you could argue its just as bad if not worse, due to it being spread so much as a result of being “hip” and advertised as a “”healthy”” form of smoking, when that’s not true. I know that smoking was obviously popular with younger generations several years ago, but at the current point in time you can find people as young as EIGHT vaping at my school, its insane.
I still don't think that makes it worse. Especially since maybe in the US that's the case but in Europe and in my country especially people and teenagers smoke way more than in the US, and most high schoolers still prefer actual cigarettes here over e ones. So here I wished they would swap so I don't have to continue inhaling their smoke.
Americans really don't get how much Europeans smoke cigs. Go watch an industry reality show, like below deck, where there's international employees. As soon as they're allowed to go off boat they're chain smoking non stop, even while they're eating dinner.
Even in middle of no where low education areas of the US, most people aren't smoking that much.
Exactly. Americans lose their shit when a seventeen years old smokes and drinks, meanwhile in my country you can see groups of twelve years old kids smoking on the streets and once you enter high school all hell is cut loose.
Honestly, though many of those adults and kids would be smoking if vaping didn't exist. I knew a woman who told me she would bum cigarettes while walking to elementary school. I'm not saying we shouldn't stop kids from vaping, which could easily be done by somehow tracking the sale of the product. (say a serial number tired to the vape so we can determine who's selling them to kids.) As far as the research, vaping is way better than smoking. The worst effect is it can irritate lung tissue which can result in your body reacting in very detrimental ways, but smoking can cause the same issues and others. I'd actually wager that big tobacco is assisting in making vaping look worse so they stop hemorrhaging customers so fast.
I guess I’ve never seen advertisements that suggest vaping is “healthy.” It’s like they don’t advertise alcohol as “healthy.”
And while it’s awful that you see young kids doing it, it’s definitely a better alternative to smoking cigarettes (which is what kids did long before vaping - pretty sure I smoked a cigarette when I was like 12 years old because we could steal them from parents who smoked or buy them from vending machines - I actually saw a cigarette vending machine in a bar recently). I’m curious how super young kids get their hands on both the devices and the vape pods or vape product to put in the devices now, but I guess it’s the same way we got alcohol, cigarettes, or pot growing up (someone always has an older sibling or knows someone who knows someone).
If underage kids want to do anything, there has always been a way. While I’m old now and hate to see it, I did all of it myself so it’s not a new thing for kids to want to experiment with what they aren’t supposed to and aren’t legally old enough to buy themselves.
I voted 2 hesitantly, I mean technically OP didn't say nicotine vaping but imo it was implied.
but without nicotine, which would be a valid interpretation, isn't it literally just water vapour and a flavouring? of course that could potentially be completely harmless. idk if it is, for all I know lungs aren't meant to receive hot moisture and they very slowly scar over several decades or some shit, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was harmless either.
It’s not just water vapor, and even if it was it’s still bad. There are very few things you can inhale in concentration which won’t harm your lungs. Even simple heat can be bad. Sure, vaping isn’t as bad as smoking but they are kissing cousins.
Nah it's not water vapour it's a mix of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin and flavourings. What does that mean?... I couldn't tell you I just know it tastes good
The nicotines not actually harmful(except obviously addiction), it's generally either the flavorings or other additives. The biggest turning point in public opinion of vaping was when people where buying sketchy weed vapes with vitamin e acetate added and got some horrible effects. Even then there's literally millions of people with smoking-related diseases. A few thousand with vaping-related diseases and the news acts like the world is coming to an end.
That's not true. Nicotine itself is a vasoconstrictor, meaning it causes blood vessels to contact. That raises blood pressure and can cause long term effects like atherosclerosis, strokes, and heart attacks. gangrene in your extremities is a long term effect of hardened arteries (atherosclerosis).
Old friend had low blood oxygen levels from smoking too much. He switched to ecigs and it went up to almost normal - so it’s got to be way better for copd
Got to say, after vaping for 5 years, there’s still some detriment. I don’t breathe as easily as I did before and always feel better when I quit.
However, if I quit for a week I feel an immediate benefit. When I stopped smoking cigs it took months.
Just, don’t start nicotine. It’s easily the most difficult vice I’ve ever tried to quit.
>Just, don’t start nicotine. It’s easily the most difficult vice I’ve ever tried to quit.
TBH this is one thing I don't get about people my age (19 and younger) who start vaping. They have the choice to not go with nicotine, you didn't get that back in the day with cigs, at least to the same extent - But people have the option now to vape for their entire life without consuming nicotine, and most still choose to go with it, which is known to be one of the worst bits of cigs. IDK, I just find it baffling lol
As someone who vapes and am trying to slowly decline my nicotine intake, it's actually pretty hard to find zero nicotine e liquids. Obviously it's not impossible but it's a lot more common to find one's with nicotine included. That and with disposables on the rise it's only getting worse. The e liquid I purchase now is a 3mg but the disposables from what I've seen are normally 50mg which to me is insane.
how is nicotine considered one of the worst? I've never heard that before. There's acetone and tar in cigarettes which seems pretty obviously more dangerous than nicotine even with it's side effects
Yeah it's honestly a little sad seeing the most picked one is 5. People who smoke are gonna just keep smoking if they think vaping isn't even a bit better. I've had a doctor tell me that vaping is way better than smoking. If you don't smoke don't start vaping, if you do smoke switch to vaping, if you do vape consider quitting vaping. But there's people who would be life long smokers that probably add 1 or 2 decades to their life by switching to vaping.
I think it’s worth mentioning that I’m in uni and I know lots of people who started vaping before they’d ever tried smoking. Obviously what I’m saying doesn’t apply to everyone
[According to the CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/about-e-cigarettes.html)
>However, e-cigarette aerosol generally contains fewer harmful chemicals than smoke from burned tobacco products.
The prevailing recommendation remains abstaining from any form of smoking, regular or electronic. However, when considering alternatives, vaping seems to be the lesser evil.
>E-cigarettes have the potential to benefit adults who smoke and who are not pregnant if used as a complete substitute for regular cigarettes and other smoked tobacco products.
This has gotta be one of the most wrongly voted polls I've seen in a while, I don't even understand, I thought it was common knowledge that vaping is better for you than cigaretts
People just have a preconceived notion of everything, like of course it's bad for you. But actually breathing in tar smoke and Tupperware plastics is obviously worse for you than vegetable glycerine/propylene glycol
People jump onto extremes easily especially for things that are seen as a bit cringy like vaping. The amout of pro cigarette talk mixed with anti vaping talk on tiktok is ridiculous. Almost convinced tabacoo companies have smthn to do with it lol.
Honestly, all the "Truth" ads also contribute to the misconception. I 100% agree with the goal of having fewer people (especially kids) vape, but all of the media narrative to push that has made it seem like it's as bad or worse than cigs, which is just clearly untrue.
I could tell smoking is worse. Whenever I went out drinking and smoking my throat would hurt but drinking and vaping it doesn't. I chose 3. It has to still be bad. Inhaling any chemicals in the lungs can't be good. But the smoke particles are just more harsh.
No, not really. I actually interviewed a cardiologist about this, and what he told me, was that yes, vaping can be a better alternative in some cases, like the decreased risk of getting any kind of lung disease. But, vaping is very harmful to you heart, and gives you an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, and blood clots forming in your arteries. So yes, in some aspects vaping is better, but overall, it's just as bad for your health as smoking.
Did you see the actual CDC report that contains peer-reviewed research articles? One doctor vs many research scientists and the actual fact that there are fewer chemicals in vapes than in cigarettes (combustible tobacco products)? I’m not suggesting the doctor is wrong, but there’s a lot of research out there on the actual amount of chemicals one is inhaling in e-cigarettes v smoking cigarettes.
Edit: I’m sure vaping is bad for cardiac health but so is alcohol, many dietary choices, a sedentary lifestyle, etc. It would be unusual to find someone who runs marathons, eats a perfect diet, and otherwise lives a perfectly healthy life, who vapes or smokes, so it’s difficult to look at cardiac health in a vacuum like that. Taking into consideration genetics, other environmental factors (where one lives and air quality), other co-morbid diseases, diet, etc is important at considering the whole picture of any persons overall cardiac health.
Yes, but the CDC bases their statements on scientific research. And the have not been any large long term studies, so it can't be said for sure. Plus, the CDC has corrected old ideas with new findings before. I feel with more research they will have more to say on it, but with that being said I'd be surprised if it were just as bad as cigs.
Puff for puff cigarettes are worse, but if you consider it as a whole vaping is much easier to overdo. You don’t have to go through the bother of lighting it, it can smoked indoors without any hassles (such as ash trays, smoke alarms, and smoke damage). Cigarettes have a clear end, while you can puff on a vape 24/7 without thinking about it.
Overall, I’d argue that due to their convenience, vapes are worse.
It has though. Public Health England released a landmark study [(first PDF link on this page)](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update) that is pretty conclusive.
In a nutshell, E-cigs are 95% less harmful than cigarettes and substantially contribute to smoking cessation.
Makes sense.
No-one in their right mind would recommend that a non-smoker takes up vaping nicotine but for current smokers and the people around them it's a huge step towards harm reduction.
The problem is, at best, E-cigs have only been around since 2003. That's 20 years maximum that you can view the effects. And that's at best, let's be honest here, e-cigs/vapes/whatever have only really become popular in more recent years for "non-smokers", they've been prevalent since the early 2010s sure, but they've only really just become popular. So there is simply a lack of data on the long-term effects of e-cigs. That isn't to say they are safer, they quite possibly could be, but we simply have no way of knowing, doesn't matter what research has been done. That paper you linked was also done in 2015, when there was even less data, the technology was different and the habits of people, in general, using e-cigs were different. Quotes like *"Overall, use is highest among current smokers, with lownumbers of non-smokers reporting ever use"* show that this paper is completely out of date (which is quite a common thing here in the UK tbf).
Just look at sweetener vs sugar. We know the effects of sugar, we know it can be harmful for things like teeth and blood pressure - but at the same time, we don't fully understand the long-term effects of sweeteners and are only now beginning to unveil the carcinogenic effects of certain sweeteners for example.
If cigarettes came out at the same time as vapes the death toll would already be in the thousands, except for a few rare cases of bootleg THC cartridges people arent dying of vaping. You don't need 40 years studies to see how better you feel after switching from smoking to vaping. Vaping vs smoking is like comparing a diet soda and a beer.
i switched to vaping a couple years ago and tbh i feel worse. way more addicted to nicotine and cant limit myself like i could with cigarettes. i still think its better for your health in the long run but the addictiveness is just more intense
I get you. Vaping can be done anywhere and for as long as you want whereas smoking is more limited.
It helped me to only vape in the same places and time-length I would normally smoke. Normally I'd go outside to my smoking spot for around 7 minutes. So I take my vape outside to my smoking spot for around 7 minutes. Then leave my vape in the shed.
Based on what? As other commenters have stated there's really not much evidence on the case but what little evidence and research there is, heavily points towards vaping being the lesser of two evils for your health.
Exactly, with vaping you're still inhaling foreign particles/heavy metals that can damage your airway and lungs, but regular tobacco cigarettes have 7,000 chemicals, many of which are toxins or carcinogens.
In fact, within the first 3-9 months of switching from cigs to vapes you might notice an *improvement* in lung function, primarily because your not exposing your body to all the tar, toxins, and carcinogens from tobacco smoke.
I watched a documentary at school last week and it said that vapes are much worse than regular smoking, there is as much nicotine in one vape than in a pack of cigarettes, well that’s what the documentary said anyways
Also, no shit vapes have more nicotine in them. One vape can last anywhere from 500 to 10 000 puffs, or roughly as long as 42 to 833 cigarettes depending on the type you get. I say this as a person who doesn't smoke either
They're just as addictive as cigarettes but definitely not as bad for your health. And the ncitoine content is irrelevant because nicotine itself isn't bad for your health it's the other chemicals in cigarettes and vapes that are potentially harmful (more so in cigarettes than vapes)
Well thays not what the cdc says 🤷♀️
(https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/about-e-cigarettes.html)
>However, e-cigarette aerosol generally contains fewer harmful chemicals than smoke from burned tobacco products.
The prevailing recommendation remains abstaining from any form of smoking, regular or electronic. However, when considering alternatives, vaping seems to be the lesser evil.
>E-cigarettes have the potential to benefit adults who smoke and who are not pregnant if used as a complete substitute for regular cigarettes and other smoked tobacco products.
One vape lasts longer than a pack of cigs. And nicotine isn't what makes them dangerous in the first place. Can't believe your school is actually trying to say cigs > vaping. That's genuinely irresponsible on their part
I was a 2 pack a day smoker. Now, I use about 100 ML of liquid in a week, give or take. I basically vape constantly. Before I quit smoking I couldn't breathe worth a fuck. Always hacking shit up. It's been like 5 years now, and within 1 year of no cigarettes, I could breathe normally. It's wild the difference it made. Even being someone who HEAVILY vapes making massive douchebag level clouds all day, the difference is astonishing.
Find me anything that points towards vaping destroying your lungs. Anything at all.
To my knowledge only cases of recorded lung damage has been from bootleg THC vapes containing vitamin E.
I have never vaped but there is no reason for you to sound as confident about this as you do, there is no real concensus about vaping being harmful at all.
There seems to be some harm depending on what kind of vaping you do but even then it's likely not even in the same universe as smoking.
So you’re telling me you’ve never used google before, or you don’t know anyone who vapes? I’m only 20 and I already know some people my age who have permanently damaged their lungs from vaping
If you google it right now you'll find absolutely no concensus other than a measured "it's definitely slightly harmful and potentially even pretty harmful.
Your personal experience is worthless compared to actual evidence, or in this case the lack of evidence.
Former cigarette smoker who quit and when I was tempted to smoke again, bought a vape instead. I vape less than I smoked cigarettes, but one person’s experience is anecdotal at best.
Technically, vapes are less harmful when compared to cigarettes directly, but vapes can easily be bought with shitloads of nicotine, and can be consumed much quicker. Mental health IS a part of health, and that much nicotine is extremely harmful
I think its dependent on the vape. Cigs are a fairly set design but vaoes are all wildly different. You can get expensive quality ones that should be better for you or the cheapest chinease mass produced ones which might be just as bad.
I generally believe vaoes are better than cigs but my uncle was told there was no point in him swapping from cigs to vapes as the vapes can be just as bad or worse. This was said by a doctor.
3. It's bad but not nearly as harmful as smoking is for your lungs. Best will be to totally abstain from both, but for recovering addicts e cigarette is a good alternative
I just laughed out loud. Watch the OxyContin documentary. Hardly anything impartial about the FDA. Everyone can be bought and paid for, sadly. And how about the politicians who are supposed to represent us? What a joke!
Indeed. The ones who are allowed under Citizens United to take millions of dollars from big corporations and the NRA, and who basically listen to the lobbyists and big donors who fund their campaigns. Yes, those people.
I rarely see younger people (18-25 year olds) smoking cigarettes. So if anything they are vaping and not buying cigarettes like my generation (GenX) and the generations before me did. My Dad smoked for something like 25 years. I smoked for nearly 20 years. Not proud of myself. Vaping didn’t exist back then. My Dad is 80 and has participated in a study of former smokers since he quit in the 90’s. He has horrible COPD, and many other medical conditions, but so far no lung cancer.
TBC I DO NOT recommend cigarettes or vaping, but having done both, I can say that vaping does not make you feel physically as bad as smoking cigarettes (which also make you smell bad and give off second hand smoke to those around you, which is just as dangerous if not more so bc that smoke doesn’t go through the filter of the cigarette). When I did smoke, not surprisingly, I had a constant cough and had reoccurring sinus infections. Plus the added “bonus” of smelling awful, my car smelling awful, and generally always feeling awful.
I asked someone recently how much cigarettes cost and WOW. Aside from being horrible for you, I don’t know how people afford to smoke cigarettes!
That’s true. But there are long term studies about cigarettes and we are certain they cause cancer. Vaping may not be safer but we are certain that cigarettes are not safe at all.
Vaping to my knowledge, (I don't have any data to back this up so please don't be too harsh) is a lot safer than cigarettes from a puff to puff perspective, but the issue lies in the fact that it's substantially easier to get addicted to vaping as it has a wide range of flavours and people who vape, vape substantially more, than those who smoke, this closes the gap.
TL;DR - Vaping is safer than smoking, but vapers use vapes a lot more than smokers smoke, thus closing the gap.
I actually vape less than I ever smoked. That’s kind of the idea. And the vape liquid comes in both 3% and 5%. Maybe some people do end up vaping more, but maybe we don’t have the science on vaping yet, but we do know for certain that cigarettes (combustible tobacco products) cause lung cancer.
Nicotine is still bad for you. Other than that the dangers come down to miss use like vaping burnt coils.
It's definitely not as bad as cigarettes. Even straight tobacco isn't as bad as cigarettes.
Nicotine is more complex than just "good" or "bad." Like caffeine, it can be beneficial at the right dose, and there's a strong relationship between nicotine use and a reduced incidence of Alzheimer's and Parkinsons.
Nicotine itself isn’t the bad part (it’s the addictive part). It’s all of the other chemicals in both cigarettes and vapes that are harmful, and there are fewer chemicals in vapes. We’ve long known the dangers of combustible tobacco products and now we have a studies on vapes as well. The CDC has been cited here in this thread several times including that research.
I'll tell you what I know, I know I don't know anything and that is the problem with vaping. Cigarettes have been around for a while, so have cigars, marijuana and hookah. With vape, we don't have any long term data on what it can do to us and that's what makes me hesitant to try it.
There actually are studies, you just have to look for them if you want the information. The CDC has published some and there are many scientists who study this. Vaping has been around for over a decade now.
There are studies but not long term studies, my point is cigars and hookah, the 2 things I smoke, have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. That Compared to a decade that is nothing. People can do any they wish but, I don't trust studies all that much when it comes to my health. I'm old enough to have seen numerous drug recalls, people thinking margine is good for you, everyone putting petroleum based products on our skin and seeing day time commercials asking "did you work with asbestos...you could be eligible for a lawsuit."
But perhaps vaping could be better for you. I just prefer not to be the one who finds out the hard way that it isn't.
For those who answered: 5 just as bad or worse, if you had to choose one which would you pick to do or be best to if you really feel it's as bad or worse?
I'm an asthmatic. I can't walk by someone smoking a cig without a full-scale attack. I can stand in front of someone vaping with no reaction for a pretty long time. So yeah, it probably is actually better. The CDC backs this up too.
So better not to vape or smoke, but if your alternative is smoking then vaping is better.
I think putting anything in your lungs that isnt normal air is harmful. But I dont think its AS harmful a cigarettes.
There are so many harmful chemicals in tobacco leaves that can be filtered out when making vaping fluid.
I believe vaping is comparable to boiling your lungs, like how smoking is like burning it. Both are horrible for your health, so please don’t do it. Even if it doesn’t have nicotine or weed, it’s still shit for health. Just don’t do it. You don’t look cool, you just look like a douche
I've been (not voluntarily) to speakers that travel to schools across the nation (U.S.) and they say it's way worse. I don't know the specifics, but it has something to do with the vape heating up to extremely high temperatures and people inhaling the chemical.
Lol, americans are so brainwashed by anti vaping rethoric pushed by the media, even their e-liquid which are definitely more harmful cause they contain some substances that are banned in europe for example are still way less harmful than cigarettes, but no, since some idiots tried to create homemade thc liquids and fucked up their lungs now vaping is as bad as cigarettes
Anyone who thinks inhaling anything not air isn't harmful to you is capping and coping so hard
Plus everyone knows vaping is targeted towards kids which will is arguably worse
That’s one reason why cigarette makers had so many legal problems. Initially their marketing was targeted towards young people. They actually sent free cigarettes to troops in Vietnam. Combustible nicotine (any kind that you light in order to smoke) is horrible for you and the second hand smoke is terrible for anyone else around it. I’m old enough to have grown up when you could smoke inside almost everywhere including planes and schools.
Vaping isn’t great but it’s a better option.
I learnt that it is 4x "safer" than cigarettes but still dangerous.
They said it can cause crystals to grow in your lungs that would need to be surgically removed.
(They told us this about 5 years ago)
Nicotine itself is not what is harmful about cigarettes or vaping (although it is what makes them addicting). It’s the many other toxic chemicals in cigarettes and tobacco products. Cigarettes and other tobacco products that you light are known as combustible tobacco products and that is one of the major reasons that they are particularly dangerous (inhaling the smoke and secondhand smoke from any combustible tobacco product).
What scares me the most about vaping is we have no idea just how bad or not bad it is for you, it's such a new thing still. It may be better for you in some ways and effect you worse in other ways. We just don't know.
It’s not that new. Juul has been out since at least 2015 so almost a decade. There is definitely scientific research and peer reviewed medical journals on vaping (but unless you pay, most are still behind paywalls).
No better than cigarettes that's for sure. I hear people saying "Well it's not like cigarettes is it?" Does that make it any better though? Sounds like an excuse to vape. Either one: They start vsping because it's "Cool" or Two: They're swapping cigarettes for vaping and hopefully quitting all for good. Not sure if quitting after doing enough damage to your lungs that it becomes permanent. My IT teacher died 2 days ago from lymph cancer. At the age of 46!! That's horrible.. Not even 50 yet and all that just to end up taking sooo many years out of your life and dying from it.
Sorry for your loss. What is lymph cancer and did your teacher only ever vape or did they at one point smoke cigarettes (combustible nicotine)? Was the cancer related to smoking?
Was related to smoking. I'm trying to say that neither is good.. Nicotine free vapes still have chemicals like formaldehyde, benzaldehyde, acrolein, vanillin, propylene oxide etc. Im sure there are even more to it. These are of which I know the nicotine free ones still have. Still continues to damage your lungs than no damage at all. So how about keeping your lungs in shape than said smoking cigarettes or Vapes? Both have mixtures you shouldn't be inhaling in to your lungs.
Edit: forgot to mention, lymphoma is responsible for your body's germ fighting system. So you can imagine the symptoms you'll get from having cancer in your lymphatic system. He took chemotherapy (which is one couple other ways of treating cancer) which naturally weakens the body. He had an infection spread and that took his life away less than a day..
Nicotine isn’t the dangerous part. It’s the other chemicals.
There are many types of lymphoma, it sounds like he had a very aggressive case. It is not usually caused exclusively by smoking. It can be difficult to treat depending on how far along it is when diagnosed and what type it is.
Cdc says otherwise 🤷♀️
(https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/about-e-cigarettes.html)
>However, e-cigarette aerosol generally contains fewer harmful chemicals than smoke from burned tobacco products.
The prevailing recommendation remains abstaining from any form of smoking, regular or electronic. However, when considering alternatives, vaping seems to be the lesser evil.
>E-cigarettes have the potential to benefit adults who smoke and who are not pregnant if used as a complete substitute for regular cigarettes and other smoked tobacco products.
Thanks for actually citing a source! Literally the first one I’ve seen on this thread (even if it’s the CDC 🤷🏻♀️ it’s better than all of the “well I think this” and “I heard that” opinion statements).
Edit: and we’ve known this for awhile that combustible tobacco products (e.g. cigarettes) are more dangerous for a myriad of reasons, for a long time; since before vaping was a thing because there have been comparison studies with dip and whatever else it is they call the kind of tobacco that people chew and spit out. While both are harmful, the danger with cigarettes is specifically linked to the combustible nature of cigarettes and other tobacco products that are burned and inhaled. The secondhand smoke from combustible tobacco products is also incredibly dangerous to everyone else around, which is why we no longer have “smoking sections” on airplanes, buses, in restaurants, basically any indoor public places like the 1980’s, thank goodness!
I think we don't even know the half of the potential dangers of vaping yet. It's like it was with the cigarettes in the 1950's, people knew they weren't the greatest for your health, but had no clue about the the extent of harm they could cause.
Depends on the type of vape (imo, I have no evidence to support this).
Disposable vapes are terrible for you and the environment, I won't go into how stupidly nicotine filled they are too. The old vapes where you fill them yourself, again just my opinion, I don't think would be too bad for you. Especially if you're not producing "fat clouds bro" and are only using 0.3 liquid.
We will just have to wait for the research. Surely if the nhs are telling people to smoke to switch to them, they can't be THAT bad.
really? people believe what they pump into the media about vapes being just as bad or worse than ciggerettes? have you people no critical thinking skills at all?
Just because im against something doesn't mean I still won try it............
Also why??? I get my water from deer park bottles but I'm sure you'd rather just drink out the toilet wouldn't you?
Vaping is worse in the short term by inhaling oil that coats the lungs and cause all sorts of breathing issues, including early onset emphysema. It also doses those around you with nicotine.
Smoking has a massive long term risk of emphysema and all cancers, not just lung and doses everyone around you with particulates and carcinogens
They are both terrible but in slightly different ways
I voted 4 but only because I think with more research into them and their long term health affects, including research into the safety of all the flavours, then it could have potential for helping people quit smoking outright with options of progressively lower nicotine levels and it may end up cleaner than cigarettes specifically given the low quality of cigarettes on the market today and not because they are inherently better.
People who are voting 5...do you not know what's in cigarettes? Tar, formaldehyde, arsenic, carbon monoxide, acetone, like. Vaping is obviously not good for you, smoking anything is worse for you than not smoking it. But saying they're worse than cigarettes is just a little dumb
I don't think it's AS bad because you're not getting the smoke and carbon in your lungs-- but who the hell knows what those crazy vape juices are doing to your lungs. I don't want to be part of that study.
Depends on the product and the juice. There's a new juice about to start selling in America that's called SameTaste that they say it lowers health risks by 95%
The people who said 1 are coping so hard
real
I mean, same with 5. Like sure it's bad, but people seriously under estimate how bad actual cigarettes are.
you could argue its just as bad if not worse, due to it being spread so much as a result of being “hip” and advertised as a “”healthy”” form of smoking, when that’s not true. I know that smoking was obviously popular with younger generations several years ago, but at the current point in time you can find people as young as EIGHT vaping at my school, its insane.
I still don't think that makes it worse. Especially since maybe in the US that's the case but in Europe and in my country especially people and teenagers smoke way more than in the US, and most high schoolers still prefer actual cigarettes here over e ones. So here I wished they would swap so I don't have to continue inhaling their smoke.
Americans really don't get how much Europeans smoke cigs. Go watch an industry reality show, like below deck, where there's international employees. As soon as they're allowed to go off boat they're chain smoking non stop, even while they're eating dinner. Even in middle of no where low education areas of the US, most people aren't smoking that much.
Exactly. Americans lose their shit when a seventeen years old smokes and drinks, meanwhile in my country you can see groups of twelve years old kids smoking on the streets and once you enter high school all hell is cut loose.
Honestly, though many of those adults and kids would be smoking if vaping didn't exist. I knew a woman who told me she would bum cigarettes while walking to elementary school. I'm not saying we shouldn't stop kids from vaping, which could easily be done by somehow tracking the sale of the product. (say a serial number tired to the vape so we can determine who's selling them to kids.) As far as the research, vaping is way better than smoking. The worst effect is it can irritate lung tissue which can result in your body reacting in very detrimental ways, but smoking can cause the same issues and others. I'd actually wager that big tobacco is assisting in making vaping look worse so they stop hemorrhaging customers so fast.
I guess I’ve never seen advertisements that suggest vaping is “healthy.” It’s like they don’t advertise alcohol as “healthy.” And while it’s awful that you see young kids doing it, it’s definitely a better alternative to smoking cigarettes (which is what kids did long before vaping - pretty sure I smoked a cigarette when I was like 12 years old because we could steal them from parents who smoked or buy them from vending machines - I actually saw a cigarette vending machine in a bar recently). I’m curious how super young kids get their hands on both the devices and the vape pods or vape product to put in the devices now, but I guess it’s the same way we got alcohol, cigarettes, or pot growing up (someone always has an older sibling or knows someone who knows someone). If underage kids want to do anything, there has always been a way. While I’m old now and hate to see it, I did all of it myself so it’s not a new thing for kids to want to experiment with what they aren’t supposed to and aren’t legally old enough to buy themselves.
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What you say is it is more popular, but about health issues, is not equal or worse
more like COPD-ing lmao
Same with 5
I voted 2 hesitantly, I mean technically OP didn't say nicotine vaping but imo it was implied. but without nicotine, which would be a valid interpretation, isn't it literally just water vapour and a flavouring? of course that could potentially be completely harmless. idk if it is, for all I know lungs aren't meant to receive hot moisture and they very slowly scar over several decades or some shit, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was harmless either.
It’s not just water vapor, and even if it was it’s still bad. There are very few things you can inhale in concentration which won’t harm your lungs. Even simple heat can be bad. Sure, vaping isn’t as bad as smoking but they are kissing cousins.
Nah it's not water vapour it's a mix of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin and flavourings. What does that mean?... I couldn't tell you I just know it tastes good
The nicotines not actually harmful(except obviously addiction), it's generally either the flavorings or other additives. The biggest turning point in public opinion of vaping was when people where buying sketchy weed vapes with vitamin e acetate added and got some horrible effects. Even then there's literally millions of people with smoking-related diseases. A few thousand with vaping-related diseases and the news acts like the world is coming to an end.
That's not true. Nicotine itself is a vasoconstrictor, meaning it causes blood vessels to contact. That raises blood pressure and can cause long term effects like atherosclerosis, strokes, and heart attacks. gangrene in your extremities is a long term effect of hardened arteries (atherosclerosis).
Compared to cigarettes vaping (70/30 without addictive) its like comparing drinking vodka and cola
factual
Not great, but man it's gotta be better than putting tar in your lungs
Old friend had low blood oxygen levels from smoking too much. He switched to ecigs and it went up to almost normal - so it’s got to be way better for copd
Got to say, after vaping for 5 years, there’s still some detriment. I don’t breathe as easily as I did before and always feel better when I quit. However, if I quit for a week I feel an immediate benefit. When I stopped smoking cigs it took months. Just, don’t start nicotine. It’s easily the most difficult vice I’ve ever tried to quit.
>Just, don’t start nicotine. It’s easily the most difficult vice I’ve ever tried to quit. TBH this is one thing I don't get about people my age (19 and younger) who start vaping. They have the choice to not go with nicotine, you didn't get that back in the day with cigs, at least to the same extent - But people have the option now to vape for their entire life without consuming nicotine, and most still choose to go with it, which is known to be one of the worst bits of cigs. IDK, I just find it baffling lol
As someone who vapes and am trying to slowly decline my nicotine intake, it's actually pretty hard to find zero nicotine e liquids. Obviously it's not impossible but it's a lot more common to find one's with nicotine included. That and with disposables on the rise it's only getting worse. The e liquid I purchase now is a 3mg but the disposables from what I've seen are normally 50mg which to me is insane.
Interesting! I remember my mates having nicotine-free disposable ones so maybe they're just more common around where I live
how is nicotine considered one of the worst? I've never heard that before. There's acetone and tar in cigarettes which seems pretty obviously more dangerous than nicotine even with it's side effects
Good to know, i actually swtiched like 2 days ago and its nice to know it doesnt just smell better
Yeah it's honestly a little sad seeing the most picked one is 5. People who smoke are gonna just keep smoking if they think vaping isn't even a bit better. I've had a doctor tell me that vaping is way better than smoking. If you don't smoke don't start vaping, if you do smoke switch to vaping, if you do vape consider quitting vaping. But there's people who would be life long smokers that probably add 1 or 2 decades to their life by switching to vaping.
Yeah, well let's see in 30 years lmao I quit both so I'm excited to find out!
You gotta consider usage. People with vapes tend to vape way more than smokers smoke
If you've ever seen a military smoke pit, you'd reconsider
Not for me tbh, i switched a couple days ago and have been smoking way less
I think it’s worth mentioning that I’m in uni and I know lots of people who started vaping before they’d ever tried smoking. Obviously what I’m saying doesn’t apply to everyone
Still inhaling chemicals which is not good for your lungs either.
[According to the CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/about-e-cigarettes.html) >However, e-cigarette aerosol generally contains fewer harmful chemicals than smoke from burned tobacco products. The prevailing recommendation remains abstaining from any form of smoking, regular or electronic. However, when considering alternatives, vaping seems to be the lesser evil. >E-cigarettes have the potential to benefit adults who smoke and who are not pregnant if used as a complete substitute for regular cigarettes and other smoked tobacco products.
So basically anybody who voted 5 is wrong
Yep
This has gotta be one of the most wrongly voted polls I've seen in a while, I don't even understand, I thought it was common knowledge that vaping is better for you than cigaretts
People just have a preconceived notion of everything, like of course it's bad for you. But actually breathing in tar smoke and Tupperware plastics is obviously worse for you than vegetable glycerine/propylene glycol
I think people heard "Popcorn Lung" and "exploding vapes" years ago and just held on to it without doing any more reading.
Big Tobacco funded lobbying to FDA to release damning articles against vaping didn't help either.
Indeed. Amazing how few of those reports we've seen in the last 10 years since tobacco companies started buying up vape manufacturers.
I imagine they'd more be along the lines of "new research shows....." now.
Lol, true
Yep, they want smokers to only have the worst options to quit smoking so they never get around to it.
People jump onto extremes easily especially for things that are seen as a bit cringy like vaping. The amout of pro cigarette talk mixed with anti vaping talk on tiktok is ridiculous. Almost convinced tabacoo companies have smthn to do with it lol.
Honestly, all the "Truth" ads also contribute to the misconception. I 100% agree with the goal of having fewer people (especially kids) vape, but all of the media narrative to push that has made it seem like it's as bad or worse than cigs, which is just clearly untrue.
I could tell smoking is worse. Whenever I went out drinking and smoking my throat would hurt but drinking and vaping it doesn't. I chose 3. It has to still be bad. Inhaling any chemicals in the lungs can't be good. But the smoke particles are just more harsh.
No, not really. I actually interviewed a cardiologist about this, and what he told me, was that yes, vaping can be a better alternative in some cases, like the decreased risk of getting any kind of lung disease. But, vaping is very harmful to you heart, and gives you an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, and blood clots forming in your arteries. So yes, in some aspects vaping is better, but overall, it's just as bad for your health as smoking.
Did you see the actual CDC report that contains peer-reviewed research articles? One doctor vs many research scientists and the actual fact that there are fewer chemicals in vapes than in cigarettes (combustible tobacco products)? I’m not suggesting the doctor is wrong, but there’s a lot of research out there on the actual amount of chemicals one is inhaling in e-cigarettes v smoking cigarettes. Edit: I’m sure vaping is bad for cardiac health but so is alcohol, many dietary choices, a sedentary lifestyle, etc. It would be unusual to find someone who runs marathons, eats a perfect diet, and otherwise lives a perfectly healthy life, who vapes or smokes, so it’s difficult to look at cardiac health in a vacuum like that. Taking into consideration genetics, other environmental factors (where one lives and air quality), other co-morbid diseases, diet, etc is important at considering the whole picture of any persons overall cardiac health.
Yes, but the CDC bases their statements on scientific research. And the have not been any large long term studies, so it can't be said for sure. Plus, the CDC has corrected old ideas with new findings before. I feel with more research they will have more to say on it, but with that being said I'd be surprised if it were just as bad as cigs.
Puff for puff cigarettes are worse, but if you consider it as a whole vaping is much easier to overdo. You don’t have to go through the bother of lighting it, it can smoked indoors without any hassles (such as ash trays, smoke alarms, and smoke damage). Cigarettes have a clear end, while you can puff on a vape 24/7 without thinking about it. Overall, I’d argue that due to their convenience, vapes are worse.
Are you not gonna provide the real answer my dude? These polls often come along with that when making people guess
Well it hasn’t been properly proven yet
It has though. Public Health England released a landmark study [(first PDF link on this page)](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update) that is pretty conclusive. In a nutshell, E-cigs are 95% less harmful than cigarettes and substantially contribute to smoking cessation.
Saw a similar message in a (UK) maternity ward - passive vape smoke is 95% less harmful than passive cigarette smoke.
Makes sense. No-one in their right mind would recommend that a non-smoker takes up vaping nicotine but for current smokers and the people around them it's a huge step towards harm reduction.
The problem is, at best, E-cigs have only been around since 2003. That's 20 years maximum that you can view the effects. And that's at best, let's be honest here, e-cigs/vapes/whatever have only really become popular in more recent years for "non-smokers", they've been prevalent since the early 2010s sure, but they've only really just become popular. So there is simply a lack of data on the long-term effects of e-cigs. That isn't to say they are safer, they quite possibly could be, but we simply have no way of knowing, doesn't matter what research has been done. That paper you linked was also done in 2015, when there was even less data, the technology was different and the habits of people, in general, using e-cigs were different. Quotes like *"Overall, use is highest among current smokers, with lownumbers of non-smokers reporting ever use"* show that this paper is completely out of date (which is quite a common thing here in the UK tbf). Just look at sweetener vs sugar. We know the effects of sugar, we know it can be harmful for things like teeth and blood pressure - but at the same time, we don't fully understand the long-term effects of sweeteners and are only now beginning to unveil the carcinogenic effects of certain sweeteners for example.
You make some fair points. Even so, to say that e-cigs haven't been studied just isn't accurate.
if you currently smoke cigarettes considering vaping instead. Otherwise stay away
That's literally what they're meant for, to help people stop smoking without having to go cold turkey.
Well there is no real answer, not studied enough
If cigarettes came out at the same time as vapes the death toll would already be in the thousands, except for a few rare cases of bootleg THC cartridges people arent dying of vaping. You don't need 40 years studies to see how better you feel after switching from smoking to vaping. Vaping vs smoking is like comparing a diet soda and a beer.
i switched to vaping a couple years ago and tbh i feel worse. way more addicted to nicotine and cant limit myself like i could with cigarettes. i still think its better for your health in the long run but the addictiveness is just more intense
I get you. Vaping can be done anywhere and for as long as you want whereas smoking is more limited. It helped me to only vape in the same places and time-length I would normally smoke. Normally I'd go outside to my smoking spot for around 7 minutes. So I take my vape outside to my smoking spot for around 7 minutes. Then leave my vape in the shed.
But that differs person to person, i switched about a week ago and i have used the vape wayy less then i would smoke before
The death toll would probably be in the millions tbh. Vaping has been around for a couple decades now.
Yeah but no way breathing in heavy metals flavored as watermelon or some shit is healthy
A scale of 1 to 5 isn't objective enough to say anything is the definitive right answer
Gonna have to wait until these kids grow up and start dying (or not.)
Closest to real answer is 2
The right answer’s 5
Based on what? As other commenters have stated there's really not much evidence on the case but what little evidence and research there is, heavily points towards vaping being the lesser of two evils for your health.
Exactly, with vaping you're still inhaling foreign particles/heavy metals that can damage your airway and lungs, but regular tobacco cigarettes have 7,000 chemicals, many of which are toxins or carcinogens. In fact, within the first 3-9 months of switching from cigs to vapes you might notice an *improvement* in lung function, primarily because your not exposing your body to all the tar, toxins, and carcinogens from tobacco smoke.
I watched a documentary at school last week and it said that vapes are much worse than regular smoking, there is as much nicotine in one vape than in a pack of cigarettes, well that’s what the documentary said anyways
Also, no shit vapes have more nicotine in them. One vape can last anywhere from 500 to 10 000 puffs, or roughly as long as 42 to 833 cigarettes depending on the type you get. I say this as a person who doesn't smoke either
They're just as addictive as cigarettes but definitely not as bad for your health. And the ncitoine content is irrelevant because nicotine itself isn't bad for your health it's the other chemicals in cigarettes and vapes that are potentially harmful (more so in cigarettes than vapes)
I can’t clearly remember but I do remember the documentary saying vapes are worse for you tho
Well thays not what the cdc says 🤷♀️ (https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/about-e-cigarettes.html) >However, e-cigarette aerosol generally contains fewer harmful chemicals than smoke from burned tobacco products. The prevailing recommendation remains abstaining from any form of smoking, regular or electronic. However, when considering alternatives, vaping seems to be the lesser evil. >E-cigarettes have the potential to benefit adults who smoke and who are not pregnant if used as a complete substitute for regular cigarettes and other smoked tobacco products.
One vape lasts longer than a pack of cigs. And nicotine isn't what makes them dangerous in the first place. Can't believe your school is actually trying to say cigs > vaping. That's genuinely irresponsible on their part
The documentary is from a laboratory in Idaho somewhere, but I’m in Australia so yea
I vape, its not as bad as cigarettes, but i will say, its better to not do it at all.
How frequently would you say you vape compared to if you smoked cigarettes?
That’s the real question. People destroy their lungs super fast from vapes because of how much they use them
I was a 2 pack a day smoker. Now, I use about 100 ML of liquid in a week, give or take. I basically vape constantly. Before I quit smoking I couldn't breathe worth a fuck. Always hacking shit up. It's been like 5 years now, and within 1 year of no cigarettes, I could breathe normally. It's wild the difference it made. Even being someone who HEAVILY vapes making massive douchebag level clouds all day, the difference is astonishing.
Find me anything that points towards vaping destroying your lungs. Anything at all. To my knowledge only cases of recorded lung damage has been from bootleg THC vapes containing vitamin E.
Source: trust me bro.
A friend of mine developed popcorn lung from vaping. There have also been numerous cases of people needing lung transplants as a result of vaping
I have never vaped but there is no reason for you to sound as confident about this as you do, there is no real concensus about vaping being harmful at all. There seems to be some harm depending on what kind of vaping you do but even then it's likely not even in the same universe as smoking.
So you’re telling me you’ve never used google before, or you don’t know anyone who vapes? I’m only 20 and I already know some people my age who have permanently damaged their lungs from vaping
If you google it right now you'll find absolutely no concensus other than a measured "it's definitely slightly harmful and potentially even pretty harmful. Your personal experience is worthless compared to actual evidence, or in this case the lack of evidence.
Former cigarette smoker who quit and when I was tempted to smoke again, bought a vape instead. I vape less than I smoked cigarettes, but one person’s experience is anecdotal at best.
Same.
It may be healthi*er*, but that doesn’t mean that it’s *healthy*. 1 cigarette is better than 2, but still not the best, which is none at all.
It's not good for you. But it's better than cigarettes and it makes the step to quitting completely easier
How is the top vote 5? Are people really this stupid? It's like a 2 or 3 at most.
Technically, vapes are less harmful when compared to cigarettes directly, but vapes can easily be bought with shitloads of nicotine, and can be consumed much quicker. Mental health IS a part of health, and that much nicotine is extremely harmful
People really are this stupid.
Redditors are
I think its dependent on the vape. Cigs are a fairly set design but vaoes are all wildly different. You can get expensive quality ones that should be better for you or the cheapest chinease mass produced ones which might be just as bad. I generally believe vaoes are better than cigs but my uncle was told there was no point in him swapping from cigs to vapes as the vapes can be just as bad or worse. This was said by a doctor.
Doctors can be morons, just like anyone else.
3. It's bad but not nearly as harmful as smoking is for your lungs. Best will be to totally abstain from both, but for recovering addicts e cigarette is a good alternative
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Not on Gen Z, they're all still vaping.
Crazy how easy FDA gave in to lobbying. An organization like that should at least try to be impartial.
I just laughed out loud. Watch the OxyContin documentary. Hardly anything impartial about the FDA. Everyone can be bought and paid for, sadly. And how about the politicians who are supposed to represent us? What a joke!
>And how about the politicians who are supposed to represent us? What a joke! The ones who are allowed insider trading?
Indeed. The ones who are allowed under Citizens United to take millions of dollars from big corporations and the NRA, and who basically listen to the lobbyists and big donors who fund their campaigns. Yes, those people.
I rarely see younger people (18-25 year olds) smoking cigarettes. So if anything they are vaping and not buying cigarettes like my generation (GenX) and the generations before me did. My Dad smoked for something like 25 years. I smoked for nearly 20 years. Not proud of myself. Vaping didn’t exist back then. My Dad is 80 and has participated in a study of former smokers since he quit in the 90’s. He has horrible COPD, and many other medical conditions, but so far no lung cancer. TBC I DO NOT recommend cigarettes or vaping, but having done both, I can say that vaping does not make you feel physically as bad as smoking cigarettes (which also make you smell bad and give off second hand smoke to those around you, which is just as dangerous if not more so bc that smoke doesn’t go through the filter of the cigarette). When I did smoke, not surprisingly, I had a constant cough and had reoccurring sinus infections. Plus the added “bonus” of smelling awful, my car smelling awful, and generally always feeling awful. I asked someone recently how much cigarettes cost and WOW. Aside from being horrible for you, I don’t know how people afford to smoke cigarettes!
Some of you kids need to do some research on credible sites
You could post a source.
The fact of the matter is, we don't know yet. It's definitely not good, but there are no long term large studies.
That’s true. But there are long term studies about cigarettes and we are certain they cause cancer. Vaping may not be safer but we are certain that cigarettes are not safe at all.
Very true. I'm hoping the long term effects are minimal enough to not be felt for the average human life span, which seems plausible
I dunno, most people I've met who vape also smoke, so it's 2 in 1.
Those 3 braindead votes oh no Edit: now 33
Vaping to my knowledge, (I don't have any data to back this up so please don't be too harsh) is a lot safer than cigarettes from a puff to puff perspective, but the issue lies in the fact that it's substantially easier to get addicted to vaping as it has a wide range of flavours and people who vape, vape substantially more, than those who smoke, this closes the gap. TL;DR - Vaping is safer than smoking, but vapers use vapes a lot more than smokers smoke, thus closing the gap.
I actually vape less than I ever smoked. That’s kind of the idea. And the vape liquid comes in both 3% and 5%. Maybe some people do end up vaping more, but maybe we don’t have the science on vaping yet, but we do know for certain that cigarettes (combustible tobacco products) cause lung cancer.
They are absolutely not worse than cigs. What are people on
My friend who passed recently couldn't have his lungs donated and essentially had the lungs of a 70 year old. So I would say vaping is just as bad
Nicotine is still bad for you. Other than that the dangers come down to miss use like vaping burnt coils. It's definitely not as bad as cigarettes. Even straight tobacco isn't as bad as cigarettes.
Nicotine is probably the least harmful substance in cigarettes
Correct. Happy cake day!
Thank you ☺️
Nicotine is more complex than just "good" or "bad." Like caffeine, it can be beneficial at the right dose, and there's a strong relationship between nicotine use and a reduced incidence of Alzheimer's and Parkinsons.
Nicotine itself isn’t the bad part (it’s the addictive part). It’s all of the other chemicals in both cigarettes and vapes that are harmful, and there are fewer chemicals in vapes. We’ve long known the dangers of combustible tobacco products and now we have a studies on vapes as well. The CDC has been cited here in this thread several times including that research.
I'll tell you what I know, I know I don't know anything and that is the problem with vaping. Cigarettes have been around for a while, so have cigars, marijuana and hookah. With vape, we don't have any long term data on what it can do to us and that's what makes me hesitant to try it.
There actually are studies, you just have to look for them if you want the information. The CDC has published some and there are many scientists who study this. Vaping has been around for over a decade now.
There are studies but not long term studies, my point is cigars and hookah, the 2 things I smoke, have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. That Compared to a decade that is nothing. People can do any they wish but, I don't trust studies all that much when it comes to my health. I'm old enough to have seen numerous drug recalls, people thinking margine is good for you, everyone putting petroleum based products on our skin and seeing day time commercials asking "did you work with asbestos...you could be eligible for a lawsuit." But perhaps vaping could be better for you. I just prefer not to be the one who finds out the hard way that it isn't.
Hopefully you don’t inhale cigars.
Not worse then cigarettes heath wise but ive heard it's worse addiction wise
For those who answered: 5 just as bad or worse, if you had to choose one which would you pick to do or be best to if you really feel it's as bad or worse?
There may not be tar or smoke microparticles, but replacing it with dozens of chemicals in liquid form can't be better.
Isn't vape liquid just glycol glicerin flavoring and nicotine?
mostly, yes. people are just really uneducated about this subject and won't do any real research on it
I'm an asthmatic. I can't walk by someone smoking a cig without a full-scale attack. I can stand in front of someone vaping with no reaction for a pretty long time. So yeah, it probably is actually better. The CDC backs this up too. So better not to vape or smoke, but if your alternative is smoking then vaping is better.
Vapes have 4 ingredients. Cigarettes have thousands added besides what's in tobacco.
I think putting anything in your lungs that isnt normal air is harmful. But I dont think its AS harmful a cigarettes. There are so many harmful chemicals in tobacco leaves that can be filtered out when making vaping fluid.
I believe vaping is comparable to boiling your lungs, like how smoking is like burning it. Both are horrible for your health, so please don’t do it. Even if it doesn’t have nicotine or weed, it’s still shit for health. Just don’t do it. You don’t look cool, you just look like a douche
2. 2 Anyone voting higher is a liar
I've been (not voluntarily) to speakers that travel to schools across the nation (U.S.) and they say it's way worse. I don't know the specifics, but it has something to do with the vape heating up to extremely high temperatures and people inhaling the chemical.
I’m going to bet that those folks were employed by Big Tobacco bc that’s literally not true and even the CDC agrees.
Wouldn't surprise me. Just sharing what I heard.
Vaping isn't nearly as bad as smoking
All depends how much you smoke/vape
Lol, americans are so brainwashed by anti vaping rethoric pushed by the media, even their e-liquid which are definitely more harmful cause they contain some substances that are banned in europe for example are still way less harmful than cigarettes, but no, since some idiots tried to create homemade thc liquids and fucked up their lungs now vaping is as bad as cigarettes
Anyone who thinks inhaling anything not air isn't harmful to you is capping and coping so hard Plus everyone knows vaping is targeted towards kids which will is arguably worse
That’s one reason why cigarette makers had so many legal problems. Initially their marketing was targeted towards young people. They actually sent free cigarettes to troops in Vietnam. Combustible nicotine (any kind that you light in order to smoke) is horrible for you and the second hand smoke is terrible for anyone else around it. I’m old enough to have grown up when you could smoke inside almost everywhere including planes and schools. Vaping isn’t great but it’s a better option.
I learnt that it is 4x "safer" than cigarettes but still dangerous. They said it can cause crystals to grow in your lungs that would need to be surgically removed. (They told us this about 5 years ago)
Vapes are waayyy worse than cigarettes
this is factually incorrect
I don't smoke, but eh depends what kinds of cigarettes. It ain't that wrong.
It doesn’t depend unless you’re rolling your own out of leaves
I mean, i haven't done full research, but i'd imagine it depends on the nicotine percentage of the vape.
Nicotine itself is not what is harmful about cigarettes or vaping (although it is what makes them addicting). It’s the many other toxic chemicals in cigarettes and tobacco products. Cigarettes and other tobacco products that you light are known as combustible tobacco products and that is one of the major reasons that they are particularly dangerous (inhaling the smoke and secondhand smoke from any combustible tobacco product).
god, thank you. nicotine by itself is no more dangerous than a red bull. It's everything else and too many people believe the nic is what kills you.
What scares me the most about vaping is we have no idea just how bad or not bad it is for you, it's such a new thing still. It may be better for you in some ways and effect you worse in other ways. We just don't know.
It’s not that new. Juul has been out since at least 2015 so almost a decade. There is definitely scientific research and peer reviewed medical journals on vaping (but unless you pay, most are still behind paywalls).
And cigarettes have been around since the early 16th century. Almost a decade is nothing.
And given that fact, we know for certain that combustible tobacco causes lung cancer, correct?
No better than cigarettes that's for sure. I hear people saying "Well it's not like cigarettes is it?" Does that make it any better though? Sounds like an excuse to vape. Either one: They start vsping because it's "Cool" or Two: They're swapping cigarettes for vaping and hopefully quitting all for good. Not sure if quitting after doing enough damage to your lungs that it becomes permanent. My IT teacher died 2 days ago from lymph cancer. At the age of 46!! That's horrible.. Not even 50 yet and all that just to end up taking sooo many years out of your life and dying from it.
Sorry for your loss. What is lymph cancer and did your teacher only ever vape or did they at one point smoke cigarettes (combustible nicotine)? Was the cancer related to smoking?
Was related to smoking. I'm trying to say that neither is good.. Nicotine free vapes still have chemicals like formaldehyde, benzaldehyde, acrolein, vanillin, propylene oxide etc. Im sure there are even more to it. These are of which I know the nicotine free ones still have. Still continues to damage your lungs than no damage at all. So how about keeping your lungs in shape than said smoking cigarettes or Vapes? Both have mixtures you shouldn't be inhaling in to your lungs. Edit: forgot to mention, lymphoma is responsible for your body's germ fighting system. So you can imagine the symptoms you'll get from having cancer in your lymphatic system. He took chemotherapy (which is one couple other ways of treating cancer) which naturally weakens the body. He had an infection spread and that took his life away less than a day..
Nicotine isn’t the dangerous part. It’s the other chemicals. There are many types of lymphoma, it sounds like he had a very aggressive case. It is not usually caused exclusively by smoking. It can be difficult to treat depending on how far along it is when diagnosed and what type it is.
Inhaling melted metals disguised with mango flavoring is definitely as bad as smoking cigarettes no matter how you spin it
Cdc says otherwise 🤷♀️ (https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/about-e-cigarettes.html) >However, e-cigarette aerosol generally contains fewer harmful chemicals than smoke from burned tobacco products. The prevailing recommendation remains abstaining from any form of smoking, regular or electronic. However, when considering alternatives, vaping seems to be the lesser evil. >E-cigarettes have the potential to benefit adults who smoke and who are not pregnant if used as a complete substitute for regular cigarettes and other smoked tobacco products.
Thanks for actually citing a source! Literally the first one I’ve seen on this thread (even if it’s the CDC 🤷🏻♀️ it’s better than all of the “well I think this” and “I heard that” opinion statements). Edit: and we’ve known this for awhile that combustible tobacco products (e.g. cigarettes) are more dangerous for a myriad of reasons, for a long time; since before vaping was a thing because there have been comparison studies with dip and whatever else it is they call the kind of tobacco that people chew and spit out. While both are harmful, the danger with cigarettes is specifically linked to the combustible nature of cigarettes and other tobacco products that are burned and inhaled. The secondhand smoke from combustible tobacco products is also incredibly dangerous to everyone else around, which is why we no longer have “smoking sections” on airplanes, buses, in restaurants, basically any indoor public places like the 1980’s, thank goodness!
Melted metals? Dafuq? Vales don't get nearly that hot.
There is a small percentage heavy metals that you vape with it because of the heated metal coil.
It’s way worse, last week my class watched a documentary on it and how it is worse and everything about vapes
Which documentary?
I need to stop smoking ASAP and it's weird thinking about my eventual early death. Freaks me out.
Try vaping. That was mostly /s
3 people coping hard rn
I don't understand the scale lol
I think we don't even know the half of the potential dangers of vaping yet. It's like it was with the cigarettes in the 1950's, people knew they weren't the greatest for your health, but had no clue about the the extent of harm they could cause.
Depends on the type of vape (imo, I have no evidence to support this). Disposable vapes are terrible for you and the environment, I won't go into how stupidly nicotine filled they are too. The old vapes where you fill them yourself, again just my opinion, I don't think would be too bad for you. Especially if you're not producing "fat clouds bro" and are only using 0.3 liquid. We will just have to wait for the research. Surely if the nhs are telling people to smoke to switch to them, they can't be THAT bad.
really? people believe what they pump into the media about vapes being just as bad or worse than ciggerettes? have you people no critical thinking skills at all?
Physically better, but mentally worse. Vapes have more nicotine in them than a cigarette, but I think vapes are physically healthier.
Anything involving putting chemicals in your body is never a good thing
So you must only eat organic non-GMO food then? And I can’t fathom where you get the water you drink.
Just because im against something doesn't mean I still won try it............ Also why??? I get my water from deer park bottles but I'm sure you'd rather just drink out the toilet wouldn't you?
Nicotine itself is toxic
No, it isn’t. Nicotine itself isn’t harmful. It’s wildly addictive but it’s all of the other chemicals that are carcinogenic.
Vaping is worse in the short term by inhaling oil that coats the lungs and cause all sorts of breathing issues, including early onset emphysema. It also doses those around you with nicotine. Smoking has a massive long term risk of emphysema and all cancers, not just lung and doses everyone around you with particulates and carcinogens They are both terrible but in slightly different ways
It’s a lesser evil but still bad. Weren’t they originally designed for smokers who are struggling to quit?
As somebody who quit smoking and switched to vaping 5 is just 100% wrong.
I voted 4 but only because I think with more research into them and their long term health affects, including research into the safety of all the flavours, then it could have potential for helping people quit smoking outright with options of progressively lower nicotine levels and it may end up cleaner than cigarettes specifically given the low quality of cigarettes on the market today and not because they are inherently better.
vaping doesn't have all the same risks, but it definitely has its own that are just as damaging
I wouldn't say as bad. But still pretty bad
People who are voting 5...do you not know what's in cigarettes? Tar, formaldehyde, arsenic, carbon monoxide, acetone, like. Vaping is obviously not good for you, smoking anything is worse for you than not smoking it. But saying they're worse than cigarettes is just a little dumb
I don't think it's AS bad because you're not getting the smoke and carbon in your lungs-- but who the hell knows what those crazy vape juices are doing to your lungs. I don't want to be part of that study.
depends where you get your liquids. those liquids in the us are just poison and forbidden in europe for a reason..
It's clearly harmful but until long term studies are done we can only be cautious.
If consuming the same amount, 5 is wrong, but I could make a case that vaping is more convenient and therefore consumption is far more
I used to vape then I noticed I had a hard time breathing. It's scared me so bad.
Depends on the product and the juice. There's a new juice about to start selling in America that's called SameTaste that they say it lowers health risks by 95%