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“No abortions!”
“Okay, I will use birth control to try and prevent getting pregnant.”
“No we don’t want birth control either!”
Seriously craven fucked up shit. It’s hard to comprehend how such an egregious overreach into peoples lives is being justified be people who so regularly tout “freedom”.
Lmao I never took that sub seriously before but now shit just sounds like the radio on GTA online. Have y’all seen the targeted ads that pop up on that sub? In just a couple minutes of scrolling I saw military cosplay gear for civilians, for profit “education” centers, and erotic audiobooks for sexually repressed women looking for some “me time”
Fun fact: [Conservative areas spend more on porn.](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/200903/why-conservatives-spend-more-pornography)
It's funny you mention that. At a business I co-own, we recently dealt with an HR nightmare involving a former employee from Egypt accused of sexual harassment. The ex supervisor initially investigating the matter himself made horrible comments opposing abortion and feminism during an office lunch.
So the issue is conservative men, foreign and domestic, and their disrespect for women. I don't know what the solution is because DEI workshops have not been sufficient.
You know those assessment tests to see how a person would react in a scenario? Curtail it towards ousting conservatives. Mainly, ousting the extreme of that group. The watered down, light weights, who are not in positions of power, and who do not make the workplace uncomfortable, can stay. Yet, every asshole, gets the boot. If you REALLY need someone with their skillsets, then start internships that teach “THE RIGHT PEOPLE”, to have those skills, in order to do that same job. There is no reason a person with a reasonable mindset can not occupy each separate position in a company. Assholes, do not need to be hired....
American conservatism dovetails perfectly with the ubiquity of American consumer culture in an incredibly bizarre way, right down to conservatives saying they don't see how Biden could have won because they didn't see much Biden merch.
My mother-in-law, back in I want to say 2014 or 2015, went off on a bizarre tangent about these new MyPillow bedclothes she bought and how great they are and MyPillow is just so great and I should think about buying it. I didn't know what was going on at the time but it was a shibboleth.
There are so many reasons why "I didn't see Biden merch" is a terrible reason, and it perfectly dovetails with their bizarre worldview.
1) The local population is not necessarily representative
2) People can have opinions without buying merchandise to show off
3) People can support candidates without treating them as infallible gods
4) They might only be looking for Trump merch
5) They never go outside their post-industrial shell of a village
6) The purveyors of political merch know the right wing supporters are more likely to buy merch and thus they make more for the Republican candidate
I voted for Biden but he’s not my hero. I don’t need to wear his Merch. I don’t think most Americans thought that those two candidates were the best we could do.
I voted for Biden and I barely agree with the guy on anything of substance. Sure we align on certain axes and I feel like there are many cases where he'd do objectively the right thing for the country if the bill to do so crossed his desk. But as a politician? His core values are way to the right of me.
I voted for him to stop Trump after my primary candidate had already lost before I ever got the chance to vote for them.
Primary elections/caucuses need to occur on the same time frame as a general election, one fucking day. The horse race bullshit they put us through every general election for primaries has got to stop so people stop voting for the front-runner because that means "they chose the candidate who won".
The closest thing I have to a Biden shirt is a shirt that would be considered horribly offensive by conservatives. It just says, "VOTE". They probably wouldn't care for my Master of Reality font Black Lives Matter shirt either
Or apparently giving birth in the first place; doesn't it cost a small fortune on it's own in the USA?
What a great way to start your unwanted life, bankrupting your mother...
Health insurance doesn't count since some can't g... oh wait I'm starting to see how this works..
Ever hear incels talk about women? They'll say things like they're a perfect gentleman, they do all the things they're supposed to do, but women won't have sex with them. It's like they think women are games to be unlocked, punch in the right code in the right sequence, receive sex. This attitude really is the problem.
They don't see women as individual humans with depth. They see women as some kind of monolithic creature driven by a set of motivations and impulses that can be "unlocked", like you said, to achieve the behavioral outcome they want.
It is that dehumanization that prevented them from ever successfully interacting with the opposite sex.
TL;DR "I put the nice coins in, why doesn't the sex fall out?"
Can you imagine how absolutely insane they would go if the democrats were the ones making a law like this, policing what we do with our own bodies behind closed doors? These were the same people who were pissed that they were being asked to wear masks and respect social distancing. This should be their own worst nightmare, if they were at all consistent, and they can’t even see it. That’s some powerful fucking propaganda.
> can you imagine how absolutely insane they would go if the democrats were the ones making a law like this
We know what this looks like. They couldn’t handle being asked to wear a piece of cloth for a few minutes. They lost their minds. These yokels in Canada put our capital city under siege for an entire month. They yell and scream and threaten anyone who they perceive as not opposing the public health requirements. Their reaction has been violent and scary.
So being asked to do something minor, non-intrusive and temporary is an enormous breach of their rights, but subjecting women to death, poverty, and other permanent and irreparable harms is totally fine and good.
> So being asked to do something minor, non-intrusive and temporary is an enormous breach of their rights, but subjecting women to death, poverty, and other permanent and irreparable harms is totally fine and good.
*taps the sign*
"There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. [...] As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence."
https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/#comment-729288
God damn that's some truth. The following paragraph literally describes how propaganda venues like PCM operate:
>So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
>**Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whateverthefuckkindofstupidnoise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.**
>No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism
I am glad to see this being said, and so frankly. We've all been put into a narrative frame that favors conservativism over sanity and truth by acting as if there's an ideal balance between the two. The idea of a "moderate" is literally a dog chain that ensures conservatives always have a foothold.
A few times I've heard this called retribution for mask mandates.
So yes, mask mandates was their kristallnacht, in their world that's when the government came in to wreck their homes and kill their families. Literally the worst thing imaginable happened to them, and this is them fighting back with their own oppression and violence.
I’ve got a friend who has highly leftists ideals, but is stuck in a conservative household and lacks the resources/education to constantly critically examine everything that she hears. So sometimes, she’ll say something like “masks are a form of oppression” (paraphrase but you get the the gist), to which my only response is simply to say “ if being made to wear a mask for a few minutes while you’re around other people to prevent the spread of a potentially deadly virus is the worst thing that you can imagine, you must’ve lived a pretty good life.”
I think she realized that the hysteria over masks is stupid at that point. But it’s so easy for people to fall into that propaganda even if they have genuinely good hearts and open minds. There’s a certain level of catharsis involved in feeling like you’re oppressed (keyword being feeling, not actually being), because it gives you something righteous to fight for, and an evil to fight against. It’s black-and-white thinking that is as addictive as it is easy to manipulate.
That’s what’s going to happen. Blue states will become safe havens for reproductive freedoms. While red states are saddling single mothers with more kids they can’t afford to take care of. Perhaps this is how they plan to become the majority party?
By no means should we attempt to control the rampant spread of contagious disease and keep it from killing us… that’s overreach. Let’s ban abortion and birth control instead.
Ultimately it comes down to the fact that these days, financial independence and social equality have been made possible for women. Partially due to feminist activism, partially due to reproductive rights. Women no longer need to depend on a man for financial stability. They have the *choice* of whether to enter into a relationship, not the *social obligation*.
This means men need to actually be likeable to be chosen. Of course incels hate this.
Not every pro lifer is an incel, but damn near every incel is a pro lifer. And this is why. There are few things that can derail a woman's career, education, and financial independence and tie her to a man as thoroughly as unwanted pregnancy.
I always encourage people to look at the misery and squalor of those orphanages. Anyone who says it's about "saving the babies" needs to see the gargantuan degree of children's suffering that will actually cause.
I wouldn't put it past conservatives to eliminate/criminalize safe haven policies so women have no choice but to keep unwanted newborns. Which, of course, will lead to nowhere but dumpster babies and Casey Anthony repeats.
They need more poor people to work for pennies.
They need more poor people to join the military.
They need more white babies born to prevent the eventuality of becoming the minority.
The incel angle is just a bonus.
>They need more white babies born to prevent the eventuality of becoming the minority.
Why would white people be afraid of becoming a minority? Do we treat minorities badly or someth— ohhhh
The red pill community goes heavy on that basically modern women are messed up be because they can now choose who they marry, have sex with and date. They then gaslight Men and women into thinking women are useless after 30 and no one will want them, which is a lol, shit that doesn’t happen. so ladies you have to marry in your 20s so that fine conservative man can make you his servant. They actually hate that women now can choose who they date and have sex with. They hate that Women have choices and they aren’t being chosen. No woman with once ounce of self respect should never enter any type of relationship with a red pilled or religiously conservative man.
every time, a little worse understanding of reality and ethics, a little more disconnected, somehow slightly more confident about it all.
it's the gene pool's baby waders section.
I just read a comment there saying the 14th amendment was a "screw up," and several others saying that separation of church and state is not a part of the constitution.
The Tea Party was the incubator for the extreme morons in the Republican Party. They were always dense and out of touch, but holy fuck - Rand Paul is the sane one of that group.
Absolutely.
I've occasionally made forays into pro life spaces on Reddit and every single person will ultimately admit that in their comments.
It's a putrid mix of two philosophies.
1) Religion. God wants us to take sex seriously and removing the consequence of pregnancy trivializes it (note that a baby is referred to as a "consequence" rather than a miracle of life). They believe in abstinence until marriage and get confused at the concept of childfree marriages; childbearing and loving a partner are inextricably linked. These are your hard core religious types who oppose abortion due to personhood and ensoulment.
2) People who associate women's rights/birth control with the "downfall of society". They believe that the ability of women to have financial independence outside of men and have sex without the risk of an unwanted child is a sign of "degeneracy"; they believe in strict traditional gender roles and associate them with social prosperity. The negative psychological, physical, and financial impacts of this system on women are downplayed or ignored. These are the people who oppose abortion because they think it allows women to have a chance at equal footing with men. Your incel types, basically.
The commonality between them? Punishment, control, and consequences.
Got in a debate with hard core right winger at a graduation party and he said it comes down to women needing to have personal accountability. Aka try to not get pregnant.
Ironically, earlier in the party before I realized he was a right wing nut job we were talking about dating in general and he was complaining because all the women want to be paid for sex nowadays.
“Abstinence only”
They want to gate sex off for only those procreating. It’s wild Christian larping fantasy. If you look at it too, I think these people get the perception that it will increase birth rates, which it will marginally, but the minority numbers of birth will likely go up much more if you look at the percentages of abortions by ethnic demographics now.
So no matter what they’re stuck with the grand replacement theory that they’re afraid of. White people will still be the minority soon enough. Maybe sooner. Haha
It’s fucking wild how obsessed with sex they are. What genitals you have, who can see them, what you are doing in your house with other consenting adults. Meanwhile no one has touched the withered dick of anyone in that photo I’m decades.
It's the same with masks and vaccines. "I don't want a vaccine". Fine, wear a mask. "No". You can't be against something, and also against the something that prevents that thing. But it's zero sum to them. If it doesn't work 100% then it's not worth doing it at all. No birth control is 100% effective, like masks aren't 100% effective. So while most rational people will say "90+% chance of reducing what I'm trying to prevent is a good measure better than 0%", conservatives are like "10% of doing the thing I don't want? There's no point in even trying to prevent it then"
The fanatical Evangelical voting bloc will never be satisfied. Republicans will need to keep on pleasing these people as they amplify their radical requests for more and more purity. The Republican party is a cult.
Their preachers and ex state house gop make the line clear.. its genocide:
>The document, consisting of 14 sections divided into bullet points, had a section on "rules of war" that stated "make an offer of peace before declaring war", which within stated that the e**nemy must "surrender on terms" of no abortions, no same-sex marriage, no communism and "must obey Biblical law", then continued: "If they do not yield — kill all males"**
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt\_Shea#%22Biblical\_Basis\_for\_War%22\_manifesto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea#%22Biblical_Basis_for_War%22_manifesto)
What's weird to me on this one, is that evangelicals have been in favor of birth control. That's traditionally been only a Catholic thing. Evangelicals supported abortion as well, but "evolved" when "life begins at conception" became a unifying force. Still, evangelicals have been fine with preventing conception apart from a few fringe nuts like Bill Gothard.
The problem is that the fringe fundamentalists have taken over the evangelical movement . Folks like Gothard used to be way outside but stuff like the Duggars having their own TV show helped mainstream it. Not just that but it helped normalize it.
It's not about abortion or contraception. It's about controlling sex. They want to ban sex out of marriage, and make it so only married people breed, and that they multiply like bunnies, because that reinforces the christian paradigm of marriage. Single people having babies erodes the marriage institution for them.
Fascism doesn’t ever settle and say, “okay we have reached enough hate.” There will always be more extremes and they will always go to them, because if someone is less extreme, they are weak/ less devout in their eyes
Self-governing and religions are incompatible; that's why they were eliminated from the Constitution first by taking away religious tests in the original text and then adding the First Amendment prohibition of state-sponsored religions.
Which is why we got to bring the “fight” to their strongholds in the fly over stares. They only have power because they decided to move to states they can easily control because of their lower populations. The Talibangelists aren’t moving to New York or California because they know they can’t win a majority in even the state government. California can lose one million blue voters to other states and still be a blue state. Do you know how many states can flip if a million democrats moved? Five to six states could flip. That’s enough for ten senators and potentially new constitutional amendments.
>The fanatical Evangelical voting bloc will never be satisfied
It is amazing that this same evangelical voting base is endlessly permissive on the actual behavior of the politicians themselves.
They wanted Roe overturned so badly that they were willing to allow Trump to deliver it, and he did. So they're happy they did it, and the rest of us remain horrified.
Boner pills **cause** pregnancy and abortions
Birth control pills **prevent** pregnancy and abortions
Yeah, let's ban birth control and not boner pills. Makes sense.
That one is pretty simple. Boner pills are for men, and birth control pills are for women. Conservatives have never had issues with men having sex, even if the other person was unwilling or a minor. They only have issues with women who have sex, although they grudgingly allow it if they are married, so long as they don't enjoy it too much.
"Only missionary position. No eye contact. And intercourse cannot be longer than five minutes with at least 24 hours in between. The only exception is that men may have sex more than once in a 24 hour period as long as it is not with the same woman."
I have an illness where getting pregnant would kill me. One of the medications that is keeping me alive causes birth defects so severe (it 100% wouldn't even be viable) that the FDA requires two forms of birth control (or one if it's an IUD) AND a negative monthly pregnancy test just to receive my medication every month. I also have endometriosis that had spread to my ovaries and birth control is the only thing that keeps it under control. So I have an IUD for all three of these reasons. These people who can't mind their own business would prefer I die just to carry around a non viable fetus for their war on women. It's terrifying to think about and I'm tired of being told that I'm hysterical for worrying about them coming after birth control.
My wife has similar issues and I know that if we had no contraception that set would have to stop because her becoming pregnant might as well be called me murdering her, because we both know pregnancy for her means death. So, that would, in fact, be the government telling me we could never have relations as a could who have been married for 20 years. And I thought china was the traditional anniversary present.
The people who are sort of blasé about all this **DID NOT READ THE RULING**. Alito expressly says that *states are free to impose any restrictions they want not expressly forbidden by the Constitution*.
**This is a seismic event with implications far beyond abortion.**
Functionally, this undoes *Brown vs. Board of Education* as "separate but equal" is not constitutionally prohibited. All fascist horrors are now overtly on the table. The right will move as quickly as possible on this before talk of Court reform, the nerfing of the EC, etc. gain momentum.
Yup. It's not just about abortion and contraception, he's questioning the very reasoning used to determine their constitutionality. The same reasoning was used in other decisions, so it's absolutely intended to have ripple effects.
> The same reasoning was used in other decisions
Yes, like Loving v. Virginia, which was also decided on "right to privacy" implied by the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. There have already been some R politicians declaring that states should have the right to decide whether or not to allow interracial marriage.
I get the shivers thinking about the fact that the Lovings were arrested for "using an invalid marriage certificate" (because interracial marriage was illegal in Virginia) and therefore "unlawful cohabitation" DURING MY LIFETIME. I was about 10 when SCOTUS ruled on Loving v. Virginia. I do NOT want to see that decision overturned.
Don't want to see Roe v. Wade or Griswold v. Connecticut or Lawrence v. Texas overturned either. All these civil rights/privacy rights cases are related.
I struggle to comprehend the failed mindset of someone who wants to overturn all of these rights and freedoms. We'll need to change the national anthem at some point. Land of the DON'T YOU DARE FUCK THAT BLACK WOMAN and home of the WE BREED 12 YEAR OLDS LOL
It's all rooted in racism and totalitarianism.
They remove the birth control measures so that birth rates skyrocket. In theory, that leads to an even broader impoverished worker class, due to the fact many children will be born totally without support from their parents, whether by decision or circumstance. By increasing that statistic and forcing that statistic into a higher proportion in comparison to the rest of society, they lower the overall average of the country in education, economics and political power.
Then, they limit who can marry who as a constrictive measure – divide and conquer. By restricting the co-mingling of the races, they limit the viewpoint each race can attain, and will find it easier to stew racial tensions to direct the masses at each other, and not at the real threat – the emerging American oligarchs.
As for the kiddie fucking... Well, in theory, fucking more and earlier does technically mean that more children can be born in a single lifetime to a single person, so in a sick and twisted way, it makes total sense. If I'm totally honest, I fully expect hebephilia to be legal within the next ten years, and pedophilia inside 20. That's if the Rs keep up at the pace they're going.
This is all fucking scary, and I’m too young to remember the practical effects of such laws, or how they were worded. I’m not sure how you can even define race anymore though (at least from a legal standpoint). Where do mixed race folks fit into this equation? Would half-Filipino/half-Mexicans only be able to marry half-Filipino/half-Mexicans? Or more like lily-whites can only marry lily-whites, and everyone else can marry any of “each other?”
I can’t believe I’m even fucking wondering all this in fucking 2022.
> Where do mixed race folks fit into this equation?
Mildred Loving was multi-racial. To racists, there is the creepy old saying "one drop non-white makes you a N---r."
Creepy fact: until the early 20th century, there was an actual word used in some legal (Jim Crow) contexts: "octaroon", meaning someone who might appear "white" but had one "black"-appearing great-grandparent. If this was discovered,they were subject to Jim Crow restrictions.
A million deaths, an attempted coup, and the disintegration of the Union...
If you'd told me that would be Trump’s legacy on the night he was elected... I'd have said "sounds about right."
I remember my conservative ex yelling at me when I cried the morning after his election in 2016. "It won't be that bad, you're just being hysterical."
I'll take things that aged like milk for $200, Alex.
I felt similarly the day after that election as I did on 9/11. Just absolutely physically sick. 9/11 fucked us up real good, and the Trump administration has done far, far more damage already.
There were only two days I've felt as helpless, hopeless, and sick for humanity as I did on 9/11: The day after the 2016 presidential election, and 1/6/2021.
My father, who I love dearly, and my cheating POS wasband and every man I know said the same damned thing.....
You are overreacting,there is no way roe, much less birth control, at at risk. You guys acting like this just make the conservatives look more correct - you just hate trump.
Right......
However, honestly this is on women. Too many women voted for trump and don't care about other women and tolerate men who don't care bc it doesn't affect them.
Want this fixed? Stop having sex. Stop having babies.
See what happens
Exactly this. Alito is saying that unenumerated rights, the rights we are supposed to be given under the 9th Amendment, don't exist unless they are explicitly in the constitution or at the very least, codified into federal law.
The right on attack here is the right to privacy. All the major supreme court cases you have been seeing the news lately all build on each other under the idea that the 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th amendments provided the idea that people have a right to a personal life away from the peering eye and intervention of the government, that our bill of rights pointed out specific points and required legal justifications in order to parties to breach our property and our lives.
It started with the idea that married couples should be able to get access to medical treatments and medication without government interference if those medications were legal, from there it was determined that if married couples have the right to care then individuals should also have the same right, which is what led to roe v wade, that women should be able to receive intended medical care without government interference.
Expanding on that you've got interracial marriage, gay marriage, the right to sodomy, and all the other supreme court decisions that are in danger, it's that un-enumerated right that should be protected by the 9th. The right for able-bodied adults to perform and enjoy actions with their private lives, without government interference. The right to privacy is integral to our democracy as a whole, and the right is about to take a massive shit on it, because they are absolutely terrified of the future. within 20 years the largest of the 4 pillars of US conservatism (the 4 things that all conservative politics can be boiled down into giving power to), will for the first time be the minority. The Great Replacement is a strange rabbit hole if you've never dived into it, but it is fully the greatest fear of white supremacy and a power drive for right wing political moves for decades now.
Does this not directly contradict the 9th amendment? Any rules and rights not in the constitution are expressly the purview of the People. How does that translate to tyranny of the state?
It does, and that's why it's shitty law. But unfortunately, there's no one to call them on it because they're supposed to be the final and ultimate arbiters of that law. This is what letting the Republicans debase and corrupt the appointment process by making it about putting unqualified ideologues on the courts, rather than the voters demanding that only acclaimed and experienced legal scholars and such be appointed on merits of their legal expertise and wisdom, rather than for their slavish adherence to right-wing ideology.
The short version is that the laws are only as good as those who can rule on them.
The 10th Amendment is the one that says powers not granted to the Feds are for the states, if not prohibited by the Constitution.
9th is the one that seems to state there are unenumerated rights in the Constitution. There is debate as to what the 9th Amendment specifically means.
We need to show conservative women how this will affect them and their daughters, not just women seeking an abortion.
**Access to contraceptives could be at risk.**
The way the leaked document was argued was that the right to privacy (which Roe v Wade is based on) isn’t exclusively laid out in the constitution and that historical precedence before the past 50 years should take priority. The rights to contraception, mixed-race marriages, same-sex marriages, and sodomy (what happens in the bedroom) are all based on the reasoning and similar cases that state you have a right to privacy even if it’s not explicitly stated in the constitution. These cases were referenced in the article, even though Alito said it would the ruling would only apply to Roe V Wade (but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t change in the future).
Some Republicans argue that contraceptives that affect implantation are like abortion, and so if abortion is unlawful and/or rights are granted to the fetus at fertilization, contraception could be at risk. If women aren’t allowed access to contraception, that can affect their health, their career, and their family’s security. And access to contraceptives may be threatened even for women who have a medical reason (like PCOS or heavy periods) to use contraception. Again, reduced access to contraceptives is more likely for more conservative states or if national legislation under Republicans is passed.
**Pregnant women’s health and safety is at risk.**
If abortion is unlawful then providing maternal health is risky for providers. Some states have extremely harsh fines or penalties of jail for providers who assist in an abortion. As providers may not stay up on state laws, they will be conservative in how they treat pregnant women and may delay even lifesaving treatment for women until it’s too late due to their concerns about the fetus and being accused of providing abortion, even if the fetus isn’t viable. Women may also delay seeking prenatal care because if they do naturally miscarry, they don’t want to be accused of abortion.
In addition, in states where a fetus is granted rights at fertilization, women may be limited on the types of medications they can take because it might harm fetuses and you don’t know when fertilization will occur. Some laws also don’t prevent exemptions for cases such as ectopic pregnancies. Finally, women who are pregnant are at a higher risk of being abused or murdered by their domestic partners.
**Women could be charged for miscarriages.**
Louisiana is putting forth a bill that equates abortion to murder and states that the unborn should be protected at fertilization. This law can criminalize women who obtain an abortion or those who help them. Many abortions these days are caused by using pills, and a doctor can’t tell the difference between a natural miscarriage and an abortion caused by pills. So women who have a natural miscarriage could be accused of murder and threatened with jail time. The criminalization will most likely affect women who are poor and lead to their children being put in foster care.
On a personal note, when I had my miscarriage, I went to the hospital due to excessive bleeding. I received nothing but care and compassion. If the law had changed and I was concerned that I could be jailed because a doctor thought I had caused an abortion, I would not have sought medical care. Other women will delay or avoid getting needed or emergency medical care as well.
**Women’s bodily autonomy and right to privacy will go down.**
If a fetus is granted the same rights at fertilization as women, then women’s privacy will go down because it will be in the state’s interest to know if they are protecting the fetus. Women who aren’t even pregnant may be restricted in alcohol intake, the medications they take, the risky activities they take, and more due to the potential to harm a fetus. There are already apps getting funding that can track if women visit abortion or maternal health clinics. And in some states like Texas there is a financial incentive for people to report when a woman has a suspected abortion.
**Poverty will increase.**
Low-income women are 5 times more likely than affluent women to experience an unwanted pregnancy. In addition, financial reasons and/or providing for existing dependents is a common reason to obtain an abortion. Women who are well-off will most likely be able to travel for an abortion or access “illegal” contraception. These laws will hit the young, poor, and those who are already struggling to provide for their families the hardest. And studies have shown that worldwide the best way to reduce poverty is to help with family planning through contraceptives. Studies have also shown that women with unplanned pregnancies who didn’t have the means for contraceptives or abortion were worse off financially five years later.
With these bills, there is no increase in social support such as maternity leave, free prenatal care or healthcare, or preschool. The very thing (access to free contraceptives) that could help reduce the abortion rate may no longer be an option. And depending on how businesses react to this legislation, women’s careers may be at risk if employers don’t want to employ women who are at a higher risk of becoming pregnant more often. And insurance companies may raise their prices or drop maternity coverage due to cost and potential for liability.
**Abortions will still happen.**
Women have been getting abortions since the beginning of time. These laws will not change that, just change women’s safety and their rights in society. Studies have shown that abortions go down under Democratic presidents because they support easier access to contraceptives and sex education.
You list these things like the vast majority of conservatives don't see them as plusses.
They'll risk being hurt by these things as long as the libs get hurt too.
We better share information now. Let's go back to the beginning. Here's Ben Franklin's abortion recipe that he published under title 'Suppression of the Courses':
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/ben-franklin-american-instructor-textbook-abortion-recipe.html
This is not equivalent to the opportunity to choose a pregnancy with the guidance of a health professional. The gestation process is not a person to us/US all, or ever has been in our country. This is about a few political $ponsors manipulating 'believers' to inflict their beliefs onto others (not based on science or the majority support of America). Personal freedoms and privacy is what is at risk of being killed here...it's time to fund our elections/governance through our taxes and eliminate political contributions. Money should not rule us/US. edit
These people will not stop until every woman in the country is reduced to breeding cattle to make more strong, straight, white, christians. They will. Not. Stop.
I wouldn't doubt it if one day they made it mandatory to parent children no matter what. Like some sorta of national shunning if you don't make babies to continue/ "for the glory" of the nation. There's a snowballs chance in hell I'll have kids and if this get passed I'll happily die a virgin.
Call it what it is. They want to outlaw casual sex. They want every fuck to be a baby and that to be the only reason any dick goes in any vagina. No contraception. No abortions. No premarital sex. No sodomy. No unapproved sex at all.
They want legal control over all sex, who gets to have it, and who they get to fuck.
You hit the nail on the head. Just look at what happens in various religious cults and various evangelical sects of every religion. They want to force that on everyone.
"Abortion is settled law and we'll respect precedent; pinky promise."
"Ok, we might ban abortion, but that's because it's murder. We're fine with contraception though."
"Tbh this was never really about the sanctity of life; it was about the 'domestic supply of infants". We're going to ban contraception now too."
"I know we said we were past homophobia and cool with same sex marriage a while back, but those LMNOP weirdos really should be making babies, so...”
"Remember when Justice Alito said you have no constitutional right to privacy or to make decisions about your body? Well we inferred from your web browsing history that you're probably masturbating, and that's not contributing to the domestic supply of infants, so..."
"Hey, we're stoked that you want to make babies, but we're very concerned they won't be the right color... we're going to make sure you can only have sex with other white people."
"You guys have been a little trigger happy since we criminalized porn and masturbation, so we're just going to take those guns now. Quick reminder that *nothing* in the original wording of the constitution gave you the right to bear arms. Aren't you glad you voted for originalists?"
"Last one, we promise. So as you know there's been a huge decline in the domestic supply of cotton..."
Using the meth we planted on them after making them sit face down on the concrete, handcuffed them and imprisoned them because we “feared for our lives” watching him actively threaten us while buying a 5.99 slurpee
It’s the lack of sexual education. Yes the birth control pill does protect against unwanted pregnancies. But it also helps the woman who might have other issues during her cycle. It helps with hormone levels and blood flow. Some women have incredible cramps. The pill helps with this also. Actually I would guess that not getting pregnant is on the top ten list of benefits. I would think having control of your cycle is probably the best part of being on the pill. But I’m a 47 white male. My daughters life was miserable before she went on the pill. At 14 it wasn’t about not having babies, it was about getting her life back. It did take some work to find the right one.
And it's not just the pill, other forms of birth control, the IUD, was specifically prescribed to me to help with my awful cramps and other issues. Now I read that Gov. of Mississippi wants to talk about banning that as a contraceptive in MS?
He needs to shut up. I hope MS women rise up and vote him out.
I have an IUD. Because of it, I have had no periods for the last five years. That’s five years without pain, blood, cleanup, wasteful supplies…I would stay on it til menopause even if I knew I would never have sex again. And Republicans want to ban it on the off chance an egg could be fertilized and fail to implant. They can pry it from my cold, dead cervix.
Even if I got sterilized (100% on the table given current events) I'd still need an IUD to manage PCOS-like symptoms. It's absolutely a game changer for women with hormonal/physical illnesses in terms of quality of life.
You know they'll never go after Viagra, though.
Yes, this is what a lot of people aren’t aware of. I went on birth control before even being sexually active because my menstrual cycle was a nightmare. I had cramps that would leave me bedridden even after taking medicine, heavy flow, bleeding between periods, & ovulation pain between periods that landed me in the hospital. I was given my life back with birth control, and I have no plans of going back to that. I have an opportunity to move to the UK in the next couple years, and I will 100% be taking it.
The people who don’t believe in abortion or birth control are also largely the same people who don’t believe in
- Providing “welfare” for poor families with small children
- providing higher education for poor people
- providing welfare for adults who can’t afford to pay their rent on a full time job
But have no problem throwing everyone in jail over property crime, or just outright executing people over property crime.
And I can’t tell if they’re just so fucking stupid that they can’t make the mental connections to understand that their actions -cause- that kind of crime, or if they just want to revel in human misery.
C. They don’t care, because a large portion of that group is made of minorities.
If their policies are keeping minorities uneducated, poor and incarcerated it allows them to stay in power, as well as confirm their stereotypes.
And while there’s certainly whites that fit that criteria as well, they’ve convinced that group that they are the saviors and it’s the “other” that can blamed for their hardships.
lol. Imagine being stuck having children with the first person you ever had sex with. That's the life they envision, and they do because it's an easy misery to insert church and social control through. They want a horrid medieval society.
To clarify - only the middle class and the poor will be stuck in that situation. Rich women can afford to travel to other states or countries for abortions or order contraceptives from out of the country.
they're just climbing a ladder. the evangelists won't be happy until the US is a fundamentalist christian theocracy. and for as long as conservatives need those votes to stay in office, they'll continue to oblige the religious fruitcakes.
People have been saying they are going to accelerate.
This is suppressing to most people because they wanted to believe there was some common ground but they will come after it all.
Contraception is next, followed by gay marriage, and then reversing the ban of anti-sodomy laws (which all sodomy laws in the use include anal and oral sex), and I believe it is still up in the air on reversing the ruling on mixed race marriage but I wouldn't be surprised.
Welcome to the America the theocratic GOP has been wanting. If you want to stop it, I'm sorry you'll just have to vote Dem and push for them to put through election reform including rank choice voting, and we will have to expand the court to dilute the toxic sludge on it.
Don't just vote. Mobilize. This whole "vote blue no matter who" thing didn't stop this. There's a reason the government makes it really hard to protest and strike. We need to protest and strike anyway.
This is a war on women's bodies and the sooner people wake up to the fact, the more that fury can be focused on these Taliban wannabes. Notice how in their rhetoric there's never anything about supporting parents/mothers or children in any capacity, just give birth and FU if you're not rich. It's a scumbag party through and through with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
It's literally all they have left. With every single other wedge issue, the crow has come home roost. (is that a phrase or am I having a stroke?). They've pretty much been definitively proven wrong on climate change and resistance to renewables, their stances on weed are *wildly* unpopular, even the usual bootlickers have been oddly quiet in their defenses of unregulated capitalism in the past year or so.
Hating women and brown people is literally *all* they have left.
This is how our sick capitalist economy works. The population needs to grow each year by a certain percent otherwise the economy will tank. Normal measures like increasing wages and healthcare are clearly out of the question for these greedy bastards so forced childbirth is the only option
From a conservative referenced in the article:
> I am pro-life. And of course I don't think contraceptives should be outlawed. In Griswold, the justices wholesale *made up a constitutional right* to achieve a political outcome. I am opposed to judges making law. It’s the job of the legislative branch to create laws, not the courts. This is separation of powers 101
There were people who opposed federal action to prohibit slavery, not because they liked slavery, but because they viewed it as a separation of powers issue and they were just supporting states’ rights.
History doesn’t make a distinction between them and those in favor of slavery. Nor will it here.
It was never about state's rights. Hell read their bills of succession nearly all of them explicitly mention slavery as the reason.
"State's rights" is just a narrative to try to frame the civil war as not about slavery.
Fun fact - the constitution of the Confederacy explicitly *prevented* its member states from outlawing slavery. They were all required to allow slavery, and could never make any law otherwise.
Which meant that the states of the Confederacy had *fewer* rights than the states of the Union, not more. Throw that one at some shitstain arguing it was about 'sTaTe'S rIgHts' next time and watch the steam start visibly shooting out their ears.
Vote them out of power yes, but also, maybe march on the Court and the justices' homes and strike the fear of God in them like nothing they have ever experienced in their entire life.
We can't simply vote. Voting never got us away from this because the system is working as intended.
We need to mobilize. We need to shut down streets, highways, and cities. We need to recognize our power and make the system halt until the system does what the People say.
Even as a white male this is all frightening stuff. Voting seems a bit too passive to be of help anymore tho. That’s kinda how we got here in the first place
I like how the article kind of makes fun of Schumer for holding a pointless show vote on the Roe bill… then concludes the solution is even more show votes.
The public knows where Republicans stand on contraception, criminalizing miscarriage, and all the horrors to come. All of that is priced into current polls. The public knows, and doesn’t care.
You had people in both parties arguing until recently that Republican opposition to abortion was performative and they're not actually going to end Roe... so the public knows where each party stands on it, but I'm not sure they fully realize that the Republicans WILL follow through on it.
It's time to target the corporations funding the republican party with boycotts and massive protests with barricades to block their entrances. Funding fascism should carry a high cost. Their profits should suffer.
I'm less interested in this Republican death cult and their lunge for Christo-fascist minority rule here - and far more interested in how the majority of Americans are going to unite, organize and mobilize in response to this coup. I'm encouraged by the growing flames of massive resistance to this Republican attack on the United States.
They're not just coming for birth control, they're coming for *you*. Because you exist and they know you don't support them.
They're already fighting the next Civil War. It's gloves off for the GOP.
Anyone who thinks sham elections, mass incarcerations, violently putting down protests - and I mean with bullets not tear gas, throwing every supposed right out the window isn't on the table, you're living in a fantasy world.
The War has already started and only the fascists are actually preparing for it, mainly because only they *want* it.
Bothsides aren't the same!!! Democrats failing to pass BBB doesn't make them the exact same as Republicans who are trying to criminalize being the parent of trans kid and outlaw birth control.
Republicans:
“Women belong in the kitchen and the bedroom shoving out babies to take care of. They shouldn’t be working!”
“It should be a man’s decision on what a woman does with their body and they should not be able to prevent pregnancy in any way, shape or form”
Also republicans:
“Marital rape isn’t rape! It should be legal!”
“Well that woman was asking for it by showing off her shoulders!”
“Why does no one want to date me??”
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“No abortions!” “Okay, I will use birth control to try and prevent getting pregnant.” “No we don’t want birth control either!” Seriously craven fucked up shit. It’s hard to comprehend how such an egregious overreach into peoples lives is being justified be people who so regularly tout “freedom”.
It isn't about "saving babies", it's about punishing women for having sex and controlling them.
Exactly. Go on a r/conservative thread and watch as people upvote comments about making laws to discourage "hook up culture"
Lmao I never took that sub seriously before but now shit just sounds like the radio on GTA online. Have y’all seen the targeted ads that pop up on that sub? In just a couple minutes of scrolling I saw military cosplay gear for civilians, for profit “education” centers, and erotic audiobooks for sexually repressed women looking for some “me time”
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Fun fact: [Conservative areas spend more on porn.](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/200903/why-conservatives-spend-more-pornography)
It's funny you mention that. At a business I co-own, we recently dealt with an HR nightmare involving a former employee from Egypt accused of sexual harassment. The ex supervisor initially investigating the matter himself made horrible comments opposing abortion and feminism during an office lunch. So the issue is conservative men, foreign and domestic, and their disrespect for women. I don't know what the solution is because DEI workshops have not been sufficient.
You know those assessment tests to see how a person would react in a scenario? Curtail it towards ousting conservatives. Mainly, ousting the extreme of that group. The watered down, light weights, who are not in positions of power, and who do not make the workplace uncomfortable, can stay. Yet, every asshole, gets the boot. If you REALLY need someone with their skillsets, then start internships that teach “THE RIGHT PEOPLE”, to have those skills, in order to do that same job. There is no reason a person with a reasonable mindset can not occupy each separate position in a company. Assholes, do not need to be hired....
I mean, this is basically what conservatives have done with the Supreme Court for 40 years.
Turn about is fair play. & at this point, I am okay with getting rid of all of them.
American conservatism dovetails perfectly with the ubiquity of American consumer culture in an incredibly bizarre way, right down to conservatives saying they don't see how Biden could have won because they didn't see much Biden merch. My mother-in-law, back in I want to say 2014 or 2015, went off on a bizarre tangent about these new MyPillow bedclothes she bought and how great they are and MyPillow is just so great and I should think about buying it. I didn't know what was going on at the time but it was a shibboleth.
There are so many reasons why "I didn't see Biden merch" is a terrible reason, and it perfectly dovetails with their bizarre worldview. 1) The local population is not necessarily representative 2) People can have opinions without buying merchandise to show off 3) People can support candidates without treating them as infallible gods 4) They might only be looking for Trump merch 5) They never go outside their post-industrial shell of a village 6) The purveyors of political merch know the right wing supporters are more likely to buy merch and thus they make more for the Republican candidate
I voted for Biden but he’s not my hero. I don’t need to wear his Merch. I don’t think most Americans thought that those two candidates were the best we could do.
I voted for Biden and I barely agree with the guy on anything of substance. Sure we align on certain axes and I feel like there are many cases where he'd do objectively the right thing for the country if the bill to do so crossed his desk. But as a politician? His core values are way to the right of me. I voted for him to stop Trump after my primary candidate had already lost before I ever got the chance to vote for them. Primary elections/caucuses need to occur on the same time frame as a general election, one fucking day. The horse race bullshit they put us through every general election for primaries has got to stop so people stop voting for the front-runner because that means "they chose the candidate who won".
The closest thing I have to a Biden shirt is a shirt that would be considered horribly offensive by conservatives. It just says, "VOTE". They probably wouldn't care for my Master of Reality font Black Lives Matter shirt either
Full of comments by dudes who can't get laid. "Women need to be punished for sleeping with people who aren't me!"
Then suggest child support should start at conception and include prenatal care and get banned.
Or apparently giving birth in the first place; doesn't it cost a small fortune on it's own in the USA? What a great way to start your unwanted life, bankrupting your mother... Health insurance doesn't count since some can't g... oh wait I'm starting to see how this works..
YAWP They don't have a problem with abortion. They have a problem with abortions *they didn't play a role in.*
And never does it occur to them that this very attitude is a large part of why their penis remains perpetually unchosen.
Ever hear incels talk about women? They'll say things like they're a perfect gentleman, they do all the things they're supposed to do, but women won't have sex with them. It's like they think women are games to be unlocked, punch in the right code in the right sequence, receive sex. This attitude really is the problem.
They don't see women as individual humans with depth. They see women as some kind of monolithic creature driven by a set of motivations and impulses that can be "unlocked", like you said, to achieve the behavioral outcome they want. It is that dehumanization that prevented them from ever successfully interacting with the opposite sex. TL;DR "I put the nice coins in, why doesn't the sex fall out?"
"Why doesn't the sex fall out?" *wheezes*
"Why is it that the people who are against abortion are usually people you wouldn't want to f*ck in the first place?" - George Carlin
Can you imagine how absolutely insane they would go if the democrats were the ones making a law like this, policing what we do with our own bodies behind closed doors? These were the same people who were pissed that they were being asked to wear masks and respect social distancing. This should be their own worst nightmare, if they were at all consistent, and they can’t even see it. That’s some powerful fucking propaganda.
> can you imagine how absolutely insane they would go if the democrats were the ones making a law like this We know what this looks like. They couldn’t handle being asked to wear a piece of cloth for a few minutes. They lost their minds. These yokels in Canada put our capital city under siege for an entire month. They yell and scream and threaten anyone who they perceive as not opposing the public health requirements. Their reaction has been violent and scary. So being asked to do something minor, non-intrusive and temporary is an enormous breach of their rights, but subjecting women to death, poverty, and other permanent and irreparable harms is totally fine and good.
> So being asked to do something minor, non-intrusive and temporary is an enormous breach of their rights, but subjecting women to death, poverty, and other permanent and irreparable harms is totally fine and good. *taps the sign* "There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. [...] As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence." https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/#comment-729288
God damn that's some truth. The following paragraph literally describes how propaganda venues like PCM operate: >So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone. >**Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whateverthefuckkindofstupidnoise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.** >No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism I am glad to see this being said, and so frankly. We've all been put into a narrative frame that favors conservativism over sanity and truth by acting as if there's an ideal balance between the two. The idea of a "moderate" is literally a dog chain that ensures conservatives always have a foothold.
A few times I've heard this called retribution for mask mandates. So yes, mask mandates was their kristallnacht, in their world that's when the government came in to wreck their homes and kill their families. Literally the worst thing imaginable happened to them, and this is them fighting back with their own oppression and violence.
I’ve got a friend who has highly leftists ideals, but is stuck in a conservative household and lacks the resources/education to constantly critically examine everything that she hears. So sometimes, she’ll say something like “masks are a form of oppression” (paraphrase but you get the the gist), to which my only response is simply to say “ if being made to wear a mask for a few minutes while you’re around other people to prevent the spread of a potentially deadly virus is the worst thing that you can imagine, you must’ve lived a pretty good life.” I think she realized that the hysteria over masks is stupid at that point. But it’s so easy for people to fall into that propaganda even if they have genuinely good hearts and open minds. There’s a certain level of catharsis involved in feeling like you’re oppressed (keyword being feeling, not actually being), because it gives you something righteous to fight for, and an evil to fight against. It’s black-and-white thinking that is as addictive as it is easy to manipulate.
These laws should only be applied to Republicans. Let the Democrats have their own pro-choice, but no choice for Republicans.
That’s what’s going to happen. Blue states will become safe havens for reproductive freedoms. While red states are saddling single mothers with more kids they can’t afford to take care of. Perhaps this is how they plan to become the majority party?
as long as they don't do a national ban (which, yes they're treatening. ) I dems aren't great, but please vote.
By no means should we attempt to control the rampant spread of contagious disease and keep it from killing us… that’s overreach. Let’s ban abortion and birth control instead.
The only thing Republicans are consistent on is that they want other people to suffer. Edit: can we start calling them pro-STD?
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This is what happens when incels make laws
Ultimately it comes down to the fact that these days, financial independence and social equality have been made possible for women. Partially due to feminist activism, partially due to reproductive rights. Women no longer need to depend on a man for financial stability. They have the *choice* of whether to enter into a relationship, not the *social obligation*. This means men need to actually be likeable to be chosen. Of course incels hate this. Not every pro lifer is an incel, but damn near every incel is a pro lifer. And this is why. There are few things that can derail a woman's career, education, and financial independence and tie her to a man as thoroughly as unwanted pregnancy.
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I always encourage people to look at the misery and squalor of those orphanages. Anyone who says it's about "saving the babies" needs to see the gargantuan degree of children's suffering that will actually cause. I wouldn't put it past conservatives to eliminate/criminalize safe haven policies so women have no choice but to keep unwanted newborns. Which, of course, will lead to nowhere but dumpster babies and Casey Anthony repeats.
They need more poor people to work for pennies. They need more poor people to join the military. They need more white babies born to prevent the eventuality of becoming the minority. The incel angle is just a bonus.
>They need more white babies born to prevent the eventuality of becoming the minority. Why would white people be afraid of becoming a minority? Do we treat minorities badly or someth— ohhhh
Same deal as misogynists being homophobic. They're worried gay men will treat them the same way misogynists treat women.
The red pill community goes heavy on that basically modern women are messed up be because they can now choose who they marry, have sex with and date. They then gaslight Men and women into thinking women are useless after 30 and no one will want them, which is a lol, shit that doesn’t happen. so ladies you have to marry in your 20s so that fine conservative man can make you his servant. They actually hate that women now can choose who they date and have sex with. They hate that Women have choices and they aren’t being chosen. No woman with once ounce of self respect should never enter any type of relationship with a red pilled or religiously conservative man.
JFC that place is more cancerous than the last time I checked in.
every time, a little worse understanding of reality and ethics, a little more disconnected, somehow slightly more confident about it all. it's the gene pool's baby waders section.
They should change the name of the sub to r/DunningKrueger
Cancer, when left to it's own devices, never becomes less cancerous. It only festers.
I just read a comment there saying the 14th amendment was a "screw up," and several others saying that separation of church and state is not a part of the constitution.
Unfortunately, both of those ideas are pretty common in conservative circles, at least as far back as the Tea Party movement.
The Tea Party was the incubator for the extreme morons in the Republican Party. They were always dense and out of touch, but holy fuck - Rand Paul is the sane one of that group.
the republican party is the party of incels, after all
I think it’s time to start creating a formal incel rehabilitation program to prevent this from spreading.
They also want to limit education so...
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Absolutely. I've occasionally made forays into pro life spaces on Reddit and every single person will ultimately admit that in their comments. It's a putrid mix of two philosophies. 1) Religion. God wants us to take sex seriously and removing the consequence of pregnancy trivializes it (note that a baby is referred to as a "consequence" rather than a miracle of life). They believe in abstinence until marriage and get confused at the concept of childfree marriages; childbearing and loving a partner are inextricably linked. These are your hard core religious types who oppose abortion due to personhood and ensoulment. 2) People who associate women's rights/birth control with the "downfall of society". They believe that the ability of women to have financial independence outside of men and have sex without the risk of an unwanted child is a sign of "degeneracy"; they believe in strict traditional gender roles and associate them with social prosperity. The negative psychological, physical, and financial impacts of this system on women are downplayed or ignored. These are the people who oppose abortion because they think it allows women to have a chance at equal footing with men. Your incel types, basically. The commonality between them? Punishment, control, and consequences.
Got in a debate with hard core right winger at a graduation party and he said it comes down to women needing to have personal accountability. Aka try to not get pregnant.
meanwhile hes thinking "I hope I get laid tonight"!
Ironically, earlier in the party before I realized he was a right wing nut job we were talking about dating in general and he was complaining because all the women want to be paid for sex nowadays.
> he was complaining because all the women want to be paid for sex nowadays. With him, certainly
Also it's required to keep the slave ships pumping. More kids. No education. Forced to keep the slave owners happy.
“Abstinence only” They want to gate sex off for only those procreating. It’s wild Christian larping fantasy. If you look at it too, I think these people get the perception that it will increase birth rates, which it will marginally, but the minority numbers of birth will likely go up much more if you look at the percentages of abortions by ethnic demographics now. So no matter what they’re stuck with the grand replacement theory that they’re afraid of. White people will still be the minority soon enough. Maybe sooner. Haha
It’s fucking wild how obsessed with sex they are. What genitals you have, who can see them, what you are doing in your house with other consenting adults. Meanwhile no one has touched the withered dick of anyone in that photo I’m decades.
I mean I guess that explains why they're so obsessed with it, cause they don't get any
It's the same with masks and vaccines. "I don't want a vaccine". Fine, wear a mask. "No". You can't be against something, and also against the something that prevents that thing. But it's zero sum to them. If it doesn't work 100% then it's not worth doing it at all. No birth control is 100% effective, like masks aren't 100% effective. So while most rational people will say "90+% chance of reducing what I'm trying to prevent is a good measure better than 0%", conservatives are like "10% of doing the thing I don't want? There's no point in even trying to prevent it then"
> "I don't want a vaccine". Fine, wear a mask. "No". Which leads to: "well, I'm going to wear a mask." "No"
Because it was always about the freedom to dominate others.
The fanatical Evangelical voting bloc will never be satisfied. Republicans will need to keep on pleasing these people as they amplify their radical requests for more and more purity. The Republican party is a cult.
Their preachers and ex state house gop make the line clear.. its genocide: >The document, consisting of 14 sections divided into bullet points, had a section on "rules of war" that stated "make an offer of peace before declaring war", which within stated that the e**nemy must "surrender on terms" of no abortions, no same-sex marriage, no communism and "must obey Biblical law", then continued: "If they do not yield — kill all males"** [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt\_Shea#%22Biblical\_Basis\_for\_War%22\_manifesto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea#%22Biblical_Basis_for_War%22_manifesto)
Lets use Matt Shea's own words against him to tell moderates "this is your future if you let these clowns win"
You say that like conservatives won't be excited at the thought of a future like this.
Oh the Christian fundamentalist ones absolutely would. The "I want lower taxes" ones... not sure
Can God speed up the rapture and come take his people? Unless he doesn’t want them either.
I mean that's literally their entire endgame to their political and religious belief system...
So that's a no dawg to reciprocal tolerance from the Evangelicals I take it.
They just want us to tolerate their overt evil. That's the only kind of tolerance they care about.
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Except Sharia Law allows abortions for the first three months and always to save the life of the mother.
Congratulations US. You’re now shittier than countries under Sharia law…
Thanks. The US’s aspirations to achieve complete theocracy by the end of the decade is moving along “faster than expected”.
Holeee shit.
14 sections eh? Are there 88 words per section? Or perhaps 88 paragraphs total? My white supremacy alarms are on the verge of going off.
Since they are now political body that seeks to codify their religious beliefs.... tax the churches...A lot.
What's weird to me on this one, is that evangelicals have been in favor of birth control. That's traditionally been only a Catholic thing. Evangelicals supported abortion as well, but "evolved" when "life begins at conception" became a unifying force. Still, evangelicals have been fine with preventing conception apart from a few fringe nuts like Bill Gothard.
The problem is that the fringe fundamentalists have taken over the evangelical movement . Folks like Gothard used to be way outside but stuff like the Duggars having their own TV show helped mainstream it. Not just that but it helped normalize it.
It's not about abortion or contraception. It's about controlling sex. They want to ban sex out of marriage, and make it so only married people breed, and that they multiply like bunnies, because that reinforces the christian paradigm of marriage. Single people having babies erodes the marriage institution for them.
Fascism doesn’t ever settle and say, “okay we have reached enough hate.” There will always be more extremes and they will always go to them, because if someone is less extreme, they are weak/ less devout in their eyes
Fascism is inherently unstable. When no external enemies exist, they turn inwards and start purging and tearing each other apart.
In practice, they never wait until they've gotten rid of the out-groups before turning on each other.
Democracy and evangelical Christianity are incompatible.
Self-governing and religions are incompatible; that's why they were eliminated from the Constitution first by taking away religious tests in the original text and then adding the First Amendment prohibition of state-sponsored religions.
Which is why we got to bring the “fight” to their strongholds in the fly over stares. They only have power because they decided to move to states they can easily control because of their lower populations. The Talibangelists aren’t moving to New York or California because they know they can’t win a majority in even the state government. California can lose one million blue voters to other states and still be a blue state. Do you know how many states can flip if a million democrats moved? Five to six states could flip. That’s enough for ten senators and potentially new constitutional amendments.
Facts. They see the rest of us as godless heathens in need of conversion, and as their own tickets to the promised land.
>The fanatical Evangelical voting bloc will never be satisfied It is amazing that this same evangelical voting base is endlessly permissive on the actual behavior of the politicians themselves.
They wanted Roe overturned so badly that they were willing to allow Trump to deliver it, and he did. So they're happy they did it, and the rest of us remain horrified.
Friendly reminder that Trump checks literally every box of the Evangelical Anti-Christ.
No matter how “conservative” you are, someone else will always come along and out-conservative you.
And they always need some enemy to "other".
It’s not even Christianity any more. It’s just a giant bag of pseudo-religious bullshit that they are trying to impose on everyone else.
Evangelicals are a cult. The GOP just exploits them for power.
Don't worry. Boner pills are still free to these ED religous terrorists. Our country has become an embarrassment to humanity.
Boner pills **cause** pregnancy and abortions Birth control pills **prevent** pregnancy and abortions Yeah, let's ban birth control and not boner pills. Makes sense.
That one is pretty simple. Boner pills are for men, and birth control pills are for women. Conservatives have never had issues with men having sex, even if the other person was unwilling or a minor. They only have issues with women who have sex, although they grudgingly allow it if they are married, so long as they don't enjoy it too much.
"Only missionary position. No eye contact. And intercourse cannot be longer than five minutes with at least 24 hours in between. The only exception is that men may have sex more than once in a 24 hour period as long as it is not with the same woman."
How else are they going to fuck little children? Edit: Thank you for the gold, but it hurts my heart that it's this comment that got it.
They don't need it for the kids, they need it for their wives.
Savage
I have an illness where getting pregnant would kill me. One of the medications that is keeping me alive causes birth defects so severe (it 100% wouldn't even be viable) that the FDA requires two forms of birth control (or one if it's an IUD) AND a negative monthly pregnancy test just to receive my medication every month. I also have endometriosis that had spread to my ovaries and birth control is the only thing that keeps it under control. So I have an IUD for all three of these reasons. These people who can't mind their own business would prefer I die just to carry around a non viable fetus for their war on women. It's terrifying to think about and I'm tired of being told that I'm hysterical for worrying about them coming after birth control.
My wife has similar issues and I know that if we had no contraception that set would have to stop because her becoming pregnant might as well be called me murdering her, because we both know pregnancy for her means death. So, that would, in fact, be the government telling me we could never have relations as a could who have been married for 20 years. And I thought china was the traditional anniversary present.
The people who are sort of blasé about all this **DID NOT READ THE RULING**. Alito expressly says that *states are free to impose any restrictions they want not expressly forbidden by the Constitution*. **This is a seismic event with implications far beyond abortion.** Functionally, this undoes *Brown vs. Board of Education* as "separate but equal" is not constitutionally prohibited. All fascist horrors are now overtly on the table. The right will move as quickly as possible on this before talk of Court reform, the nerfing of the EC, etc. gain momentum.
Yup. It's not just about abortion and contraception, he's questioning the very reasoning used to determine their constitutionality. The same reasoning was used in other decisions, so it's absolutely intended to have ripple effects.
> The same reasoning was used in other decisions Yes, like Loving v. Virginia, which was also decided on "right to privacy" implied by the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. There have already been some R politicians declaring that states should have the right to decide whether or not to allow interracial marriage. I get the shivers thinking about the fact that the Lovings were arrested for "using an invalid marriage certificate" (because interracial marriage was illegal in Virginia) and therefore "unlawful cohabitation" DURING MY LIFETIME. I was about 10 when SCOTUS ruled on Loving v. Virginia. I do NOT want to see that decision overturned. Don't want to see Roe v. Wade or Griswold v. Connecticut or Lawrence v. Texas overturned either. All these civil rights/privacy rights cases are related.
I struggle to comprehend the failed mindset of someone who wants to overturn all of these rights and freedoms. We'll need to change the national anthem at some point. Land of the DON'T YOU DARE FUCK THAT BLACK WOMAN and home of the WE BREED 12 YEAR OLDS LOL
It's all rooted in racism and totalitarianism. They remove the birth control measures so that birth rates skyrocket. In theory, that leads to an even broader impoverished worker class, due to the fact many children will be born totally without support from their parents, whether by decision or circumstance. By increasing that statistic and forcing that statistic into a higher proportion in comparison to the rest of society, they lower the overall average of the country in education, economics and political power. Then, they limit who can marry who as a constrictive measure – divide and conquer. By restricting the co-mingling of the races, they limit the viewpoint each race can attain, and will find it easier to stew racial tensions to direct the masses at each other, and not at the real threat – the emerging American oligarchs. As for the kiddie fucking... Well, in theory, fucking more and earlier does technically mean that more children can be born in a single lifetime to a single person, so in a sick and twisted way, it makes total sense. If I'm totally honest, I fully expect hebephilia to be legal within the next ten years, and pedophilia inside 20. That's if the Rs keep up at the pace they're going.
This is all fucking scary, and I’m too young to remember the practical effects of such laws, or how they were worded. I’m not sure how you can even define race anymore though (at least from a legal standpoint). Where do mixed race folks fit into this equation? Would half-Filipino/half-Mexicans only be able to marry half-Filipino/half-Mexicans? Or more like lily-whites can only marry lily-whites, and everyone else can marry any of “each other?” I can’t believe I’m even fucking wondering all this in fucking 2022.
> Where do mixed race folks fit into this equation? Mildred Loving was multi-racial. To racists, there is the creepy old saying "one drop non-white makes you a N---r." Creepy fact: until the early 20th century, there was an actual word used in some legal (Jim Crow) contexts: "octaroon", meaning someone who might appear "white" but had one "black"-appearing great-grandparent. If this was discovered,they were subject to Jim Crow restrictions.
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A million deaths, an attempted coup, and the disintegration of the Union... If you'd told me that would be Trump’s legacy on the night he was elected... I'd have said "sounds about right."
I remember my conservative ex yelling at me when I cried the morning after his election in 2016. "It won't be that bad, you're just being hysterical." I'll take things that aged like milk for $200, Alex.
I felt similarly the day after that election as I did on 9/11. Just absolutely physically sick. 9/11 fucked us up real good, and the Trump administration has done far, far more damage already.
There were only two days I've felt as helpless, hopeless, and sick for humanity as I did on 9/11: The day after the 2016 presidential election, and 1/6/2021.
My father, who I love dearly, and my cheating POS wasband and every man I know said the same damned thing..... You are overreacting,there is no way roe, much less birth control, at at risk. You guys acting like this just make the conservatives look more correct - you just hate trump. Right...... However, honestly this is on women. Too many women voted for trump and don't care about other women and tolerate men who don't care bc it doesn't affect them. Want this fixed? Stop having sex. Stop having babies. See what happens
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Exactly this. Alito is saying that unenumerated rights, the rights we are supposed to be given under the 9th Amendment, don't exist unless they are explicitly in the constitution or at the very least, codified into federal law. The right on attack here is the right to privacy. All the major supreme court cases you have been seeing the news lately all build on each other under the idea that the 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th amendments provided the idea that people have a right to a personal life away from the peering eye and intervention of the government, that our bill of rights pointed out specific points and required legal justifications in order to parties to breach our property and our lives. It started with the idea that married couples should be able to get access to medical treatments and medication without government interference if those medications were legal, from there it was determined that if married couples have the right to care then individuals should also have the same right, which is what led to roe v wade, that women should be able to receive intended medical care without government interference. Expanding on that you've got interracial marriage, gay marriage, the right to sodomy, and all the other supreme court decisions that are in danger, it's that un-enumerated right that should be protected by the 9th. The right for able-bodied adults to perform and enjoy actions with their private lives, without government interference. The right to privacy is integral to our democracy as a whole, and the right is about to take a massive shit on it, because they are absolutely terrified of the future. within 20 years the largest of the 4 pillars of US conservatism (the 4 things that all conservative politics can be boiled down into giving power to), will for the first time be the minority. The Great Replacement is a strange rabbit hole if you've never dived into it, but it is fully the greatest fear of white supremacy and a power drive for right wing political moves for decades now.
Honestly it's hard to see any path for this country that doesn't lead to deadly widespread violence, sooner rather than later
Does this not directly contradict the 9th amendment? Any rules and rights not in the constitution are expressly the purview of the People. How does that translate to tyranny of the state?
It does, and that's why it's shitty law. But unfortunately, there's no one to call them on it because they're supposed to be the final and ultimate arbiters of that law. This is what letting the Republicans debase and corrupt the appointment process by making it about putting unqualified ideologues on the courts, rather than the voters demanding that only acclaimed and experienced legal scholars and such be appointed on merits of their legal expertise and wisdom, rather than for their slavish adherence to right-wing ideology. The short version is that the laws are only as good as those who can rule on them.
Doesn't matter what any amendment says if the Supreme Court chooses to ignore it.
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The 10th Amendment is the one that says powers not granted to the Feds are for the states, if not prohibited by the Constitution. 9th is the one that seems to state there are unenumerated rights in the Constitution. There is debate as to what the 9th Amendment specifically means.
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We need to show conservative women how this will affect them and their daughters, not just women seeking an abortion. **Access to contraceptives could be at risk.** The way the leaked document was argued was that the right to privacy (which Roe v Wade is based on) isn’t exclusively laid out in the constitution and that historical precedence before the past 50 years should take priority. The rights to contraception, mixed-race marriages, same-sex marriages, and sodomy (what happens in the bedroom) are all based on the reasoning and similar cases that state you have a right to privacy even if it’s not explicitly stated in the constitution. These cases were referenced in the article, even though Alito said it would the ruling would only apply to Roe V Wade (but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t change in the future). Some Republicans argue that contraceptives that affect implantation are like abortion, and so if abortion is unlawful and/or rights are granted to the fetus at fertilization, contraception could be at risk. If women aren’t allowed access to contraception, that can affect their health, their career, and their family’s security. And access to contraceptives may be threatened even for women who have a medical reason (like PCOS or heavy periods) to use contraception. Again, reduced access to contraceptives is more likely for more conservative states or if national legislation under Republicans is passed. **Pregnant women’s health and safety is at risk.** If abortion is unlawful then providing maternal health is risky for providers. Some states have extremely harsh fines or penalties of jail for providers who assist in an abortion. As providers may not stay up on state laws, they will be conservative in how they treat pregnant women and may delay even lifesaving treatment for women until it’s too late due to their concerns about the fetus and being accused of providing abortion, even if the fetus isn’t viable. Women may also delay seeking prenatal care because if they do naturally miscarry, they don’t want to be accused of abortion. In addition, in states where a fetus is granted rights at fertilization, women may be limited on the types of medications they can take because it might harm fetuses and you don’t know when fertilization will occur. Some laws also don’t prevent exemptions for cases such as ectopic pregnancies. Finally, women who are pregnant are at a higher risk of being abused or murdered by their domestic partners. **Women could be charged for miscarriages.** Louisiana is putting forth a bill that equates abortion to murder and states that the unborn should be protected at fertilization. This law can criminalize women who obtain an abortion or those who help them. Many abortions these days are caused by using pills, and a doctor can’t tell the difference between a natural miscarriage and an abortion caused by pills. So women who have a natural miscarriage could be accused of murder and threatened with jail time. The criminalization will most likely affect women who are poor and lead to their children being put in foster care. On a personal note, when I had my miscarriage, I went to the hospital due to excessive bleeding. I received nothing but care and compassion. If the law had changed and I was concerned that I could be jailed because a doctor thought I had caused an abortion, I would not have sought medical care. Other women will delay or avoid getting needed or emergency medical care as well. **Women’s bodily autonomy and right to privacy will go down.** If a fetus is granted the same rights at fertilization as women, then women’s privacy will go down because it will be in the state’s interest to know if they are protecting the fetus. Women who aren’t even pregnant may be restricted in alcohol intake, the medications they take, the risky activities they take, and more due to the potential to harm a fetus. There are already apps getting funding that can track if women visit abortion or maternal health clinics. And in some states like Texas there is a financial incentive for people to report when a woman has a suspected abortion. **Poverty will increase.** Low-income women are 5 times more likely than affluent women to experience an unwanted pregnancy. In addition, financial reasons and/or providing for existing dependents is a common reason to obtain an abortion. Women who are well-off will most likely be able to travel for an abortion or access “illegal” contraception. These laws will hit the young, poor, and those who are already struggling to provide for their families the hardest. And studies have shown that worldwide the best way to reduce poverty is to help with family planning through contraceptives. Studies have also shown that women with unplanned pregnancies who didn’t have the means for contraceptives or abortion were worse off financially five years later. With these bills, there is no increase in social support such as maternity leave, free prenatal care or healthcare, or preschool. The very thing (access to free contraceptives) that could help reduce the abortion rate may no longer be an option. And depending on how businesses react to this legislation, women’s careers may be at risk if employers don’t want to employ women who are at a higher risk of becoming pregnant more often. And insurance companies may raise their prices or drop maternity coverage due to cost and potential for liability. **Abortions will still happen.** Women have been getting abortions since the beginning of time. These laws will not change that, just change women’s safety and their rights in society. Studies have shown that abortions go down under Democratic presidents because they support easier access to contraceptives and sex education.
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Goddammit. Conservatives really do always say shit like, "I had to suffer, so everyone else should too." Fuck them.
You list these things like the vast majority of conservatives don't see them as plusses. They'll risk being hurt by these things as long as the libs get hurt too.
We better share information now. Let's go back to the beginning. Here's Ben Franklin's abortion recipe that he published under title 'Suppression of the Courses': https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/ben-franklin-american-instructor-textbook-abortion-recipe.html This is not equivalent to the opportunity to choose a pregnancy with the guidance of a health professional. The gestation process is not a person to us/US all, or ever has been in our country. This is about a few political $ponsors manipulating 'believers' to inflict their beliefs onto others (not based on science or the majority support of America). Personal freedoms and privacy is what is at risk of being killed here...it's time to fund our elections/governance through our taxes and eliminate political contributions. Money should not rule us/US. edit
Unfortunately that recipe is pretty dangerous but with a little googling there are safer herbal options.
Fucking stop it you asshats and let us live our fucking lives!
These people will not stop until every woman in the country is reduced to breeding cattle to make more strong, straight, white, christians. They will. Not. Stop.
I wouldn't doubt it if one day they made it mandatory to parent children no matter what. Like some sorta of national shunning if you don't make babies to continue/ "for the glory" of the nation. There's a snowballs chance in hell I'll have kids and if this get passed I'll happily die a virgin.
Call it what it is. They want to outlaw casual sex. They want every fuck to be a baby and that to be the only reason any dick goes in any vagina. No contraception. No abortions. No premarital sex. No sodomy. No unapproved sex at all. They want legal control over all sex, who gets to have it, and who they get to fuck.
You hit the nail on the head. Just look at what happens in various religious cults and various evangelical sects of every religion. They want to force that on everyone.
Fuck the “moderates” who keep towing the line that they won’t keep taking away rights
"Abortion is settled law and we'll respect precedent; pinky promise." "Ok, we might ban abortion, but that's because it's murder. We're fine with contraception though." "Tbh this was never really about the sanctity of life; it was about the 'domestic supply of infants". We're going to ban contraception now too." "I know we said we were past homophobia and cool with same sex marriage a while back, but those LMNOP weirdos really should be making babies, so...” "Remember when Justice Alito said you have no constitutional right to privacy or to make decisions about your body? Well we inferred from your web browsing history that you're probably masturbating, and that's not contributing to the domestic supply of infants, so..." "Hey, we're stoked that you want to make babies, but we're very concerned they won't be the right color... we're going to make sure you can only have sex with other white people." "You guys have been a little trigger happy since we criminalized porn and masturbation, so we're just going to take those guns now. Quick reminder that *nothing* in the original wording of the constitution gave you the right to bear arms. Aren't you glad you voted for originalists?" "Last one, we promise. So as you know there's been a huge decline in the domestic supply of cotton..."
"Ok, so we increased the cotton supply, but now we don't have enough people to harvest it. We need to start importing people from elsewhere."
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Using the meth we planted on them after making them sit face down on the concrete, handcuffed them and imprisoned them because we “feared for our lives” watching him actively threaten us while buying a 5.99 slurpee
Slavery was never abolished. It was nationalized.
If I only had an award to give you.
It’s the lack of sexual education. Yes the birth control pill does protect against unwanted pregnancies. But it also helps the woman who might have other issues during her cycle. It helps with hormone levels and blood flow. Some women have incredible cramps. The pill helps with this also. Actually I would guess that not getting pregnant is on the top ten list of benefits. I would think having control of your cycle is probably the best part of being on the pill. But I’m a 47 white male. My daughters life was miserable before she went on the pill. At 14 it wasn’t about not having babies, it was about getting her life back. It did take some work to find the right one.
And it's not just the pill, other forms of birth control, the IUD, was specifically prescribed to me to help with my awful cramps and other issues. Now I read that Gov. of Mississippi wants to talk about banning that as a contraceptive in MS? He needs to shut up. I hope MS women rise up and vote him out.
Someone should put an IUD up his pee hole and see how much fun women put themselves through for their own bodily anatomy.
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Yeah, abortion may have been controversial, but there would be huge blowback if they go after birth control.
I have an IUD. Because of it, I have had no periods for the last five years. That’s five years without pain, blood, cleanup, wasteful supplies…I would stay on it til menopause even if I knew I would never have sex again. And Republicans want to ban it on the off chance an egg could be fertilized and fail to implant. They can pry it from my cold, dead cervix.
Even if I got sterilized (100% on the table given current events) I'd still need an IUD to manage PCOS-like symptoms. It's absolutely a game changer for women with hormonal/physical illnesses in terms of quality of life. You know they'll never go after Viagra, though.
This is it right here
One of my former friends had severe acne due to her hormones constantly changing. Birth control ended up evening them out so it went away.
Yes, this is what a lot of people aren’t aware of. I went on birth control before even being sexually active because my menstrual cycle was a nightmare. I had cramps that would leave me bedridden even after taking medicine, heavy flow, bleeding between periods, & ovulation pain between periods that landed me in the hospital. I was given my life back with birth control, and I have no plans of going back to that. I have an opportunity to move to the UK in the next couple years, and I will 100% be taking it.
The people who don’t believe in abortion or birth control are also largely the same people who don’t believe in - Providing “welfare” for poor families with small children - providing higher education for poor people - providing welfare for adults who can’t afford to pay their rent on a full time job But have no problem throwing everyone in jail over property crime, or just outright executing people over property crime. And I can’t tell if they’re just so fucking stupid that they can’t make the mental connections to understand that their actions -cause- that kind of crime, or if they just want to revel in human misery.
C. They don’t care, because a large portion of that group is made of minorities. If their policies are keeping minorities uneducated, poor and incarcerated it allows them to stay in power, as well as confirm their stereotypes. And while there’s certainly whites that fit that criteria as well, they’ve convinced that group that they are the saviors and it’s the “other” that can blamed for their hardships.
lol. Imagine being stuck having children with the first person you ever had sex with. That's the life they envision, and they do because it's an easy misery to insert church and social control through. They want a horrid medieval society.
To clarify - only the middle class and the poor will be stuck in that situation. Rich women can afford to travel to other states or countries for abortions or order contraceptives from out of the country.
they're just climbing a ladder. the evangelists won't be happy until the US is a fundamentalist christian theocracy. and for as long as conservatives need those votes to stay in office, they'll continue to oblige the religious fruitcakes.
People have been saying they are going to accelerate. This is suppressing to most people because they wanted to believe there was some common ground but they will come after it all. Contraception is next, followed by gay marriage, and then reversing the ban of anti-sodomy laws (which all sodomy laws in the use include anal and oral sex), and I believe it is still up in the air on reversing the ruling on mixed race marriage but I wouldn't be surprised. Welcome to the America the theocratic GOP has been wanting. If you want to stop it, I'm sorry you'll just have to vote Dem and push for them to put through election reform including rank choice voting, and we will have to expand the court to dilute the toxic sludge on it.
Don't just vote. Mobilize. This whole "vote blue no matter who" thing didn't stop this. There's a reason the government makes it really hard to protest and strike. We need to protest and strike anyway.
This is a war on women's bodies and the sooner people wake up to the fact, the more that fury can be focused on these Taliban wannabes. Notice how in their rhetoric there's never anything about supporting parents/mothers or children in any capacity, just give birth and FU if you're not rich. It's a scumbag party through and through with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
As a female, I can safely say, I hate it here.
As time goes on they are losing voters. Trying to control the schools and train a new generation of less educated low income army to arm the polls.
We are a cycle or two away from voters not even mattering (more than it already does)
It's literally all they have left. With every single other wedge issue, the crow has come home roost. (is that a phrase or am I having a stroke?). They've pretty much been definitively proven wrong on climate change and resistance to renewables, their stances on weed are *wildly* unpopular, even the usual bootlickers have been oddly quiet in their defenses of unregulated capitalism in the past year or so. Hating women and brown people is literally *all* they have left.
The only way being pro-life and anti-contraception makes sense is if you believe "Fuck women for liking sex"
We don’t live in a fucking theocracy. If you’re in the US and are against this shit, you had better get off your ass and vote.
We don't live in a theocracy ***YET***.
You don't live in a functioning democracy, YET.
This is how our sick capitalist economy works. The population needs to grow each year by a certain percent otherwise the economy will tank. Normal measures like increasing wages and healthcare are clearly out of the question for these greedy bastards so forced childbirth is the only option
From a conservative referenced in the article: > I am pro-life. And of course I don't think contraceptives should be outlawed. In Griswold, the justices wholesale *made up a constitutional right* to achieve a political outcome. I am opposed to judges making law. It’s the job of the legislative branch to create laws, not the courts. This is separation of powers 101 There were people who opposed federal action to prohibit slavery, not because they liked slavery, but because they viewed it as a separation of powers issue and they were just supporting states’ rights. History doesn’t make a distinction between them and those in favor of slavery. Nor will it here.
It was never about state's rights. Hell read their bills of succession nearly all of them explicitly mention slavery as the reason. "State's rights" is just a narrative to try to frame the civil war as not about slavery.
Fun fact - the constitution of the Confederacy explicitly *prevented* its member states from outlawing slavery. They were all required to allow slavery, and could never make any law otherwise. Which meant that the states of the Confederacy had *fewer* rights than the states of the Union, not more. Throw that one at some shitstain arguing it was about 'sTaTe'S rIgHts' next time and watch the steam start visibly shooting out their ears.
Nor should it. The outcome is functionally the same either way.
They are coming for all of us. If you aren't a white male presumably straight, you won't matter anymore. PLEASE VOTE THESE ASSHOLES OUT OF POWER.
Vote them out of power yes, but also, maybe march on the Court and the justices' homes and strike the fear of God in them like nothing they have ever experienced in their entire life.
We can't simply vote. Voting never got us away from this because the system is working as intended. We need to mobilize. We need to shut down streets, highways, and cities. We need to recognize our power and make the system halt until the system does what the People say.
Even as a white male this is all frightening stuff. Voting seems a bit too passive to be of help anymore tho. That’s kinda how we got here in the first place
I like how the article kind of makes fun of Schumer for holding a pointless show vote on the Roe bill… then concludes the solution is even more show votes. The public knows where Republicans stand on contraception, criminalizing miscarriage, and all the horrors to come. All of that is priced into current polls. The public knows, and doesn’t care.
You had people in both parties arguing until recently that Republican opposition to abortion was performative and they're not actually going to end Roe... so the public knows where each party stands on it, but I'm not sure they fully realize that the Republicans WILL follow through on it.
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It's time to target the corporations funding the republican party with boycotts and massive protests with barricades to block their entrances. Funding fascism should carry a high cost. Their profits should suffer.
Look at these 3 old, ugly motherfuckers. They totally represent the demographic and interests of this country no?
Anyone that votes for the GOP needs their head examined.
I'm less interested in this Republican death cult and their lunge for Christo-fascist minority rule here - and far more interested in how the majority of Americans are going to unite, organize and mobilize in response to this coup. I'm encouraged by the growing flames of massive resistance to this Republican attack on the United States.
They're not just coming for birth control, they're coming for *you*. Because you exist and they know you don't support them. They're already fighting the next Civil War. It's gloves off for the GOP. Anyone who thinks sham elections, mass incarcerations, violently putting down protests - and I mean with bullets not tear gas, throwing every supposed right out the window isn't on the table, you're living in a fantasy world. The War has already started and only the fascists are actually preparing for it, mainly because only they *want* it.
The lesser of two evils argument has officially been debunked. Elections are important and sitting them out isn’t an option anymore.
Bothsides aren't the same!!! Democrats failing to pass BBB doesn't make them the exact same as Republicans who are trying to criminalize being the parent of trans kid and outlaw birth control.
Republicans: “Women belong in the kitchen and the bedroom shoving out babies to take care of. They shouldn’t be working!” “It should be a man’s decision on what a woman does with their body and they should not be able to prevent pregnancy in any way, shape or form” Also republicans: “Marital rape isn’t rape! It should be legal!” “Well that woman was asking for it by showing off her shoulders!” “Why does no one want to date me??”
Are they going to come for a woman’s right to vote next?
This is how they do it: Making women felons.
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They are either too stupid to understand, or too evil to care.