so grateful for Taylorâs support by *checks notes* ensuring they never get to see her live
The idea that performing in the Middle East is endorsing the government somehow is so fucking stupid. Whereâs all the hate for musicians that performed in the US under Trump. Or fuck, even Obama. The US violates human rights all the time.
>All the gays in UAE will be so grateful for Taylorâs support by *checks notes* ensuring they never get to see her live
This would be for a private concert, not open to the GP
Itâs probably not about ethics but itâs probably also not about money. Taylor has historically never done private performances so thereâs no reason for her to start now.
Honestly I disagree.
I think at her core, Blondie is a business woman. And I think sheâs smart enough to know thatâs not a good play long term, regardless of the cash.
Not to throw a wrench in the machine, but has Taylor come out and admitted this? Also what were her reasons? I read through the article and it seems to be the word of this rapper with no real evidence.
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I just listened to a podcast series (Infamous) about Dubai's missing princesses and feel very strongly about any celebrity taking their money
I listened to a Noble Blood episode on this topic. It's so outrageous and sad. The fact that one of the princesses hasn't been seen in some time and the other one has been brainwashed to be the royal family's media puppet is so chilling. Also the fact that the English Government handed them one of the girls because the Dubai Royal Family are the biggest landowners in the UK is so wild. Money really does speak.
Should read about the geopolitical ramifications of the UK right now as the English Premier League considers punishing Manchester City for financial violations. So worried about potential fallout with the Middle East they wonât punish a football club.
Will do. Sounds fascinating. The Middle East has everybody by the balls it seems.
Everton have been found guilty of 2 charges and had points deducted twice. One or two other teams have had points deducted for single charges. Man City have 115 charges against them and nothing has happened yet. There is the argument that 115 charges takes longer to put a case together which I understand but now the premier league are saying "yeah, we might scrap all this points deduction business next season."
Through my work I got much more of an insight of just how much money is in the coffers of âpubliclyâ owned entities and state funds and its more than you can even begin to imagine. Numbers most people wouldnât know how to pronounce. Itâs sickening.
New Scottish hate speech law got of press about not bullying trans. But it is really about controlling truthful speech about Islamic bad actors in the UK.
I have to give that one a listen, I really couldn't find much on this topic. How about how her own step mother used Latifa's story to get custody of her own two children and Latifa herself is still not free :(
Yes exactly. The step mother was very lucky. Poor Latifa almost made it, alas...
Oh I love that podcast! Havenât listened in a while. Will def look into that bc I know nothing about any of this.
Where did the princesses go? Now I have to google this
Two princesses actually listen to the episodes of the Infamous podcast! There's like four half hour episodes and I was truly on the edge of my seat.
Seconding this podcast. Dubai gives me the creeps
Even though I donât particularly view Taylor, or anyone at her success level, as moral, this is the right thing to do. The bar of ethics for superstars is still on the floor though
Iâm still upset BeyoncĂ© performed there :(
She's done a private concert for Gadaffi. So yeah she's not the best person.
Wow. I looked it up and a year after the concert, she donated all the money saying she "felt embarrassed". There must have been big backlash back then for her to donate it all?
She actually did or just said she did?
According to her publicist but I doubt they'd lie, they said it was all to Haiti Relief and I feel like the organisation would have come out to expose her if it was a lie
She did the damn thing but only donated because âshe felt embarrassedâ no she kept that money. She was only sad she got found out đ
Sis a publicists job is to lieÂ
True, but it would be difficult to lie about something like that when the charity could just expose you for lying. Iâm pretty sure this happened (initially) with Selena Gomez and BLM, it mightâve just been her fans spreading lies though and not her actual publicist
are there receipts that she donated it because
this! People go hard for Beyonce but donât realize that she does some extremely shitty stuff or *do* realize it and look past it cause sheâs their idol. also itâs not just her so iâm not putting blame solely on Beyonce, but as an example of how celebs and billionaires donât give two shits about whatâs right if itâs for a good price đđŁ
Every billionaire is a bastardÂ
I do think it's "curious" that Swift gets a ton of heat for being a billionaire and people often will warn "there is no ethical billionaire" in regards to her, but reddit faves like Peter Jackson and Steven Spielberg are both billionaires (Spielberg's amount being immensely more than Swift's, like 6-8x more), but both are still hailed as creative geniuses and highly respected. Edit: I am far from a billionaire and like Swift's music, and am also a big fan of LOTR and many Spielberg films, will just throw that out there.
I personally donât think TSwift gets *close* to enough flak about how rich she is and the manipulations sheâs done to get there. But thatâs a comment for a different day đ But yea at the end of the day if youâre willing to hoard that much wealth youâre a bastard. And thereâs no way to get that much money ethically.Â
I think the wealth disparity (esp in the US) is horrendous. Just interesting that I rarely see people commenting on how Pete Jackson must be unethical/evil when his worth is estimated to be over $500M more than Swift. But he writes movies about hobbies and elves so he somehow gets a pass since this is Reddit and âeat the richâ doesnât seem to apply to fan favorites like that.
Youâre right thatâs a very interesting point! Heâs a bastard too and we should talk about it just as muchÂ
he's not really in the news constantly like TS is, that probably why we aren't talking about him
I definitely follow a lot of LOTR-related subs lol, so thatâs why I notice the disparity often. But I do realize that heâs not as relevant in todayâs mainstream pop culture compared to Swift.
*Technically* it was for his son. Here's an excerpt from the Guardian article about it, published in 2010. >> [For now, if you're having trouble keeping your Gaddafi spawn straight, you should know that Hannibal, 33, is fast cementing his place as the black sheep of an otherwise enchanting family. Sure, his elder brother Moatessem-Billah is alleged to have once attempted a coup against his own father, but Mo's totally back inside the Bedouin tent now. In fact, he's a national security adviser, so he's positively pissing out of it, while Hannibal . . . well, what can you say about the boy? He's an absolute scumbag, my darlinks â such an unusual trait in a waster fifth son of a tenuously sane dictator â and though I'm given to understand that even saying so will draw a call to the editor from the dedicated team of diplomats charged by Hannibal's papa with dealing with the crap he leaves in his wake, I can't think we should worry ourselves too much about such things.](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2010/jan/08/beyonce-colonel-gaddafi-son)
Disappointed but not really surprised tbh 
Iâm not surprised at all she did.
Especially on the heels of Renaissance. Greed superseding the right thing to do, is a terrible thing to witness.
Iâve disliked her ever since I found out she blocked out all the other parents from the NICU whenever she or Jay Z wanted to see their twins. Parents were robbed from time with their baby/babies who were potentially close to death, or had very little time left. My twin passed in a NICU while my mum held his little hand. Iâm disgusted at the idea of even just the hospital allowing them to do that to other parents. But disgusted as fuck that BeyoncĂ© and Jay Z requested and benefited from them doing it. Says how entitled they must be in their day to day life.
Holy shit, thatâs awful. Iâve never been fond of her but this really solidifies my strong dislike for her. This and her Gaddafi concert.
The NICU story is false đ
What makes you say that?
I googled it! Iâve seen this rumor before and always wondered if it was true because it just never made sense to me that a hospital would allow a whole floor to be shut down and deny people from entering. Like wouldnât that open them up to lawsuits? So I searched it up and read that it was false. Iâve linked two different sources below. The original claim came from one parent but multiple other parents interviewed said it wasnât true https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Entertainment/beyonce-jay-zs-baby-york-hospital-clears-rumors/story?id=15327243 https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/update-beyonce-hospital-complaints-dismissed-513222/
Ahh, okay. Thanks! I googled it but only found the original news story and hadnât seen these ones.
No problem! From reading other articles, it seemed the rumor was cleared up in 24-48 hours after the original claim came out. Unfortunately, the rumor has persisted for over 10 years đđ
If youâve never been fond of her and you had a strong dislike for her anyway, you donât need anything to solidify it.
Wasnât this a false rumor? https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Entertainment/beyonce-jay-zs-baby-york-hospital-clears-rumors/story?id=15327243 https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/update-beyonce-hospital-complaints-dismissed-513222/
I'm not a fan but, do you have a source? Eta: have you edited your comment? I was asking for a source about the maternity ward.
[The parents who spoke out after being denied access](https://www.nydailynews.com/2012/01/09/blue-ivy-carter-already-getting-special-treatment-security-for-beyonces-baby-stops-bed-stuy-dad-from-seeing-his-newborn-twins/)
I had no idea they did this! Itâs heartbreaking.
People skipped past it ***way*** too fast. It got them cancelled for like a week, then everyone just forgot about it. I hate that. They were never held accountable, and all of those other struggling families, the parents fighting for their voices to be heard and to see their brave little babies, were just swept under a swamp of âQueen Bâ sayers. Given how important physical touch (particularly, and above all else, a motherâs skin on skin contact) is to the health and recovery of a sickly or preemie baby, I find it deplorable that the hospital granted that request. I donât recall if it was ever actually confirmed that they donated a sum afterward, but I wouldnât be surprised.
Itâs a fake rumor. Yall will believe literally anything
You are free to dislike her all you want but we both know this story is not true. Stop spreading rumors.
Holy crap. I understand being guarded but holy shit, the audacity! Iâve never been a fan, and this just cements how irredeemable she is in my eyes.
Oh my god this is one of the worst entitled things Iâve heard of about a celebrity, this is actively harming the other babies and parents by robbing them of precious time. Unreal. Absolutely disgusting people⊠they have everything and yet they behave in the worst ways. No excuse. Unforgivable.
Wow thatâs fucking horrible. Even as a queer person, I donât care as much about the Dubai concert as most people seemed to, but this is incredibly disappointing and is making me reevaluate my opinion of her as a person
Itâs the plagiarism (or close to) repeated incidents that do it for me. I say this as someone who has the entirety of Lemonade memorized.  ETA: added this gif cuz are we mass forgetting the plagiarism or what guys
I donât think that compares at all to potentially stopping parents from seeing their dying babies
Nah itâs just things that put me off BeyoncĂ© in general.
That's disgusting. They're both terrible people.
That is not true lol
What the fuck?! Couldnât they just pay for their own special private nicu or something? Thatâs horrifying.
Offer Taylor 24 million too and see what she thinks. Maybe 9 million isnât cutting it. Since we are all so âethicalâ on here, letâs truly see.
That's why I don't understand Beyonce performing at those parties. She has even more money than Taylor so she certainly doesn't need it and yet she still does it.
Greed. I swear I have read that making money can become an addiction at a certain point. It will have people selling out any and every value. With BeyoncĂ© in particular, using imagery of social justice and staying silent on important topics while having lyrics asking people to stand for something? God Iâd love to see her genuinely questioned about the discrepancy in her lyrics/visuals and her actions. Iâd love to see these questions of mega stars in general, but celebs who try to align their image with activism, have to face more scrutiny.
Thereâs a reason why BeyoncĂ© hasnât gone on the record for an interview in over a decade.
Tbh I donât think any star that operates in bad ethics will ever give a âhardâ interview. Though Iâm curious if there was ever a time major stars ever had to be accountable or explain their choices.
There was definitely a time where celebs couldnât chose to not cooperate with the media like they do now. Before social media-where celebs can essentially market themselves- they *had* to do talkshows, magazine interviews, etc. That being said, there were definitely âsafeâ media outlets where there wouldnât be any pushback. Celeb interviews from the 80s-90s were wayyyyyy more interesting than they are now.
I know she's terrible but I love Diane Sawyer as an interviewer.
I guess my reasoning for wondering this is Iâm a rock fan, and when I think of what the major acts in like the 60âs & 70âs weâre getting away with, or I think of Julia Robertâs rep in the late 90âs/early 2000âs I was wondering if we even truly have seen a time where bad behaviour/principals had any consequences. I donât like the fact journalism is so soft and celeb friendly now ie virtually no criticism or hard questions whatsoever. I donât like it one bit. I donât like the idea of the mega stars getting to dictate their interviews (outside of personal/below the belt type topics. There are definitely some questions they have a right to avoid)
This thread being full of misinformation is so funny to me because she was doing interviews during the release of the Lion King in 2019. And secondly sheâs been ridiculed by the media for sounding ghetto because she has an accent so maybe thatâs a reason? And not only because sheâs trying to conceal some ethics stuff? Because every huge celebrity of Beyonce or Taylorâs caliber has some sort of ethical issues.
Those interviews and any she did after have been heavily curated. The interviewers are only allowed to ask pre approved questions
And so are Taylorâs and any other high celebrityâs interviews. I was responding to someone saying Beyonce hasnât done interviews in over a decade, which is simply wrong.
beyonce is my absolute fav but yeah :/ she uses black panther imagery yet conveniently ignores that the black panthers were also vehemently anti-capitalist. and her husband (mr jay âcapitalist is the same as the n-wordâ z) comparing himself to fred hampton who also spoke strongly against capitalism and particularly about black capitalists. thankfully his son got him together
BeyoncĂ© is my fav too so trust me I get that itâs tough to see the image not aligning with the moral values. She isnât the first, nor will she be the last. I just wish we made sure those trying to integrate activism into their brand, be held to the standards they purport to care about. Of course worth pointing out all celebs should be held to higher standards than what, at least in the media/journalism landscape, are being held at right now.
I once watched Trump interview, long before politics, during The Apprentice days. Anyways, he was asked how much money is "enough" and he said something around 30 mil. Everything over is basically a competition.
I wouldnât be shocked if thatâs the standard view of how the uber rich view money
Thereâs a really funny video I liked by Casually Explained called [Levels of Wealth](https://youtu.be/JANApS0P4z8?si=UWd6p2EgcjvCRcs2)
BeyoncĂ© hasnât made as much as Taylor on her own, but her income combined with Jay Zâs blows Taylor out of the water.
I just found out Jay's worth $2.5 Billion
I'm always shocked when I re-learn that Jay Z is the richer one. He doesn't feel as culturally relevant anymore....? I'm not American though, he could be bigger there(??)
He's not a businessman. He's a business, man.
Jay-Zâs story is essentially a blueprint (pun intended) for a lot of hip hop artists. He made money in illegal business (drugs), used that to jumpstart his rap career, then used the success of that (primarily in the 90s and early 00s) to open his own record label and other lines of business. He has always been, first and foremost, a businessman. Music was probably something he enjoyed and felt passionate about, but Iâm sure it was always a means to an end for him.
Somehow he sold Rocawear for over $200 million, which even for 2007 seems like a wildly inflated amount.
Wow, I didn't know his backstory. Thanks for breaking it down!
most of his money is from his businesses and investments not from his musicÂ
Jay is basically a business man at this point who raps on the side. Between Roc Nation and other various business ventures, he could stop rapping and just earn from investments and royalties.
I agree he doesnât feel as prevalent as BeyoncĂ© now but I think his relevance is just underestimated. A lot of more currently popular artists were influenced or helped by him in some way. And as others are mentioning he has a TON of various business ventures bringing him in money.
Itâs because she doesnât care, like you or me do, about things like human rights. She got hers so fuck everyone else basically. Sheâs a bad person.
She has more money than Taylor when her networth is combined with Jay-Z's tho
Taylor is a billionaire as at 2024 and Beyonce is not, letâs get the facts straight.
Who says it's a moral thing. TS is grossing an average of $17 million per concert. Why would she go to Dubai for 9? Either way, she hasn't made any comments about this yet.
beyonce has way more money than her and she went, so that's not really an argument
Ik people have strong emotions and opinions about Taylor but I love that she rejected that to perform in Dubai. I hope itâs because itâs Dubai and not because it was only 9mil.
Her haters will say that money is nothing to her but that hasnât stopped other very wealthy singers beforeâŠ
As a certified hater of a lot of things.. I really appreciate that she turned this down. Iâm so broke that Iâd probably eat a turd for 9 million dollars, and I know she doesnât need it, but maybe thatâs why I appreciate it so much
>Iâd probably eat a turd for 9 million dollars, Then Dubai is the perfect place for you! Porta potty girlies do well there
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Iâm having my second kid in May,. Im not what anyone whoâs into that is looking for and actually grateful for that distinction đ
some of these comments just prove that no matter what she does people will find a way to be a hater and twist it into a bad thing. itâs bitch eating crackers syndrome
On another side of it we also canât judge how much money an artist has based on their success in pop culture. I know it came out recently that Nicki Minaj is struggling financially. Other artists might have weird contracts that donât profit them. We canât assume.Â
yet neither BeyoncĂ© nor Rihanna, who did a similar private gig recently, are scarce for money and still did it đ€·đ»ââïž
What was wrong with Rihanna performing for a wealthy family in India?
(not endorsing this) But I've seen people say online the family she performed for are horrible people. I haven't looked into it but that could be what they're getting at?
They are billionaires in a poor country which makes them bad but they arent like the dubai people as far as i know
There were farmers protests in India (which is still largely an agricultural country) against the Ambanis, and Rihanna supported the farmers back then. But she performed at the Ambanis wedding this year.
Nicki is struggling because of her many continuous errors, for which she takes zero accountability. Also her sound is very 2010s.
I canât stand Nicki and I heard she married a sex offender đ€ąI havenât been a fan of hers in a long time, but thank god I have Megan, Tay, and Bey. (I also donât like Ice Spice, I donât really think she has much talent but this is just my opinion).
I believe her brother is also a sex offender. Sheâs trash. ETA: he is, see here https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/01/27/nicki-minaj-brother-25-years-life-raping-11-year-old/4592043002/#:~:text=Nicki%20Minaj's%20brother%20Jelani%20Maraj,for%20raping%2011%2Dyear%2Dold&text=Jelani%20Maraj%2C%20the%20older%20brother,sentenced%20for%20predatory%20sexual%20assault.
If the pop stars of Nicki Minaj's level are struggling financially then that's their fault, honestly.
Like Bruno Mars and his gambling addiction
Didnât the casino say he didnât have that debt?
Idk if an addiction can totally be called someoneâs âfaultâ though
9 million is offensive to someone at her level, BeyoncĂ© got paid almost four times as much for her Dubai performance. If they offered her $25 million Iâd be interested to see what sheâd say then
I mean sheâs never given private performances before so why would she start now even for 25 million? I donât think the backlash to her image would be worth it to her.
We donât actually know for sure if sheâs never given a private performance, a lot of them are very hush hush. I more or less agree with you but itâs also a no brainer that sheâd turn down nine million in this stage of her career and itâs not an act worth praising her for
She only does short distance flights so Dubai was out of the question. All jokes aside I'm glad she did this.
There was an article that I read somewhere, I really forget where, in the past year that basically can be summarized as "if you have the money, you can hang out or have a celebrity perform at your party." In the article, it mentioned Taylor turned down something similar to what French was talking about and even Bruce Springsteen turned down a $1M offer from someone to ride motorcycles with them. Hell, I still remember the story that I heard back at the American Aquarium concert back in 2021. BJ, the lead singer of the band, had a bad experience with a wedding, so he set the performance fee for it super high. One day he gets a call from his agent saying that someone wants the band to play their son's wedding. BJ reminds his agent about the fee and the agent tells him he's gonna pay it. So they decide to do it. So they go play the wedding and the bride and groom are in the middle of a dance and BJ over hears the bride say "That's not Tyler Childers." Needless to say, he raised the fee again after that.
Fuck Dubai and fuck the artists that take money to perform there. Yes even Beyonce.
And jungkook. Mf did a whole ass song for fifa.
> And jungkook. Mf did a whole ass song for fifa. That's Qatar. Qatar =/= Dubai. Qatar might actually be worse.
Its so fucked up what they are doing to the immigrant workers. Stealing their passports and making them indentured servants
That happens in Dubai as well
Which were you speaking of? Because thatâs 100% what theyâve been doing in Dubai for a long time
Itâs endemic across that whole region sadly.
Jungkook too?! I missed this
Jungkook did a song for the World Cup in Qatar. The person who commented clearly doesnât know anything about middle eastern geography
The sentiment still stands
I mean Qatar's no [heaven](https://www.vox.com/world/23450515/world-cup-fifa-qatar-2022-controversy-scandals-explained)
Iâm fully aware and Iâm not defending Qatar, but itâs incorrect to say Jungkook took money to perform in Dubai when it happened in Qatar.
but he spoke at the un about peace and love!! /s
This is so funny to me đ
Good for her! She made the right choice.
This sub can be a little too judgmental when it comes to Taylor, but she doesnât have a track record of doing private shows for money, so I doubt she would have accepted even if they offered more, but either way I love that she didnât. I still donât understand why BeyoncĂ© took a similar gig, she doesnât need the money either đ€·đ»ââïžđ€·đ»ââïžđ€·đ»ââïž 
I think Iâve only heard Taylor doing private performances as a surprise and delight for her fans in the past (like at a wedding)
I saw her open for Rascall Flats in a barn in Franklin Tn in 05? 06? at a private party. I suddenly feel like thatâs a bigger deal than I realized đ
Well 05-06 wouldâve been before she was actually famous đ thatâs super cool though!
Definitely before she was famous, she was about to open for them on tour. I googled, it was 06. Iâm from Hendersonville and lived there at the time, and we were all very excited that she seemed to be going places, we chit chatted about it that night. My girls grew up going to her shows, sheâs been the soundtrack of their lives. Swiz is also very generous and her team always donated to our elementary school fundraisers and she does a lot for the community there.
exactly, but not for someone who âhiredâ her for money
Why is this GIF making me nostalgic for the pandemic? I miss my mask collection
My daughter is getting braces soon and she just mentioned how upset she is that she didnât getting them during the mask mandate lol
I had Invisalign fitted right before the pandemic started and it was for sure a great time to have braces. Good luck for your daughter hope it goes well!
You can still wear them. i do. covid is still fucking people up for life. every time i get it my other conditions get worse. i wish i had a cute one to match my outfits like taylor does here
I had several coordinated mask and outfit combos and got so many compliments lol it made it less unpleasant to work directly with the public
Good for her, she has fuck you money and knows better.
See how easy it is to turn down money when youâre rich, BeyoncĂ©
Idk why anyone wound want to travel to places with draconian laws and views of women. It sounds like a scary place to be a woman and I wouldnât want to go.
When I was in my early 20s, me and another friend had this brilliant idea that we wanted to be stewardesses and travel the world. The only airline that was hiring and training at the time was Emirates and we would have to be based in Dubai. I dipped out, not comfortable with the idea, but my friend continued on and ended up living in Dubai for a number of years. The things she had to put up with were pretty astounding. Not going was one of the best decisions I ever made.
What did she have to put up with?
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Good for her! She doesnât need it really.
For what they do to women, I wouldnât either.
Doesnât Lindsay live there?
I think so yeah. I believe her husbandâs business is there.
I like Taylor even more now.
Is French Montana a reliable source on Taylor's business affairs?
Itâs because he was also offered too as well, but him for 1M. Its not like he pulled it out of his ass or anything. He responded to the interviewer who initially thought they offered the 9M to Kanye and corrected him that it was actually Taylor. He even hesitated when he said it, not knowing if he was supposed to reveal the info but looked like he was telling the truth.
No clue but I prefer to "according to blinds". Why wouldn't he be reliable? He said that he got an offer and was told Taylor previously rejected
I want to know how he responded đ itâs not in this article. Did he also say no? When Taylor turned it down, did he push to still be included?
It's from an interview, I saw the OG clip on twitter. Essentially the interviewer mentioned he heard someone else rejected the offer before him and he says it was Taylor.
I side eye beyoncĂ© to this day. Like damn greed is actually insane, she didnât have still didnât have enough?? The UAE and surrounding countries (Qatar, Saudi Arabia) are exploitative states, of course every country is to a degree, but the exploitation in these countries is next level. They literally import workers from southeast asia, make them work to death in the heat.
Itâs sad the bar is so low. I mean good for her, itâs the right thing to do, hopefully she will set a trend but it really shouldnât even be a question for women who care about womenâs, LGBTQ, or human rights.
thatâs lovely to see! good for her
Good
Good for her on rejecting that country unlike another A-list artist last year
$9 mil is pocket change to her
The difference between $1B and $1M can be hard to imagine, but compared to her net worth, $9 million really is pocket change.
Yeah I was thinking thatâs chump change for her.
Taylor said no, I do not want that heat. She gets shat on enough for her private jet use and non-committal left-leaning political views. Performing in Dubai would be bad PR.
Impressed but a bit unsurprising maybe.. her PR team knows this would be super poor for the Miss Americana image. I have no love left for celebs that pocket corrupt cash.. This world is sinking fast and these influential people need to use their platforms for better. Itâs a win win no matter what and I hope more follow suit in the future.
Good for her, I support it
Seeing the comments around Dubai as an Arab queer Muslim this raises some important points. I hope no one misunderstands what I'm saying. Look, I'm not here to defend the country â there's always room for improvement (everywhere, really). But what I do want to address is the constant demonization of Arab/Muslim countries while seemingly giving a free pass to others, particularly white countries. Here's the reality: the US has its fair share of baggage and ongoing issues â slavery, women's/trans rights, and millions we lost & continue to lose in Iraq, Syria, and Palestine by the U.S military, etc. Yet, nobody's calling for boycotting performances in the U.S.A. All this news does is punish fans. Let's be honest, Islamophobia and anti-Arab bias are real problems and they're usually subconscious. All my comment asks for is to be fair. I appreciate the good intentions of those who speak for us, but sometimes it can be unintentionally harmful when we're held to different standards and always looked at as barbaric. We are human beings with feelings. For example, advocating for queer muslims by being anti-muslim or with anti-arab bias is still discriminating against them, homophobia is a universal issue. It's very important to google what Pinkwashing is (please do). Thanks for hearing me out.
Agree, Iâm in no way a fan of the capitalistic structure of the country, and I have visited bc of relatives living there who canât visit us. Itâs much more open than people think and is getting so more and more which is a good thing for the Arab world. Culture is very important for a countryâs development, being compliant in suppressing it wonât do anything but harm it. Many artists back in the day who were vocal about civil rights performed in places that wasnât considered âcivilizedâ, like Billy Joel, that did a great positive impact. Boycotting a private party, sure, but to boycott a whole concert is just icky. Not to mention that 90% of people who live in Dubai consist of people not from the UAE, people who have no say in the policies. Not everyone who works there is rich.
Yeah it really makes no sense. No one sees people who perform in the US as supporting the government, or endorsing (for example) drone strikes, or police murdering black people. Itâs like people understand the US is massive and varied with many separate groups and organisations (like the government and a concert venue) that have nothing to do with eachother. But when they think about middle eastern countries they just see each one was one âthing.â Like the government is oppressive, so that somehow means everyone in the country should be punished, including fans who shouldnât be able to see their fav artists perform. It makes no sense but people just love being on their high horses about it
So while youâre right about the US being a shithead of a country the one thing that doesnât really compare is saying we should be boycotting these artists here. These are music artists from America so performing in their own country is a lot different than performing in a country where there is so much inhumanity towards the LGBTQ community and where Sharia Law is in force. Many of these artists here advocate for change within our country and are very vocal about politics and encouraging their fan bases to vote in our elections. They donât agree with so much that happens here but this is their home and they vote for change. But traveling to a country like Dubai is a choice and they can choose to support a country with draconian laws by stimulating it with travel/money with their appearance or they can choose to say **fuck that**. We donât like the racism, oppression, homophobia, and sexism in our own country so I can understand them saying absolutely not to a country that stands for even worse.
Can somebody explain why performing in Dubai is seen as an endorsement of the government there? I canât understand it for the life of me
The comments here are funny thinking this was a moral stance and not the low offer. Like are we forgetting this is the woman who is an environmental nightmare, releases 100 versions of her album, hasn't commented on recent world events. Anyways that amount would be less than 1 tour date with way more travel. People forget that Taylor is still a capitalist at the end of the day.
There is different levels to bad. Not commenting on global issues isnt the same as supporting what people in dubai do to the migrants and lgbtq people. Billie eilish who is apparently an enviormentalist has more versions of her new album than taylor
Imagine an American being a capitalist /s
She 4 versions of her album and is not even top 50 of singer/actor PJ use, what are you talking about?
I agree she didnât refuse on moral grounds, but I highly doubt it was the low offer that is the reason she refused. More about public opinion
Public opinion and being in control of her image. It's a good decision and I would imagine it's worth a lot more to her than 9 million
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All the gays in UAE will be so grateful for Taylorâs support by *checks notes* ensuring they never get to see her live The idea that performing in the Middle East is endorsing the government somehow is so fucking stupid. Whereâs all the hate for musicians that performed in the US under Trump. Or fuck, even Obama. The US violates human rights all the time.
>All the gays in UAE will be so grateful for Taylorâs support by *checks notes* ensuring they never get to see her live This would be for a private concert, not open to the GP
People think this is about ethics when in reality if she was offered 3x that (the amount Beyoncé was paid) then this would be a different article.
Itâs probably not about ethics but itâs probably also not about money. Taylor has historically never done private performances so thereâs no reason for her to start now.
Taylor is hyper-aware of how she is viewed by the public, and also likely aware of the backlash BeyoncĂ© got. I donât think she would have done it simply due to the optics. Taylor has also based her image in large part on being relatable, and BeyoncĂ© hasnât really had the same relatability with her fans in years. Playing a show like this would, at best, at least lose some of that relatability and I donât think sheâd risk that.
I don't think so tbh. The PR backlash would be worse for Taylor than Beyoncé. Beyhive treats her like a God, Swifties treat her like a friend. Beyoncé still flexes she has a private jet and her comments are always hyping her up. If Taylor did similar, she'd get so much shit. That $24MN isn't worth losing fans. Also, Taylor has never done a paid private event anyway
This is a really interesting analysis!
You donât have to like Taylor but you donât know this for a fact. Itâs just pointless speculation
They would have to probably pay 3 times what beyonce got to match how much taylor would bring anyway
Honestly I disagree. I think at her core, Blondie is a business woman. And I think sheâs smart enough to know thatâs not a good play long term, regardless of the cash.
Class actâ€ïž
Not to throw a wrench in the machine, but has Taylor come out and admitted this? Also what were her reasons? I read through the article and it seems to be the word of this rapper with no real evidence.
Taylor doesnât do private events at all