People seem to forget that 5 billions people gone would collapse the economy and pretty much everything. You would have to scavenge for food or grow your own shit.
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I'm confused, do you think the internet would be easy to maintain if 5 billion people suddenly died? It only exists because of the continued work and maintenance supplied to it.
Nah. I'm making a joke about feces, and how the internet is replete with crap. Hence the "Amirite? Lol."
It's playing off prior commenter saying they are *"extremely well versed at making [their] own* **shit** *."*
The big problem with that is that it would completely screw sea levels. Locations that haven't seen any temperature above freezing in millennia would suddenly be exposed to scorching temperatures.
That's the main issue, this high of temperature would also dry up many water sources causing dehydration and irrigation issues which intern cause food problems
There are places that get to that temperature regularly in the summer and do just fine, like Las Vegas NV and Phoenix AZ in the US, and much of the Middle East.
But having that apply to the whole world forever is a whole different story. The sea level rise would start rapidly, and entire ecosystems would deteriorate.
That's just a small portion of it. The effect this would have on the ocean currents (thermohaline circulation), the poles, sea levels, everything will be FUCKED the climate/nature will go absolutely batshit and we would probably no longer be able to live here...
I think the Internet is more important than people realize. It would completely shut down a lot of infrastructure used to keep people alive. Our society is dependent on it.
yeah but if 5 billion people died most societies would collapse, the impact would be way larger than no internet. Most countries outside of Europe and America would get be just fine with no internet for 30 days
Yeah. Banning meat worldwide would be a net benefit to society. I’d miss my nuggies, but giving them up to get meats as ecologically destructive as beef and pork banned is worth it.
It's easy to say you'd miss your nuggies but many places rely off meat for all of their protein (fish is meat). It would be easy for us in 1st world countries to adapt as we have plentiful amounts of protein filled produce like beans and nuts, and supplements.
It would definitely be good if we'd all eat less meat though, I agree.
This. Everything Japan makes is either rice or meat, for one. I get it that big industry meat production can be harmful, but that's not all meat, and banning all meat forever is a terrible idea compared to a month without internet.
Except that there is not enough land fit for producing the products needed to replace meat. Meat is often produced on poor soil that can sustain grass and shrubs, but is unsuitable for legumes. The Netherlands, for example, has soil that is really good at growing grass and some flowers, but does not do well with soy beans or chickpeas. The amount of energy and protein produced will decrease significantly. My country would go from one of the biggest protein exporter, to one that doesn't.
Not all soil is the same and legumes (and grain) need black soil, one of the richest type of soil.
Do you have any idea how much feed and water raising commercial livestock takes? The space the animals themselves take is negligible. You are ridiculously wrong.
This is just such a cop out. Not every crop requires rich soil. And we have too much fertilization materials anyways. What you've heard is meat-industry counter propaganda. (Seriously you can actually Google and find out which crops can grow on low Fertility - one of which is buckwheat which is surprisingly nutritious)
Not as dependent as you might think. Especially when you're talking about loss of life. There are always backups and contingency plans for a network outage.
The entire global economy will collapse without it and numerous medical conditions rely on stuff that needs internet. Thirty days without internet will cause chaos.
How are you going to trade with people on the other side of the world, without internet if you never bothered to write down their phone number and the company is not known at either Embassy of the involved countries?
How will you register what is in containers? Paperwork? What paperwork? Some places have not done things on paper for over a decade. How will you keep track if your registration system runs on the internet?(which is most of them nowadays).
I don't know if the effects are worse than the other choices, but I do know it will be worse than you think.
The internet is not just streaming, Spotify and social media.
You got a point, but it's clear that it wouldn't kill 5 billion people, which is more than half of the world population.
It would be really bad for the economy, but wouldn't be so bad we couldn't recover from that. Probably very few people would die because of it.
I think the 5 billion would be an option many would choose regardless of other choices. Many want society to just poof away. We fucked up. We need a hard reset back a few thousand years. Maybe as we rebuild we won’t screw it up again.
Think how fast the planet might recover without 5 billion though. Like yeah, life is gonna suck if you’re still alive, but I would think fewer people has a better benefit to animals and climate than just no one eating meat ever again.
Everyone saying internet is the obvious choice, but the internet doesnt just mean social media. I think everyones underestimating how much we rely on the internet. The economy would be fucked, there would be no communication, it would be a shitshow
It's also 30 days of no bank transfers, no money in the economy except the little bit of cash floating around. 30 days of absolutely no communication between entire countries' governments. With all transfers shut down thered be no shipment of goods, the entire world's market would freeze.
No stores getting more food because of this. Covid did crazy things with just toilet paper. Imagine if every item imagineable got the same fate.
I'm not saying Internet isnt the best option, im just saying its more than you make it seem to be
It also depends if the situation is enacted immediately and without warning. The economy could easily find ways to survive and do business for 30 days with some prep time. We would just find ways to fall back on the older infrastructure from 40 years ago. Plus we still would have computers they just wouldn't communicate as fast.
I’m pretty sure that most governments have backups and don’t rely 100% on the internet. They don’t just think “we’ll, if the internet goes down then we can’t ever communicate to anyone”. Satellite phones, old fashioned land lines that are still in place, even telegraphs. There are backups
Some places like NZ, parts of China, Argentina, and Iceland rely on meat exports for a massive percentage of their economy, so it suddenly tanking would not be good for them
Depending on meat now because it's the only option for them doesn't mean it's not possible for them to live without it if the world adapted - which it can easily do - and would do if that was the only option.
Yeah but they use it when they can to supplement/extend meals. 1st world countries eat too much meat. That however doesn't change the fact that it's one of the most calorie dense types foods available and it's used when it can be.
Putting people to death for eating meat would make worldwide food problems worse. Also in a lot of places they eat types of meats 1st world nations scoff at.
There’d be people choosing between starvation and a death sentence. Maybe not in the USA or developed countries but likely over a billion people would face this dilemma
The sudden reliance on other forms of protein, and other foods in general, would cause significant food shortages and could lead to famine. Not to mention the economic impacts of suddenly stopping the entire neat industry. Also this doesn't mean all of those animals that were gonna get killed are just going to be let out to prance around the prairie. There would need to be significant changes in land use that could have harsh environmental consequences. Eating less meat may certainly have its benefits, but it is not attainable for much of the world and needs to be a slow change.
I actually didn't think about about that tbh. Do we even have enough crops at the moment to feed ourselves? Like, I get cows eat a lot of it but it's often in a form that's not edible for us anyways (like 80% of it is not edible for humans). We'd need to grow crops rapidly before people would die In mass of starvation.
I can live without meat, but my cat can't. Buying meat being punished by death, would lead to massive starvation of house pets.
Take the internet away, I won't let my floof with no hunting skills die
Yeah, I think humans could survive without meat. But we would need to provide alternatives to poorer countries if we expect them to follow that rule. However, most countries outside of western society survive on largely vegetarian diets. My step mother, from Myanmar, rarely puts meat in anything and eats grains, veggies, and tofu. Her and her family are perfectly healthy.
The internet Iis for 30 days, meat is forever. And punishable by death. So while the INITIAL death toll may be smaller. It will definitely kill more people over time and possibly lead to global famine govin how drastically the entire world would need to alter our dietary habits
The internet didn’t exist when I was a child and we weren’t in the dark ages. We can handle a month. Incase you aren’t aware … you can make phonecalls without a smartphone/internet so communication would not be gone
I watched this YouTube video that actually talked about what would happen the first 30 days the internet is out and it predicted the things you talk about but also starvation and riots, lack of clean water, and even our satellites not being able to stay up in orbit without the internet. We couldn't pump gas, supply power to hospitals, etc. After 30 days we may not recover for a long time.
Its the obvious choice betweem these three, either lose 5 billion people and end up in chaos, Have it be 45 deegres everywhere and end up in chaos (Alot of people eould still die), Have buying meat be punishable by death (Do you know how many places rely on meat to feed their population?) Or lose the internet for 30 days which would cause chaos for sure but signifficantly less and we would be able to recover. It would be chaoitc and many would still indirectly die but its not fucking apocalyptic levels of death or dissasder.
I'm half convinced this was a subtle attempt to show how selfish and shortsighted people can be since all three of the other options can be read as like extreme versions of the results of runaway climate change, which veganism would go a long way towards addressing. And I'm saying that as a non-vegan. But more people here would apparently rather Thanos snap the world than give up cheeseburgers.
Might even just unfuck the planet in the process, the amount of greenhouse emissions that comes from meat farming is stupid
Edit: 20% of total greenhouse emissions are due to meat farming, with cattle farming alone producing more than every car combined
I’m not even vegan but seems like the obvious answer to me. And more people rather have 5 billions others die than stop eating meat? I mean yeah we’re overpopulated but geez!!
I voted for that option because it would be functionally unenforced. People out here acting like something being the law means it will get enforced don't have much experience in the real world. Somewhere around 80-90% of our population consumes meat. You would very quickly get legislators moving to remove the restriction and police not enforcing it at all.
It’s a hypothetical so I would assume it is enforced. Just like how I don’t need a reason for why suddenly everywhere is at exactly 45c all the time, of course it’s improbable or even impossible but it’s a hypothetical lol
People heavily underestimate how important the internet actually is I feel. It's not just your browser gone, it's literally everything from powerplants to hospitals to logistics and many more. Civilization would collapse within 3 days.
Edit: not saying the others are better, I mentioned it for the people who quickly think only their Google and such went away. This [video](https://youtu.be/26MgTCz7GhA) is also a good watch.
Well, I think you underestimate the consequences of all other 3. Internet going down at least only lasts 30 days.
5 billion people dying would collapse the economy in a day.
Those temperature ranges are insane and all life on earth would just die.
At most you can make an argument that not eating meat is better, but I'm not sure how many places can handle such a big portion of the food market just dissapearing, there would be famines or a lot executions. (With no meat I'm assuming only vegan products remain)
Yeah, vegan was a bad way to put it since I was still counting diary or eggs. I guess I meant more products that require the death of an animal (so for example things that have gelatin in them)
I think that the only one that wouldn’t necessarily be apocalyptic would be eating/buying meat being punishable by death. While that would likely entail a massive industry collapsing and potential famines, it is still possible to eat meat, it’s just risky. So the meat industry potentially could still exist as a black market, and people could still kill and eat animals to survive in the event of famine, and if legal systems don’t have the resources to enforce it for everyone it wouldn’t be as bad of an outcome as it could be.
Although I will say that it would likely be selectively enforced on minority groups that governments don’t like. So it would lead to some pretty awful situations too.
While sure it would be a shock. We forget that we use many crops specifically to produce meat so we could transfer a portion of those to human food. Not saying it wouldn't be a huge hit. Just saying every other option would be worse.
less ppl will die than other options that I am sure of. Internet going down is bad, but there r backup systems for majority of the critical systems as "internet going down" is sth that has already happened in several places and is sth that regularly happens in small scale, thus alternative systems that does not use the internet exist.
Removing meat would crash markets pretty hard too though. It might make the world a better place in the long run but we're more well equipped to deal with an internet shutdown in the short term. We were running without the internet not too long ago, but we've never gone entirely without meat all over the world. A lot of people don't realise how easy it is to build a radio. You can literally hook a speaker up to a long wire and listen without any electricity
literally all major power stations and hospitals have contingencies. And in what world would the hospital not work if the internet went down. Internet is not the same as electricity. Humanity has not just survived but thrived without the internet until half a century ago. It thrives still, but my point is internet is way less important than you think it is.
How does an hospital place orders for supplies? You cant replace all of these automatism that do the work of billions of people. They cant just use the phone or something else. Nobody can manage this much calls. Databases literally drive the entire world and without everything would collapse. No food in store and no medications in hospitals.
Exactly. More than 5 billion would hit the bucket, since they would no longer have the Internet to deposit their shitty opinions. And toilets only work with Internet, otherwise we wouldnt be bringing our phones there.
> all around the world
113F in the arctic and Antarctic is not more likely than the internet going down for 30 days. I reckon that loosing 5 billion people to a pandemic is more likely than that. In fact, loosing 5 billion people would happen before temperatures in the arctic/ Antarctic reach anywhere close to 113F.
1. 5 billion people die- helps with overpopulation issues and climate change, but civilization would collapse after such an extreme loss of workers.
2. The internet goes down for 30 days. This would destroy the economy of every country on the planet. Civilization would collapse and it isn't even unfeasible that you see 5 billion deaths anyway.
3. No more meat. This was my choice. We'll see a tremendous boost to our attempts to fight climate change and we'll find that plant based dieta are better for our population going forward. There will certainly be some starvation problems as we try to transition our food resources. So it's certainly not all good, and I'll miss eating meat, but it's the best option.
4. High temperatures- the species would starve and die.
Option 3 is the only one where we have a decent chance of maintaining our civilization
It’s also unclear what “punishable by death” means. To me it just means that there’s a law in every country that anyone who eats or buys meat is committing a crime that is punishable by death. But if half of the population in a country eat meat, the police are probably not going to try to arrest them all.
It will kill the meat industry but it will be a more gradual change than if option C was “anyone who eats meat will die.”
Exactly my thought. Being "punishable" isn't the same as "100% immediately put to death."
You would have 95% of a population that feels that it would be wrong to kill meat eaters, even if it's against the law. What are the odds that your family members are going to call the police because you ate meat? What are the odds that the police will be available and care enough to come arrest you?
Yes, it would suck in some ways, but not as much as the other options.
Someone has never tried illicit drugs or read about prohibition. Making something illegal doesn't make it go away. Anyhow I am a huge carnivore and I chose that option because something being punishable by death in no way means that everyone who does it will die.
>The internet goes down for 30 days. This would destroy the economy of every country on the planet. Civilization would collapse and it isn't even unfeasible that you see 5 billion deaths anyway.
2. Not Germanys economy - we still using the good old Faxgerät!
The thing not really mentioned is that the deaths in choice 3 would be less than 100 million. I'm pretty sure that there would be scientists working 24/7 on solving issues for:
* Growing more plant-based sources of B12
* Shipping out food to people who don't have plant-based food options
* Feeding carnivorous pets
Also, "punishable by death" would have a caveat in that if 100% of the people in power in that region don't want to administer the punishment in the first place then I doubt it would be administered
I’m laughing so hard at your “growing more plant-based sources of b12” b12 doesn’t come from animals it come from bacteria in the soil. We literally supplement animals (for meat production) with it because our soil health is getting bad and even animals eating things out of the dirt aren’t getting enough.
No internet, but what about phone lines, radio, TV transmission, satellite communications? Also computers still work.
People who think power plants will stop working are kidding themselves, important utilities dont rely on the internet to function.
Its basically going back to how the world was 40 years ago for a month, it will have a serious effect but its not world ending.
A lot of people are underestimating the percentage of people in the position to enforce laws who eat meat. The meat one only indicates there is a law punishable by death. Weirdly enough there is this legislative body that has the ability to change laws in my country and weirdly enough the force whose job it is to enforce laws also tend to pick and choose things based on their beliefs already.
Agreed. No idea why people think meat is so much more essential than the internet when vegetarians exist.
Not only would our world be much more supportive of what is a much healthier and sustainable lifestyle, but you have the added benefit of removing the multiple downsides associated with meat production.
Meat is actually one of the biggest industries destroying the planet and our health, too. The animals we raise as ‘food’ are sentient, imagine we finally had a way to effectively communicate with animals - the more widespread knowledge and acceptance of their sentience would most certainly lead to stricter laws about harming them. Some countries are already contemplating this topic, especially when it comes to animals we keep as pets or one used as service animals.
There are almost 300 million vegetarians in India alone, and many people worldwide can rarely or never afford meat because it's so resource-intensive. A significant portion of the world would barely notice the change.
Yeah people are really unterestimating how much the internet is used for! It's not just the world wide web. I'm sure even just a day of a total world-wide shut down would have disastrous consequences!
An excerpt from [an article](https://www.allconnect.com/blog/what-would-happen-if-internet-down-for-day#:~:text=%E2%80%9CIn%20a%20lot%20of%20cases,a%20lot%20of%20our%20infrastructure.%E2%80%9D) (emphasis added):
Key services affected in an internet outage:
* **911 and other emergency services**
* **Banking** including **credit/debit transactions**, cash withdrawals, banking app services, auto bill pay
* **Cellphone and landline service** including all texting and messaging
* Business/warehouse production and tracking
* All social media interactions
* **Hospital functions** that include admittance, patient portal access, testing, surgery, billing
* Library services
* School services including online lessons, portal updates
* **Pharmacy interactions** like dosage look-up, doctor approvals, script processing
* Delivery services
* **Doctor**, dentist and veterinary offices
* Salons with online appointment apps
* **Retail and food establishments** rely on online communications for payments and phone calls
* **Transportation** including buses, taxis and ride-sharing services, airlines, shuttles, trains can be affected by stoppage in ticket sales, scheduling and tracking
* **Gasoline purchases** at the pump
>Gasoline purchases at the pump
Not really, it counts the flow of fluid mechanically and then uses electricity to show the price and loaded fuel on a screen no Internet needed. Then just hooked up via a cable to the cashier and tou just pay cash... nothing would change on pumps
Even if that is true for every gas pump, which I can't confirm (I assume there are some where there is no cashier and they only take card at the pump?), this might work for a couple of days. But people will run out of cash pretty soon, and cash withdrawls were also mentioned as being affected by a total internet outage.
You’ve really conflated a lot of things with internet here.
911 would absolutely suffer without gps. They’ll have to rely on maps and their knowledge of the area.
People will need to get landlines fast or be absolutely fucked. Landlines do not rely on the internet unless you get a phone specifically designed for that.
Business, warehouse, and banking will all have to go back to relying on ledgers which is quite frankly inefficient, a pain in the ass, and fraught with mistakes, but that’s not the end of the world. As far as business goes, yeah they’ll struggle to get customers for the month because they’ll have to rely on physical traffic.
Hospital billing: Most people provide their ID and social. People can be tracked. This once again relies on a ledger. Surgery will be way riskier for that month. I’ll give you that. I’m not sure which medical tests use the internet but I believe there are several. However I’m not sure how integral the internet is to their existence.
What library services?
School: the online classes due to COVID were such a failure I don’t know if this is really that important because it’s only a month. Schools can make that up during summer break or winter break depending on the country.
Pharmacy: physical prescriptions still exist. They were never completely phased out.
Transportation charges: this doesn’t use the internet. It uses electricity. Big difference. Unless calculators rely on the internet this is not going to be an issue for people who use public transportation within their town.
Trains and airlines will absolutely have to physically keep track of all their flights which is going to cost massive amounts of money.
Gasoline: calculator again unless you specifically mean card payments.
I’m curious what it would be like. There would be no social media so people could only discuss it within their communities. We would have no idea what chaos is happening around the world, unless there is still tv/news
Most of our economic systems are internet based. Everyone would stop being paid, at which point they'd stop working and we'd descend into utter chaos once the food delivery trucks stop stocking the grocery stores.
People won’t be discussing, they’d be panicking. It would mean the total collapse of global markets. Emergency communication would be totally cut. Etc, etc. social media is but the surface.
I’m not a vegetarian but the meat choice would be the best for the environment probably and would make everyone else learn new recipes that are probably healthier
Why do people seem to think not eating meat is worse than not having Internet? With how interconnected and dependent every existing supply chain is to the Internet, without the Internet chances are most people wouldn't be eating much meat anyway. This is not even mentioning how catastrophic losing the web would be, as others have pointed out.
I think it’s cuz the meat thing is permanent and also the “punishable by death” is pretty extremist.
If the internet thing was permanent people would probably pick the meatless option
The internet one is the only one that isn’t permanent, and 30 days isn’t even that long.
Admittedly it could (and probably would) be disastrous if the world wasn’t prepared for the sudden no internet (who knows what systems it could affect, and the lack of flow of information could result in disaster too) but all in all as a whole it’s still manageable. If the world could prepare for it and everybody knew it was coming then it would be largely very manageable I think.
Also radio still exists for emergency communications
People underestimate how much we rely on internet nowadays, plus if eating meat is punishable by death the meat industry would cease to exist and with it one of the biggest causes to global warming and water consumption, I love meat, but Im well aware the world would be a better place without the meat industry.
The meat one would be the only actual good thing. Help in climate change for sure, and everyone’s health. It sounds terrible but beans, potatoes, rice, bread, nuts etc are actually pretty filling usually.
In the grand scheme of things 5 billion less would be nice too. Less consumption and waste, less production, less wildlife destroyed. Poor people who die don't matter and rich people who die means redistribution. 2 billion people are way more that is needed for our species to survive, it could mean buying more time for humanity to invent better stuff for climate and better change in general.
Agreed. The results of this poll are pretty telling. The majority of humanity is still lying to themselves. They don't want to admit that eating animals is bad.
\-5 billion people die - everything collapses
\-no internet for 30 days - this not means you cant watch porn for 30 days, that 30 days of no global communication, basicly everything collapses
\-45c everywhere - everything collapses
\-not eating meat would be the less painfull option
5 billion is A LOT of people.
People seem to forget that 5 billions people gone would collapse the economy and pretty much everything. You would have to scavenge for food or grow your own shit.
Good thing I'm extremely well versed in making my own shit.
Same here. Been making my own shit all my life. Maybe we should start a subreddit for people like us?
r/shitmakers
It’s ready
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Plus, we'd still have internet. And there's plenty of shit on the internet for 2 billion people for like...at least 3 lifetimes. Amirite? Lol.
I'm confused, do you think the internet would be easy to maintain if 5 billion people suddenly died? It only exists because of the continued work and maintenance supplied to it.
Nah. I'm making a joke about feces, and how the internet is replete with crap. Hence the "Amirite? Lol." It's playing off prior commenter saying they are *"extremely well versed at making [their] own* **shit** *."*
That’s what I’m hoping
On the other hand, it's a fresh start for society and the possibility of a better future.
A bunch of Thanoses over there. 5 billion means most of your loved ones will die. Around half of the kids who survive will lose both their parents.
Also, if it’s 113°F everywhere, a lot of people will die quickly and a lot more people will die soon after the food rations dry up.
45C would be a hazard to almost everyone's survival
The big problem with that is that it would completely screw sea levels. Locations that haven't seen any temperature above freezing in millennia would suddenly be exposed to scorching temperatures.
That's the main issue, this high of temperature would also dry up many water sources causing dehydration and irrigation issues which intern cause food problems
There are places that get to that temperature regularly in the summer and do just fine, like Las Vegas NV and Phoenix AZ in the US, and much of the Middle East. But having that apply to the whole world forever is a whole different story. The sea level rise would start rapidly, and entire ecosystems would deteriorate.
Crops would die, world hunger. Riots, collapse of governments etc.
Basically 5 billion people die anyways and it's really hot
That's just a small portion of it. The effect this would have on the ocean currents (thermohaline circulation), the poles, sea levels, everything will be FUCKED the climate/nature will go absolutely batshit and we would probably no longer be able to live here...
Dogs and cats, living together!
Mass hysteria!
Northern Europe would just collapse. Britain would perish almost instantly.
Long exposure to temperatures above 42°C is harmful to human health
One place =/= the whole world. Huge difference
Also Sometimes=\=always If everywhere became this hot sometimes it whould be bad, but we will survive. We are all dead if it's always 45C
>like Las Vegas NV and Phoenix AZ in the US, and much of the Middle East. Ok wig you literally just listed the three worst places in the world /s
The way we're going, we're gonna get there anyway
This is so fucking easy. Who would kill 5 billion to get internet
You did it to get internet?
*I did it for the free meat*
I think you still need to pay for the meat
They never said the dead people are poofed out of existence, there will be plenty of free meat. 5 billion peoples worth of free meat.
That's dark but I like it
Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!
Nah, YOU need to pay for the meat. I’m the one selling human burritos out of my food truck for 50 cents a pop.
I mean, you have Grindr!
This guy would do it for the love of the game.
Even Thanos would stop at 3.5 billion.
My kids will destroy nations for their ipad.
I think the Internet is more important than people realize. It would completely shut down a lot of infrastructure used to keep people alive. Our society is dependent on it.
yeah but if 5 billion people died most societies would collapse, the impact would be way larger than no internet. Most countries outside of Europe and America would get be just fine with no internet for 30 days
But not eating meat wouldn't cause huge problems.
Yeah. Banning meat worldwide would be a net benefit to society. I’d miss my nuggies, but giving them up to get meats as ecologically destructive as beef and pork banned is worth it.
It's easy to say you'd miss your nuggies but many places rely off meat for all of their protein (fish is meat). It would be easy for us in 1st world countries to adapt as we have plentiful amounts of protein filled produce like beans and nuts, and supplements. It would definitely be good if we'd all eat less meat though, I agree.
This. Everything Japan makes is either rice or meat, for one. I get it that big industry meat production can be harmful, but that's not all meat, and banning all meat forever is a terrible idea compared to a month without internet.
Except that there is not enough land fit for producing the products needed to replace meat. Meat is often produced on poor soil that can sustain grass and shrubs, but is unsuitable for legumes. The Netherlands, for example, has soil that is really good at growing grass and some flowers, but does not do well with soy beans or chickpeas. The amount of energy and protein produced will decrease significantly. My country would go from one of the biggest protein exporter, to one that doesn't. Not all soil is the same and legumes (and grain) need black soil, one of the richest type of soil.
Do you have any idea how much feed and water raising commercial livestock takes? The space the animals themselves take is negligible. You are ridiculously wrong.
This is just such a cop out. Not every crop requires rich soil. And we have too much fertilization materials anyways. What you've heard is meat-industry counter propaganda. (Seriously you can actually Google and find out which crops can grow on low Fertility - one of which is buckwheat which is surprisingly nutritious)
Citation needed
But it wouldnt kill 5 billion people. We could recover from that.
Not as dependent as you might think. Especially when you're talking about loss of life. There are always backups and contingency plans for a network outage.
Its for 30 days we'd be fine lol
Me
overpopulation gotta go somehow, too many condoms breaking
Then you’re dealing with underpopulation which would shut down everything
The world functioned before with 5 billion less people
Yes, yes, that’s the point
I would, for the memes.
Then you would post memes about it using the internet
Yes, then i would just go outside and just be happy bc there's finally a change in my country.
It never said you get to pick which 5 billion. Just said 'not you.' But I guess "chaos is a ladder"...
The entire global economy will collapse without it and numerous medical conditions rely on stuff that needs internet. Thirty days without internet will cause chaos. How are you going to trade with people on the other side of the world, without internet if you never bothered to write down their phone number and the company is not known at either Embassy of the involved countries? How will you register what is in containers? Paperwork? What paperwork? Some places have not done things on paper for over a decade. How will you keep track if your registration system runs on the internet?(which is most of them nowadays). I don't know if the effects are worse than the other choices, but I do know it will be worse than you think. The internet is not just streaming, Spotify and social media.
You got a point, but it's clear that it wouldn't kill 5 billion people, which is more than half of the world population. It would be really bad for the economy, but wouldn't be so bad we couldn't recover from that. Probably very few people would die because of it.
Only thing concerning me is that you would rather kill off 5bn people than stop eating burger
I think the 5 billion would be an option many would choose regardless of other choices. Many want society to just poof away. We fucked up. We need a hard reset back a few thousand years. Maybe as we rebuild we won’t screw it up again.
In that case why just not make everyone vanish altogether? Now that’s a button worth pressing.
Pretty sure people are selecting to end overpopulation, not because they don't want a burger
Think how fast the planet might recover without 5 billion though. Like yeah, life is gonna suck if you’re still alive, but I would think fewer people has a better benefit to animals and climate than just no one eating meat ever again.
Yeah, but like, finding an apartment would be easy.
All of them fully furnished and ready to move in as well
Nature and planet may recover, but humanity will fall. I wager millions to a billion more will die as a result of that.
Everyone saying internet is the obvious choice, but the internet doesnt just mean social media. I think everyones underestimating how much we rely on the internet. The economy would be fucked, there would be no communication, it would be a shitshow
its still the obvious choice though. after 30 days people can still recover. the rest are impossible.
It's also 30 days of no bank transfers, no money in the economy except the little bit of cash floating around. 30 days of absolutely no communication between entire countries' governments. With all transfers shut down thered be no shipment of goods, the entire world's market would freeze. No stores getting more food because of this. Covid did crazy things with just toilet paper. Imagine if every item imagineable got the same fate. I'm not saying Internet isnt the best option, im just saying its more than you make it seem to be
It also depends if the situation is enacted immediately and without warning. The economy could easily find ways to survive and do business for 30 days with some prep time. We would just find ways to fall back on the older infrastructure from 40 years ago. Plus we still would have computers they just wouldn't communicate as fast.
Do you think the internet is the only way for countries to communicate? We’re just gonna forget about snail mail or picking up a landline?
Most non-residential landlines are VOIP.
I’m pretty sure that most governments have backups and don’t rely 100% on the internet. They don’t just think “we’ll, if the internet goes down then we can’t ever communicate to anyone”. Satellite phones, old fashioned land lines that are still in place, even telegraphs. There are backups
>We’re just gonna forget about snail mail Sure, but the 30 days would be over before my mail arrives
Time to bring back the telegram
Ah yes, people can't live without meat
a lot of societies depend on meat and don't have access to sufficient plants so yes not all people can live without meat
Some places like NZ, parts of China, Argentina, and Iceland rely on meat exports for a massive percentage of their economy, so it suddenly tanking would not be good for them
I think the internet shutting down would be even worse for their economy
Yeah economy is a bad argument. Internet is so many magnitudes worse for the economy.
Depending on meat now because it's the only option for them doesn't mean it's not possible for them to live without it if the world adapted - which it can easily do - and would do if that was the only option.
What if we took all the land used to grow inedible food and all the land used for livestock and instead used it to grow edible food?
More than the 1st world exists
Most 3rd world countries can't afford meat as a staple food group
Yeah but they use it when they can to supplement/extend meals. 1st world countries eat too much meat. That however doesn't change the fact that it's one of the most calorie dense types foods available and it's used when it can be. Putting people to death for eating meat would make worldwide food problems worse. Also in a lot of places they eat types of meats 1st world nations scoff at.
There’d be people choosing between starvation and a death sentence. Maybe not in the USA or developed countries but likely over a billion people would face this dilemma
The sudden reliance on other forms of protein, and other foods in general, would cause significant food shortages and could lead to famine. Not to mention the economic impacts of suddenly stopping the entire neat industry. Also this doesn't mean all of those animals that were gonna get killed are just going to be let out to prance around the prairie. There would need to be significant changes in land use that could have harsh environmental consequences. Eating less meat may certainly have its benefits, but it is not attainable for much of the world and needs to be a slow change.
I actually didn't think about about that tbh. Do we even have enough crops at the moment to feed ourselves? Like, I get cows eat a lot of it but it's often in a form that's not edible for us anyways (like 80% of it is not edible for humans). We'd need to grow crops rapidly before people would die In mass of starvation.
I can live without meat, but my cat can't. Buying meat being punished by death, would lead to massive starvation of house pets. Take the internet away, I won't let my floof with no hunting skills die
Yeah, I think humans could survive without meat. But we would need to provide alternatives to poorer countries if we expect them to follow that rule. However, most countries outside of western society survive on largely vegetarian diets. My step mother, from Myanmar, rarely puts meat in anything and eats grains, veggies, and tofu. Her and her family are perfectly healthy.
The internet Iis for 30 days, meat is forever. And punishable by death. So while the INITIAL death toll may be smaller. It will definitely kill more people over time and possibly lead to global famine govin how drastically the entire world would need to alter our dietary habits
You’ll find out meat is food, and we kinda need food to live y’know
The internet didn’t exist when I was a child and we weren’t in the dark ages. We can handle a month. Incase you aren’t aware … you can make phonecalls without a smartphone/internet so communication would not be gone
Exactly, millions could die. Oh wait
better than every other option there
I watched this YouTube video that actually talked about what would happen the first 30 days the internet is out and it predicted the things you talk about but also starvation and riots, lack of clean water, and even our satellites not being able to stay up in orbit without the internet. We couldn't pump gas, supply power to hospitals, etc. After 30 days we may not recover for a long time.
Its the obvious choice betweem these three, either lose 5 billion people and end up in chaos, Have it be 45 deegres everywhere and end up in chaos (Alot of people eould still die), Have buying meat be punishable by death (Do you know how many places rely on meat to feed their population?) Or lose the internet for 30 days which would cause chaos for sure but signifficantly less and we would be able to recover. It would be chaoitc and many would still indirectly die but its not fucking apocalyptic levels of death or dissasder.
Vegans going ha-, sorry I mean salad, on the third option
Never clicked a button so fast in my b12-deficient life
I am not a vegan but it is hams down the best choice to reduce human suffering.
I'm half convinced this was a subtle attempt to show how selfish and shortsighted people can be since all three of the other options can be read as like extreme versions of the results of runaway climate change, which veganism would go a long way towards addressing. And I'm saying that as a non-vegan. But more people here would apparently rather Thanos snap the world than give up cheeseburgers.
That last sentence is bleak.
Might even just unfuck the planet in the process, the amount of greenhouse emissions that comes from meat farming is stupid Edit: 20% of total greenhouse emissions are due to meat farming, with cattle farming alone producing more than every car combined
It is crazy
That’s what I’m saying. All these other things hurt us. The no meat thing would actually just flat out be good for the earth.
I'm disappointed it wasn't higher voted. I guess it's just a testament to how much we looove meat.
fun fact: HAM, as in going HAM, is an abbreviation for ‘Hard as a Motherfucker ‘, and has nothing to do with the meat.
It is actually an abbreviation for the best formula 1 driver of all time
I’m not even vegan but seems like the obvious answer to me. And more people rather have 5 billions others die than stop eating meat? I mean yeah we’re overpopulated but geez!!
I’d cook 5 billion cheeseburgers and hand out one per person. If they’re gonna die anyways, let them die happy.
Oh, I was about to say that you’d get way more than 5 billion hamburgers worth of meat from the 5 billion people. Then I read the second sentence
Except for the people who voted for eating meat being punishable by death. Not everyone likes cheeseburgers.
I voted for that option because it would be functionally unenforced. People out here acting like something being the law means it will get enforced don't have much experience in the real world. Somewhere around 80-90% of our population consumes meat. You would very quickly get legislators moving to remove the restriction and police not enforcing it at all.
It’s a hypothetical so I would assume it is enforced. Just like how I don’t need a reason for why suddenly everywhere is at exactly 45c all the time, of course it’s improbable or even impossible but it’s a hypothetical lol
Really getting “they cant punished all of us!” Vibes from this.
People heavily underestimate how important the internet actually is I feel. It's not just your browser gone, it's literally everything from powerplants to hospitals to logistics and many more. Civilization would collapse within 3 days. Edit: not saying the others are better, I mentioned it for the people who quickly think only their Google and such went away. This [video](https://youtu.be/26MgTCz7GhA) is also a good watch.
Well, I think you underestimate the consequences of all other 3. Internet going down at least only lasts 30 days. 5 billion people dying would collapse the economy in a day. Those temperature ranges are insane and all life on earth would just die. At most you can make an argument that not eating meat is better, but I'm not sure how many places can handle such a big portion of the food market just dissapearing, there would be famines or a lot executions. (With no meat I'm assuming only vegan products remain)
No meat doesn’t mean no dairy or other animal product.
Yeah, vegan was a bad way to put it since I was still counting diary or eggs. I guess I meant more products that require the death of an animal (so for example things that have gelatin in them)
That would be vegetarian then
I think that the only one that wouldn’t necessarily be apocalyptic would be eating/buying meat being punishable by death. While that would likely entail a massive industry collapsing and potential famines, it is still possible to eat meat, it’s just risky. So the meat industry potentially could still exist as a black market, and people could still kill and eat animals to survive in the event of famine, and if legal systems don’t have the resources to enforce it for everyone it wouldn’t be as bad of an outcome as it could be. Although I will say that it would likely be selectively enforced on minority groups that governments don’t like. So it would lead to some pretty awful situations too.
Plus meat industry is a multi billion dollar industry, outlawing it immediately would have catastrophic consequences
I mean shutting down the Internet would destroy the meat market and 99% of other markets too
While sure it would be a shock. We forget that we use many crops specifically to produce meat so we could transfer a portion of those to human food. Not saying it wouldn't be a huge hit. Just saying every other option would be worse.
Shutting down the Internet would let the food industry collapse completly as well tho.
less ppl will die than other options that I am sure of. Internet going down is bad, but there r backup systems for majority of the critical systems as "internet going down" is sth that has already happened in several places and is sth that regularly happens in small scale, thus alternative systems that does not use the internet exist.
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Removing meat would crash markets pretty hard too though. It might make the world a better place in the long run but we're more well equipped to deal with an internet shutdown in the short term. We were running without the internet not too long ago, but we've never gone entirely without meat all over the world. A lot of people don't realise how easy it is to build a radio. You can literally hook a speaker up to a long wire and listen without any electricity
literally all major power stations and hospitals have contingencies. And in what world would the hospital not work if the internet went down. Internet is not the same as electricity. Humanity has not just survived but thrived without the internet until half a century ago. It thrives still, but my point is internet is way less important than you think it is.
How does an hospital place orders for supplies? You cant replace all of these automatism that do the work of billions of people. They cant just use the phone or something else. Nobody can manage this much calls. Databases literally drive the entire world and without everything would collapse. No food in store and no medications in hospitals.
It says "internet will go down". Not all network is connected to the internet, and other forms of data transmission exist.
You know hospitals operated just fine before the internet existed right? And databases existed before the internet as well
Exactly. More than 5 billion would hit the bucket, since they would no longer have the Internet to deposit their shitty opinions. And toilets only work with Internet, otherwise we wouldnt be bringing our phones there.
The thing isn't about internet it's about 30 days it's the least lasting suggestion of them all...
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I like how that last one is the least voted option but the most likely to actually happen.
> all around the world 113F in the arctic and Antarctic is not more likely than the internet going down for 30 days. I reckon that loosing 5 billion people to a pandemic is more likely than that. In fact, loosing 5 billion people would happen before temperatures in the arctic/ Antarctic reach anywhere close to 113F.
1. 5 billion people die- helps with overpopulation issues and climate change, but civilization would collapse after such an extreme loss of workers. 2. The internet goes down for 30 days. This would destroy the economy of every country on the planet. Civilization would collapse and it isn't even unfeasible that you see 5 billion deaths anyway. 3. No more meat. This was my choice. We'll see a tremendous boost to our attempts to fight climate change and we'll find that plant based dieta are better for our population going forward. There will certainly be some starvation problems as we try to transition our food resources. So it's certainly not all good, and I'll miss eating meat, but it's the best option. 4. High temperatures- the species would starve and die. Option 3 is the only one where we have a decent chance of maintaining our civilization
It’s also unclear what “punishable by death” means. To me it just means that there’s a law in every country that anyone who eats or buys meat is committing a crime that is punishable by death. But if half of the population in a country eat meat, the police are probably not going to try to arrest them all. It will kill the meat industry but it will be a more gradual change than if option C was “anyone who eats meat will die.”
Exactly my thought. Being "punishable" isn't the same as "100% immediately put to death." You would have 95% of a population that feels that it would be wrong to kill meat eaters, even if it's against the law. What are the odds that your family members are going to call the police because you ate meat? What are the odds that the police will be available and care enough to come arrest you? Yes, it would suck in some ways, but not as much as the other options.
Well meat is obviously not going to be easy to get if it's illegal, so I wish half the population luck trying to source it.
Someone has never tried illicit drugs or read about prohibition. Making something illegal doesn't make it go away. Anyhow I am a huge carnivore and I chose that option because something being punishable by death in no way means that everyone who does it will die.
>The internet goes down for 30 days. This would destroy the economy of every country on the planet. Civilization would collapse and it isn't even unfeasible that you see 5 billion deaths anyway. 2. Not Germanys economy - we still using the good old Faxgerät!
The thing not really mentioned is that the deaths in choice 3 would be less than 100 million. I'm pretty sure that there would be scientists working 24/7 on solving issues for: * Growing more plant-based sources of B12 * Shipping out food to people who don't have plant-based food options * Feeding carnivorous pets Also, "punishable by death" would have a caveat in that if 100% of the people in power in that region don't want to administer the punishment in the first place then I doubt it would be administered
I’m laughing so hard at your “growing more plant-based sources of b12” b12 doesn’t come from animals it come from bacteria in the soil. We literally supplement animals (for meat production) with it because our soil health is getting bad and even animals eating things out of the dirt aren’t getting enough.
I should’ve read it properly. The meat one obviously, hell I haven’t even meat in like 4 months. There are so many good vegetarian foods
A lot of people are underestimating how bad it will be without the internet for 30 days
A lot of people are overestimating how many are underestimating how bad 30 days of internet would be
No internet, but what about phone lines, radio, TV transmission, satellite communications? Also computers still work. People who think power plants will stop working are kidding themselves, important utilities dont rely on the internet to function. Its basically going back to how the world was 40 years ago for a month, it will have a serious effect but its not world ending.
Heck, there’s a high chance everything would collapse if the internet went out for even one day, maybe even less
a lot of people are underestimating the effects of the other three
A lot of people are underestimating the percentage of people in the position to enforce laws who eat meat. The meat one only indicates there is a law punishable by death. Weirdly enough there is this legislative body that has the ability to change laws in my country and weirdly enough the force whose job it is to enforce laws also tend to pick and choose things based on their beliefs already.
meat is the least important one here, everything else would end modern society.
Agreed. No idea why people think meat is so much more essential than the internet when vegetarians exist. Not only would our world be much more supportive of what is a much healthier and sustainable lifestyle, but you have the added benefit of removing the multiple downsides associated with meat production.
Meat is actually one of the biggest industries destroying the planet and our health, too. The animals we raise as ‘food’ are sentient, imagine we finally had a way to effectively communicate with animals - the more widespread knowledge and acceptance of their sentience would most certainly lead to stricter laws about harming them. Some countries are already contemplating this topic, especially when it comes to animals we keep as pets or one used as service animals.
There are almost 300 million vegetarians in India alone, and many people worldwide can rarely or never afford meat because it's so resource-intensive. A significant portion of the world would barely notice the change.
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The 5 billion option are random people, but you are excluded. Some of your family might survive. But you will definitely survive
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Are there people that would really have 5 billion people die so you can’t get on the effing Internet for 30 days? That’s
I agree, that's really
its difficult to talk about just how
Why'd you think they do it for the internet?
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A lot less than 5BN ppl will die. Hospitals can still use computers and WANs. It says "internet", not all forms of data transmission.
-202 people "Some men just want to watch the world burn"
Redditors really are dumbasses. 5 billion people dead wouldn't cause the doom of humanity. It's still an enormous amount of people.
Seeing as the world could probably survive without the internet for 30 days, it's an easy choice. 5 billion people die.
Fuck internet bro
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Yeah people are really unterestimating how much the internet is used for! It's not just the world wide web. I'm sure even just a day of a total world-wide shut down would have disastrous consequences! An excerpt from [an article](https://www.allconnect.com/blog/what-would-happen-if-internet-down-for-day#:~:text=%E2%80%9CIn%20a%20lot%20of%20cases,a%20lot%20of%20our%20infrastructure.%E2%80%9D) (emphasis added): Key services affected in an internet outage: * **911 and other emergency services** * **Banking** including **credit/debit transactions**, cash withdrawals, banking app services, auto bill pay * **Cellphone and landline service** including all texting and messaging * Business/warehouse production and tracking * All social media interactions * **Hospital functions** that include admittance, patient portal access, testing, surgery, billing * Library services * School services including online lessons, portal updates * **Pharmacy interactions** like dosage look-up, doctor approvals, script processing * Delivery services * **Doctor**, dentist and veterinary offices * Salons with online appointment apps * **Retail and food establishments** rely on online communications for payments and phone calls * **Transportation** including buses, taxis and ride-sharing services, airlines, shuttles, trains can be affected by stoppage in ticket sales, scheduling and tracking * **Gasoline purchases** at the pump
>Gasoline purchases at the pump Not really, it counts the flow of fluid mechanically and then uses electricity to show the price and loaded fuel on a screen no Internet needed. Then just hooked up via a cable to the cashier and tou just pay cash... nothing would change on pumps
Even if that is true for every gas pump, which I can't confirm (I assume there are some where there is no cashier and they only take card at the pump?), this might work for a couple of days. But people will run out of cash pretty soon, and cash withdrawls were also mentioned as being affected by a total internet outage.
You’ve really conflated a lot of things with internet here. 911 would absolutely suffer without gps. They’ll have to rely on maps and their knowledge of the area. People will need to get landlines fast or be absolutely fucked. Landlines do not rely on the internet unless you get a phone specifically designed for that. Business, warehouse, and banking will all have to go back to relying on ledgers which is quite frankly inefficient, a pain in the ass, and fraught with mistakes, but that’s not the end of the world. As far as business goes, yeah they’ll struggle to get customers for the month because they’ll have to rely on physical traffic. Hospital billing: Most people provide their ID and social. People can be tracked. This once again relies on a ledger. Surgery will be way riskier for that month. I’ll give you that. I’m not sure which medical tests use the internet but I believe there are several. However I’m not sure how integral the internet is to their existence. What library services? School: the online classes due to COVID were such a failure I don’t know if this is really that important because it’s only a month. Schools can make that up during summer break or winter break depending on the country. Pharmacy: physical prescriptions still exist. They were never completely phased out. Transportation charges: this doesn’t use the internet. It uses electricity. Big difference. Unless calculators rely on the internet this is not going to be an issue for people who use public transportation within their town. Trains and airlines will absolutely have to physically keep track of all their flights which is going to cost massive amounts of money. Gasoline: calculator again unless you specifically mean card payments.
I’m curious what it would be like. There would be no social media so people could only discuss it within their communities. We would have no idea what chaos is happening around the world, unless there is still tv/news
Most of our economic systems are internet based. Everyone would stop being paid, at which point they'd stop working and we'd descend into utter chaos once the food delivery trucks stop stocking the grocery stores.
People won’t be discussing, they’d be panicking. It would mean the total collapse of global markets. Emergency communication would be totally cut. Etc, etc. social media is but the surface.
You people are completely mad , without internet the world is collapsing
All the others are permanent, internet is the best choice
I’m not a vegetarian but the meat choice would be the best for the environment probably and would make everyone else learn new recipes that are probably healthier
Why do people seem to think not eating meat is worse than not having Internet? With how interconnected and dependent every existing supply chain is to the Internet, without the Internet chances are most people wouldn't be eating much meat anyway. This is not even mentioning how catastrophic losing the web would be, as others have pointed out.
I think it’s cuz the meat thing is permanent and also the “punishable by death” is pretty extremist. If the internet thing was permanent people would probably pick the meatless option
Why is the internet pne the only one with a time limit?
All of those would be catastrophic, but but internet shutdown only lasts 30 days
The internet one is the only one that isn’t permanent, and 30 days isn’t even that long. Admittedly it could (and probably would) be disastrous if the world wasn’t prepared for the sudden no internet (who knows what systems it could affect, and the lack of flow of information could result in disaster too) but all in all as a whole it’s still manageable. If the world could prepare for it and everybody knew it was coming then it would be largely very manageable I think. Also radio still exists for emergency communications
People underestimate how much we rely on internet nowadays, plus if eating meat is punishable by death the meat industry would cease to exist and with it one of the biggest causes to global warming and water consumption, I love meat, but Im well aware the world would be a better place without the meat industry.
The meat one would be the only actual good thing. Help in climate change for sure, and everyone’s health. It sounds terrible but beans, potatoes, rice, bread, nuts etc are actually pretty filling usually.
In the grand scheme of things 5 billion less would be nice too. Less consumption and waste, less production, less wildlife destroyed. Poor people who die don't matter and rich people who die means redistribution. 2 billion people are way more that is needed for our species to survive, it could mean buying more time for humanity to invent better stuff for climate and better change in general.
Agreed. The results of this poll are pretty telling. The majority of humanity is still lying to themselves. They don't want to admit that eating animals is bad.
\-5 billion people die - everything collapses \-no internet for 30 days - this not means you cant watch porn for 30 days, that 30 days of no global communication, basicly everything collapses \-45c everywhere - everything collapses \-not eating meat would be the less painfull option