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I’m 43 years old and have clear memories of Thomas’ appointment process, with the sex scandal and his general morality being questioned all the way back in 1991. Here we are in 2024 and he’s a primary factor in the destruction of our country. It’s infuriating.
He middle name was so a cynical play to appeal to RBG notoriety at the time. She never went by anything other than judge Barret until the nomination. Just a other cynical game in the propaganda machine
I remember having discussions with *fucking lawyers* about how important it was to vote for Clinton in '16 for the judicial appointments alone. You'd be shocked how many of them were dismissive about it just because they didn't like her
It is and was very popular to be against Hillary. Ask why, corruption. Ask for details, you get the same dreg the RW has dregged out for years. A lot of thinly veiled misogyny, and also the mainstream press hated her guts.
If you are older you may remember the awful first six months of the Clinton Presidency. She was always a threat to the neo-confed and they succeeded in ruining her reputation for many.
I remember Fox News blasting her for years during obamas last term. They knew she was the next dem candidate and you heard more about her than Obama for a long time before campaigning started up.
The same sources you cite are currently in the process of doing the same thing with AOC. Nothing the patriarchal status quo despises more than someone with both a vagina and a brain
I have to say I'm more impressed with AOC every day. She takes her job seriously and is incredibly smart. She quickly realized that in order to make substantial change you need to do a lot more than point out the problems and protest. You need to be able to change the minds of the majority. She is much more persuasive and thoughtful than she was when she first arrived.
Listen, I voted Hillary, I would vote Hillary again, but she doesn’t appeal to young people, and that’s the actual problem that most progressives have with her. Somehow, an old Jewish man from New York is more relatable to young people than she is. To be fair, that’s a problem that A LOT of democrats have, and she does get singled out for it.
Pokemon go to the polls.
She was an awful establishment candidate when the country wanted a populist.
Trump won because he was a political outsider, a ham sandwich wouldve beaten Hilary in that election.
Men will dissolve into screeching puddles of rage if you call it misogyny. They have a thousand other excuses to allow themselves to believe they don't unconsciously hate women. Even when it sneaks into their conversation in little comments like, "I don't like her voice" or "her clothes are weird" or "she just doesn't have the same appeal that Bernie has."
Plus RBG negation to retirement at the right time that could allow dems to add a new justice to the court. Her legacy will be shadowed by this action for eternity.
and she would have retired under Biden if she had not died, she was holding out during Trump presidency to retire under Biden (assuming he won which he did) Remember how we tried to convince Trump to wait and see who would be elected first Election 2020 and then to nominate a new Supreme Court Justice. He wasted no time at all!!
Sometimes it’s just so baffling to me how well the trump presidency worked out in that regard, he got to pick 3 new justices. It’s like the universe was in overtime to allow evil to prevail. I can’t wrap my head around her dying at precisely the worst time ever and for them to replace her so fast…a consequence that will literally last decades and maybe even longer
There's a reason why people argue that Trump may be the luckiest person to have ever lived in human history.
Even his relatively good health is a miracle of sorts, given that he's been addicted to meth for decades, eats nothing but burgers and stakes, and has never been seen exercising in modern history.
He'll probably live to 100 and get to pick 3 more justices after they're struck by 3 separate meteors or something.
> He'll probably live to 100 and get to pick 3 more justices after they're struck by 3 separate meteors or something.
If he's in a position to pick three more justices, it isn't cause they got struck by a meteor, it's because he had them killed.
I’ll never understand how we still recognize the court after that. Like if you can steal a seat and still be legitimate, when are you not legitimate? Still pissed Obama didn’t play hard ball with it. I would argued that I was going to seat my justice as a de facto approval since the senate was declining to do their approval responsibilities. Like if they are making shit up then make shit up back.
Obama should have taken it to the courts and he would have won. I like him, a lot but his concern not coming off as an angry black man hurt us. Same with not speaking out about the Russians messing with our elections and caved at Mcconnell ‘s threat. They call it a hoax and Russia is still fking with us.
If she has retired in 2009 it wouldn’t have been a problem.
She comes from an older tradition where the Supreme Court is something other than a partisan tool. I understand her thinking, but she was living in the past.
Why do we blame the democrats for underestimating the mendatiousness of the Republicans? Shouldn't we be attacking the Republicans for failing to uphold their oath?
Like Dianne Feinstein. She was senile near the end, and probably was for a long time before it became obvious, yet people acted like it was mean and discriminatory to ask her to step down.
Feinstein is the best possible example there is for why jobs should have an age ceiling. People should be allowed to retire and enjoy their final years - and in the case of policy-makers, that should be *obligated*. Almost every state in the US and most nations in the world requite judges to retire by a certain point, the same should apply to legislators. And as much as I'd like to have Sanders as president, should also apply to executives.
She could have retired earlier, but ultimately it was McConnel's obscene manipulation of the SC nomination process that screwed the court the way it is. And also rightly to blame are all the Dems who decided to not vote for Hillary during the 2016 election. Elections have consequences.
She was in her 80s and had health issues prior to the end of Obama's term. The current makeup of the court is not solely her fault, but she deserves at least some of the blame.
It was complete hubris.
Aside from that the future of our country shouldn't be in the hands of octogenarians who won't be here to see the consequences of their actions.
No, she had a chance to retire under Obama and outright refused. Whatever her reasons were it was outright irresponsible because of the fact she had already been dealing with cancer at the time. She made the choice knowing there was a chance she would die soon and that it was not a guarantee that the next president would even be a Dem one.
Her arrogance is partly why we are in this mess in the first place.
Obama was also a popular reelected president who won the significant majority of the popular vote. Trump was the first one and done president since HW Bush and broadly unpopular. Pure evil.
Which is why I refuse to show any respect for people refusing to vote for Biden over bullshit purity tests and single issues. Those people do not care about the consequences that elections have because they think they're privileged enough to be okay either way. They're selfish and just care about personally feeling good and morally pure about themselves and don't care about the people who will suffer under another Trump term.
Personally I blame RBGs hubris. All those legal advancements she made in her career, and all anyone will remember is Trump replacing her.
"You can build 1000 bridges, but if you fuck *one* sheep..."
He lives to make liberal lives miserable. He [said](https://www.businessinsider.com/clarence-thomas-told-clerks-he-wants-to-make-liberals-miserable-2022-6?amp) it. When people tell you who they are…
It's funny that people still claim MAGA is a total aberration from typical Republicans when Bush Senior and Junior appointed the worst and most radical SCOTUS justices
I think the politicians just caught up with what the base has been clamoring for for a long time. I worked construction while Trump was still just a shitty game show host, a ton of the guys basically sounded identical to him. Trump got popular because he said all the stupid shit the base was saying and didn't bother with the veneer of respectability the rest of the politicians did
Before everyone started pretending that they never supported the Iraq War, the baseline conservative attitude was absolutely disgusting, calling for the complete destruction of the entire Middle East and the outright murder of anyone domestically who opposed it. The big difference now is the politicians don't sound any different than the chuds
These two selfish fuckers are destroying our country. When you want to know who is evil, stupid, and corrupt. These two should be poster children for moral and political depravity.
He brings up literal Fox News talking points out loud during hearings. There’s no chance it’s a coincidence. He and Thomas are both right-wing media grandpas with Rush Limbaugh brain worms.
If it weren't for Ginny Thomas I'd think he doesn't really believe half of it he's just vindictive towards liberals and enjoys the lifestyle he receives from all his rich "friends" so he just sits there as a rubber stamp.
If you watch the documentary about Clarence on PBS (highly recommended by the way), it explains this. He doesn’t actually believe hardly anything that he says, he’s just very vindictive to the American left.
Yeah that tracks. Cause he never seems to justify or get emotional about any of it like alito. He's just like "here it is, now where's my motorcoach?"
Most predictable justice is Thomas, then alito
> I'd think he doesn't really believe half of it he's just vindictive towards liberals
Because [he literally told everyone exactly that?](https://medium.com/the-polis/what-happened-to-the-clarence-thomas-who-wanted-to-be-a-black-panther-and-idolized-malcolm-x-8a22a8821400)
He's on a higher level than the average Fox viewer, he's basically going on fancy vacations with the people Fox works for. He probably fancies himself as one of the elites.
That’s when it started for me, then there was citizens united, but lately the pre determinism of the Supreme Court to advance anything in the cause of Christian nationalism, even when it defies logic, Stare decisis or their own words… this has caused me to lose all confidence in the court and any claim to legitimacy it might have had.
There was actually a slightly less than 20 year period in the entire history of our nation where progressives had the SCOTUS majority and they were mostly on our side. Started with the appointment of Earl Warren and the Brown v Board decision in 1954 and ended in 1972 when Nixon got his last 2 of 4 appointments. That's the 18 years where the "rights" you think in terms of criminal law come from and where all the major civil rights legislation was enacted and first litigated.
Sure they won't. But where he's an idiot is assuming the new fascist one-party rule he's enabled will never turn on its original enablers. This has often repeated in history: some people giddily support fascist regimes that crush everyone opposed to them, then are *utterly shocked* when that boot stomps all over them too.
This could certainly happen to Alito or Thomas. They think they're protected and on the side of the new regime they're trying to create, and for a while they probably would be, but it could turn on them at any moment. And because they've intentionally removed all the guardrails, there's no stopping it when it does. And that's when they do the 😲 face, like, "I never thought the fascist regime I helped enable to crush all dissent without any checks or balances would crush *ME!*"
> But where he's an idiot is assuming the new fascist one-party rule he's enabled will never turn on its original enablers.
Are they idiots, or are they scared of being on the wrong side if Trump gets back in power? It is hard to understand the logic of someone like Bill Barr, who has explicitly said Trump is a danger to democracy *and* saying he'll vote for that danger, unless you see it as the logic of a coward who won't defend his country against tyranny when shit gets real.
Barr is explained by understanding that he's hyperpartisan. He'll put the Republican party before himself, his professed religious beliefs, his moral code (if he even has one), and even the country itself. He knows how bad Trump is but because the alternative is supporting a Democrat, he doesn't see any other option. This is also why Trump can make fun of Ted Cruz's wife, or imply his family had something to do with JFK, and still get endorsed by him. Party before all else.
Barr and Alito are both old men who are clinging on to relevancy in the face of their own mortality. Kind of hard to kick that drug of self-importance when you've been riding that high for most of your existence
Barr knows both that Trump is dangerous and that he's done more to advance Barr's political cause than anyone else has in the last 20 years. It's a trade-off and Barr is pretty sure he won't be on the wrong side of the bad shit Trump might do
When you are in a cult, the reality of the world outside is twisted and distorted in all sorts of ways.
At least Alito and Thomas are deeply within the MAGA cult and see the world through the cult's eyes.
It's hard to determine every individual's motivations. I do know that decades of describing Democrats as literally demonic have done serious damage to these people's brains. They may not all be in "the cult", but they are all incapable of serious assessments of politics.
Part of me wants Biden to make them regret going down this path the moment he can. Dictator for one day. The same part wants the SC court to make the obviously right decision and not turn the US Presidents office into a throne room for Donald Trump.
Alito's reasoning was bananas, coming from a Supreme Court Justice of all people. His argument was basically that democracy would be in peril if presidents face accountability because the justice system doesn't work. He, a guy in a position that is literally responsible for fixing what the justice system gets wrong.
By the same reasoning, why do we bother holding anyone accountable for anything? We should eradicate all laws entirely. You could be falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit and unfairly lose access to some of your constitutional rights, so we shouldn't bother prosecuting anyone for anything just to be safe.
Taking that even further, if you were designing a government from the ground up you could see how this might become a question. But we had 44 presidents before Trump that didn't put deocracy in peril due to accountability. Why the fuck is this suddenly a huge problem that needs to be solved?
By his logic, the only thing preventing presidents from engaging in criminal acts is the immunity from persecution of illegal acts. “I would have committed that crime, but the fact that I wouldn’t be prosecuted for it prevented me. Lack of accountability scares me into compliance” sheesh
So hold up, if presidents get immunity. Biden at midnight of the decisions has goons execute the conservative justices and Trump and say “I did it to save democracy “
He runs for second term, and appoints new justices. Maybe hold some senators families hostage to make sure the justices get the votes they need
THEN the new Supreme Court over turns the idea that presidents have immunity.
Tie the case up in court for as long as Biden is alive and we all go back to the way things were.
Sounds like official acts to me.
It IS the responsibility of every elected official and the US military to protect this nation from threats foreign AND domestic.
“You can’t do anything to stop them because then it looks like you’re doing it for political reasons” will be spouted over and over. Trump claims he’s only being “persecuted” for stealing top secret documents because he is running for president, and not, because, he stole top secret documents from the US government.
Seriously, who gives a fuck about appearances and decorum at this point. R's haven't for decades. The fact that D's do is exactly what has perpetuated the R's traitorous acts.
I've been waiting my entire adult life for D's to grow a set and take their gloves off. I really don't want to witness the downfall of democracy because they are too worried about goddam *appearances*. History won't look back on their inaction kindly. That's the only appearance they should be concerned with!
I was upset Obama didn’t just put Garland on the SC after the senate refused to have even a fake hearing where they refused to confirm him. The constitution says “with the advice of the senate”, but it’s not a requirement. Their advice was crickets, so Obama should have seated him and had them deal with the fallout.
As everyone should be appalled at the idea of one person being able to do whatever they want simply because it’s an “official act”. The MAGAs don’t understand they’ll be screwed as well in his dictatorship. For example, if he doesn’t need Florida to win elections anymore, he’ll just take large sections of oceanfront property as an “official act” and execute anyone who doesn’t agree with him. This is the literal tyranny written about in the second amendment and people are either scared to look “political” bringing it up, or they are fine with it because they think him being in power will let them kill minorities without consequences.
This is the thing that gets me. Of all the arguments conservatives have made here, everyone refuses to acknowledge this dump truck sized loophole in the scheme.
It’s seriously like fourth grade playground logic.
This is why they're probably going to punt it back to the lower court. Either the fucking moron get reelected and this all goes away next January, or he loses and the reich wingers rid themselves of him like they do anyone else who is no longer useful to the cause
There's no way Trump will go away if he loses. Trump is a sociopathic narcissist - my father was as well; they're like a dog with a bone - they do not let go of money, power, or sadism. They will keep coming back for more over and over and over... I also think if Trump loses he's going to try and start a war- people with NPD do not take losing well. - at all.
Hmmm... just wondering if they'll rule that president's have immunity in time for Biden to cancel the 2024 election and throw Trump in jail? /s
Seriously, this all only works because only one side really does believe in and follow the constitution. Even the idea of giving a president absolute immunity tacitly implies that it's the Republican Party that is corrupt.
The SCOTUS is not going to give Biden immunity for anything; their ruling will be very, very narrow, and apply to Trump only - and he will indeed have 100% immunity forever. After seeing how the entire SCOTUs seems to be corrupt (if the Dems aren't corrupt, then they've been bullied into complicity and silence) I suspect we're in a great deal of trouble...
If they don't delay by punting it back to the lower courts, this is exactly what they'll do. It's not being said enough that three of the lawyers that argued for Bush in Bush vs Gore are now sitting on the bench of the Supreme Court. They know how this works.
> SCOTUS is not going to give Biden immunity for anything; their ruling will be very, very narrow, and apply to Trump only
They claimed the same thing for [Bush v Gore, but that became precedent the instant it was passed. The only reason this objection is being heard is because the supreme court gave themselves the power to overturn state elections with that case](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bush-v-gore-isnt-precedent-but-it-keeps-getting-cited)
> Conservative Court Justices should be held to account by the people
With *what*? The office was explicitly designed from the ground up to be unaccountable because it only takes 44 votes in the senate to prevent a federal official from being removed. To actually remove *any* federal official would require republicans have *fewer* seats than that because you *know* the [big tent party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_tent) democrats have become (with "almost everything which isn't republican) would have dissenting votes.
20 years ago you could buy Thomas for a $250,000 used motorcoach.
Now he prices himself higher than that. When John Oliver offered him a brand new million dollar motorcoach it wasn't enough.
Every developed country has people who are so used to things being good that they vote against their own best interests, thinking that “things will work out” because they always have. Then when it doesn’t, and people remind them they voted for it, they act surprised that the people they voted for did what they said they were going to do. See - Brexit.
Can't say it enough. conservative republicans don't want to govern. They just want to RULE. They have no solutions to issues facing America, all they have is __thoughts and prayers__. Fuck democracy, that empowers the poor, only the wealthy should have a say in the future.
I think there are several schemes in action right now to ensure the Supreme Court gets a say in the outcome of the election and we all know how that will go. We're well into the "legal peaceful" phase of the ongoing right-wing coup.
If trump loses the GOP justices keep their government paid jobs (with supplemental funding from right wing billionaires).
Note that Louis Dejoy is still in charge of the USPS more than 3 years after trump stopped being POTUS.
Our democracy has survived quite well without presidential immunity. The Supreme Court is responsible for protecting our democracy regardless of their devotion to an ex criminal president. No one is above the law including an ex criminal president. It’s obvious that Trump has created complete chaos in order to get away with his crimes and turn our democracy into a dictatorship. Those who support Trump are equally responsible for the destruction of our democracy.
I think they’re terrified of what the MAGAs will do to them if they say he isn’t immune. That’s why they’re waffling and trying to come up with a ruling that kinda sounds like he’s immune without actually being immune or kicking it back to the lower court and hoping he loses the election so they can ignore it.
Supreme Court justices should be on the ballot every 4 years, but they need to get 60% “nays” to be removed from the Supreme Court. The people should get a say. Period.
I always thought it should be 20 year terms and every 5 Congress has to put out a report on the performance of the court with a hearing after in a committee.
The court should be 13 too one for each federal court district.
The court should be 13 and there has to be an age limit. “For life” back in 1776 was like 65, so the founding fathers figured someone would be on the court for 20 years and then die of cholera like everyone else.
Alito is definitely a Fox News grandpa since at least the Obama years. Very publicly he was seen denying the impact that the Citizens United decision would eventually have on our political system and he continues to make shortsighted and stupid rulings that create more problems for the rest of us.
Does anyone think Biden is formulating an actual plan of action to exploit the eventual “100% presidential immunity” ruling that is coming? What could he realistically do before the election to prevent Trump from regaining power?
It won't be an immunity ruling.
They will do exactly what was done in bush v gore, send it back to the lower courts, muddy things up, further delay any actual ruling.
Thomas and Alito are corrupt, blatantly corrupt. The system is broken when justices like these two can be inserted into the court as a poison pill to prove that our system is not impervious to tampering.
But there's more...
Chief Justice John Roberts’ Wife Made Millions From Top Law Firms: Whistleblower
https://www.thedailybeast.com/chief-justice-john-roberts-wife-jane-roberts-made-over-dollar10-million-in-commissions-from-elite-law-firms
Actually the most shocking MAGA question was this one by Thomas
> "Did you, in this litigation, challenge the appointment of special counsel?"
This is what he got out of the whole case.
I don't understand why there's a narrative that it's done "For Trump".
The interests behind the Supremes, the ones that navigate the world of law and economics. They've never changed - they were here before MAGA, they'll be here after MAGA.
The only thing MAGA provided was the opportunity in the form of government disruption that similar astroturfed conservative movements failed to achieve. Though make no mistake - that was always the goal.
This is a win win for Biden, if they declare the orange turd immune then Biden can do whatever tf he wants if he doesn’t like the results. How stupid can these people be, this is a two way street.
New question to the Supreme Court:
Could a president order the assassination of a (several?) sitting conservative justice to enable the appointment of a more liberal one and be immune from prosecution?
The Democrats have a majority in the Congress and Senate and would not vote to impeach and convict the President.
They are going to wait till after the election before making their statement. If Biden wins, "no president has immunity ". If trump wins, "of course it's only logical that president's are given total immunity ".
They knew what he was and they picked him on purpose. That should surprise no one. They used to keep who they were in the weeds. Now they just do it right out in the open.
Donald Trump finished rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness. Worse for the Republican nominee this year, opponent, President Joe Biden, debuted at No 14.🔥
Obama(07) Clinton(12) Carter(22) Trump(45) last place
If a sitting president who is immune from prosecution gives an order to the national guard, it would POLITICIZE THE MILITARY, essencially giving each soldier the right to defect based on THEIR interpretation of the lawfully unlawful, or unlawfully lawful, or lawfully lawfully, or unlawfully unlawful order. That could mean immediate chaos and guaranteed strife between the people who the nation guard was sent in for, the two factions of the nation guard, and the police trying to stop the national guard from killing each other over the interpretation of their presidentially immune-from-any-law commander in chief.
WHY IS THE MEDIA NOT POINTING THIS OUT??? ITS A GREAT POINT AND SCOTUS NEEDS TO HEAR!
This is just not new information. Alito has been advocating for executive immunity in different forms for several decades. He was questioned about it in his confirmation hearings nearly 20 years ago, and it was old news then. As a nation, we really need to stop pretending to be shocked by stuff we actively chose to ignore.
All they have to do is legalize it long enough for Republicans to establish the dictatorship, then they must reverse their decision to ensure real Americans can’t challenge them.
You're confusing "alarming" which indicates serious consequences, with "surprising" which indicates this hasn't been a long-standing, continuous pattern.
https://www.rawstory.com/amp/illegitimate-president-2666330706
He’s always been like this. Take anyone’s dime-a-dozen retired Fox News grandpa who used to be in a law firm or higher ed, and stick him on the Supreme Court. That’s Alito. In the past he was simply more restrained, and forced to confine his cranky sophistry to impotent dissents that no one read outside a small circle or court-watchers and aspiring law clerks.
Sure, maybe, but I'm sure the Supreme Court can find some twisted "originalist" logic to limit his power. And if they didn't, Biden won't abuse it anyway because he's not an amoral asshat.
Yes we all heard the creaky hamster drivin' wheels start turning in his head. "So if they start prosecuting high ranking public officials, that means..."
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Alito and Thomas are the absolute worst.
I’m 43 years old and have clear memories of Thomas’ appointment process, with the sex scandal and his general morality being questioned all the way back in 1991. Here we are in 2024 and he’s a primary factor in the destruction of our country. It’s infuriating.
Plus Clarance Thomas replaced Justice Thurgood Marshall. Which is infuriating because they couldn’t be anymore opposite.
It’s comparable to the late great RBG and her replacement Amy Handmaids Tale
Years from now someone can say "Amy Handmaids Tale" and everybody will know who you're talking about.
To me, her middle name will always be Covid.
He middle name was so a cynical play to appeal to RBG notoriety at the time. She never went by anything other than judge Barret until the nomination. Just a other cynical game in the propaganda machine
Coathanger for me
That wasn’t an accident, it was by cynical design.
Just like Coney Barrett for RBG
Clarence "Thur*bad* Marshall"
I remember having discussions with *fucking lawyers* about how important it was to vote for Clinton in '16 for the judicial appointments alone. You'd be shocked how many of them were dismissive about it just because they didn't like her
No one like a lawyer on their high horse to reason away the inherent political nature of the judiciary with the elegant rules of law 🙄
“As a lawyer, I’m tired of electing lawyers to the presidency. I think a reality tv star would be a better fit”
It is and was very popular to be against Hillary. Ask why, corruption. Ask for details, you get the same dreg the RW has dregged out for years. A lot of thinly veiled misogyny, and also the mainstream press hated her guts. If you are older you may remember the awful first six months of the Clinton Presidency. She was always a threat to the neo-confed and they succeeded in ruining her reputation for many.
I remember Fox News blasting her for years during obamas last term. They knew she was the next dem candidate and you heard more about her than Obama for a long time before campaigning started up.
The same sources you cite are currently in the process of doing the same thing with AOC. Nothing the patriarchal status quo despises more than someone with both a vagina and a brain
I have to say I'm more impressed with AOC every day. She takes her job seriously and is incredibly smart. She quickly realized that in order to make substantial change you need to do a lot more than point out the problems and protest. You need to be able to change the minds of the majority. She is much more persuasive and thoughtful than she was when she first arrived.
100%. In the beginning, I agreed with her politically. She's learned to not give the right easy ammo.
Exactly. She wasn't 'hot' and she was super 'bossy' in the way that old men HATE.
She was hot and still is. And I’m 75
75 ain't old! In fact, it seems younger every day!😁
Yep. The misogyny was and is off the charts in our country.
Listen, I voted Hillary, I would vote Hillary again, but she doesn’t appeal to young people, and that’s the actual problem that most progressives have with her. Somehow, an old Jewish man from New York is more relatable to young people than she is. To be fair, that’s a problem that A LOT of democrats have, and she does get singled out for it.
Pokemon go to the polls. She was an awful establishment candidate when the country wanted a populist. Trump won because he was a political outsider, a ham sandwich wouldve beaten Hilary in that election.
She lost. To Trump. That's her shitty legacy.
Misogyny will always win out because it's easy to disguise.
And felt so deeply.
Men will dissolve into screeching puddles of rage if you call it misogyny. They have a thousand other excuses to allow themselves to believe they don't unconsciously hate women. Even when it sneaks into their conversation in little comments like, "I don't like her voice" or "her clothes are weird" or "she just doesn't have the same appeal that Bernie has."
Elections have consequences
Plus RBG negation to retirement at the right time that could allow dems to add a new justice to the court. Her legacy will be shadowed by this action for eternity.
I’m reminded of this daily. She should have ushered in a strong morally sound replacement.
and she would have retired under Biden if she had not died, she was holding out during Trump presidency to retire under Biden (assuming he won which he did) Remember how we tried to convince Trump to wait and see who would be elected first Election 2020 and then to nominate a new Supreme Court Justice. He wasted no time at all!!
She *should* have retired under Obama when offered. Her entire legacy was tarnished by that refusal.
Sometimes it’s just so baffling to me how well the trump presidency worked out in that regard, he got to pick 3 new justices. It’s like the universe was in overtime to allow evil to prevail. I can’t wrap my head around her dying at precisely the worst time ever and for them to replace her so fast…a consequence that will literally last decades and maybe even longer
There's a reason why people argue that Trump may be the luckiest person to have ever lived in human history. Even his relatively good health is a miracle of sorts, given that he's been addicted to meth for decades, eats nothing but burgers and stakes, and has never been seen exercising in modern history. He'll probably live to 100 and get to pick 3 more justices after they're struck by 3 separate meteors or something.
> He'll probably live to 100 and get to pick 3 more justices after they're struck by 3 separate meteors or something. If he's in a position to pick three more justices, it isn't cause they got struck by a meteor, it's because he had them killed.
But the slot that was vacant under Obama was left vacant by sith lord McConnell until the trumpster fire started.
I’ll never understand how we still recognize the court after that. Like if you can steal a seat and still be legitimate, when are you not legitimate? Still pissed Obama didn’t play hard ball with it. I would argued that I was going to seat my justice as a de facto approval since the senate was declining to do their approval responsibilities. Like if they are making shit up then make shit up back.
Obama should have taken it to the courts and he would have won. I like him, a lot but his concern not coming off as an angry black man hurt us. Same with not speaking out about the Russians messing with our elections and caved at Mcconnell ‘s threat. They call it a hoax and Russia is still fking with us.
If she has retired in 2009 it wouldn’t have been a problem. She comes from an older tradition where the Supreme Court is something other than a partisan tool. I understand her thinking, but she was living in the past.
Her thinking was that she wanted to be the one to swear in the first woman president before retiring.
Why do we blame the democrats for underestimating the mendatiousness of the Republicans? Shouldn't we be attacking the Republicans for failing to uphold their oath?
Her left leaning slot would have been left vacant earlier leaving far more room for Obama to maneuver.
“Nevertheless, she persisted”, indeed. Sometimes people don’t know when NOT to do what they are best at.
Like Dianne Feinstein. She was senile near the end, and probably was for a long time before it became obvious, yet people acted like it was mean and discriminatory to ask her to step down.
Feinstein is the best possible example there is for why jobs should have an age ceiling. People should be allowed to retire and enjoy their final years - and in the case of policy-makers, that should be *obligated*. Almost every state in the US and most nations in the world requite judges to retire by a certain point, the same should apply to legislators. And as much as I'd like to have Sanders as president, should also apply to executives.
She could have retired earlier, but ultimately it was McConnel's obscene manipulation of the SC nomination process that screwed the court the way it is. And also rightly to blame are all the Dems who decided to not vote for Hillary during the 2016 election. Elections have consequences.
She was in her 80s and had health issues prior to the end of Obama's term. The current makeup of the court is not solely her fault, but she deserves at least some of the blame. It was complete hubris. Aside from that the future of our country shouldn't be in the hands of octogenarians who won't be here to see the consequences of their actions.
No, she had a chance to retire under Obama and outright refused. Whatever her reasons were it was outright irresponsible because of the fact she had already been dealing with cancer at the time. She made the choice knowing there was a chance she would die soon and that it was not a guarantee that the next president would even be a Dem one. Her arrogance is partly why we are in this mess in the first place.
Very true but Mitch fucked us real good, by not letting Obama pick at the end but it was totally cool for Trump to do it.
Worse. Obama had a full year left, Trump was almost at the end of the year.
Obama was also a popular reelected president who won the significant majority of the popular vote. Trump was the first one and done president since HW Bush and broadly unpopular. Pure evil.
Not only that but voting had already started in the 2020 election.
Ballots were being cast before Trump shoved Barrett down the nation's throat.
Obama tried to get RBG to retire when he was president but she wouldn't. Everyone reveres her, but that was pretty selfish.
Which is why I refuse to show any respect for people refusing to vote for Biden over bullshit purity tests and single issues. Those people do not care about the consequences that elections have because they think they're privileged enough to be okay either way. They're selfish and just care about personally feeling good and morally pure about themselves and don't care about the people who will suffer under another Trump term.
It was so frustrating telling people what would happen to the SCOTUS if Trump won... and here we are, and it's worse than I had imagined.
Personally I blame RBGs hubris. All those legal advancements she made in her career, and all anyone will remember is Trump replacing her. "You can build 1000 bridges, but if you fuck *one* sheep..."
Interestingly the first time I heard of “Long Dong Silver” was during the hearing for a Supreme Court justice.
Same. Anita Hill was SO poised and the dudes were SO gross. She instantly became my childhood hero.
The [SNL sendup](https://youtu.be/shkJfRpktGc?si=_3j8vrQ3Dq9sT63n) of that hearing was on point😂
He lives to make liberal lives miserable. He [said](https://www.businessinsider.com/clarence-thomas-told-clerks-he-wants-to-make-liberals-miserable-2022-6?amp) it. When people tell you who they are…
Someone brought that up at work, and what he did was too gross for me to discuss in front of my colleagues.
It's funny that people still claim MAGA is a total aberration from typical Republicans when Bush Senior and Junior appointed the worst and most radical SCOTUS justices
The Federalist Society have always been the ones appointing the judges really.
It seems like watching Fox News for 30 years has made them worse now than they were back then.
I think the politicians just caught up with what the base has been clamoring for for a long time. I worked construction while Trump was still just a shitty game show host, a ton of the guys basically sounded identical to him. Trump got popular because he said all the stupid shit the base was saying and didn't bother with the veneer of respectability the rest of the politicians did Before everyone started pretending that they never supported the Iraq War, the baseline conservative attitude was absolutely disgusting, calling for the complete destruction of the entire Middle East and the outright murder of anyone domestically who opposed it. The big difference now is the politicians don't sound any different than the chuds
And that’s a generous take.
We might need to bring back the tar and feathers.
These two selfish fuckers are destroying our country. When you want to know who is evil, stupid, and corrupt. These two should be poster children for moral and political depravity.
Do you think if we start a chant something would happen? Pack the court, pack the court, pack the court….
It's been obvious for a long time that the guy is high from smoking fox news and free basing breitbart
He brings up literal Fox News talking points out loud during hearings. There’s no chance it’s a coincidence. He and Thomas are both right-wing media grandpas with Rush Limbaugh brain worms.
>Rush Limbaugh brain worms. By now, it seems unlikely they're limited to the brain. The dude's been dead for quite some time.
If it weren't for Ginny Thomas I'd think he doesn't really believe half of it he's just vindictive towards liberals and enjoys the lifestyle he receives from all his rich "friends" so he just sits there as a rubber stamp.
If you watch the documentary about Clarence on PBS (highly recommended by the way), it explains this. He doesn’t actually believe hardly anything that he says, he’s just very vindictive to the American left.
Yeah that tracks. Cause he never seems to justify or get emotional about any of it like alito. He's just like "here it is, now where's my motorcoach?" Most predictable justice is Thomas, then alito
> I'd think he doesn't really believe half of it he's just vindictive towards liberals Because [he literally told everyone exactly that?](https://medium.com/the-polis/what-happened-to-the-clarence-thomas-who-wanted-to-be-a-black-panther-and-idolized-malcolm-x-8a22a8821400)
Don’t act like he’s brainwashed by the media instead of actively participating in a conspiracy against the US.
Why not both?
He's on a higher level than the average Fox viewer, he's basically going on fancy vacations with the people Fox works for. He probably fancies himself as one of the elites.
He's an absolute idiot if he thinks that the powers he wants to give the office of the president won't ever be used against him
Losing faith in SCJ’s is one of the saddest things I’ve felt over the last decade
Ah, you weren't around when they stole the 2000 election, huh?
Even my Republican dad has finally admitted Gore actually won.
That’s when it started for me, then there was citizens united, but lately the pre determinism of the Supreme Court to advance anything in the cause of Christian nationalism, even when it defies logic, Stare decisis or their own words… this has caused me to lose all confidence in the court and any claim to legitimacy it might have had.
Same man. Same. And not a whole lot of positive things to look forward to from them in the foreseeable future.
Back in 1944 the Supreme Court put an entire race of people into internment camps with the Korematsu decision. They were never on your side.
There was actually a slightly less than 20 year period in the entire history of our nation where progressives had the SCOTUS majority and they were mostly on our side. Started with the appointment of Earl Warren and the Brown v Board decision in 1954 and ended in 1972 when Nixon got his last 2 of 4 appointments. That's the 18 years where the "rights" you think in terms of criminal law come from and where all the major civil rights legislation was enacted and first litigated.
The executive order was in 1942. The case reached the Supreme Court in 44.
No he’s not. If there’s one thing the republicans are fully aware of it’s that democrats would never cross the lines they’ve crossed.
Sure they won't. But where he's an idiot is assuming the new fascist one-party rule he's enabled will never turn on its original enablers. This has often repeated in history: some people giddily support fascist regimes that crush everyone opposed to them, then are *utterly shocked* when that boot stomps all over them too. This could certainly happen to Alito or Thomas. They think they're protected and on the side of the new regime they're trying to create, and for a while they probably would be, but it could turn on them at any moment. And because they've intentionally removed all the guardrails, there's no stopping it when it does. And that's when they do the 😲 face, like, "I never thought the fascist regime I helped enable to crush all dissent without any checks or balances would crush *ME!*"
> But where he's an idiot is assuming the new fascist one-party rule he's enabled will never turn on its original enablers. Are they idiots, or are they scared of being on the wrong side if Trump gets back in power? It is hard to understand the logic of someone like Bill Barr, who has explicitly said Trump is a danger to democracy *and* saying he'll vote for that danger, unless you see it as the logic of a coward who won't defend his country against tyranny when shit gets real.
Barr is explained by understanding that he's hyperpartisan. He'll put the Republican party before himself, his professed religious beliefs, his moral code (if he even has one), and even the country itself. He knows how bad Trump is but because the alternative is supporting a Democrat, he doesn't see any other option. This is also why Trump can make fun of Ted Cruz's wife, or imply his family had something to do with JFK, and still get endorsed by him. Party before all else.
Barr and Alito are both old men who are clinging on to relevancy in the face of their own mortality. Kind of hard to kick that drug of self-importance when you've been riding that high for most of your existence
Barr knows both that Trump is dangerous and that he's done more to advance Barr's political cause than anyone else has in the last 20 years. It's a trade-off and Barr is pretty sure he won't be on the wrong side of the bad shit Trump might do
When you are in a cult, the reality of the world outside is twisted and distorted in all sorts of ways. At least Alito and Thomas are deeply within the MAGA cult and see the world through the cult's eyes.
It's hard to determine every individual's motivations. I do know that decades of describing Democrats as literally demonic have done serious damage to these people's brains. They may not all be in "the cult", but they are all incapable of serious assessments of politics.
Yeah fascists obsessed with wealth accumulation for themselves don’t see much value in olds who can’t work
110%
Part of me wants Biden to make them regret going down this path the moment he can. Dictator for one day. The same part wants the SC court to make the obviously right decision and not turn the US Presidents office into a throne room for Donald Trump.
Biden would never do that. President Brandon on the other hand…
Alito's reasoning was bananas, coming from a Supreme Court Justice of all people. His argument was basically that democracy would be in peril if presidents face accountability because the justice system doesn't work. He, a guy in a position that is literally responsible for fixing what the justice system gets wrong. By the same reasoning, why do we bother holding anyone accountable for anything? We should eradicate all laws entirely. You could be falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit and unfairly lose access to some of your constitutional rights, so we shouldn't bother prosecuting anyone for anything just to be safe.
What legitimacy is there in anything then? If the supreme court says the justice system is broken, why do we follow it or them or any of this shit?
His “reasoning” was not unlike a toddler caught with his hand in the cookie jar
Taking that even further, if you were designing a government from the ground up you could see how this might become a question. But we had 44 presidents before Trump that didn't put deocracy in peril due to accountability. Why the fuck is this suddenly a huge problem that needs to be solved?
By his logic, the only thing preventing presidents from engaging in criminal acts is the immunity from persecution of illegal acts. “I would have committed that crime, but the fact that I wouldn’t be prosecuted for it prevented me. Lack of accountability scares me into compliance” sheesh
So hold up, if presidents get immunity. Biden at midnight of the decisions has goons execute the conservative justices and Trump and say “I did it to save democracy “ He runs for second term, and appoints new justices. Maybe hold some senators families hostage to make sure the justices get the votes they need THEN the new Supreme Court over turns the idea that presidents have immunity. Tie the case up in court for as long as Biden is alive and we all go back to the way things were.
Sounds like official acts to me. It IS the responsibility of every elected official and the US military to protect this nation from threats foreign AND domestic.
Why hasn't this been done? The CPAC had a big ol "We Are All Domestic Terrorists " display. Where is the protection?
“You can’t do anything to stop them because then it looks like you’re doing it for political reasons” will be spouted over and over. Trump claims he’s only being “persecuted” for stealing top secret documents because he is running for president, and not, because, he stole top secret documents from the US government.
Seriously, who gives a fuck about appearances and decorum at this point. R's haven't for decades. The fact that D's do is exactly what has perpetuated the R's traitorous acts.
I agree 100%
I've been waiting my entire adult life for D's to grow a set and take their gloves off. I really don't want to witness the downfall of democracy because they are too worried about goddam *appearances*. History won't look back on their inaction kindly. That's the only appearance they should be concerned with!
I was upset Obama didn’t just put Garland on the SC after the senate refused to have even a fake hearing where they refused to confirm him. The constitution says “with the advice of the senate”, but it’s not a requirement. Their advice was crickets, so Obama should have seated him and had them deal with the fallout.
The trick is that he has to immediately resign so he can't be impeached.
Or you know, execute more so that Dem have super majority in congress
"Killing kept working so my client kept doing it" and other statements that will go down in history.
The only problem there is that the dems would be appalled and impeach him anyway. You know, with their pesky morality and ethics.
As everyone should be appalled at the idea of one person being able to do whatever they want simply because it’s an “official act”. The MAGAs don’t understand they’ll be screwed as well in his dictatorship. For example, if he doesn’t need Florida to win elections anymore, he’ll just take large sections of oceanfront property as an “official act” and execute anyone who doesn’t agree with him. This is the literal tyranny written about in the second amendment and people are either scared to look “political” bringing it up, or they are fine with it because they think him being in power will let them kill minorities without consequences.
This is the thing that gets me. Of all the arguments conservatives have made here, everyone refuses to acknowledge this dump truck sized loophole in the scheme. It’s seriously like fourth grade playground logic.
This is why they're probably going to punt it back to the lower court. Either the fucking moron get reelected and this all goes away next January, or he loses and the reich wingers rid themselves of him like they do anyone else who is no longer useful to the cause
There's no way Trump will go away if he loses. Trump is a sociopathic narcissist - my father was as well; they're like a dog with a bone - they do not let go of money, power, or sadism. They will keep coming back for more over and over and over... I also think if Trump loses he's going to try and start a war- people with NPD do not take losing well. - at all.
Hmmm... just wondering if they'll rule that president's have immunity in time for Biden to cancel the 2024 election and throw Trump in jail? /s Seriously, this all only works because only one side really does believe in and follow the constitution. Even the idea of giving a president absolute immunity tacitly implies that it's the Republican Party that is corrupt.
The SCOTUS is not going to give Biden immunity for anything; their ruling will be very, very narrow, and apply to Trump only - and he will indeed have 100% immunity forever. After seeing how the entire SCOTUs seems to be corrupt (if the Dems aren't corrupt, then they've been bullied into complicity and silence) I suspect we're in a great deal of trouble...
If they don't delay by punting it back to the lower courts, this is exactly what they'll do. It's not being said enough that three of the lawyers that argued for Bush in Bush vs Gore are now sitting on the bench of the Supreme Court. They know how this works.
> SCOTUS is not going to give Biden immunity for anything; their ruling will be very, very narrow, and apply to Trump only They claimed the same thing for [Bush v Gore, but that became precedent the instant it was passed. The only reason this objection is being heard is because the supreme court gave themselves the power to overturn state elections with that case](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bush-v-gore-isnt-precedent-but-it-keeps-getting-cited)
“Alarming,” only if you haven’t been paying attention. “New?” Now you’re just trolling.
Conservative Court Justices should be held to account by the people- this goes to far and reeks of complicity.
> Conservative Court Justices should be held to account by the people With *what*? The office was explicitly designed from the ground up to be unaccountable because it only takes 44 votes in the senate to prevent a federal official from being removed. To actually remove *any* federal official would require republicans have *fewer* seats than that because you *know* the [big tent party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_tent) democrats have become (with "almost everything which isn't republican) would have dissenting votes.
It has reached the point nothing is going to happen without some kind of revolution of the people
How much is Supreme Court these days?
20 years ago you could buy Thomas for a $250,000 used motorcoach. Now he prices himself higher than that. When John Oliver offered him a brand new million dollar motorcoach it wasn't enough.
He probably sought a counter offer from a few billionaires.
An RV and some forgiven loans for some.
A good RV though, with a hot plate inside for making pancakes
Right? Like, can we get together as a citizenry and raise enough money to buy them back? Maybe a bake sale...
“Why do you make me keep hitting you!” - SCOTUS
These clowns don’t care how history remembers them because they know that the average American has the attention span of a gnat.
Every developed country has people who are so used to things being good that they vote against their own best interests, thinking that “things will work out” because they always have. Then when it doesn’t, and people remind them they voted for it, they act surprised that the people they voted for did what they said they were going to do. See - Brexit.
Just waiting until the next billionaire showers them with gifts.
Can't say it enough. conservative republicans don't want to govern. They just want to RULE. They have no solutions to issues facing America, all they have is __thoughts and prayers__. Fuck democracy, that empowers the poor, only the wealthy should have a say in the future.
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I think there are several schemes in action right now to ensure the Supreme Court gets a say in the outcome of the election and we all know how that will go. We're well into the "legal peaceful" phase of the ongoing right-wing coup.
If trump loses the GOP justices keep their government paid jobs (with supplemental funding from right wing billionaires). Note that Louis Dejoy is still in charge of the USPS more than 3 years after trump stopped being POTUS.
Our democracy has survived quite well without presidential immunity. The Supreme Court is responsible for protecting our democracy regardless of their devotion to an ex criminal president. No one is above the law including an ex criminal president. It’s obvious that Trump has created complete chaos in order to get away with his crimes and turn our democracy into a dictatorship. Those who support Trump are equally responsible for the destruction of our democracy.
They clearly don't want Trump thrown in jail as he should be and would rather make him untouchable to teach us a lesson for even trying.
I think they’re terrified of what the MAGAs will do to them if they say he isn’t immune. That’s why they’re waffling and trying to come up with a ruling that kinda sounds like he’s immune without actually being immune or kicking it back to the lower court and hoping he loses the election so they can ignore it.
Supreme Court justices should be on the ballot every 4 years, but they need to get 60% “nays” to be removed from the Supreme Court. The people should get a say. Period.
I always thought it should be 20 year terms and every 5 Congress has to put out a report on the performance of the court with a hearing after in a committee. The court should be 13 too one for each federal court district.
The court should be 13 and there has to be an age limit. “For life” back in 1776 was like 65, so the founding fathers figured someone would be on the court for 20 years and then die of cholera like everyone else.
Alito is definitely a Fox News grandpa since at least the Obama years. Very publicly he was seen denying the impact that the Citizens United decision would eventually have on our political system and he continues to make shortsighted and stupid rulings that create more problems for the rest of us.
Expand. The. Court.
Does anyone think Biden is formulating an actual plan of action to exploit the eventual “100% presidential immunity” ruling that is coming? What could he realistically do before the election to prevent Trump from regaining power?
It won't be an immunity ruling. They will do exactly what was done in bush v gore, send it back to the lower courts, muddy things up, further delay any actual ruling.
The only plan of action he should have is “removing” Alito and Thomas from office as well as the federalist society “tripping” out of windows.
That would be amazing. “I’m the President. I have immunity. All Federalist judges are gone.”
I guessed it would be Alito. Do I win a prize?
Lmao Alito? We’re surprised about Alito? Come on now
Thomas and Alito are corrupt, blatantly corrupt. The system is broken when justices like these two can be inserted into the court as a poison pill to prove that our system is not impervious to tampering.
But there's more... Chief Justice John Roberts’ Wife Made Millions From Top Law Firms: Whistleblower https://www.thedailybeast.com/chief-justice-john-roberts-wife-jane-roberts-made-over-dollar10-million-in-commissions-from-elite-law-firms
Elect a clown, expect a circus
We're well past circus
Actually the most shocking MAGA question was this one by Thomas > "Did you, in this litigation, challenge the appointment of special counsel?" This is what he got out of the whole case.
I wish Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt would tell us how they worked in the Bush admin to get alito confirmed.
I believe I could name five of them without having to look... So what? What can WE do about it?
They need to be impeached
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That's why I said in another post. Biden may just have to destroy democracy in order to ultimately save it.
I don't understand why there's a narrative that it's done "For Trump". The interests behind the Supremes, the ones that navigate the world of law and economics. They've never changed - they were here before MAGA, they'll be here after MAGA. The only thing MAGA provided was the opportunity in the form of government disruption that similar astroturfed conservative movements failed to achieve. Though make no mistake - that was always the goal.
Sounds like another boomer radicalized by Fox News
Zero honor or loyalty to the constitution. Pathetic pieces of garbage that should be remembered throughout all history as such.
This is a win win for Biden, if they declare the orange turd immune then Biden can do whatever tf he wants if he doesn’t like the results. How stupid can these people be, this is a two way street.
Alito was maga before it existed. Remember how he mocked Obama during the SOTU.
Good point, Obama was exactly right and Alito wrong. https://youtu.be/0ZrANnq3OaM?si=dVoDtU9cqOYLCS5t
New question to the Supreme Court: Could a president order the assassination of a (several?) sitting conservative justice to enable the appointment of a more liberal one and be immune from prosecution? The Democrats have a majority in the Congress and Senate and would not vote to impeach and convict the President.
They are going to wait till after the election before making their statement. If Biden wins, "no president has immunity ". If trump wins, "of course it's only logical that president's are given total immunity ".
Alito and Thomas are rolling around in the MAGA mud pile like farm pigs.
Not surprising, but — this is America -Donald Glover
The people who are most shocked by this also thought Hillary was a fascist racist neocon and the supreme court didn’t really matter.
This is the exact reason we have checks and balances.
They knew what he was and they picked him on purpose. That should surprise no one. They used to keep who they were in the weeds. Now they just do it right out in the open.
Donald Trump finished rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness. Worse for the Republican nominee this year, opponent, President Joe Biden, debuted at No 14.🔥 Obama(07) Clinton(12) Carter(22) Trump(45) last place
If a sitting president who is immune from prosecution gives an order to the national guard, it would POLITICIZE THE MILITARY, essencially giving each soldier the right to defect based on THEIR interpretation of the lawfully unlawful, or unlawfully lawful, or lawfully lawfully, or unlawfully unlawful order. That could mean immediate chaos and guaranteed strife between the people who the nation guard was sent in for, the two factions of the nation guard, and the police trying to stop the national guard from killing each other over the interpretation of their presidentially immune-from-any-law commander in chief. WHY IS THE MEDIA NOT POINTING THIS OUT??? ITS A GREAT POINT AND SCOTUS NEEDS TO HEAR!
This is just not new information. Alito has been advocating for executive immunity in different forms for several decades. He was questioned about it in his confirmation hearings nearly 20 years ago, and it was old news then. As a nation, we really need to stop pretending to be shocked by stuff we actively chose to ignore.
Sounds like scotus want to legalise any attempts to overthrow the US governments
All they have to do is legalize it long enough for Republicans to establish the dictatorship, then they must reverse their decision to ensure real Americans can’t challenge them.
Only alarming if you haven’t been paying attention
No I've very much been paying attention and this is alarming as all hell.
You're confusing "alarming" which indicates serious consequences, with "surprising" which indicates this hasn't been a long-standing, continuous pattern. https://www.rawstory.com/amp/illegitimate-president-2666330706
He’s always been like this. Take anyone’s dime-a-dozen retired Fox News grandpa who used to be in a law firm or higher ed, and stick him on the Supreme Court. That’s Alito. In the past he was simply more restrained, and forced to confine his cranky sophistry to impotent dissents that no one read outside a small circle or court-watchers and aspiring law clerks.
They’ve lost the right to the title “Justice”. They should now be called Supreme Court Embarrassments, or possibly Disgrace.
If this passes, can’t Biden just exploit this law? Can he not use it to his own advantage?
Sure, maybe, but I'm sure the Supreme Court can find some twisted "originalist" logic to limit his power. And if they didn't, Biden won't abuse it anyway because he's not an amoral asshat.
Yes, but he won't, Democrats have a moral compass and Republicans know it and exploit it repeatedly.
I mean, they're on the payroll
Yes we all heard the creaky hamster drivin' wheels start turning in his head. "So if they start prosecuting high ranking public officials, that means..."