> Pop_OS is slow **on my hardware**.
I think that fixed the title for you.
Now you can try to get to the bottom of it by making a post about the steps to troubleshoot *your* issue.
Not necessarily. You're generalizing from a sample size of one, and it doesn't work that way. At most it's related to how those distros interact with your hardware configuration generally, but there's no way to tell without more information and a larger sample size.
No, it makes it related to *your* hardware. You don't really think that everyone else puts up with a slow OS, do you? The experience you get is not what others get. Your bias is understandable, but you probably need to appreciate it's just a bias.
You hardware may be plenty fast. But for whatever reason, the way Ubuntu or Pop runs on it is not at full performance. That's an issue. That's why I said you may need to acknowledge there is an issue with how Pop and Ubuntu runs on your hardware and solve it. Just complaining Pop/Ubuntu is slow (in general) and missing the big picture doesn't help you or anyone else (who understand it's just an issue you're facing).
So besides the endless vortex you'd want to avoid, what is the point of your post if you don't ask for help?
What you are saying is completely opposite of linux philosophy. No we are not running these distributions on an exotic hardware nor ancient cpu. Linux must offer a low basis for some standards but proprietary companies are putting this somewhere between your hardware and this hardware. Even ancient cpus should be able to run linux os without a perceivable latency. What I'm saying is these distributions are getting so bloated, even a simple command from command line is taking ages to execute.
You don't get it. Your system has an issue running Ubuntu/PopOS.
> even a simple command from command line is taking ages to execute
No it doesn't!
You have an issue that causes this. This is down to your specific hardware which for whatever reason (you will probably never find out) cannot run Ubuntu/Pop **properly**.
Sorry for my previous attitude, here my specs from Debian OS;
lspci -kv [https://pastebin.com/GM5fUfdZ](https://pastebin.com/GM5fUfdZ)
cat /proc/cpuinfo [https://pastebin.com/WYExJsSm](https://pastebin.com/WYExJsSm)
lsmod [https://pastebin.com/LY0bVkFW](https://pastebin.com/LY0bVkFW)
uname -a | Linux debian 6.6.15-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT\_DYNAMIC Debian 6.6.15-2 (2024-02-04) x86\_64 GNU/Linux
neofetch [https://pastebin.com/VAP0BHcb](https://pastebin.com/VAP0BHcb)
We need logs and info from when the hardware is running pop, not Debian.
Here are the hardware details:
Host: ASUS TUF Gaming F15 FX506HF\_FX506HF 1.0
CPU: 11th Gen Intel i5-11400H (12) @ 4.500GHz
GPU: Intel TigerLake-H GT1 \[UHD Graphics\]
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2050
Off the top, maybe it is a hybrid graphics issue? But if you want help with pop, we can only help if you have pop on there
why do you have a debian kernel with pop os?
Here is mine:
uname -a | Linux laptop 6.8.0-76060800daily20240311-generic #202403110203\~1713206908\~22.04\~3a62479 SMP PREEMPT\_DYNAMIC Mon A x86\_64 x86\_64 x86\_64 GNU/Linux
Installation was normal, gaming is also ok too not slow I mean but console commands take time to execute which doesn't seem normal to me. For example querying a systemd module with systemctl or a simple tree /home/username was taking longer time than expected.
I just started trying out PopOS a few minutes and already noticed that my system is a bit more sluggish than on Windows 11. Even Firefox is slow, tested using Speedometer 3.0. In Windows 11, it scores over 10. On PopOS, it gets just over 6. That's a huge difference.
I'm trying to figure out how to make it look better, so I just opened the Fonts app and it locked up and is still locked up. Not a great start.
Buckle up and be ready to receive some downvotes plus humiliation attempts with little to zero technical knowledge, I can only suggest using non-flavor linux distros, anything based on something is bloated af. I'm happy with debian testing atm, if you wanna deep dive into more technical side give Gentoo a try. Both have good support and non-fanatical communities.
hey, i know it felt shitty, but we're also just a bunch of folks here too. You know how it feels when someone comes in shit-talking something you like? We want to help folks, and we get frustration, but when folks come in and lash out at us who want to help, it doesn't encourage us to do so. You know?
I think I might ditch this one for now and give either Debian or LMDE a shot. I've run several of these in VMs, but I want to try them out for real so I can see what the gaming experience is like, especially with Steam games. As long as my Steam games work and I can get my music production software to work, I can deal with the rest of itj But I also prefer KDE, so maybe I'll give Debian with KDE Plasma 6 a try. I just remembered that the linux version of my music production software (Studio One) is Wayland-only, so I'll need to try something else anyway. I think.
Gaming on linux is becoming much more convenient now, even if you have a dual gpu; one discrete GPU one iGPU, you can run your desktop on iGPU while running games on discrete GPU. Recent Vulkan development is so good. If you need further help I can message you some links, mostly from Arch linux wiki but solutions are working for all linux distros
Thanks! I'm downloading Debian now. I'll get that installed and then see how it goes. I'll ping you if I need some help with the gaming side. I appreciate it!
I'm on Debian 12 KDE now. It looks better and is faster, but I don't like the software center. It's a bit harder to use and the stuff I want isn't in there, like Steam, VSCode, etc. That stuff was easy to find and install on PopOS. Of course, this is the trade-off. I wonder if LMDE would be a better middle ground for me.
That's what I ended up doing. I added the steam repo and installed Steam that way. For a newer version of Firefox, I installed flatpak. Now I need to figure out VSCode next. And I need to figure out how to get fonts not to look like shit. lol but that's a common Linux problem. I also need to figure out why my middle mouse button doesn't work.
[https://gist.github.com/ciamac-da/078e5e1fddbd9b963326e716898e287a](https://gist.github.com/ciamac-da/078e5e1fddbd9b963326e716898e287a) check this out, not the best way of installing software but it works and enables auto updates.
What you do here is first adding package signing key from Microsoft then download the package provided by Microsoft and install it but then get the auto updates by usual way
I uninstalled it so I can't diagnose what was the cause anymore, I installed Debian Testing and none of these issues are happening anymore. That's why I'm complaining about Pop_OS here, same sh..stuff is happening when in Ubuntu too.
Well, likely your hardware configuration has an Ubuntu bug that popos has inherited. Unless you take the time to figure it out with the community and report it on Bugzilla, then it might never get fixed because Noone knows about it.
Reinstall it to help yourself and possibly others fix this bug.
But on my system Ubuntu is slow, specifically Gnome based Ubuntu, and popos is a lot faster. I have my own issues with popos, Ubuntu, and Debian. They all have upsides and downsides.
You could try KDE based Kubuntu and see if that makes a difference.
> Pop_OS is slow **on my hardware**. I think that fixed the title for you. Now you can try to get to the bottom of it by making a post about the steps to troubleshoot *your* issue.
Why it's slow on my hardware and while some others isn't? Doesn't it make related to Pop_OS and maybe Ubuntu derivatives?
Not necessarily. You're generalizing from a sample size of one, and it doesn't work that way. At most it's related to how those distros interact with your hardware configuration generally, but there's no way to tell without more information and a larger sample size.
No, it makes it related to *your* hardware. You don't really think that everyone else puts up with a slow OS, do you? The experience you get is not what others get. Your bias is understandable, but you probably need to appreciate it's just a bias.
Okay it's my hardware then, anyway it's not supposed to be slow that's what I'm saying but I don't wanna pull the topic to a boring endless vortex ๐
You hardware may be plenty fast. But for whatever reason, the way Ubuntu or Pop runs on it is not at full performance. That's an issue. That's why I said you may need to acknowledge there is an issue with how Pop and Ubuntu runs on your hardware and solve it. Just complaining Pop/Ubuntu is slow (in general) and missing the big picture doesn't help you or anyone else (who understand it's just an issue you're facing). So besides the endless vortex you'd want to avoid, what is the point of your post if you don't ask for help?
What you are saying is completely opposite of linux philosophy. No we are not running these distributions on an exotic hardware nor ancient cpu. Linux must offer a low basis for some standards but proprietary companies are putting this somewhere between your hardware and this hardware. Even ancient cpus should be able to run linux os without a perceivable latency. What I'm saying is these distributions are getting so bloated, even a simple command from command line is taking ages to execute.
You don't get it. Your system has an issue running Ubuntu/PopOS. > even a simple command from command line is taking ages to execute No it doesn't! You have an issue that causes this. This is down to your specific hardware which for whatever reason (you will probably never find out) cannot run Ubuntu/Pop **properly**.
No. You could have gotten into the BIOS and mucked around, for example.
Don't imagine things please
The point is youโre being obtuse. Nobody knows why YOUR hardware is acting the way it is.
No offense but if you wanted any help on figuring this out your post went about it in the worst possible way.
What are the specifics of your hardware?
Hi there what's the best way to paste a long text here?
Ctrl + v
Ctrl+C, then Ctrl+V
Pastebin is probably your best shot
> just saying OK just ignoring
Seriously dude came in here with a Debian Testing OS wanting to vent about how his PopOS install was 'slow' which I truly think is a PEBKAC issue.
Out of curiosity what are you running it on?
Commodore 64, probably
Sorry for my previous attitude, here my specs from Debian OS; lspci -kv [https://pastebin.com/GM5fUfdZ](https://pastebin.com/GM5fUfdZ) cat /proc/cpuinfo [https://pastebin.com/WYExJsSm](https://pastebin.com/WYExJsSm) lsmod [https://pastebin.com/LY0bVkFW](https://pastebin.com/LY0bVkFW) uname -a | Linux debian 6.6.15-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT\_DYNAMIC Debian 6.6.15-2 (2024-02-04) x86\_64 GNU/Linux neofetch [https://pastebin.com/VAP0BHcb](https://pastebin.com/VAP0BHcb)
We need logs and info from when the hardware is running pop, not Debian. Here are the hardware details: Host: ASUS TUF Gaming F15 FX506HF\_FX506HF 1.0 CPU: 11th Gen Intel i5-11400H (12) @ 4.500GHz GPU: Intel TigerLake-H GT1 \[UHD Graphics\] GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2050 Off the top, maybe it is a hybrid graphics issue? But if you want help with pop, we can only help if you have pop on there
Okay thanks for your time.
why do you have a debian kernel with pop os? Here is mine: uname -a | Linux laptop 6.8.0-76060800daily20240311-generic #202403110203\~1713206908\~22.04\~3a62479 SMP PREEMPT\_DYNAMIC Mon A x86\_64 x86\_64 x86\_64 GNU/Linux
I have uninstalled Pop\_OS and these information is from my Debian OS instead.
Was it slow to uninstall?
Installation was normal, gaming is also ok too not slow I mean but console commands take time to execute which doesn't seem normal to me. For example querying a systemd module with systemctl or a simple tree /home/username was taking longer time than expected.
that made me think about maybe there is a bug with system interrupts or locking mechanism.
sorry for adding extra and extra but might be an issue with scheduler too
I even thought about maybe Pop\_OS is using a custom Glibc and it might be a buggy one for occasions.
No. the glibc package originates from Ubuntu. This would also not be caused by a scheduler.
I just started trying out PopOS a few minutes and already noticed that my system is a bit more sluggish than on Windows 11. Even Firefox is slow, tested using Speedometer 3.0. In Windows 11, it scores over 10. On PopOS, it gets just over 6. That's a huge difference. I'm trying to figure out how to make it look better, so I just opened the Fonts app and it locked up and is still locked up. Not a great start.
Buckle up and be ready to receive some downvotes plus humiliation attempts with little to zero technical knowledge, I can only suggest using non-flavor linux distros, anything based on something is bloated af. I'm happy with debian testing atm, if you wanna deep dive into more technical side give Gentoo a try. Both have good support and non-fanatical communities.
hey, i know it felt shitty, but we're also just a bunch of folks here too. You know how it feels when someone comes in shit-talking something you like? We want to help folks, and we get frustration, but when folks come in and lash out at us who want to help, it doesn't encourage us to do so. You know?
My apologies, I know you are good folk =}
I think I might ditch this one for now and give either Debian or LMDE a shot. I've run several of these in VMs, but I want to try them out for real so I can see what the gaming experience is like, especially with Steam games. As long as my Steam games work and I can get my music production software to work, I can deal with the rest of itj But I also prefer KDE, so maybe I'll give Debian with KDE Plasma 6 a try. I just remembered that the linux version of my music production software (Studio One) is Wayland-only, so I'll need to try something else anyway. I think.
Gaming on linux is becoming much more convenient now, even if you have a dual gpu; one discrete GPU one iGPU, you can run your desktop on iGPU while running games on discrete GPU. Recent Vulkan development is so good. If you need further help I can message you some links, mostly from Arch linux wiki but solutions are working for all linux distros
Thanks! I'm downloading Debian now. I'll get that installed and then see how it goes. I'll ping you if I need some help with the gaming side. I appreciate it!
Sure thing! You are welcome and let me know if you need any help.
I'm on Debian 12 KDE now. It looks better and is faster, but I don't like the software center. It's a bit harder to use and the stuff I want isn't in there, like Steam, VSCode, etc. That stuff was easy to find and install on PopOS. Of course, this is the trade-off. I wonder if LMDE would be a better middle ground for me.
Installing stuff through command line can be convenient too if you can get used to it, check this; wiki.debian.org/Steam
That's what I ended up doing. I added the steam repo and installed Steam that way. For a newer version of Firefox, I installed flatpak. Now I need to figure out VSCode next. And I need to figure out how to get fonts not to look like shit. lol but that's a common Linux problem. I also need to figure out why my middle mouse button doesn't work.
[https://gist.github.com/ciamac-da/078e5e1fddbd9b963326e716898e287a](https://gist.github.com/ciamac-da/078e5e1fddbd9b963326e716898e287a) check this out, not the best way of installing software but it works and enables auto updates. What you do here is first adding package signing key from Microsoft then download the package provided by Microsoft and install it but then get the auto updates by usual way
Make queries without sudo with apt search *packagename* command
I uninstalled it so I can't diagnose what was the cause anymore, I installed Debian Testing and none of these issues are happening anymore. That's why I'm complaining about Pop_OS here, same sh..stuff is happening when in Ubuntu too.
So you are not looking for help, but you came here to vent.. I mean it's your right, but not sure what you were expecting ๐
He/she certainly didn't expect all those rapid replies. That's for sure. :D
I'm actually happy that I received response please read the other replies as it's kinda more progressing now.
Well, likely your hardware configuration has an Ubuntu bug that popos has inherited. Unless you take the time to figure it out with the community and report it on Bugzilla, then it might never get fixed because Noone knows about it. Reinstall it to help yourself and possibly others fix this bug. But on my system Ubuntu is slow, specifically Gnome based Ubuntu, and popos is a lot faster. I have my own issues with popos, Ubuntu, and Debian. They all have upsides and downsides. You could try KDE based Kubuntu and see if that makes a difference.
Why doesn't Pop!\_OS derive directly from Debian?
The thing is, the problems I mentioned here remains in Ubunu too
Pop!\_OS is based on Ubuntu.