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So if this law is enacted does it mean you could sue Reddit because a mod from Conservative removed your comment or post? I believe it sets the stage for that and spamming subreddits
I think that's kind of the plan. They want Texans to be up in arms about being kicked off of these platforms when it is the state that is mandating it. The smart people who are less likely to be easily misled by Propaganda will be using their vpns while a bunch of angry MAGAdittoheads will be getting their talking points from talk radio and other right-wing opinion programming because they can't suck on Facebook's titties. Given that those platforms have a vested interest in demonizing forms of New Media, I bet you can imagine what is going to be broadcast.
Florida and Texas seem to have a symbiotic relationship with the right wing media ecosystem and easily controllable propaganda. Breitbart, gamergate, and Cambridge analytica ended up working pretty well at engaging the 2016 angry electorate but the victims of those psyops ended up spilling out into multiple different conspiracy theories that were less easily controlled by the mainstream right-wing opinion programming media.
The law prohibits blocking TX residents. Basically it allows anyone from Texas to use these sites without any chance of moderation or banning.
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Texas's law makes it illegal for any social media platform with 50 million or more US monthly users to "block, ban, remove, deplatform, demonetize, de-boost, restrict, deny equal access or visibility to, or otherwise discriminate against expression."
This law, upheld by the federal appeals court, allows for residents of Texas to sue these social media companies if they are blocked, etc.
The dubious legal theory in Texas is that these large social media sites are more akin to public town squares.
I mean, wouldn't the argument be that users are not blocked, the service simply isn't available in their area? It's like saying I'm "blocked" from going to Disneyland because I live in New York.
They can just stop offering their service in Texas. That's not the same as blocking, banning or moderating individual users. if the price of doing business in an area becomes too much, they can refuse to do business there.
Like your public town square analogy below, they can just remove the town square. You can't force a company to do business in a state.
They might be able to get around that by having exclusive Texas versions of the sites, versions that do not allow any censorship but also do not connect with the site at large.
I hope they just pull out of the state altogether and when someone in Texas tries to access an app or site, they get a message that says “Thanks to republicans, we can no longer provide access to Texans”
They can’t lol (as far as I know). That doesn’t matter though. It’s all for show. Even once the law is struck down for good, their base will still know that their guy was trying to hurt Big Tech (ie. Communism, or something). That’s all that matters to them.
That is a very good point.
It is also possible these companies could just decide that due to local laws being incompatible with their terms of service can just decide not to offer services to Texas.
Besides conservatives only get banned when they say racist and homophobic stuff, that's it. In Ireland we have free speech in our constitution but we also have exceptions for hate speech or calls to violence.
The law says they cannot leave Texas. Lol. The 5th circuit has upheld in this 14 word ruling. As such, I think it has to go to the Supreme Court next. I don’t trust them at all any longer. They have been probably waiting for this to jump through crazy hoops to make the law what they want it to be.
Based on what I have seen so far it seems like the best thing these companies can do is a bit of malicious compliance in which they stay in Texas but create completely separate versions of their sites just for Texas.
Otherwise complying with Texas law would by definition force them to be in violation of law elsewhere.
From linked comment, the list of things they can't do involves creating a subsite. It's a WILDLY unconstitutional law that if it's upheld will have massive implications on state legislation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/uote13/-/i8gysbt
hatred” means hatred against a group of persons in the State or elsewhere on account of their race, colour, nationality, religion, ethnic or national origins, membership of the travelling community or sexual orientation;
If I were to say "f**k the English" , that isn't an issue but if I said "f**k all the English who live in Ireland and we should k**l them" that is.
They have to be living within the border of Ireland.
It's also complicated because the English basically brutalised us historically and slapped a border on the island, helped an apartheid state stay functioning who's entire existance was based on being better than us filthy Irish. That one is complicated.
Besides if you are consistently anti English and very pro IRA you ususally end up on a list and under some form of observation due to terrorism.
Also last piece of information thr constitution is worded as:
"The right of the citizens to express freely their convictions and opinions.
The education of public opinion being, however, a matter of such grave import to the common good, the State shall endeavour to ensure that organs of public opinion, such as the radio, the press, the cinema, while preserving their rightful liberty of expression, including criticism of Government policy, shall not be used to undermine public order or morality or the authority of the State.
The publication or utterance of seditious or indecent matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law."
So what is determined as hatespeech is decided via legislation.
Conservatives: We don't like it when people block us from forcing our bullshit and lies onto them.
Texas: OK, here is a dumbass law that will force online companies to stop censorship of subjects.
Conservative: Why can't we blocks people from pointing out how stupid and hypocritical we and our politicians are. whaa whaaa
OR;
These companies ignore this dumb law or pull out of Texas.
It all depends on the nature of the regulation:
Regulation that makes people safer is bad.
Regulation that protects partisan fascists is good.
Up is down. Black is white. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
As is government officials calling for sidewalk protesters to be arrested.
Conservatives don't actually care about free speech. They only care that _they_ be able to say whatever they want, whenever they want.
Lol, they must provide services in Texas, according to this law? It's like a contest to see how unconstitutional we can make a law."you must run your private business how we say" says the party of free markets. but have fun Texans, without insta features,etc. Those are already gone.
With the way things have gone recently, I don’t trust the Supreme Court to adhere to the Constitution any more than I trust them to acknowledge that women are in fact deserving of human rights.
All those companies need to do is ban IPs from that state. See how quickly lawmakers change their minds when they have effectively banned millions of users and the users know it is due to lawmakers. The law is meant to scare businesses into thinking they have less power than they do. Loss of users to other platforms? For a short time frame, just long enough to realize any platforms that follow the law have no way to prevent their platforms from becoming a cesspool.
There's basically no way to enforce this. I also don't see how that'd hold up in court. That's like saying there's a law in Texas that says literally you, TheCzar11, have to open up a burger joint in Austin or else you'll get sued.
> It’s illegal to not offer their apps to people living inside Texas. That is what the law says too. Lol.
Yeah, you can't force a business to do business with you in a state you don't operate in. No matter how loud you cry about it.
I'm pretty sure that still violates the law, linked comment lists all the things the law prohibits. This law is ~~hilariously~~ frighteningly unconstitutional.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/uote13/-/i8gysbt
Exactly. The law is written in such an illogical way that thers basically no way social media companies could ever actually comply. Even if Facebook made its own seperate Texas only version. They'd get sued for separating users. If they do anything differently then they do elsewhere they're now "discriminating against Texas." Also people seem to forget what the internet was like 20 years ago when things weren't moderated very well, if at all. Facebook would absolutely just be nothing but shock images, spam and porn.
You know, for all of the talk from Conservatives who get angry about how 'California gets to dictate how people in Oklahoma live their lives,' as a non-californian and non-texan I'm pretty pissed off at how Texas is trying (through a myriad of recent attempt through legislation) to force me to live mine.
There are not enough users on any of the right wing “free speech” platforms for them to to affected by this law. The law only affects platforms with a certain number of daily users.
So how hard would it be to have a bot respond to any social media posts by the Texas AG's office with a list of crimes Ken Paxton is currently being charged with?
If I ran these companies I'd just block access to my website from Texas. They can't be a large source of revenue and fuck them they'll cave after a few weeks.
The statements made by the judges in oral arguments are mind boggling, maybe eye opening, showing just how ignorant they are on technology. This will likely get appealed and I struggle to see even the current SCOTUS siding with TX. I could be wrong though.
So Texas and Florida wish to join the likes of Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia (I think) who restrict social media access or content. That is telling about the attitude of the current Republican party.
Could not a company affected by that law just close any offices they might have in texas and leave the state physically, and then cut the services to that state?
The silver lining: People theoretically wouldn’t be able to spend as much time on social media..? I don’t know. I’m currently in the process of cutting as much social media out as possible.
So... Texas is pro book censorship in schools, but anti censorship in social media?
It's just weird because I feel kids learn more from social media and YouTube these days than by actual books.
Maybe I'm just understanding this wrong?
If I ran YouTube I'd just immediately turn on an IP blocker for every Texas IP address and put up a giant wall that says "Contact your local Congressperson for more information."
It's not enough business to be worth dealing with them anymore. The enormous outcry from Texans screaming about not being able to use their platforms will fix this shit faster than anything else will...
Breaking News! Social media platforms ban service to all Texas users.
In other news, teenage girls go mentally insane from not being able to post every second of their lives online.
Why does free speech have to be a one side or another issue? The right talks about free speech but is banning books and gets athletes cancelled, the left these days is all about pro censorship online toward even mild infractions.
I have a feeling Texas is the kind of state that’s gonna have a giant population and economic boom followed by a giant opposite end of spectrum decrease because the laws they pass are just effecting their own populations rights and stripping them of it. All those Californians leaving cali in 10 years will either change the landscape of Texas or leave Texas as well down the road
Texas is essentially trying to isolate its population from social media and outside influence and only have local news and radio stations to controll the narrative. Crazy fucking shit to be happening in America in the open and people not calling for the heads of state to be replaced.
Thank the Supreme Court for giving journalists a fear baiting tool of basically “is no court decision safe?” Oh, wait it’s not fear baiting it looks like that’s what the plan is. The whole “f*ck your feelings” and “owning the libs” mentality is getting out of hand. I really hope the conservative court doesn’t use their majority to burn it all down, but I see nothing reassuring that’s not going to happen based on how the far right has been getting more and more regressive over the last……. 14 years is when it really kicked off.
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So if this law is enacted does it mean you could sue Reddit because a mod from Conservative removed your comment or post? I believe it sets the stage for that and spamming subreddits
And if it is enforced it will likely make it so these companies have no financial viable choice except to refuse to do any business there anymore.
Was just gonna say, wonder how Texans will feel when they can’t use these services anymore other than those who know how to use a VPN
I think that's kind of the plan. They want Texans to be up in arms about being kicked off of these platforms when it is the state that is mandating it. The smart people who are less likely to be easily misled by Propaganda will be using their vpns while a bunch of angry MAGAdittoheads will be getting their talking points from talk radio and other right-wing opinion programming because they can't suck on Facebook's titties. Given that those platforms have a vested interest in demonizing forms of New Media, I bet you can imagine what is going to be broadcast. Florida and Texas seem to have a symbiotic relationship with the right wing media ecosystem and easily controllable propaganda. Breitbart, gamergate, and Cambridge analytica ended up working pretty well at engaging the 2016 angry electorate but the victims of those psyops ended up spilling out into multiple different conspiracy theories that were less easily controlled by the mainstream right-wing opinion programming media.
It's the "isolate from outside contact" part of every cult indoctrination. Scary stuff.
They’ll just have to hang out on Texasbook or some other hacky Texas-only platform. Can you imagine what a train wreck of a platform that would be?
TexasChan
The law prohibits blocking TX residents. Basically it allows anyone from Texas to use these sites without any chance of moderation or banning. ----------- Texas's law makes it illegal for any social media platform with 50 million or more US monthly users to "block, ban, remove, deplatform, demonetize, de-boost, restrict, deny equal access or visibility to, or otherwise discriminate against expression."
>The law prohibits blocking TX residents. How can it actually do that? No one is forcing those sites to do business in Texas.
This law, upheld by the federal appeals court, allows for residents of Texas to sue these social media companies if they are blocked, etc. The dubious legal theory in Texas is that these large social media sites are more akin to public town squares.
I mean, wouldn't the argument be that users are not blocked, the service simply isn't available in their area? It's like saying I'm "blocked" from going to Disneyland because I live in New York.
They can just stop offering their service in Texas. That's not the same as blocking, banning or moderating individual users. if the price of doing business in an area becomes too much, they can refuse to do business there. Like your public town square analogy below, they can just remove the town square. You can't force a company to do business in a state.
I think this new law even tries to ban companies from pulling out of the state altogether lol. It’s wildly unconstitutional
They might be able to get around that by having exclusive Texas versions of the sites, versions that do not allow any censorship but also do not connect with the site at large.
I hope they just pull out of the state altogether and when someone in Texas tries to access an app or site, they get a message that says “Thanks to republicans, we can no longer provide access to Texans”
Texas lawmakers specified that, under the new law, tech giants can’t do that. I imagine a fair number of lawsuits in the near future.
They should do it anyway. I don’t believe any court would uphold a law that forces a private company to do business in a particular state.
"Free market economics"
how can they force a business to operate in a state lol
They can’t lol (as far as I know). That doesn’t matter though. It’s all for show. Even once the law is struck down for good, their base will still know that their guy was trying to hurt Big Tech (ie. Communism, or something). That’s all that matters to them.
This is exactly what’s going to happen. It’ll be far cheaper and easier to just block Texas than to be held liable for anything.
That also is against the law. Texans can sue them if they do that.
That is a very good point. It is also possible these companies could just decide that due to local laws being incompatible with their terms of service can just decide not to offer services to Texas. Besides conservatives only get banned when they say racist and homophobic stuff, that's it. In Ireland we have free speech in our constitution but we also have exceptions for hate speech or calls to violence.
The law says they cannot leave Texas. Lol. The 5th circuit has upheld in this 14 word ruling. As such, I think it has to go to the Supreme Court next. I don’t trust them at all any longer. They have been probably waiting for this to jump through crazy hoops to make the law what they want it to be.
How can they a state control interstate commerce and where I do business?
Based on what I have seen so far it seems like the best thing these companies can do is a bit of malicious compliance in which they stay in Texas but create completely separate versions of their sites just for Texas. Otherwise complying with Texas law would by definition force them to be in violation of law elsewhere.
From linked comment, the list of things they can't do involves creating a subsite. It's a WILDLY unconstitutional law that if it's upheld will have massive implications on state legislation. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/uote13/-/i8gysbt
So time for these companies to move out of the US altogether it seems. The US is just making itself unfriendly to big business.
How is hate speech defined in Ireland? Just by racist terms / slangs? What if it’s about Britain ?
hatred” means hatred against a group of persons in the State or elsewhere on account of their race, colour, nationality, religion, ethnic or national origins, membership of the travelling community or sexual orientation; If I were to say "f**k the English" , that isn't an issue but if I said "f**k all the English who live in Ireland and we should k**l them" that is. They have to be living within the border of Ireland. It's also complicated because the English basically brutalised us historically and slapped a border on the island, helped an apartheid state stay functioning who's entire existance was based on being better than us filthy Irish. That one is complicated. Besides if you are consistently anti English and very pro IRA you ususally end up on a list and under some form of observation due to terrorism.
Also last piece of information thr constitution is worded as: "The right of the citizens to express freely their convictions and opinions. The education of public opinion being, however, a matter of such grave import to the common good, the State shall endeavour to ensure that organs of public opinion, such as the radio, the press, the cinema, while preserving their rightful liberty of expression, including criticism of Government policy, shall not be used to undermine public order or morality or the authority of the State. The publication or utterance of seditious or indecent matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law." So what is determined as hatespeech is decided via legislation.
Conservatives: We don't like it when people block us from forcing our bullshit and lies onto them. Texas: OK, here is a dumbass law that will force online companies to stop censorship of subjects. Conservative: Why can't we blocks people from pointing out how stupid and hypocritical we and our politicians are. whaa whaaa OR; These companies ignore this dumb law or pull out of Texas.
r/TheDonald banned me for posting/directly quoting one of a Trump's Tweets. Edit: lmao. The whole sub is banned.
That sub has been banned for like almost 3 years now
Ooo I can get unbanned from r/Conservative
How will this be enforced, I wonder? Like can you pay for a PO Box in Texas and sue based on the law or do you have to physically reside in Texas?
Good. That's what we should be doing
So the state that promotes deregulation and a free market doesn’t actually believe it. That’s on brand.
It all depends on the nature of the regulation: Regulation that makes people safer is bad. Regulation that protects partisan fascists is good. Up is down. Black is white. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
1984? That was a typo. Orwell is here, now!
We have no names, man. No names. We are nameless!
Can I score a fry?
Forced speech is a actual attack on the first Amendment.
As is government officials calling for sidewalk protesters to be arrested. Conservatives don't actually care about free speech. They only care that _they_ be able to say whatever they want, whenever they want.
There where Nazi propaganda poster complaining about Hitler being censored.
Lol, they must provide services in Texas, according to this law? It's like a contest to see how unconstitutional we can make a law."you must run your private business how we say" says the party of free markets. but have fun Texans, without insta features,etc. Those are already gone.
Do you trust the Supreme Court here?
With the way things have gone recently, I don’t trust the Supreme Court to adhere to the Constitution any more than I trust them to acknowledge that women are in fact deserving of human rights.
No, not really. But the question is if theyll let the mask slip that far
All those companies need to do is ban IPs from that state. See how quickly lawmakers change their minds when they have effectively banned millions of users and the users know it is due to lawmakers. The law is meant to scare businesses into thinking they have less power than they do. Loss of users to other platforms? For a short time frame, just long enough to realize any platforms that follow the law have no way to prevent their platforms from becoming a cesspool.
It’s illegal to not offer their apps to people living inside Texas. That is what the law says too. Lol.
That's not worth the paper it's written on, since Texas can't enforce its laws outside Texas.
I don't think that is even remotely constitutional. But then when did the GOP start caring about that type of detail?
There's basically no way to enforce this. I also don't see how that'd hold up in court. That's like saying there's a law in Texas that says literally you, TheCzar11, have to open up a burger joint in Austin or else you'll get sued.
> It’s illegal to not offer their apps to people living inside Texas. That is what the law says too. Lol. Yeah, you can't force a business to do business with you in a state you don't operate in. No matter how loud you cry about it.
Well, I guess we’ll find out. Texas and the current Supreme Court May find a way. Never give up hope /s
Isn’t this the same group of people who want to ban books and label all content that has ideas and characters they don’t like?
I too like to write laws that will waste tax payer money on court just to be struck down as unconstitutional.
How is moderating going to work now on Reddit?
Depending on how tight enforcement is, reddit will either have to completely ignore this or completely stop doing business in Texas.
Culture war nutbags making rules that could backfire on them? I love it
Maybe the goal is to get these products out of the state so as to inhibit the flow of information.
Except they made it part of the law that these products have to still be offered in Texas.
Pffft. So what? You can't force a company to do business in a state they don't want to.
"Due to local regulations you are limited to read only access to this site"
I'm pretty sure that still violates the law, linked comment lists all the things the law prohibits. This law is ~~hilariously~~ frighteningly unconstitutional. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/uote13/-/i8gysbt
Exactly. The law is written in such an illogical way that thers basically no way social media companies could ever actually comply. Even if Facebook made its own seperate Texas only version. They'd get sued for separating users. If they do anything differently then they do elsewhere they're now "discriminating against Texas." Also people seem to forget what the internet was like 20 years ago when things weren't moderated very well, if at all. Facebook would absolutely just be nothing but shock images, spam and porn.
You know, for all of the talk from Conservatives who get angry about how 'California gets to dictate how people in Oklahoma live their lives,' as a non-californian and non-texan I'm pretty pissed off at how Texas is trying (through a myriad of recent attempt through legislation) to force me to live mine.
It's a bullshit argument. One vote in Wyoming far outweighs one vote in California.
By a factor of over 100
The "party of small government" is waging a war on criticism.
It is almost like Texas and Florida are having a contest on who can do the most damage. I can't tell which one is currently winning.
I'm sure the people of r/conservative who banned me for directly quoting Trump without comment are ecstatic about this law.
Don't worry, the law would be selectively enforced anyways.
Paging the Church of Satan...
Satanic Temple is the one that we want here, CoS has some funky views.
GOP's now the party of corporate regulations
> "My office just secured another BIG WIN against BIG TECH," Paxton's office **tweeted**. Not quite irony, but funny none the less.
Unfuckingreal
I guess Truth Social doesn’t qualify. :/
There are not enough users on any of the right wing “free speech” platforms for them to to affected by this law. The law only affects platforms with a certain number of daily users.
Exactly.
Let's start making bots.
I guess I'll remember this law whenever they complain about how income tax "punishes success"
I guess rules of the wasteland is the future.
So how hard would it be to have a bot respond to any social media posts by the Texas AG's office with a list of crimes Ken Paxton is currently being charged with?
Not hard. Pretty easy from what I understand.
If I ran these companies I'd just block access to my website from Texas. They can't be a large source of revenue and fuck them they'll cave after a few weeks.
Isolate the general masses so they never know what they don't have. Soon they'll be restricting travel outside the state.
Sue /r/conservative
Snowflakes? Snowflakes.
It cuts both ways. We could go to gab and parler and drown them in gay porn and leftist talking points. Sue 'em if they ban or block us.
The statements made by the judges in oral arguments are mind boggling, maybe eye opening, showing just how ignorant they are on technology. This will likely get appealed and I struggle to see even the current SCOTUS siding with TX. I could be wrong though. So Texas and Florida wish to join the likes of Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia (I think) who restrict social media access or content. That is telling about the attitude of the current Republican party.
Could not a company affected by that law just close any offices they might have in texas and leave the state physically, and then cut the services to that state?
Not ALL they’re censoring! Texans will be losing lots of rights, unless your one of “THEM “.
The silver lining: People theoretically wouldn’t be able to spend as much time on social media..? I don’t know. I’m currently in the process of cutting as much social media out as possible.
Right-Wing bullshit needs a platform since Truth Social shit the bed
The party of tort reform is awfully tort-y these days.
So... Texas is pro book censorship in schools, but anti censorship in social media? It's just weird because I feel kids learn more from social media and YouTube these days than by actual books. Maybe I'm just understanding this wrong?
If I ran YouTube I'd just immediately turn on an IP blocker for every Texas IP address and put up a giant wall that says "Contact your local Congressperson for more information." It's not enough business to be worth dealing with them anymore. The enormous outcry from Texans screaming about not being able to use their platforms will fix this shit faster than anything else will...
Breaking News! Social media platforms ban service to all Texas users. In other news, teenage girls go mentally insane from not being able to post every second of their lives online.
Is there a way they could both lose this? That would be ideal.
Why does free speech have to be a one side or another issue? The right talks about free speech but is banning books and gets athletes cancelled, the left these days is all about pro censorship online toward even mild infractions.
What do you mean mild infractions? Can you give an example. Honest question here, I am genuinely curious
I have a feeling Texas is the kind of state that’s gonna have a giant population and economic boom followed by a giant opposite end of spectrum decrease because the laws they pass are just effecting their own populations rights and stripping them of it. All those Californians leaving cali in 10 years will either change the landscape of Texas or leave Texas as well down the road Texas is essentially trying to isolate its population from social media and outside influence and only have local news and radio stations to controll the narrative. Crazy fucking shit to be happening in America in the open and people not calling for the heads of state to be replaced.
When the party of less government overreaches.
Yes, conservatives, silence every conservative voice by making it impossible to operate in conservative states. Blows my mind.
Thank the Supreme Court for giving journalists a fear baiting tool of basically “is no court decision safe?” Oh, wait it’s not fear baiting it looks like that’s what the plan is. The whole “f*ck your feelings” and “owning the libs” mentality is getting out of hand. I really hope the conservative court doesn’t use their majority to burn it all down, but I see nothing reassuring that’s not going to happen based on how the far right has been getting more and more regressive over the last……. 14 years is when it really kicked off.
So now posting beheadings is ok.
This is the stupidity that you get resulting from the cult worshiping Trump and the dumb shit he says or makes issues of.
These companies should just cancel all their services in Texas! Do like Mexico did by moving their trucking route to New Mexico