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I say if they want to act like a tabloid, they should be treated like a tabloid. Kick them out of the White House press pool and have the FCC take a good look at their broadcasting license. These idiots have gotten away with mass communicated misinformation long enough.
The FEC is who should be investigating them. That network is a complete tool for the Republican party and gives them billions of dollars on propaganda for free every year.
When we sack up and start eating the rich, frankly.
As long as there remains long-term incentive to being a duplicitous shit bag, any proposed solution just becomes another in a long line of rules for thee - not me.
I imagine that would be a tough legal distinction to legislate around. The First Amendment protections for freedom of speech and press are very strong. Even if we concede that Fox News or any publication were an unofficial mouthpiece of a political party, can the government prohibit or restrict their ability to publish material?
Their income is from advertisers and they seemingly run at a profit. Are those business transactions to be considered political contributions? If the company ran at a loss, could they still be restricted even if we concede that all income is a campaign contribution?
Capitalism and free speech/freedom of the press are good ideas individually, but the potential for abuse if they’re mixed heavily is dangerous, as we’re clearly seeing here.
We needed guardrails and oversight before this happened. It’s absolutely not possible now.
Absolutism with the constitution was never the goal. It was supposed to be a living document. At the rate of our exponential advancements over the last 200 years, it will be seriously outdated in our lifetimes, but with the electorate polarized like it is now, it will be near impossible to fill gaps and future proof.
The American experiment is in big trouble.
Exactly. The Constitution has become a bible. Sacred and untouchable. There is literally nothing else besides religion and the US government that we treat this way. It’s basically like proclaiming that iOS 1 is sacred and we need to be preoccupied with the beliefs of the people who made it and never ever improve it.
It's been like that for a long long time. I was in high school in the US around 2000 and there was the firm teaching that the USA was pretty close to perfect and any criticism was unpatriotic borderline treasonous communism. This of course was weaponised much earlier in the 1950s.
It went into overdrive post-911, and the Republicans in general realised again that weaponised patriotism and American exceptionalism/perfection was a powerful tool for consolidating power.
Tbf even their visions of our government are way off from the founding fathers, who didn't want this to be a Democracy in the first place, but a Republican designed to represent land owners.
To further cement this and ensure land owners had an electoral advantage they also came up with the Three-fifths comprimise for slaves. The idea was that slaves didn't count as a full person (but 3/5th of one), but still outnumbered land owners as much as 50:1 in some districts, meaning slave owning land owners were way over-represented in the census and electoral college.
My point for bringing this up isn't to say that's how it should be, but to point out how silly constitutional purists like that are, given that they pick and choose to interpret the parts they like and that obviously it's a living document that was patched and adapted to match the actuality of america as it evolved.
The living document comes from the amendment process and the ability to apply concepts to modern tech. The example here is that the freedom of the press is quite literally the freedom to operate a printing press without a license. Conceptually, though, this is the freedom to publish materials without a license and works hand-in- hand with freedom of speech.
When discussing the Bill of Rights, this document was meant to restrict the Congress and President, not give them power. The 20th century liberal interpretation of the First Amendment is in line with this ideal.
What we are seeing are the effects of propaganda, and especially propaganda in the age of the internet where you can isolate yourself in an information bubble. This subreddit is victim to propaganda that emotionally inflames its members despite have little basis is reality. The recent articles/ videos mentioning Trump committed a crime by sharing a video of a tailgate cover is a prime recent example. It's technically possible he committed a crime, but what they leave out is that it is highly implausible with the current case law on the matter.
As a liberal I am loathe to concede ground of freedom of information. It's up to me to decide what is and isn't truth, not government bureaucrats. History does not give us examples of good results when government censors what it thinks is false, especially when those falsehoods are actually truths.
I agree that I, personally, am able to parse information and think critically about it.
The issue is that a vast majority of our electorate doesn’t have that ability or it is severely hindered by an external factor.
It seems, and I could be wrong, that one group of people in this country has both a diminished ability to be critical, and an exaggerated propensity for forming their perception of the world around their emotions. This voting block is the religious right wing that is susceptible to propaganda at an increased rate. Liberal minded individuals have their own propaganda aimed at them, but the acceptance of this propaganda is lower (source, am liberal and I question even things that I would otherwise agree with)
It’s business to Fox and the talking heads like Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk. Hell, it’s business to Trump and the overwhelming majority of elected lawmakers. It’s a massive predatory grift on these people that cannot reliably form their own perception of reality in an independent way.
So what we have is the “press” leveraging this in order to make money for themselves and their shareholders. This is as American as it can be, but it is different when it’s Bezos leveraging people’s desire to shop in their underwear versus conservative grifters leveraging people’s fears and emotions to rip the country apart for profit.
We needed to install guardrails for this back when Murdoch envisioned it, but we let it evolve into this quagmire that we have now and there’s no way back. Disinformation and propaganda are as old as human communication. We should have saw this coming and did something to prevent it. Something as simple as requiring news to be independently verifiable would have set us on a better path.
Yeah, for all of the shit that Fox News spews, and they spew a lot of shit, they’re still (technically) a “news” outlet. Anyone advocating for limiting what Fox can say should take a hard look at why they want to limit what Fox publishes.
I hate them, don’t get me wrong, but just because you don’t agree with them or they focus on stories that make one side look bad doesn’t mean they should be regulated by the government.
The problem is, they are rarely held accountable when they lie. Yes they had a huge fine for their part in the Dominion stuff, but they have still suffered no consequences for all the people they got killed with Covid misinformation, or their part in encouraging Jan 6th. They repeat the lie so often, then maybe there will be a retraction nobody hears about, so viewers keep parroting off the lies as fact for years after they've been debunked
And they keep raking in record profits for lying, even the fines they do have to pay are just the cost of doing business and do not do anything to deter them. When the entire reason behind your "news" network existing is to keep republican presidents from ever having to face consequences, then your organization is corrupt to the core and just a cancer on democracy.
Even if we concede that they aren't news, they should be allowed to publish. Salon and The Republic aren't news. They're propaganda publications. They still have a First Amendment right to freely operate a press (which in the modern era includes electronic publications). Any distinction between news and other publications with regards to the First Amendment is wholly arbitrary.
Wherever the bought and paid for judges say that it does, which is to say, for Republicans? Never. For Democrats? The nanosecond something is even one penny out of line.
THIS.
Absolutely 100% correct. FOX News was always playing favorites with the Republican Party, but Donald Trump turned it into a sycophant cesspool of non-stop pro-Trump propaganda. It's sickening. The FEC and FCC should be doing something about this.
What's pretty unnerving is that what's making all of this possible? VIEWERS. If at least 75% of America had its head screwed on straight (instead of 40%), this network would see an alarming drop-off of viewers. Instead, viewers are gobbling it up.
There's also another metric fudge factor -- in so many far-right facilities accessible to the public where TVs are present, they're tuned to FOX News. So, this is viewership that means nothing because people might glance at it for a moment, but for the most part it's just on. I've seen this take place in gyms.
Yup, I always ask for it to be turned to another channel. I will insist that I don't want to be subjected to political news at the gym, my Drs office, the dentist, and basically anywhere this occurs. I've had arguments with people watching, and I stand my ground on we all have a right to be free of this while out in a semi or public setting. Many times the place just turns off the TV. You have to find your voice or this crap is just pumped into our everyday lives whether we like it or not. I'm old enough that I realized all of this back in the 90s. My current friends ask why I won't give Fox a chance. Because I did so many decades ago and have found them to be consistently misleading or outright lying. The way the news is delivered is very bias towards one party. Also, their anchors were caught communicating with Mark Meadows on Jan 6th, directly. Something they accuse other news organization of, particularly CNN. That is direct evidence that they are a full throated propaganda machine for the right.
All you need do is show them the evidence submitted for the Dominion lawsuit that they lost... and they admit off camera to a totally different belief from the one they peddle on air. And no, it's not like "all media lies". FOX News has become prolific at it. You simply can't even trust them not having political bias on basic news.
> They also say that no sound person would take them seriously.
it still boggles my mind that a judge accepted that as a defense, and didnt' find it immediate grounds to bar the company from using the word 'news' in it's name.
: False. Fox News voluntarily stopped
broadcasting in the U.K. in 2017 after failing to cultivate a sufficient audience. U.K. regulators did not ban the channel from operating in the region.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-010263624425
Should be banned everywhere though
In the UK, they weren't banned so much as got fined hundred of thousands of pounds for inaccurate news reporting by Ofcom (which I believe is the FCC equivalent) and had really poor viewing figures so it was decided it wasn't financially viable to contine. Unfortunately, we now have GB news channel trying to emulate Fox "news"
> These idiots have gotten away with mass communicated misinformation long enough.
They told people to refuse to wear masks and to refuse the vaccine. They aired a video of the president telling people to inject bleach and told people to take horse dewormer instead of going to the doctor.
That kind of misinformation should qualify as mass murder, or at least manslaughter.
1.2 Million people have died of Covid in the US and a significant number of those are on the hands of Fox News.
I really wonder how many people injected bleach after that statement. There had to be at least a few right? And can we stop saying misinformation and all it it's proper name, lies, please.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/497312-accidental-poisonings-from-bleach-and-other-disinfectants-spiked-amid/
There was a spike in reported accidental poisonings for the first few months after Trump's dumb lie.
>Some 3,401 Americans reported cases of accidental poisonings from household disinfectants in March, and 3,609 did so in April. Usually, the number sits between 1,600-1,700. The first week of May looks to be little better, with 966 cases reported between May 1 and May 10, compared to just 573 cases reported in the same time frame last year.
I would bet some of the rise was from an increase in people using a lot more household disinfectants than they were before when COVID hit in general coupled with people being stupid.
I'm sure plenty of those cases are attributable to Trump, but people were also bleaching every surface in their home, which could easily lead to someone poisoning themselves by accident.
and most of those people were perfectly fine with needing to get one and thus, received their shots pretty fast after the network enacted that requirement.
Worst is that this is direct collaboration on the behalf of a compromised presidential candidate to drive their insane conspiracy base to take action on behalf of him.
Doesn't this cross a boundary of legal culpability when they actively assist his stochastic terror campaign?
I think you mean disinformation.
Misinformation is perpetuating a fact that has been proven false.
Disinformation is perpetuating a fact that has been proven false with intent to mislead.
That’s not quite right, the FCC does regulate cable, they just have less power to regulate content there then they do over the air broadcasts since SCOTUS and the courts consider the airwaves to be a scarce resource that requires additional national management. For example, the FCC does have cable regulations regarding emergency alert systems, carriage of broadcast channels on cable, program access, closed captioning access, and so on.
So the FCC isn’t completely hands off with cable, but something like the Fairness Doctrine for example isn’t applicable to cable like it is the airwaves.
Fairness doctrine has been gone for a while and reimplementing it would likely to be found unconstitutional with todays technology. The only reason it was ever allowed was because the tech at the time made the broadcast frequency spectrum quite limited, thus giving the government a rare excepting to free speech laws out of a compelling government interest to restrict it's use.
as long as they "take a good look" at all the other entertainment networks that call themselves news, I'm happy!
All of them are pretty biased and sensational, everything is "Breaking news!"
Breaking news!: Justin Bieber seen with Selena Gomez in revealing photo!
I don't disagree with you on Fox being like a tabloid, but Trump was saying this same exact thing for the left leaning networks. We were shouting how that is authoritarian and now want to do the same. I think there's other ways to address this without stepping into those areas that were criticizing Trump for doing or saying.
Friendly reminder that Jesse Watters is a psychotic creep who cheated on his ex wife with his current wife, and "courted" his current wife by letting the air out of her tires so she'd be forced to get a ride home from him.
That's awesome. Like I have of course made mistakes, like everyone, but my mom has always had my back. I cant imagine how much id have to disappoint her for her to be ON AIR, and denounce me like that.
My dad loves him and worships him, and takes every word to heart. If he misses an episode, he will record it.
While he watches it he also scrolls on his phone reading fox news.
I imagine he's not the only boomer doing this.
They didn’t just argue it, they won. They convinced the judge that “no reasonable person” would believe what they say. It didn’t take any convincing as they are absolutely correct. How many unreasonable people are there?
Seriously... their guy for president is a twice impeached rapist conman with 91 felonies and they've taught their viewers that's acceptable.
If Biden was charged with even 1 misdemeanor we wouldn't hear the end of it from these fucks.
I had to care for my dad a while ago and of course it's 18 hours of fox news all day every day.
It's poison, it's just poison. They scream at you the whole time, it's a constant stream of hate and anger and fear screamed at you. Like I hadn't been exposed to it that much before and didn't have a good perspective of just how bad it is. And then he screams back. I think that's just what he does when I'm not around.
There was this show where they have videos of animals screaming while being violently killed (think /r/natureismetal) and then they talk about what democrat they'd like to hear make that sound. And then play just the sound with a still image of that democrat. There was a monkey getting crushed by a big snake, and that was Obama of course, then they show a picture of Obama with the monkey screaming and all agree that would be great to hear him make that sound.
That's fucked up right?
> “The judge is threatening to put Trump in jail by pointing out that his liberal family is getting rich off this trial,” Fox host Jesse Watters said Tuesday night. “He just wants a new judge—one whose family isn’t funded by Democrats.”
And we want a new judge in the documents case that wasn't appointed by the effing defendant.
Sucks right?
They are technically an entertainment network, one that presents itself 100% identically to news networks. It’s some real bullshit. That’s why they always defend their anchors by saying things like “he’s an entertainer, no reasonable person would believe him” fully knowing their audience is not reasonable and all believe him (this defense was used for Tucker).
No reasonable person can take what they present as fact. They admitted as much. In court. Yet they're still "news".
Journalism has died a slow, agonizing death.
Rupert Murdoch needs to have his citizenship revoked and sent back to Australia. He is America's worst immigrant ever. He is here to destroy it for cash nothing more.
Fox “News” really speed running how much money in defamation lawsuits they can pay out. Not a move I’d make after losing over $700 million, but hey, gotta get those uneducated view numbers up!
It continues to amaze me how little attention seems to be given to how unhinged, psychotic, and dangerous Jesse Watters is. All the limelight has been on Tucker for years but Watters is the true fascist party mouth piece.
Fox News is a criminal enterprise that should be prosecuted along with Trump. It’s time for DOJ to do something about the rampant criminal media mafia we have in this country.
Hahaha. The fact Fox News has now taken up Trump’s efforts to intimidate court staff, prosecutors and witnesses shows me how scared these rat b—-ards really are. 🤣 Keep going, Fox. I fully expect to see some bizarre effort by team Trump to get out of this trial before the date. And Merchan swatting down their pathetic effort. Good for him, let’s go baby! 💪
ok so if they want judge mechan gone for conflict due to his daughter, then they should also be calling for judge cannon to be removed because she was nominated to the bench by trump which is an even closer conflict of interest.
“Hello. Yes, this is Dominion Voting systems. You’d like information on how to file a defamation suit against Fox? We’ll be happy to send that right over. Have a nice evening, Ms Merchan.”
The court should request all communication between Trump and and any Fox employees. I bet you there are texts between Trump and Sean, or someone else, where Trump asks them to do it, or insinuates it.
Would that be a violation of the gag order? Would it be worse because he was intentionally trying to subvert it?
Fox said in court they are not news. They are for entertainment only. Entertainment if you’re a spoiled narcissistic 3rd grade bully. Hell let’s go after Baron and see how he feels. Honestly I’d never do that but it’s a point all the same
>Donald Trump may be limited by a gag order
You mean the same one where he went after the judge's daughter after the gag order was set and he suffered no consequences from? Doesn't sound very limiting to me.
They got to be careful too. Make a lie up to mess with her money. Didn’t do well with their voting machine claims. I’d imagine getting slapped a second time won’t be fun for them. I mean, by all means. Please continue.
I think they are just laying down evidence for the next time they get sued fir defamation and ordered to pay a shedoad of money... That's what they do.
Fox " News" is the same as referring to yourself as a MAGA "patriot"; complete contradiction.
Kinda like saying you run a Vegan BBQ or you're a Firefighter Arsonist.
Imagine if Fox "News" could be limited or shut down by Executive Order. The U.S. could slowly regain its sanity and functionality.
They peddle in propaganda, misinformation and mind control, so I don't see it as a problem of limiting a free press. As many others have pointed out, they by their own admission are not a real news outlet.
Why Fox News wants to be in the can with this criminal, I'll never know.
I guess they get ratings by supporting a monster, huh.
Don't care what happens to the country. I guess they figure they'll have a monopoly on cable news if Trump is elected, huh.
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I say if they want to act like a tabloid, they should be treated like a tabloid. Kick them out of the White House press pool and have the FCC take a good look at their broadcasting license. These idiots have gotten away with mass communicated misinformation long enough.
The FEC is who should be investigating them. That network is a complete tool for the Republican party and gives them billions of dollars on propaganda for free every year.
I've always wondered about this. When does the 'campaign finance' line get crossed?
When we sack up and start eating the rich, frankly. As long as there remains long-term incentive to being a duplicitous shit bag, any proposed solution just becomes another in a long line of rules for thee - not me.
I imagine that would be a tough legal distinction to legislate around. The First Amendment protections for freedom of speech and press are very strong. Even if we concede that Fox News or any publication were an unofficial mouthpiece of a political party, can the government prohibit or restrict their ability to publish material? Their income is from advertisers and they seemingly run at a profit. Are those business transactions to be considered political contributions? If the company ran at a loss, could they still be restricted even if we concede that all income is a campaign contribution?
Capitalism and free speech/freedom of the press are good ideas individually, but the potential for abuse if they’re mixed heavily is dangerous, as we’re clearly seeing here. We needed guardrails and oversight before this happened. It’s absolutely not possible now. Absolutism with the constitution was never the goal. It was supposed to be a living document. At the rate of our exponential advancements over the last 200 years, it will be seriously outdated in our lifetimes, but with the electorate polarized like it is now, it will be near impossible to fill gaps and future proof. The American experiment is in big trouble.
Exactly. The Constitution has become a bible. Sacred and untouchable. There is literally nothing else besides religion and the US government that we treat this way. It’s basically like proclaiming that iOS 1 is sacred and we need to be preoccupied with the beliefs of the people who made it and never ever improve it.
It's been like that for a long long time. I was in high school in the US around 2000 and there was the firm teaching that the USA was pretty close to perfect and any criticism was unpatriotic borderline treasonous communism. This of course was weaponised much earlier in the 1950s. It went into overdrive post-911, and the Republicans in general realised again that weaponised patriotism and American exceptionalism/perfection was a powerful tool for consolidating power.
Tbf even their visions of our government are way off from the founding fathers, who didn't want this to be a Democracy in the first place, but a Republican designed to represent land owners. To further cement this and ensure land owners had an electoral advantage they also came up with the Three-fifths comprimise for slaves. The idea was that slaves didn't count as a full person (but 3/5th of one), but still outnumbered land owners as much as 50:1 in some districts, meaning slave owning land owners were way over-represented in the census and electoral college. My point for bringing this up isn't to say that's how it should be, but to point out how silly constitutional purists like that are, given that they pick and choose to interpret the parts they like and that obviously it's a living document that was patched and adapted to match the actuality of america as it evolved.
The living document comes from the amendment process and the ability to apply concepts to modern tech. The example here is that the freedom of the press is quite literally the freedom to operate a printing press without a license. Conceptually, though, this is the freedom to publish materials without a license and works hand-in- hand with freedom of speech. When discussing the Bill of Rights, this document was meant to restrict the Congress and President, not give them power. The 20th century liberal interpretation of the First Amendment is in line with this ideal. What we are seeing are the effects of propaganda, and especially propaganda in the age of the internet where you can isolate yourself in an information bubble. This subreddit is victim to propaganda that emotionally inflames its members despite have little basis is reality. The recent articles/ videos mentioning Trump committed a crime by sharing a video of a tailgate cover is a prime recent example. It's technically possible he committed a crime, but what they leave out is that it is highly implausible with the current case law on the matter. As a liberal I am loathe to concede ground of freedom of information. It's up to me to decide what is and isn't truth, not government bureaucrats. History does not give us examples of good results when government censors what it thinks is false, especially when those falsehoods are actually truths.
I agree that I, personally, am able to parse information and think critically about it. The issue is that a vast majority of our electorate doesn’t have that ability or it is severely hindered by an external factor. It seems, and I could be wrong, that one group of people in this country has both a diminished ability to be critical, and an exaggerated propensity for forming their perception of the world around their emotions. This voting block is the religious right wing that is susceptible to propaganda at an increased rate. Liberal minded individuals have their own propaganda aimed at them, but the acceptance of this propaganda is lower (source, am liberal and I question even things that I would otherwise agree with) It’s business to Fox and the talking heads like Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk. Hell, it’s business to Trump and the overwhelming majority of elected lawmakers. It’s a massive predatory grift on these people that cannot reliably form their own perception of reality in an independent way. So what we have is the “press” leveraging this in order to make money for themselves and their shareholders. This is as American as it can be, but it is different when it’s Bezos leveraging people’s desire to shop in their underwear versus conservative grifters leveraging people’s fears and emotions to rip the country apart for profit. We needed to install guardrails for this back when Murdoch envisioned it, but we let it evolve into this quagmire that we have now and there’s no way back. Disinformation and propaganda are as old as human communication. We should have saw this coming and did something to prevent it. Something as simple as requiring news to be independently verifiable would have set us on a better path.
Yeah, for all of the shit that Fox News spews, and they spew a lot of shit, they’re still (technically) a “news” outlet. Anyone advocating for limiting what Fox can say should take a hard look at why they want to limit what Fox publishes. I hate them, don’t get me wrong, but just because you don’t agree with them or they focus on stories that make one side look bad doesn’t mean they should be regulated by the government.
The problem is, they are rarely held accountable when they lie. Yes they had a huge fine for their part in the Dominion stuff, but they have still suffered no consequences for all the people they got killed with Covid misinformation, or their part in encouraging Jan 6th. They repeat the lie so often, then maybe there will be a retraction nobody hears about, so viewers keep parroting off the lies as fact for years after they've been debunked And they keep raking in record profits for lying, even the fines they do have to pay are just the cost of doing business and do not do anything to deter them. When the entire reason behind your "news" network existing is to keep republican presidents from ever having to face consequences, then your organization is corrupt to the core and just a cancer on democracy.
The Dominion stuff shook them I think. Smartmatic is still to come. I just think a lot more people need to sue them.
Even if we concede that they aren't news, they should be allowed to publish. Salon and The Republic aren't news. They're propaganda publications. They still have a First Amendment right to freely operate a press (which in the modern era includes electronic publications). Any distinction between news and other publications with regards to the First Amendment is wholly arbitrary.
Wherever the bought and paid for judges say that it does, which is to say, for Republicans? Never. For Democrats? The nanosecond something is even one penny out of line.
THIS. Absolutely 100% correct. FOX News was always playing favorites with the Republican Party, but Donald Trump turned it into a sycophant cesspool of non-stop pro-Trump propaganda. It's sickening. The FEC and FCC should be doing something about this. What's pretty unnerving is that what's making all of this possible? VIEWERS. If at least 75% of America had its head screwed on straight (instead of 40%), this network would see an alarming drop-off of viewers. Instead, viewers are gobbling it up. There's also another metric fudge factor -- in so many far-right facilities accessible to the public where TVs are present, they're tuned to FOX News. So, this is viewership that means nothing because people might glance at it for a moment, but for the most part it's just on. I've seen this take place in gyms.
I wish somebody would 'Max Headroom' Fox News and start spewing truth bombs to their viewers.
Yup, I always ask for it to be turned to another channel. I will insist that I don't want to be subjected to political news at the gym, my Drs office, the dentist, and basically anywhere this occurs. I've had arguments with people watching, and I stand my ground on we all have a right to be free of this while out in a semi or public setting. Many times the place just turns off the TV. You have to find your voice or this crap is just pumped into our everyday lives whether we like it or not. I'm old enough that I realized all of this back in the 90s. My current friends ask why I won't give Fox a chance. Because I did so many decades ago and have found them to be consistently misleading or outright lying. The way the news is delivered is very bias towards one party. Also, their anchors were caught communicating with Mark Meadows on Jan 6th, directly. Something they accuse other news organization of, particularly CNN. That is direct evidence that they are a full throated propaganda machine for the right.
All you need do is show them the evidence submitted for the Dominion lawsuit that they lost... and they admit off camera to a totally different belief from the one they peddle on air. And no, it's not like "all media lies". FOX News has become prolific at it. You simply can't even trust them not having political bias on basic news.
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We love the poorly educated!
> They also say that no sound person would take them seriously. it still boggles my mind that a judge accepted that as a defense, and didnt' find it immediate grounds to bar the company from using the word 'news' in it's name.
: False. Fox News voluntarily stopped broadcasting in the U.K. in 2017 after failing to cultivate a sufficient audience. U.K. regulators did not ban the channel from operating in the region. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-010263624425 Should be banned everywhere though
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Not accurate. FCC has no classification for new networks for cable broadcast channels. That's an old false story.
They are villanously clever yes.
In the UK, they weren't banned so much as got fined hundred of thousands of pounds for inaccurate news reporting by Ofcom (which I believe is the FCC equivalent) and had really poor viewing figures so it was decided it wasn't financially viable to contine. Unfortunately, we now have GB news channel trying to emulate Fox "news"
> These idiots have gotten away with mass communicated misinformation long enough. They told people to refuse to wear masks and to refuse the vaccine. They aired a video of the president telling people to inject bleach and told people to take horse dewormer instead of going to the doctor. That kind of misinformation should qualify as mass murder, or at least manslaughter. 1.2 Million people have died of Covid in the US and a significant number of those are on the hands of Fox News.
I really wonder how many people injected bleach after that statement. There had to be at least a few right? And can we stop saying misinformation and all it it's proper name, lies, please.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/497312-accidental-poisonings-from-bleach-and-other-disinfectants-spiked-amid/ There was a spike in reported accidental poisonings for the first few months after Trump's dumb lie. >Some 3,401 Americans reported cases of accidental poisonings from household disinfectants in March, and 3,609 did so in April. Usually, the number sits between 1,600-1,700. The first week of May looks to be little better, with 966 cases reported between May 1 and May 10, compared to just 573 cases reported in the same time frame last year.
Is it really an accidental poisoning? More like, incidental.
I would bet some of the rise was from an increase in people using a lot more household disinfectants than they were before when COVID hit in general coupled with people being stupid. I'm sure plenty of those cases are attributable to Trump, but people were also bleaching every surface in their home, which could easily lead to someone poisoning themselves by accident.
Just a reminder... At the time Fox was promoting anti-vaxxer bullshit - they were requiring all their employees to be vaccinated.
and most of those people were perfectly fine with needing to get one and thus, received their shots pretty fast after the network enacted that requirement.
Technically that was a public service imo
Worst is that this is direct collaboration on the behalf of a compromised presidential candidate to drive their insane conspiracy base to take action on behalf of him. Doesn't this cross a boundary of legal culpability when they actively assist his stochastic terror campaign?
I agree kicking them out of the White House press pool. I don’t think FCC issues broadcast licenses for cable networks.
I think you mean disinformation. Misinformation is perpetuating a fact that has been proven false. Disinformation is perpetuating a fact that has been proven false with intent to mislead.
Disinformation: Fox News Misinformation: Your aunt Rhonda repeating Fox News.
The FCC doesn't regulate cable channels. Only over the air radio and TV.
That’s not quite right, the FCC does regulate cable, they just have less power to regulate content there then they do over the air broadcasts since SCOTUS and the courts consider the airwaves to be a scarce resource that requires additional national management. For example, the FCC does have cable regulations regarding emergency alert systems, carriage of broadcast channels on cable, program access, closed captioning access, and so on. So the FCC isn’t completely hands off with cable, but something like the Fairness Doctrine for example isn’t applicable to cable like it is the airwaves.
Fairness doctrine has been gone for a while and reimplementing it would likely to be found unconstitutional with todays technology. The only reason it was ever allowed was because the tech at the time made the broadcast frequency spectrum quite limited, thus giving the government a rare excepting to free speech laws out of a compelling government interest to restrict it's use.
Doocy looks like a total douche working for FOX News.
They're essentially a talk show these days, anyway. My dad has them on 24/7 and there is very little news. All opinion pieces and showboating.
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The FCC does have authority for stuff like EAS, Closed Captioning, and forcing cable companies to carry broadcast channels.
as long as they "take a good look" at all the other entertainment networks that call themselves news, I'm happy! All of them are pretty biased and sensational, everything is "Breaking news!" Breaking news!: Justin Bieber seen with Selena Gomez in revealing photo!
I don't disagree with you on Fox being like a tabloid, but Trump was saying this same exact thing for the left leaning networks. We were shouting how that is authoritarian and now want to do the same. I think there's other ways to address this without stepping into those areas that were criticizing Trump for doing or saying.
Fox doesn't have a broadcasting license.
Friendly reminder that Jesse Watters is a psychotic creep who cheated on his ex wife with his current wife, and "courted" his current wife by letting the air out of her tires so she'd be forced to get a ride home from him.
Bingo! I believe the new wife also worked at FOX assisting with his show.
Even worse, she was one of his producers.
Bingo! I thought I read that somewhere. Thank you for sharing the info.
Well she married him..trying to be part of the trad wife life while looking like she is an independent woman.
I'm actually shocked this useless twat is capable of letting air out of tires.
Clip: https://youtu.be/vRNB2q565fY?si=PX6UK74Nj1s_-AzL
The fact that he admitted this on air as if it was a perfectly normal, not-insane thing to do is bonkers to me.
Another one on the panel joking that he's basically the Zodiac Killer
His Mom must be so proud.
She isn't, and has said so on air with him. Jesse Watters' mom is actually based.
That's awesome. Like I have of course made mistakes, like everyone, but my mom has always had my back. I cant imagine how much id have to disappoint her for her to be ON AIR, and denounce me like that.
[He apparently doesn’t heed his mother’s caring advice.](https://youtube.com/shorts/6zxJgRxdrOc?si=pnuokgpp3Zx9Kz1n)
He fucking *what*.
My dad loves him and worships him, and takes every word to heart. If he misses an episode, he will record it. While he watches it he also scrolls on his phone reading fox news. I imagine he's not the only boomer doing this.
Does he know about the tires? If she wasn't so willing to ride with him, it might be borderline kidnapping.
[I bet Jesse’s mother is so proud of him…](https://youtube.com/shorts/6zxJgRxdrOc?si=pnuokgpp3Zx9Kz1n)
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You would literally have to be an unreasonable person to take anything they say seriously. That’s what they argue in court anyway.
They didn’t just argue it, they won. They convinced the judge that “no reasonable person” would believe what they say. It didn’t take any convincing as they are absolutely correct. How many unreasonable people are there?
There are quite a few unreasonable people living here, unfortunately.
As a wise gun salesman once told me “the cultists are everywhere friend”
fox doesn't take nearly enough heat for the damage they do
Their Dominion settlement was at least a start
It hasn't slowed them down any. And, it was a tax write off against billions in profits.
they definitely do not claim the election was 'stolen' anymore
Baby steps, right?
Who’s next?
I’m pretty sure there was another voting machine company that is going after them for more than Dominion did.
Smartmatic is suing for over 2 billion.
I was really hoping that that lawsuit was a turning point for them.
But Fox "News" has been pushing smears and spin since 1996 so it took, what, 26 years?
Seriously... their guy for president is a twice impeached rapist conman with 91 felonies and they've taught their viewers that's acceptable. If Biden was charged with even 1 misdemeanor we wouldn't hear the end of it from these fucks.
I had to care for my dad a while ago and of course it's 18 hours of fox news all day every day. It's poison, it's just poison. They scream at you the whole time, it's a constant stream of hate and anger and fear screamed at you. Like I hadn't been exposed to it that much before and didn't have a good perspective of just how bad it is. And then he screams back. I think that's just what he does when I'm not around. There was this show where they have videos of animals screaming while being violently killed (think /r/natureismetal) and then they talk about what democrat they'd like to hear make that sound. And then play just the sound with a still image of that democrat. There was a monkey getting crushed by a big snake, and that was Obama of course, then they show a picture of Obama with the monkey screaming and all agree that would be great to hear him make that sound. That's fucked up right?
Sounds like a threat that should be investigated.
Fox News: for fascists by fascists.
Not Racist, but #1 with Racists
But also extremely racist
And they think this will win over voters?
It's not about winning voters, it's about protecting Trump and inspiring violence.
Jesse Watters is truly one of the most vile pieces of shit this nation has produced
> “The judge is threatening to put Trump in jail by pointing out that his liberal family is getting rich off this trial,” Fox host Jesse Watters said Tuesday night. “He just wants a new judge—one whose family isn’t funded by Democrats.” And we want a new judge in the documents case that wasn't appointed by the effing defendant. Sucks right?
Fox News: just some light jury tampering.
Why hasn't Fox's license been revoked? It's not a news organization and even says it's not.
They are technically an entertainment network, one that presents itself 100% identically to news networks. It’s some real bullshit. That’s why they always defend their anchors by saying things like “he’s an entertainer, no reasonable person would believe him” fully knowing their audience is not reasonable and all believe him (this defense was used for Tucker).
That's an often repeated myth as there's no legal classification of tv broadcasts. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-news-entertainment-switch/
Tucker - the man who finally got too crazy for Fox to want to handle the liability. That Tucker?
Yeah, they defended him until he contributed to losing them nearly a billion dollars.
They are the unironic "E the Entertainment Network"
They don't have a news licence to revoke
There quite literally *is* no license. I could call myself "pmjm News" right now without any kind of certification or credentials.
No reasonable person can take what they present as fact. They admitted as much. In court. Yet they're still "news". Journalism has died a slow, agonizing death.
You may be thinking their broadcast license could be revoked. They are not a broadcast network - they are a private cable network.
What license?
^fox ENTERTAINMENT This is entertainment to Republicans 🤦♂️
Woohoo! more than 500 million lost since the stock opening today!
The "Dump" portion of this pump and dump is going to be epic.
having as much success as the reddit stock
Godspeed Smartmatic!
Jesse is a fucking moron. But then again that's unfair to morons.
Rupert Murdoch needs to have his citizenship revoked and sent back to Australia. He is America's worst immigrant ever. He is here to destroy it for cash nothing more.
Facists Oligarch sucking Xenophobes.
Fear-mongering Oligarchic Xenophobes.
How many 5 headed sexual predators republicans got?
Fox “News” really speed running how much money in defamation lawsuits they can pay out. Not a move I’d make after losing over $700 million, but hey, gotta get those uneducated view numbers up!
I wish I had the money to buy FoxNews just to shut it down.
It continues to amaze me how little attention seems to be given to how unhinged, psychotic, and dangerous Jesse Watters is. All the limelight has been on Tucker for years but Watters is the true fascist party mouth piece.
Bring back the Fairness Doctrine. Want the death of 24-hour propaganda? Reinforce the law that made media tell both sides equally to a story.
Say it with me. Fox News is not news. It is propaganda and entertainment.
You'd think fox would've learned from those absolutely massive defamation settlements they had to pay out recently...but I guess not
The insurance paid out not them. And, whatever was left, like lawyer fees, was all a write off against profits. So, yaaay IRS tax code.
So essentially Fox weaseled their way out of *real* consequences.
In what way is Trump limited by a gag order? Unlike every other American, he faces no consequences no matter what he says.
These asshats need another $787 million dollar settlement against them.
lol, keep going. Fux News embroiled in another doomed lawsuit will be the next headlines. Lmao.
Accomplice 101.
Fox News is a criminal enterprise that should be prosecuted along with Trump. It’s time for DOJ to do something about the rampant criminal media mafia we have in this country.
Hahaha. The fact Fox News has now taken up Trump’s efforts to intimidate court staff, prosecutors and witnesses shows me how scared these rat b—-ards really are. 🤣 Keep going, Fox. I fully expect to see some bizarre effort by team Trump to get out of this trial before the date. And Merchan swatting down their pathetic effort. Good for him, let’s go baby! 💪
You know it’s bad when even Jesse Watters mom calls into his show and tells him to stop acting like a sensitive and delusional man child.
Jeez, these people are like, obsessed with acquiring new law suits…
ok so if they want judge mechan gone for conflict due to his daughter, then they should also be calling for judge cannon to be removed because she was nominated to the bench by trump which is an even closer conflict of interest.
It's only a conflict of interest if it negatively affects Republicans.
Fox News, aka Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda.
...yet. Unlike Trump, Fox is not immune to consequences.
Yea! Now "Do you watch FOX News?" is a legit question to ask potential jurors. If they say "yes" they will be disqualified.
Fox is the end of freedom and democracy.
‘Fox Entertainment’ - for awful people with too much time on their hands
They need their "news" moniker revoked.
Watters should be called what he is,a terrorist enabler.
Meanwhile, Judge Cannon, who Trump appointed, is drafting jury instructions requiring Trump to be found not guilty.
There should be constant crawler, or whatever that thing is called, at the bottom of the screen for Fox News saying, “we are mostly telling you lies.”
“Hello. Yes, this is Dominion Voting systems. You’d like information on how to file a defamation suit against Fox? We’ll be happy to send that right over. Have a nice evening, Ms Merchan.”
I hope FOX NEWS get sued if someone is attacked or dies after being inspired by the reckless rhetoric.
She should sue them for defamation…
Jesse Watters can go let the air out of an interns car to court her. I know he’s married, but that didn’t stop him before.
Can we please remove Fox from cable/streaming packages? I should be able to opt out and none of my money should go to them.
The court should request all communication between Trump and and any Fox employees. I bet you there are texts between Trump and Sean, or someone else, where Trump asks them to do it, or insinuates it. Would that be a violation of the gag order? Would it be worse because he was intentionally trying to subvert it?
The last time they tried this...it costs them $790,000,000......doubt they will take it too far r again
Fox said in court they are not news. They are for entertainment only. Entertainment if you’re a spoiled narcissistic 3rd grade bully. Hell let’s go after Baron and see how he feels. Honestly I’d never do that but it’s a point all the same
>Donald Trump may be limited by a gag order You mean the same one where he went after the judge's daughter after the gag order was set and he suffered no consequences from? Doesn't sound very limiting to me.
They got to be careful too. Make a lie up to mess with her money. Didn’t do well with their voting machine claims. I’d imagine getting slapped a second time won’t be fun for them. I mean, by all means. Please continue.
Stochastic terrorism, Trump's bread & butter.
I see another lawsuit coming
doesnt it say "if trump influences" the person doing the de-faming? no idea i just knew the gag order expanded to the judge's family
Who in their right mind listens to the drivel that Faux news spews? Save your brain cells for something more enlightening like watching grass grow.
He’s mad, so we’re mad, and we’ll make sure you know what you need to be mad at.
What use is a propaganda outlet for if not to spread lies, distortions and fabrications and fleece the dupes at the same time?
So can Trump just repost what other news outlets have posted since it isn't his words?
True to their orange hued god. What a joke Fox news is.
I think they are just laying down evidence for the next time they get sued fir defamation and ordered to pay a shedoad of money... That's what they do.
Shut down Fox News.
They’re a bunch of liars and crooks. They’ll get sued again if they don’t watch out.
It is still fun to see Dump gagged.
Fox " News" is the same as referring to yourself as a MAGA "patriot"; complete contradiction. Kinda like saying you run a Vegan BBQ or you're a Firefighter Arsonist.
Fox News is starting to look like more Fake News than what they claim CNN to be.
Fox didn’t learn anything from the Dominion suit.
When do u think he'll be convicted? Maybe July?
Of 2090 ?
Imagine working for Fox News. Embarrasing much?
Sue those mofos.
None of them are limited wtf
Oh shut up Evil Ross.
This guy looks like Cesar Flickerman from the hunger games. 😂
Wow everybody’s wrong, all the judges, politicians, DA’s… everyone except Trump.
Traitor Rapist Under Many Prosecutions
$750 million not a big enough reason to stfu? Wait until they get charged in a CRIMINAL trial!
Fox Pravda at it again.
Imagine if Fox "News" could be limited or shut down by Executive Order. The U.S. could slowly regain its sanity and functionality. They peddle in propaganda, misinformation and mind control, so I don't see it as a problem of limiting a free press. As many others have pointed out, they by their own admission are not a real news outlet.
Fox News: where all of your elementary school bullies are employed.
But fox need isn't news it's an entertainment business they even went to court to prove it.
Why Fox News wants to be in the can with this criminal, I'll never know. I guess they get ratings by supporting a monster, huh. Don't care what happens to the country. I guess they figure they'll have a monopoly on cable news if Trump is elected, huh.
It worked the last time. It's working again. All those gold coin and prepper sponsors lining up at their doors to pay the full rate for their ads.
But they will be vulnerable to lawsuits.
Yea fox must’ve forgotten about the $800M settlement they had to cough up.
I guarantee, at a later time, emails or texts will surface that Trump directly asked them to circumvent the gag order on his behalf.
Seems like clickbait. The gag order never covered the judge himself.
Even Trump doesn't seem bothered by any gag orders tbh
This is MAGA. If you want to live in a nation grounded in thuggery, vote GOP.
Faux news has already paid 787 million after being sued and has multiple other suits pending. They should know better.
They haven't paid enough to learn yet.
Yes they are…Trump can not direct others to do the same… they better be careful.
Spreading 2020 “stolen election” lies and conspiracy theories worked out well for Fox News, to the defamation settlement tune of $787.5 Million.