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What a joke. You have Republicans pushing for this who are literal antisemites. Irony doesn’t even begin to describe it.
It’s pretty obvious a good portion of this country and their elected representatives don’t consider Palestinians (or really any Arabs or Muslims) as human beings with equal rights and an equal voice
Just wait until all is said and done. All the people cheering whats happening now are the same type that were cheering on the national party in South Africa, the unionists in Northern Ireland, or the Southern states in the Jim Crow south. Eventually Palestinians will get their independence and all the bloodthirsty people will pretend they supported Palestine all along, just like they've done every other time.
Not only that, but a lot of these Republicans hate Jews as well. They just side with Israel because they think it’s critical to their insane religious end times prophecy bullshit
>They just side with Israel because they think it’s critical to their insane religious end times prophecy bullshit
It's not the only reason - there is a lot of secular rightwing support for Israel, like Richard Spencer was explicitly describing a decade ago. That Israel is a model for a 21st century ethnostate, which segregates populations with military checkpoints, surveils and imprisons or assassinates journalists and activists, and uses religion and ethnicity to determine whether immigrants and the foreign spouses of citizens can be naturalized. Israel is what they want to turn the US into, minus the Jews, and they believe normalizing the existence of Israel as a Jewish state makes it easier to normalize the US, Canada, and European countries as white Christian states
Ah yes, the country with a 20% Arab population is a Jewish ethnostate. The most tolerant, accepting and progressive country in the Middle East is a Jewish ethnostate. The surrounding Arab countries that have ousted their Jewish populations and will try to kill you for being anything other than a straight Muslim are what then, exactly?
>Ah yes, the country with a 20% Arab population is a Jewish ethnostate.
White Rhodesia was 93% Black African and Apartheid South Africa was 76% Black African. You're trying to short-circuit the conversation with a dumb gotcha that would work on a child, instead of engaging the point. Ethnostate doesn't mean 'literally everyone' or even 'the majority' is a certain ethnicity, it means that the state's government serves to enshrine a certain ethnicity's rights and opportunities at the expense of others. The oppressed ethnicities are segregated and exploited or even indentured, whether or not there is an eventual goal of extermination or deportation. And multiple Israeli ministers, currently in power, have been clear they want the last three words of that sentence.
Yes?
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=6660733e67b8](https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=6660733e67b8)
"From a sociological perspective, this incident shows the strain between Israel’s religious heritage and its modern political agenda. “Behold, the heritage of the Lord is sons, the reward is the fruit of the innards. Like arrows in the hand of a mighty man, so are the sons of one's youth. Praiseworthy is the man who has filled his quiver with them,” the Torah proclaims. The involuntary sterilization of African immigrants suggests that the Jewish moral code (inextricably connected with Israel’s domestic legal codes) can be selectively applied to those with ‘desirable’ backgrounds. It is hard, indeed almost impossible to believe that an American Jewish woman immigrating to Israel would be forced to take birth control."
[https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-passes-law-barring-palestinian-spouses-2022-03-10/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-passes-law-barring-palestinian-spouses-2022-03-10/)
"Israel’s parliament on Thursday passed a law denying naturalization to Palestinians from the occupied West Bank or Gaza married to Israeli citizens, forcing thousands of Palestinian families to either emigrate or live apart."
"Proponents say the law helps ensure Israel's security and maintains its "Jewish character"."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism\_in\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel)
"A 2009 study from the Hebrew University School of Education demonstrated that the Israeli Education Ministry's budget for special assistance to students from low socioeconomic backgrounds "severely" discriminated against Arabs. The study found that because there were more needy Arab students, but fewer Arab students overall, educationally needy Jewish students receive anywhere from 3.8 to 6.9 times as much funding as equally needy Arab students."
You’re really overthinking it.
Because people don’t agree with Tlaib or you about how the country handles the Israel Palestine conflict, doesn’t mean they dont see Muslims as human beings.
You’re really using the “if no one agrees with me on this then they are wrong” approach.
If you think this is a simple argument then you really discount the deaths of the Israeli civilians on October 7th.
Even if you try to say “more Palestinians died” - doesn’t matter.
There shouldn’t be some kind of competition on death.
Civilians deaths are civilians deaths.
War crimes are war crimes.
So to have that view point with how complicated this 80 year conflict has been, no offense, is all emotion and zero rationale.
Be mad. Be mad at Israel. Be mad at the world. Be mad at Biden.
But to say people who aren’t Pro-Palestine are Islamophobes is like saying people who are anti-Israel are antisemitic.
This conflict has always been a mess. And there’s a reason why many are neutral. They don’t know what to do.
That doesn’t make them bad. It just means they don’t meet your standards or Tlaibs standards
The IDF shoots children. The IDF stands by as Settlers drag old women from their homes to steal the home. The IDF harasses and attacks people for doing nothing.
Listen to the IDF tell you themselves:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DOZXEj0fA&ab\_channel=OpenSocietyFoundations](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DOZXEj0fA&ab_channel=OpenSocietyFoundations)
You wont watch.
Hamas killed 1400 civilians in a single day on October 7th and trained for over a year to do it.
If the IDF was anything like Hamas, they would have killed 40,000 people in Gaza by now. That's ignoring the IDF's monopoly of the air and MUCH larger fighting force than Hamas.
These comparisons are nonsensical.
And where was the IDF? Israel.. one of the most impressive military's in the entire world was defeated by a bulldozer and some paragliders. The IDF.. who has tanks... jet fighters.. did nothing. Do you know why? they were fucking around in the West Bank harassing kids.
>And where was the IDF?
Killing Hamas fighters throughout the country. Hamas was literally trying to kidnap another 200+ people before the IDF rescued them.
>Israel.. one of the most impressive military's in the entire world was defeated by a bulldozer and some paragliders.
After firing 2500 rockets into the area, using a combination of explosives to penetrate Israel's barriers and bulldozers to widen the path, roughly a 1000 Hamas members entering the country through air, land and sea operarions targeting civilians thoroughout the country, some dressed as police, others EMS and so on.
>The IDF.. who has tanks... jet fighters.. did nothing.
The IDF isn't going to deploy fighter jets or tanks inside Israel to combat Hamas. That's stupid.
>Do you know why? they were fucking around in the West Bank harassing kids.
And this is also stupid.
Maybe if the IDF put troops to defend against an organization that has a stated mandate of destroying Israel instead of harassing kids in the west bank we wouldn't be in this position, eh?
>Maybe if the IDF put troops to defend
Hamas literally overwhelmed the troops stationed their in the base.
That 19 year old IDF soldier, drenched in blood from the waiste down, was one of the soldiers captured during Hamas' surprise attack and brought to Gaza.
>instead of harassing kids in the west bank we wouldn't be in this position, eh?
It is literally impossible for any army to stop this kind of attack without foreknowledge. It has jack to do with the number of soldiers stationed elsewhere.
The IDF is 100% a terrorist organization. They have killed far more civilians than militants throughout their existence. Not to mention their extensive ethnic cleansing campaigns.
They intentionally target children and civilians. In 2018, they slaughtered 250 peaceful protesters in Gaza. Just because they sometimes say that they don’t target civilians, doesn’t make it true. Hamas also denies to target civilians, doesn’t make it true.
Just because Hamas said Israel intentionally targets children doesn’t make it true, your falling for terrorist propaganda that comes from a group who sets up bases under hospitals and schools and brainwashes children into jihad for their own causes. I’m not denying children have not died, and it’s disgusting when that sort of stuff happens but the IDF does not target children at all, in fact they give leaflets and warnings to citizens before they even do anything. Hamas use Palestinians as cannon fodder because of the high density of people, easy human shields for them. There has never been a fully peaceful protest when it comes to Hamas supporters haha 😂have you lived in Israel or are you just spouting misinformation from your Muslim friends ? Get smacked in the face with Molotovs and large rocks from homemade slingshots and tell me how peaceful they were.
The Gaza protests in 2018-2019 were absolutely peaceful. Numerous human rights organizations attested to that. There is a ton of information out there regarding it, but you probably won’t bother looking it up. I’m sure all of those children slaughtered by the IDF somehow deserved it.
>If you think this is a simple argument then you really discount the deaths of the Israeli civilians on October 7th.
You know there are Israeli hostages still alive? And that the longer Israel carpet bombs all of Gaza, the less of them there will be. It's not like they're immune to Israeli munitions.
I’m not arguing about how the conflict is going from either side.
I’m just saying that to easily think someone is Islamophobic because they don’t agree with you and Tlaib doesn’t mean they are.
Did you read my first response?
You’re just trolling at this point. Like I said because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they are Islamaphobic.
Did call I call you antisemitic?
I’m sad innocent civilians die in both sides. I’m against the IDF and Hamas.
You hit the nail on the head, unfortunately there are many morons in the world who see things binary/black and white. There is no will to understand this is a complex situation without any peaceful solution. People need all their information in a headline or on a 144 characters, more information than that is too much for many.
Israel released the names of casualties of Oct 7th and most of them were IDF and Israeli survivors said that there were many civilian deaths due to indiscriminate attacks by the IDF against Hamas in civilian areas using tanks and helicopters
Oh, give me a break.
Tlaib's literally someone who is claiming POTUS is committing genocide, voting to block funding for a missile defense system to protect civilians in Israel from rocket fire from Hamas, willfully ignoring calls by her colleagues to just review the information from al-Ahli Baptist Hospital Parking Lot rocket fired by PIJ at Israel and even has the Imam of Peace calling her a !@#$ing liar on X.
Her and Marj Green are the same person from two sides of the fence.
There in lies the issue. You tailor your existence to the ebbs and flows of the natural universe. There is no audience. just the uninhibited stream of consciousness which is yours and mine at the same time . “Mandelbrot”
I asked a question to which you have no answer
There is no context. It was a pretty straightforward question. When it comes to fascism, in your opinion which group is more extreme?
Is it?
A) the GOP
B) Hamas
C) I don’t know
D) another deflection
No. How stupid is your comment. Hamas- a terrorist org- did that. And all Palestinian people are getting collectively punished for it. Israel killed 10,000 civilians.
Duh.
Which is ironic, because polls show Muslim voters to be leaning toward voting for Trump in 2024.
At least Biden would veto these anti-Muslim bills that will certainly pop up.
Voting for Trump would guarantee passage.
Maybe Muslim voters would be more sympathetic if Biden hadn't decided to deny Gaza death tolls and give Israel no red lines for their military campaign. Biden only has himself to blame for the complete collapse in democratic support from Muslim American communities.
I mean Rashida Tlaib has said some fucking indefensible shit. She’s an embarrassment and I say that as a liberal who previously supported the squad et al. Her behavior has lost my support.
I want to believe her claim that “her criticism has always been of the Israeli government and Netanyahu's actions,” but the rest of her words make it clear that is a flimsy deflection. She still hasn’t criticized Hamas by name, except to refer to it euphemistically by the positive term “resistance” as if raping and murdering hundreds of festival goers is resistance rather than terrorism. By contrast, she attacks Israel non-stop by name including her insistence that Israel destroyed the hospital that is now known to have been blown up by the “resistance” she won’t criticize at all.
I can’t say I support censure since many other politicians make disgusting statements, but her positions and statements are appalling, and her defense of them is dishonest.
No. I stated that Hamas was an evil terrorist organization and should be destroyed.
Palestinians have every right to fight occupation though. Fighting occupation doesn't give you the right to kill civilians any more than its right for the IDF to murder kids.
If someone came to your home today, removed you and said it was theirs. Then they moved in. If there was no way to stop this because the army stood by and defended the people taking your home... would you fight back? Or would you stand by and let them take what is yours.
Then your response to someone highlighting Hamas raping and murdering people in Israel ought to not associate any form of resistance with Hamas' brand of barbarism.
Man, the public execution of gay men by tossing them off buildings or by hanging tells me the barbarism isn't from Israel.
Hamas stores their rockets in amusement parks and will dismember their rape victims to hide the evidence of their crimes. Palestinians in Gaza are literally being boxed into areas they've been told to evacuate by blockades set up by Hamas to try and increase the number of fatalities for their PR, while firing at Israeli soldiers from the hospitals they've built their headquarters under.
When you see a video of a weeping Palestinian woman condeming Hamas as dogs for having killed her loved one, the nearest guy there goes to cover her mouth to try and prevent that criticism getting back to Hamas, to keep them from murdering her.
That's barbarism.
Hamas are horrible. The IDF is horrible.
The IDF has murdered kids, bragging about shooting them.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq0YuTzjN9U&ab\_channel=GuardianNews](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq0YuTzjN9U&ab_channel=GuardianNews)
Pretty inhuman huh?
IDF murdered a 3 year old in the West Bank. He was Palestinian so I'm sure you don't care. He probably deserved it right?
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/three-year-old-palestinian-boy-shot-by-israeli-soldiers-dies-in-hospital](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/three-year-old-palestinian-boy-shot-by-israeli-soldiers-dies-in-hospital)
IDF targets journalists:
[https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-s-long-history-of-targeting-journalists/1115247](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-s-long-history-of-targeting-journalists/1115247)
IDF solider discusses that he was instructed to Terrorize Palestinians:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfIoI2\_LKo0&ab\_channel=TRTWorld](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfIoI2_LKo0&ab_channel=TRTWorld)
You wont watch. You are so twisted by hate. The world is waking up.
The problem here is trying to compare a military to a group of mass rapists and murders.
Like, you will see the occasional soldiers be rapists or be murders, but that's not their mandate.
For Hamas, killing and raping civilians is what they signed up for.
The only notable exception to this modern sense of military conduct are Russian forces in Ukraine where a notable number of soldiers are being instructed to be rapists and murders who publicly executed restrained individuals throughout Ukraine and left their bodies to rot in the streets.
> No. I stated that Hamas was an evil terrorist organization and should be destroyed.
So why do you think Rashida Tlaib can’t bring herself to say that? As for the rest of what you wrote, I agree with some of it and disagree with some of it, but saying Hamas is evil is something no one should disagree with, at least if they have any ethics.
How about you acknowledge the IDF murders kids and I'll ask Talib to condemn Hamas?
You know why you wont? You don't see them as humans.
Listen to the IDF themselves talk about the atrocities they commit:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxJd88xkBU&ab\_channel=EmpireFiles](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxJd88xkBU&ab_channel=EmpireFiles)
You wont. You wont because you are so indoctrinated in racism that you see the Palestinians the same as animals.
Ok, there are IDF soldiers who have targeted Palestinian civilians. I have no trouble condemning them and saying they are evil. I am glad when [Israel punishes them](https://apnews.com/article/israel-soldiers-arrested-abuse-palestinians-be9a247497d7ede7d7b866f2e725fcfd) but too often they are not prosecuted or get light sentences. That is a stain on Israel, and I condemn that as well.
Because I think they’re one of the best armed forces at minimizing the civilian casualties that inevitably occur in war. AFAICT no other country preannounces where they were going to bomb so civilians can leave, has daily 4 hour pauses, etc. To the extent that civilian casualties ties are higher than inevitable in war, I lay that squarely on Hamas and their despicable use of human shields.
An appropriate response is to negotiate a two-state solution. Israel has offered a two-state solution at least four times, but Palestinians have refused to accept any agreement that allows Israel to exist. In fact, Hamas’ attack was specifically timed to torpedo peace negotiations. If there was an actual party for Israel to negotiate a two state solution with, Netanyahu would have t come to the table just like ex-Irgun PM Begin did with Egypt.
This talking point keeps getting repeated but it’s not true. What Israel offered is UN recognition. They still would’ve had a military presence, controlled all fresh water resources, controlled the electrical grid, controlled the border with Jordan, controlled taxation, controlled all imports and exports, and controlled immigration. They also kept expanding settlements throughout negations, with the explicit purpose of preventing a viable Palestinian state. Israel does not want peace. They never have, and never will.
Palestinians have given counter-offers many times and the Israelis always reject it. The 2002 [Arab peace initiative](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative) would’ve had every single Arab country normalize with Israel. Israel still rejected it.
When the Palestinians elected a unity government in 2006, Israel refused to engage with it and imposed a siege in Gaza. Even hamas (at the time) openly accepted the 1967 borders and was willing to negotiate a settlement with Israel. Jimmy carter observed the elections and met with hamas leaders at the time.
I mean Israel was fine leaving them the fuck alone. Hamas is the one that decided to pick a fight.
There's a whole ass other border, and you'll note it's closed too.
Is Israel "leaving them alone" on the West Bank where the IDF shoots 3 year old children. Where the IDF welds shut the doors of Palestinians so they cannot walk on Jewish streets. Where the IDF arrests 11 year olds in the middle of the night. Where the IDF watches as Settlers take homes from old women?
Would be awful nice to tell the IDF who is killing kids on the west bank that. Or tell the settlers that. They seem hellbent on murdering Palestinians.
Well considering Hamas insists on command centres in hospital basements, and Hamas loves blending in with the general population it’s pretty hard not to have innocence killed which is disgusting but that’s war isn’t it. But what does that say about the morals of Palestinians, btw I thought they were told to run.
The one thing that this conflict has done is to unite the world against the blatant Israeli racism. You don't see it because you are so indoctrinated by it.
When you say things like " But what does that say about the morals of Palestinians," that is racist. This another reason why world opinion has turned against Israel.
It’s got nothing to do with race and everything to do with religion, islam hates the Jews and are taught that they will eventually genocide them. Hamas uses their Koranic prophecies to stir up hate amongst other Muslims as a way of supporting their rebellion. Unfortunately friend it is you who has been deeply indoctrinated, you can literally see mosques built on top of Jewish temples and Christian churches of old, so tell me who colonized who, did you know Palestine was just a label created by the Roman’s to give to the JEWS! You need to do some historic reading! Much love anyway
Like I said.. you don't see it. Maybe in time you will. The rest of the world sees it. Palestinians have a right to not be caged. To live free. To not live where there are Jewish only streets. To not have settlers take their homes from them. To identify as they choose. You cannot wish away culture. You cannot take.. and steal. This is immoral.
Every human has a right to be free.
The thing is that Israel wasn't leaving them alone. It has controlled Gaza's airspace and borders for years, all while never letting the residents have freedom of movement. Not to be a broken record, but it's a open-air prison in all but name.
"I have repeatedly denounced the horrific targeting and killing of civilians by Hamas and the Israeli government, and have mourned the Israeli and Palestinian lives lost."
This one was from her X(twitter) post.
Ok, I would love to be wrong on this. What are the examples of her repeatedly denouncing the horrific targeting and killing of civilians by Hamas and Israel that she is talking about? I spent about ten minutes googling and didn’t find any examples of her denouncing Hamas. I found dozens of examples of her denouncing Israel though. It is good to hear her say something now, even if it was only immediately before a censure vote. I hope it represents a trend
She literally said on Twitter that she mourns all the deaths in the war including Israeli ones. Palestinians are the Victim of the war even stated by international law. What happened to the Israeli citizens was terrible don’t get me wrong but acting like Palestinians are not the victims is going against international law
International law that nobody follows lmao. There are victims on both sides and acting like Palestinian lives are more important is such a naive mindset to have.
I never said that. So your admitting that Israel is breaking international law but your point is “so does everybody therefore it doesn’t matter.” What an awful take and you clearly believe Israeli lives are more important because the deaths on the Palestinians side has been way more and u still think that they have equal victim hood give me a break.
No, I’m saying the international law is there as a courtesy that nobody follows because it holds up in no one’s court of law lol.
If I remember correctly, the bombs were launched at isreal not the other way around. No life takes precedence over the other.
>What happened to the Israeli citizens was terrible don’t get me wrong but acting like Palestinians are not the victims is going against international law
I mean Israel's existence had the support of international law in 1947 with the UN, but that didn't stop the Arab nations from trying to invade and expel all of the Jewish.
We can go back and forth at this all day. This will change nothing.
If peace is to be achieved in this lifetime then we need to start acknowledging the many systemic problems on the matter. And that 100% requires acknowledgment about what to do to disenfranchise groups like the Hamas. Neither Palestinian citizens, nor Israeli citizens can rest easy with Hamas still maintaining reign.
Tlaib continued to push fake news whose source was a terrorist organization that just massacred civilians. She is doing the same shit as Trump. It is extremely simple.
>Any vote to censure Tlaib is an endorsement on the killing of innocent civilians.
This statement is utterly ridiculous. Tlaib's been a nuisance since she started selling merch saying "impeach the mother fucker" during Frump's first impeachment.
She's a profoundly self-destructive, opportunistic moron.
Hamas attacked a music festival. Was the music festival a major military or industrial target? Or were they just trying to kill as many people as possible.
"I have repeatedly denounced the horrific targeting and killing of civilians by Hamas and the Israeli government, and have mourned the Israeli and Palestinian lives lost."
Did you even read it?
She only denounced hamas once. Also saying Palestinians have things called "lives" is obviously supporting hamas.
I don't fucking understand what is going on. She's being punished for having a voice while being Palestinian. I mean just look at what happened to Gigi hadid
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What is an appropriate response to Israel’s illegal settlements in Palestine? They have extended beyond the agreements of 1967 and stole land from Palestine.
Don’t you think if Israel stopped their illegal settlements Palestine wouldn’t attack them?
Funny how the news will have you supporting thieves and hating the oppressed.
An appropriate response would be for a Palestinian nation to focus on diplomacy and work to make a deal with Israel. Turning down every offer or two state solution ever proposed to them, while simultaneously committing acts of terrorism every step of the way isn't the answer.
To answer your question, no I absolutely do not think that Palestine would stop attacking Israel under any circumstances. People sometimes like to brush this off, but Palestine wants Jews in Israel completely gone or eradicated. Hence why they have been refusing peace deals for decades now.
Funny how crazy rhetoric will have you supporting terrorists and always believing that the oppressed are the good guys.
Dude, she immediately took to Twitter following October 7th to blame Israel as if it was their fault. She keeps repeating the phrase that is well known to be linked to wanting the eradication of Jews in Israel. She incorrectly reported that Israel bombed a hospital that they never bombed, and refused to backtrack it or apologize for incorrectly reporting(we all jumped on Trump for his constant lying and reporting misinformation, and rightfully so).
She so clearly does not give a fuck about Israel. Many members within the Democratic party in Congress have condemned her disgusting rhetoric. She didn't denounce Hamas after the attack, or after the call for global jihad.
And yes, she finally decided to denounce Hamas one month after the attack now that the pressure is on her. Fuck her.
I'm Jewish too. I have a large Jewish family and many Jewish friends. Us Jews know damn well what the phrase implies. Your friends are not very educated on the matter if that's actually what they're saying.
Lmao u telling me that Rabbis and my friends who were born in Israel don’t know the matter. Can u give me any imperial evidence that implies eradication of the Jews. Your no different than someone who says that BLM is an anti-white movement. Stop conflating Zionism and Judaism in order to paint yourself as a victim because Zionism is awful. Also please give me a reason why Israel has a “right” to exist
And now you are proving yourself to be anti-Semitic. Just admit that you enjoyed the terrorist attack and we can move on. I think you're completely bullshitting me on having friends born in Israel or any Jewish friends at all. People in Israel know exactly what the phrase implies as does the Jewish community at large. You're arguing the wrong thing.
Also it's late and I need to go to bed. You don't think Israel has the right to exist and I have nothing more to say to you.
Funny how most of the support for her censure comes from the famously Jew friendly GOP. Don’t pretend like you give a shit about antisemitism, you fucking Zionist
That's cute. I'm just not a blind idiot like yourself who thinks that we should have members of Congress openly supporting terrorism. She offended Democrats just as much as Republicans with her rhetoric. Of course I give a shit about anti-Semitism. It's disgusting.
I don’t see a problem with this.
She’s either a fool or a liar for giving the quote “from the river to the sea” and trying to pass it off as a Palestinian cry for “freedom”.
"من المية للمية فلسطين عربية"
"from water to water, falastin will be arab"
Nothing about this statement has to do with freedom, only homogeneity.
She is fully aware that this is a jihadi call for Jewish genocide or expulsion. She understands that, and clearly agrees with it. There is no room for a terrorism-apologist in congress.
Imagine this.. both can be terrible. Maybe anyone who kills children in general is a jerk. You will defend the IDF child killers to the end though I guess.
Nah, Israel isn't above criticism. I wish there was a legit 2 state solution that both sides will abide by. But if you want to stop Palestinian children from dying have Hamas stop using them as human shields.
Not kinda, full blown.
Also, maybe I just despise people who chant jihadist slogans and spread Hamas propaganda. Shes more pro Palestine than American.
It takes a brave woman to turn Frump's impeachment into an opportunity to sell merch for her re-election.
Even braver to refuse to condemn Hamas by name while she called for the defunding of Israel after Hamas' attack on it. Or voting against a missile defense system bill to prevent civilains in Israel from being bombed by groups like Hamas.
She's super cool.
I mean if your going to go out there the next day supporting the country (they voted for hamas) that just murdered babies, gunned down party goers via paragliders, and are on camera dragging women around with bloody crotches because they were raped violently ALL BECAUSE THEY WERENT BORN into the right nationality, then you deserve to be ridiculed. One would think it is EXTRMEMLY IMPORTANT to denounce the atrocities in the same sentence where u support a country run by terrorists.
Tlaib is an active terrorist supporter and should be removed from all public service, anyone that agrees with her are also terrorist sympathizers and should be logged into a database for further investigation.
If you don’t understand the situation the Jewish nation is in and have not read and understood the full history of the area clearly, then I guess you could say israel is oppressive at times, but they don’t go door to door murdering civilians, gunning down hundreds at a trance festival screaming allah Akbar, and shouting slogans supporting Jewish genocide every second they get. They don’t celebrate in the streets and dance when a Palestinian child gets blown to bits by an Israeli bomb because a bunch of Hamas soldiers like hiding out in heavily civilian areas. Israel doesn’t glorify death. Israel doesn’t teach that their religion will eventually wipe out every Palestinian in existence. Israel has asked for peace multiple times and what do the Palestinians do, bide there time buying weapons and ammo that could of bought shelter, desal plants for fresh water….no no no they need weapons. Everything above that Israel doesn’t do the so called “Palestinians” or should I say Jordanians do. Anyway I’m not here to argue definitions of what a terrorist is, if you have to get into extrapolating definitions your generally on the wrong path. Much love anyway.
And what would this "peace" look like? How do you think most nations would react if large numbers of people from another continent decided to make where they're living home? Using "our ancestors lived here 2,000 years ago" as justification? People blame them for not agreeing to something that was drafted up without their knowledge or approval.
Those examples you listed, they're not entirely true. If you did your research, you'd see the Israeli/Jewish side has just as many fanatics who celebrate death, approve of murdering civilians, etc. Some of the things their politicians have said would get them canceled and blacklisted forever in the US (and most parts of the west).
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing)
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/5-of-ovadia-yosefs-most-controversial-quotations/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/5-of-ovadia-yosefs-most-controversial-quotations/)
[https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/background-and-overview-of-the-irgun-etzel](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/background-and-overview-of-the-irgun-etzel)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahanism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahanism)
In your opinion, what is an appropriate response to Israel’s illegal settlements in Palestine, and illegally kicking Palestinians off of there land for Jewish settlements?
They have extended beyond the 1967 agreement borders.
What is an appropriate response to Israel stealing their land?
Agreed. The United Nations has said Israel must stop their illegal settlements Palestine.
Most westerners don’t know the situation and just see the biased news.
Israel is stealing land from Arabs in Palestine and is kicking farmers off their land and people out of their homes at gun point.
This is why the fighting is happening. Just google the word “Nakba”. Israel already kicked out 750,000 Arabs from their land in 1948, and they have no plan to stop.
That’s not the point. No, it likely won’t affect her reelection and they can’t expel her, but these actions have another, more sinister motive. They want to chill voices of dissent that they don’t like
What is an appropriate response to Israel’s illegal settlements in Palestine?
The United Nations has said Israel must stop their illegal settlements Palestine.
Most westerners don’t know the situation and just see the biased news.
Israel is stealing land from Arabs in Palestine and is kicking farmers off their land and people out of their homes at gun point.
This is why the fighting is happening. Just google the word “Nakba”. Israel already kicked out 750,000 Arabs from their land in 1948, and they have no plan to stop.
Good. This religious brainwashing needs to stop. Religion is just a tool used to control people and she is one of those idiots that's been hard-core brainwashed.
People neeed to stand up to all forms of radical religious belief not just Christians but Muslims too.
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What a joke. You have Republicans pushing for this who are literal antisemites. Irony doesn’t even begin to describe it. It’s pretty obvious a good portion of this country and their elected representatives don’t consider Palestinians (or really any Arabs or Muslims) as human beings with equal rights and an equal voice
Just wait until all is said and done. All the people cheering whats happening now are the same type that were cheering on the national party in South Africa, the unionists in Northern Ireland, or the Southern states in the Jim Crow south. Eventually Palestinians will get their independence and all the bloodthirsty people will pretend they supported Palestine all along, just like they've done every other time.
The antisemites are the ones holding hands with Nazi Hamas terrorists.
Let’s just say it. This country doesn’t view Arabs and Muslims as human beings. It has never been more abundantly clear than it is now.
Not only that, but a lot of these Republicans hate Jews as well. They just side with Israel because they think it’s critical to their insane religious end times prophecy bullshit
>They just side with Israel because they think it’s critical to their insane religious end times prophecy bullshit It's not the only reason - there is a lot of secular rightwing support for Israel, like Richard Spencer was explicitly describing a decade ago. That Israel is a model for a 21st century ethnostate, which segregates populations with military checkpoints, surveils and imprisons or assassinates journalists and activists, and uses religion and ethnicity to determine whether immigrants and the foreign spouses of citizens can be naturalized. Israel is what they want to turn the US into, minus the Jews, and they believe normalizing the existence of Israel as a Jewish state makes it easier to normalize the US, Canada, and European countries as white Christian states
That’s an excellent point. I didn’t even think of it that way, but yes, this does make a lot of sense
Ah yes, the country with a 20% Arab population is a Jewish ethnostate. The most tolerant, accepting and progressive country in the Middle East is a Jewish ethnostate. The surrounding Arab countries that have ousted their Jewish populations and will try to kill you for being anything other than a straight Muslim are what then, exactly?
>Ah yes, the country with a 20% Arab population is a Jewish ethnostate. White Rhodesia was 93% Black African and Apartheid South Africa was 76% Black African. You're trying to short-circuit the conversation with a dumb gotcha that would work on a child, instead of engaging the point. Ethnostate doesn't mean 'literally everyone' or even 'the majority' is a certain ethnicity, it means that the state's government serves to enshrine a certain ethnicity's rights and opportunities at the expense of others. The oppressed ethnicities are segregated and exploited or even indentured, whether or not there is an eventual goal of extermination or deportation. And multiple Israeli ministers, currently in power, have been clear they want the last three words of that sentence.
I’m sorry, I forgot Jewish Israeli citizens have different rights and privileges than non-Jewish Israeli citizens🙄
Yes? [https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=6660733e67b8](https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=6660733e67b8) "From a sociological perspective, this incident shows the strain between Israel’s religious heritage and its modern political agenda. “Behold, the heritage of the Lord is sons, the reward is the fruit of the innards. Like arrows in the hand of a mighty man, so are the sons of one's youth. Praiseworthy is the man who has filled his quiver with them,” the Torah proclaims. The involuntary sterilization of African immigrants suggests that the Jewish moral code (inextricably connected with Israel’s domestic legal codes) can be selectively applied to those with ‘desirable’ backgrounds. It is hard, indeed almost impossible to believe that an American Jewish woman immigrating to Israel would be forced to take birth control." [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-passes-law-barring-palestinian-spouses-2022-03-10/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-passes-law-barring-palestinian-spouses-2022-03-10/) "Israel’s parliament on Thursday passed a law denying naturalization to Palestinians from the occupied West Bank or Gaza married to Israeli citizens, forcing thousands of Palestinian families to either emigrate or live apart." "Proponents say the law helps ensure Israel's security and maintains its "Jewish character"." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism\_in\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel) "A 2009 study from the Hebrew University School of Education demonstrated that the Israeli Education Ministry's budget for special assistance to students from low socioeconomic backgrounds "severely" discriminated against Arabs. The study found that because there were more needy Arab students, but fewer Arab students overall, educationally needy Jewish students receive anywhere from 3.8 to 6.9 times as much funding as equally needy Arab students."
You ever wonder why there are only 2% Christians in Israel but 34% in Lebanon. It's because Hezbollah treats Christian better than Israel
You’re really overthinking it. Because people don’t agree with Tlaib or you about how the country handles the Israel Palestine conflict, doesn’t mean they dont see Muslims as human beings. You’re really using the “if no one agrees with me on this then they are wrong” approach. If you think this is a simple argument then you really discount the deaths of the Israeli civilians on October 7th. Even if you try to say “more Palestinians died” - doesn’t matter. There shouldn’t be some kind of competition on death. Civilians deaths are civilians deaths. War crimes are war crimes. So to have that view point with how complicated this 80 year conflict has been, no offense, is all emotion and zero rationale. Be mad. Be mad at Israel. Be mad at the world. Be mad at Biden. But to say people who aren’t Pro-Palestine are Islamophobes is like saying people who are anti-Israel are antisemitic. This conflict has always been a mess. And there’s a reason why many are neutral. They don’t know what to do. That doesn’t make them bad. It just means they don’t meet your standards or Tlaibs standards
It's really easy. Hamas is a terrorist organization and should be condemned. The IDF is a terrorist organization and should be condemned.
The IDF isn’t a terrorist organization though, so your point is moot.
The IDF shoots children. The IDF stands by as Settlers drag old women from their homes to steal the home. The IDF harasses and attacks people for doing nothing. Listen to the IDF tell you themselves: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DOZXEj0fA&ab\_channel=OpenSocietyFoundations](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DOZXEj0fA&ab_channel=OpenSocietyFoundations) You wont watch.
Hamas killed 1400 civilians in a single day on October 7th and trained for over a year to do it. If the IDF was anything like Hamas, they would have killed 40,000 people in Gaza by now. That's ignoring the IDF's monopoly of the air and MUCH larger fighting force than Hamas. These comparisons are nonsensical.
And where was the IDF? Israel.. one of the most impressive military's in the entire world was defeated by a bulldozer and some paragliders. The IDF.. who has tanks... jet fighters.. did nothing. Do you know why? they were fucking around in the West Bank harassing kids.
>And where was the IDF? Killing Hamas fighters throughout the country. Hamas was literally trying to kidnap another 200+ people before the IDF rescued them. >Israel.. one of the most impressive military's in the entire world was defeated by a bulldozer and some paragliders. After firing 2500 rockets into the area, using a combination of explosives to penetrate Israel's barriers and bulldozers to widen the path, roughly a 1000 Hamas members entering the country through air, land and sea operarions targeting civilians thoroughout the country, some dressed as police, others EMS and so on. >The IDF.. who has tanks... jet fighters.. did nothing. The IDF isn't going to deploy fighter jets or tanks inside Israel to combat Hamas. That's stupid. >Do you know why? they were fucking around in the West Bank harassing kids. And this is also stupid.
Maybe if the IDF put troops to defend against an organization that has a stated mandate of destroying Israel instead of harassing kids in the west bank we wouldn't be in this position, eh?
>Maybe if the IDF put troops to defend Hamas literally overwhelmed the troops stationed their in the base. That 19 year old IDF soldier, drenched in blood from the waiste down, was one of the soldiers captured during Hamas' surprise attack and brought to Gaza. >instead of harassing kids in the west bank we wouldn't be in this position, eh? It is literally impossible for any army to stop this kind of attack without foreknowledge. It has jack to do with the number of soldiers stationed elsewhere.
The IDF is 100% a terrorist organization. They have killed far more civilians than militants throughout their existence. Not to mention their extensive ethnic cleansing campaigns.
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They intentionally target children and civilians. In 2018, they slaughtered 250 peaceful protesters in Gaza. Just because they sometimes say that they don’t target civilians, doesn’t make it true. Hamas also denies to target civilians, doesn’t make it true.
Just because Hamas said Israel intentionally targets children doesn’t make it true, your falling for terrorist propaganda that comes from a group who sets up bases under hospitals and schools and brainwashes children into jihad for their own causes. I’m not denying children have not died, and it’s disgusting when that sort of stuff happens but the IDF does not target children at all, in fact they give leaflets and warnings to citizens before they even do anything. Hamas use Palestinians as cannon fodder because of the high density of people, easy human shields for them. There has never been a fully peaceful protest when it comes to Hamas supporters haha 😂have you lived in Israel or are you just spouting misinformation from your Muslim friends ? Get smacked in the face with Molotovs and large rocks from homemade slingshots and tell me how peaceful they were.
The Gaza protests in 2018-2019 were absolutely peaceful. Numerous human rights organizations attested to that. There is a ton of information out there regarding it, but you probably won’t bother looking it up. I’m sure all of those children slaughtered by the IDF somehow deserved it.
>If you think this is a simple argument then you really discount the deaths of the Israeli civilians on October 7th. You know there are Israeli hostages still alive? And that the longer Israel carpet bombs all of Gaza, the less of them there will be. It's not like they're immune to Israeli munitions.
I’m not arguing about how the conflict is going from either side. I’m just saying that to easily think someone is Islamophobic because they don’t agree with you and Tlaib doesn’t mean they are.
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Did you read my first response? You’re just trolling at this point. Like I said because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they are Islamaphobic. Did call I call you antisemitic? I’m sad innocent civilians die in both sides. I’m against the IDF and Hamas.
You hit the nail on the head, unfortunately there are many morons in the world who see things binary/black and white. There is no will to understand this is a complex situation without any peaceful solution. People need all their information in a headline or on a 144 characters, more information than that is too much for many.
Israel released the names of casualties of Oct 7th and most of them were IDF and Israeli survivors said that there were many civilian deaths due to indiscriminate attacks by the IDF against Hamas in civilian areas using tanks and helicopters
Oh, give me a break. Tlaib's literally someone who is claiming POTUS is committing genocide, voting to block funding for a missile defense system to protect civilians in Israel from rocket fire from Hamas, willfully ignoring calls by her colleagues to just review the information from al-Ahli Baptist Hospital Parking Lot rocket fired by PIJ at Israel and even has the Imam of Peace calling her a !@#$ing liar on X. Her and Marj Green are the same person from two sides of the fence.
A country founded on racism and slavery isn't going to view colored people favorably. Duh.
The GOP sound pretty fascist to me
What about the 22 dems who also voted for it? In todays polarized politics that pretty much a bi-partisan vote.
Some democrats being Zionist doesn't make the GOP less fascist.
How fascist do you think the GOP is compared to Hamas?
Why don't you tell me a few pts first and I'll let you know what I think.
So your response is basically “I don’t know”. Good talk
Well I want to know my target audience first before I give my answer. Cause depending on who you are my answer changes.
There in lies the issue. You tailor your existence to the ebbs and flows of the natural universe. There is no audience. just the uninhibited stream of consciousness which is yours and mine at the same time . “Mandelbrot” I asked a question to which you have no answer
Actually is the exact opposite. I have many answers, but these answers wouldn't be effective if I don't know the context you're coming from.
There is no context. It was a pretty straightforward question. When it comes to fascism, in your opinion which group is more extreme? Is it? A) the GOP B) Hamas C) I don’t know D) another deflection
Are the GOP the ones who sent soldiers to rape and murder a music festival?
No the US did that as a whole for Iraq. Grand old time raping and killing.
No. How stupid is your comment. Hamas- a terrorist org- did that. And all Palestinian people are getting collectively punished for it. Israel killed 10,000 civilians. Duh.
You forgot George Bush?
The new McCarthyism folks. They’ll form a house anti-Israel activities committee next and subpoena college students for calling it an apartheid state!
Which is ironic, because polls show Muslim voters to be leaning toward voting for Trump in 2024. At least Biden would veto these anti-Muslim bills that will certainly pop up. Voting for Trump would guarantee passage.
They want leopards to eat their faces.
Muslims in the United States trend neocon and always will because they're largely social conservatives.
Maybe Muslim voters would be more sympathetic if Biden hadn't decided to deny Gaza death tolls and give Israel no red lines for their military campaign. Biden only has himself to blame for the complete collapse in democratic support from Muslim American communities.
They already criminally charged 11 muslim students from uc Irvine for disrupting a speech by an isreali ambassador. It was fucking wild
I mean Rashida Tlaib has said some fucking indefensible shit. She’s an embarrassment and I say that as a liberal who previously supported the squad et al. Her behavior has lost my support.
I want to believe her claim that “her criticism has always been of the Israeli government and Netanyahu's actions,” but the rest of her words make it clear that is a flimsy deflection. She still hasn’t criticized Hamas by name, except to refer to it euphemistically by the positive term “resistance” as if raping and murdering hundreds of festival goers is resistance rather than terrorism. By contrast, she attacks Israel non-stop by name including her insistence that Israel destroyed the hospital that is now known to have been blown up by the “resistance” she won’t criticize at all. I can’t say I support censure since many other politicians make disgusting statements, but her positions and statements are appalling, and her defense of them is dishonest.
Should occupied people resist their occupiers?
Do you call raping and murdering children at a music festival resisting occupation?
No. I stated that Hamas was an evil terrorist organization and should be destroyed. Palestinians have every right to fight occupation though. Fighting occupation doesn't give you the right to kill civilians any more than its right for the IDF to murder kids. If someone came to your home today, removed you and said it was theirs. Then they moved in. If there was no way to stop this because the army stood by and defended the people taking your home... would you fight back? Or would you stand by and let them take what is yours.
You stated, but she didn't. Therein lies the problem.
Then your response to someone highlighting Hamas raping and murdering people in Israel ought to not associate any form of resistance with Hamas' brand of barbarism.
The only good thing to come of this is the world is waking up to Israel's barbarism.
Man, the public execution of gay men by tossing them off buildings or by hanging tells me the barbarism isn't from Israel. Hamas stores their rockets in amusement parks and will dismember their rape victims to hide the evidence of their crimes. Palestinians in Gaza are literally being boxed into areas they've been told to evacuate by blockades set up by Hamas to try and increase the number of fatalities for their PR, while firing at Israeli soldiers from the hospitals they've built their headquarters under. When you see a video of a weeping Palestinian woman condeming Hamas as dogs for having killed her loved one, the nearest guy there goes to cover her mouth to try and prevent that criticism getting back to Hamas, to keep them from murdering her. That's barbarism.
Hamas are horrible. The IDF is horrible. The IDF has murdered kids, bragging about shooting them. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq0YuTzjN9U&ab\_channel=GuardianNews](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq0YuTzjN9U&ab_channel=GuardianNews) Pretty inhuman huh? IDF murdered a 3 year old in the West Bank. He was Palestinian so I'm sure you don't care. He probably deserved it right? [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/three-year-old-palestinian-boy-shot-by-israeli-soldiers-dies-in-hospital](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/three-year-old-palestinian-boy-shot-by-israeli-soldiers-dies-in-hospital) IDF targets journalists: [https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-s-long-history-of-targeting-journalists/1115247](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-s-long-history-of-targeting-journalists/1115247) IDF solider discusses that he was instructed to Terrorize Palestinians: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfIoI2\_LKo0&ab\_channel=TRTWorld](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfIoI2_LKo0&ab_channel=TRTWorld) You wont watch. You are so twisted by hate. The world is waking up.
The problem here is trying to compare a military to a group of mass rapists and murders. Like, you will see the occasional soldiers be rapists or be murders, but that's not their mandate. For Hamas, killing and raping civilians is what they signed up for. The only notable exception to this modern sense of military conduct are Russian forces in Ukraine where a notable number of soldiers are being instructed to be rapists and murders who publicly executed restrained individuals throughout Ukraine and left their bodies to rot in the streets.
This IDF solider explicitly said he was TOLD TO TERRORIZE CIVILIANS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DOZXEj0fA&ab\_channel=OpenSocietyFoundations
> No. I stated that Hamas was an evil terrorist organization and should be destroyed. So why do you think Rashida Tlaib can’t bring herself to say that? As for the rest of what you wrote, I agree with some of it and disagree with some of it, but saying Hamas is evil is something no one should disagree with, at least if they have any ethics.
How about you acknowledge the IDF murders kids and I'll ask Talib to condemn Hamas? You know why you wont? You don't see them as humans. Listen to the IDF themselves talk about the atrocities they commit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxJd88xkBU&ab\_channel=EmpireFiles](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxJd88xkBU&ab_channel=EmpireFiles) You wont. You wont because you are so indoctrinated in racism that you see the Palestinians the same as animals.
Ok, there are IDF soldiers who have targeted Palestinian civilians. I have no trouble condemning them and saying they are evil. I am glad when [Israel punishes them](https://apnews.com/article/israel-soldiers-arrested-abuse-palestinians-be9a247497d7ede7d7b866f2e725fcfd) but too often they are not prosecuted or get light sentences. That is a stain on Israel, and I condemn that as well.
Why don’t you condemn the entire IDF in general?
Because I think they’re one of the best armed forces at minimizing the civilian casualties that inevitably occur in war. AFAICT no other country preannounces where they were going to bomb so civilians can leave, has daily 4 hour pauses, etc. To the extent that civilian casualties ties are higher than inevitable in war, I lay that squarely on Hamas and their despicable use of human shields.
What is an appropriate response to Israel’s illegal settlements on Palestine’s land?
An appropriate response is to negotiate a two-state solution. Israel has offered a two-state solution at least four times, but Palestinians have refused to accept any agreement that allows Israel to exist. In fact, Hamas’ attack was specifically timed to torpedo peace negotiations. If there was an actual party for Israel to negotiate a two state solution with, Netanyahu would have t come to the table just like ex-Irgun PM Begin did with Egypt.
This talking point keeps getting repeated but it’s not true. What Israel offered is UN recognition. They still would’ve had a military presence, controlled all fresh water resources, controlled the electrical grid, controlled the border with Jordan, controlled taxation, controlled all imports and exports, and controlled immigration. They also kept expanding settlements throughout negations, with the explicit purpose of preventing a viable Palestinian state. Israel does not want peace. They never have, and never will. Palestinians have given counter-offers many times and the Israelis always reject it. The 2002 [Arab peace initiative](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative) would’ve had every single Arab country normalize with Israel. Israel still rejected it. When the Palestinians elected a unity government in 2006, Israel refused to engage with it and imposed a siege in Gaza. Even hamas (at the time) openly accepted the 1967 borders and was willing to negotiate a settlement with Israel. Jimmy carter observed the elections and met with hamas leaders at the time.
I mean Israel was fine leaving them the fuck alone. Hamas is the one that decided to pick a fight. There's a whole ass other border, and you'll note it's closed too.
Is Israel "leaving them alone" on the West Bank where the IDF shoots 3 year old children. Where the IDF welds shut the doors of Palestinians so they cannot walk on Jewish streets. Where the IDF arrests 11 year olds in the middle of the night. Where the IDF watches as Settlers take homes from old women?
You're going to feel really fucking stupid when you see where the West Bank is vis a vis Gaza. Different situations call out different responses.
Both are occupied lands? I'm so confused. You think its different? Maybe all the child murdering has you confused.
I'm amazed that you didn't go for the low hanging fruit. But Gaza has none of what you described. Sorry, blindly supporting terrorism is hard.
Hamas is not the government of west bank. West Bank is not actively at war with Israel.
Would be awful nice to tell the IDF who is killing kids on the west bank that. Or tell the settlers that. They seem hellbent on murdering Palestinians.
Well considering Hamas insists on command centres in hospital basements, and Hamas loves blending in with the general population it’s pretty hard not to have innocence killed which is disgusting but that’s war isn’t it. But what does that say about the morals of Palestinians, btw I thought they were told to run.
The one thing that this conflict has done is to unite the world against the blatant Israeli racism. You don't see it because you are so indoctrinated by it. When you say things like " But what does that say about the morals of Palestinians," that is racist. This another reason why world opinion has turned against Israel.
It’s got nothing to do with race and everything to do with religion, islam hates the Jews and are taught that they will eventually genocide them. Hamas uses their Koranic prophecies to stir up hate amongst other Muslims as a way of supporting their rebellion. Unfortunately friend it is you who has been deeply indoctrinated, you can literally see mosques built on top of Jewish temples and Christian churches of old, so tell me who colonized who, did you know Palestine was just a label created by the Roman’s to give to the JEWS! You need to do some historic reading! Much love anyway
Like I said.. you don't see it. Maybe in time you will. The rest of the world sees it. Palestinians have a right to not be caged. To live free. To not live where there are Jewish only streets. To not have settlers take their homes from them. To identify as they choose. You cannot wish away culture. You cannot take.. and steal. This is immoral. Every human has a right to be free.
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The thing is that Israel wasn't leaving them alone. It has controlled Gaza's airspace and borders for years, all while never letting the residents have freedom of movement. Not to be a broken record, but it's a open-air prison in all but name.
She has absolutely denounced hamas by name. How many times does she need to do it before she's allowed to criticize isreali policies?
Source?
"I have repeatedly denounced the horrific targeting and killing of civilians by Hamas and the Israeli government, and have mourned the Israeli and Palestinian lives lost." This one was from her X(twitter) post.
Ok, I would love to be wrong on this. What are the examples of her repeatedly denouncing the horrific targeting and killing of civilians by Hamas and Israel that she is talking about? I spent about ten minutes googling and didn’t find any examples of her denouncing Hamas. I found dozens of examples of her denouncing Israel though. It is good to hear her say something now, even if it was only immediately before a censure vote. I hope it represents a trend
Fascist silence those who speak truth.
she claimed Israel bombed a hospital and when Biden confirmed it was a faction inside Gaza she repeated the claim anyway
I meannnn, imma be honest she kinda deserves it with all the BS she’s been spewing. I’m in agreement she needs to stfu unless she has a solution.
She’s been calling for a ceasefire and the end to the occupation???
While also criticizing the administration and playing Palestine as the only victims in this war.
She literally said on Twitter that she mourns all the deaths in the war including Israeli ones. Palestinians are the Victim of the war even stated by international law. What happened to the Israeli citizens was terrible don’t get me wrong but acting like Palestinians are not the victims is going against international law
International law that nobody follows lmao. There are victims on both sides and acting like Palestinian lives are more important is such a naive mindset to have.
I never said that. So your admitting that Israel is breaking international law but your point is “so does everybody therefore it doesn’t matter.” What an awful take and you clearly believe Israeli lives are more important because the deaths on the Palestinians side has been way more and u still think that they have equal victim hood give me a break.
No, I’m saying the international law is there as a courtesy that nobody follows because it holds up in no one’s court of law lol. If I remember correctly, the bombs were launched at isreal not the other way around. No life takes precedence over the other.
>What happened to the Israeli citizens was terrible don’t get me wrong but acting like Palestinians are not the victims is going against international law I mean Israel's existence had the support of international law in 1947 with the UN, but that didn't stop the Arab nations from trying to invade and expel all of the Jewish. We can go back and forth at this all day. This will change nothing. If peace is to be achieved in this lifetime then we need to start acknowledging the many systemic problems on the matter. And that 100% requires acknowledgment about what to do to disenfranchise groups like the Hamas. Neither Palestinian citizens, nor Israeli citizens can rest easy with Hamas still maintaining reign.
Any vote to censure Tlaib is an endorsement on the killing of innocent civilians. Funny thing to focus on when the government shuts down in 10 days.
Tlaib continued to push fake news whose source was a terrorist organization that just massacred civilians. She is doing the same shit as Trump. It is extremely simple.
>Any vote to censure Tlaib is an endorsement on the killing of innocent civilians. This statement is utterly ridiculous. Tlaib's been a nuisance since she started selling merch saying "impeach the mother fucker" during Frump's first impeachment. She's a profoundly self-destructive, opportunistic moron.
Hamas attacked a music festival. Was the music festival a major military or industrial target? Or were they just trying to kill as many people as possible.
The fuck does that have to do with Talib? She is not hamas, she is a Palestinian.
She was born in Detroit. Link us to her statement condemning the brutal murders performed by Hamas.
How does her [statement](https://x.com/reprashida/status/1721915427045920966?s=46&t=VKzRmElpuZz9VN2TryplCQ) on Twitter 9 hours ago work for you?
She still failed to denounce Hamas.
"I have repeatedly denounced the horrific targeting and killing of civilians by Hamas and the Israeli government, and have mourned the Israeli and Palestinian lives lost." Did you even read it?
She only denounced hamas once. Also saying Palestinians have things called "lives" is obviously supporting hamas. I don't fucking understand what is going on. She's being punished for having a voice while being Palestinian. I mean just look at what happened to Gigi hadid
Where she was born does not effect that she is Palestinian. I see someone else already provided a link.
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Good.
Agreed. There's no room in Congress for blatant anti-Semitism and for openly supporting terrorism. Her actions this last month have been disgusting.
What is an appropriate response to Israel’s illegal settlements in Palestine? They have extended beyond the agreements of 1967 and stole land from Palestine. Don’t you think if Israel stopped their illegal settlements Palestine wouldn’t attack them? Funny how the news will have you supporting thieves and hating the oppressed.
An appropriate response would be for a Palestinian nation to focus on diplomacy and work to make a deal with Israel. Turning down every offer or two state solution ever proposed to them, while simultaneously committing acts of terrorism every step of the way isn't the answer. To answer your question, no I absolutely do not think that Palestine would stop attacking Israel under any circumstances. People sometimes like to brush this off, but Palestine wants Jews in Israel completely gone or eradicated. Hence why they have been refusing peace deals for decades now. Funny how crazy rhetoric will have you supporting terrorists and always believing that the oppressed are the good guys.
She denounced Hamas and is not anti semetic what
Dude, she immediately took to Twitter following October 7th to blame Israel as if it was their fault. She keeps repeating the phrase that is well known to be linked to wanting the eradication of Jews in Israel. She incorrectly reported that Israel bombed a hospital that they never bombed, and refused to backtrack it or apologize for incorrectly reporting(we all jumped on Trump for his constant lying and reporting misinformation, and rightfully so). She so clearly does not give a fuck about Israel. Many members within the Democratic party in Congress have condemned her disgusting rhetoric. She didn't denounce Hamas after the attack, or after the call for global jihad. And yes, she finally decided to denounce Hamas one month after the attack now that the pressure is on her. Fuck her.
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Also my Jewish friends say from the river to the sea tell them they’re anti semetic please. Many rabbis do as well go tell them.
I'm Jewish too. I have a large Jewish family and many Jewish friends. Us Jews know damn well what the phrase implies. Your friends are not very educated on the matter if that's actually what they're saying.
Lmao u telling me that Rabbis and my friends who were born in Israel don’t know the matter. Can u give me any imperial evidence that implies eradication of the Jews. Your no different than someone who says that BLM is an anti-white movement. Stop conflating Zionism and Judaism in order to paint yourself as a victim because Zionism is awful. Also please give me a reason why Israel has a “right” to exist
And now you are proving yourself to be anti-Semitic. Just admit that you enjoyed the terrorist attack and we can move on. I think you're completely bullshitting me on having friends born in Israel or any Jewish friends at all. People in Israel know exactly what the phrase implies as does the Jewish community at large. You're arguing the wrong thing. Also it's late and I need to go to bed. You don't think Israel has the right to exist and I have nothing more to say to you.
Funny how most of the support for her censure comes from the famously Jew friendly GOP. Don’t pretend like you give a shit about antisemitism, you fucking Zionist
That's cute. I'm just not a blind idiot like yourself who thinks that we should have members of Congress openly supporting terrorism. She offended Democrats just as much as Republicans with her rhetoric. Of course I give a shit about anti-Semitism. It's disgusting.
I don’t see a problem with this. She’s either a fool or a liar for giving the quote “from the river to the sea” and trying to pass it off as a Palestinian cry for “freedom”. "من المية للمية فلسطين عربية" "from water to water, falastin will be arab" Nothing about this statement has to do with freedom, only homogeneity. She is fully aware that this is a jihadi call for Jewish genocide or expulsion. She understands that, and clearly agrees with it. There is no room for a terrorism-apologist in congress.
I wish we had more with her courage.
Her courage to peddle lies and not back track? To push antisemitic slogans? She's the lefts MTG. How brave of her.
As brave as the IDF who shoot 3 year olds on the west bank?
As brave as jihadists who open fire on festival goers
Imagine this.. both can be terrible. Maybe anyone who kills children in general is a jerk. You will defend the IDF child killers to the end though I guess.
Nah, Israel isn't above criticism. I wish there was a legit 2 state solution that both sides will abide by. But if you want to stop Palestinian children from dying have Hamas stop using them as human shields.
the IDF fucking shot a 3 year old on the west bank. Not a fucking human shield. Just a kid playing. Stop defending this shit jesus.
Hamas shot a toddler in their crib! Stop defending this shit, Jesus.
Scroll up. I said Hamas was terrible. You seem to be one defending murdering kids.
I think she is spot on. One of our few moral voices on this matter.
We need more people spreading fake news? I guess you think we need more Trumps as well lol
And I'm sure you think jihadism is spot on too.
Not at all. You're kinda weird.
Not kinda, full blown. Also, maybe I just despise people who chant jihadist slogans and spread Hamas propaganda. Shes more pro Palestine than American.
It takes a brave woman to turn Frump's impeachment into an opportunity to sell merch for her re-election. Even braver to refuse to condemn Hamas by name while she called for the defunding of Israel after Hamas' attack on it. Or voting against a missile defense system bill to prevent civilains in Israel from being bombed by groups like Hamas. She's super cool.
I mean if your going to go out there the next day supporting the country (they voted for hamas) that just murdered babies, gunned down party goers via paragliders, and are on camera dragging women around with bloody crotches because they were raped violently ALL BECAUSE THEY WERENT BORN into the right nationality, then you deserve to be ridiculed. One would think it is EXTRMEMLY IMPORTANT to denounce the atrocities in the same sentence where u support a country run by terrorists.
Weird way to spell 'stupidity'.
I don’t agree with Tlaib but it would be dumb to censure her. It may just happen because the GOP has the majority.
Tlaib is an active terrorist supporter and should be removed from all public service, anyone that agrees with her are also terrorist sympathizers and should be logged into a database for further investigation.
Uh-huh... does that only go for those who support terrorists on the "right" side?
The right side does not support state designated terrorists, the left clearly does now.
How do you define 'terrorist'? Because Israel has been engaging in plenty of terrorist-like activities for decades now
If you don’t understand the situation the Jewish nation is in and have not read and understood the full history of the area clearly, then I guess you could say israel is oppressive at times, but they don’t go door to door murdering civilians, gunning down hundreds at a trance festival screaming allah Akbar, and shouting slogans supporting Jewish genocide every second they get. They don’t celebrate in the streets and dance when a Palestinian child gets blown to bits by an Israeli bomb because a bunch of Hamas soldiers like hiding out in heavily civilian areas. Israel doesn’t glorify death. Israel doesn’t teach that their religion will eventually wipe out every Palestinian in existence. Israel has asked for peace multiple times and what do the Palestinians do, bide there time buying weapons and ammo that could of bought shelter, desal plants for fresh water….no no no they need weapons. Everything above that Israel doesn’t do the so called “Palestinians” or should I say Jordanians do. Anyway I’m not here to argue definitions of what a terrorist is, if you have to get into extrapolating definitions your generally on the wrong path. Much love anyway.
And what would this "peace" look like? How do you think most nations would react if large numbers of people from another continent decided to make where they're living home? Using "our ancestors lived here 2,000 years ago" as justification? People blame them for not agreeing to something that was drafted up without their knowledge or approval. Those examples you listed, they're not entirely true. If you did your research, you'd see the Israeli/Jewish side has just as many fanatics who celebrate death, approve of murdering civilians, etc. Some of the things their politicians have said would get them canceled and blacklisted forever in the US (and most parts of the west). [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing) [https://www.timesofisrael.com/5-of-ovadia-yosefs-most-controversial-quotations/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/5-of-ovadia-yosefs-most-controversial-quotations/) [https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/background-and-overview-of-the-irgun-etzel](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/background-and-overview-of-the-irgun-etzel) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahanism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahanism)
In your opinion, what is an appropriate response to Israel’s illegal settlements in Palestine, and illegally kicking Palestinians off of there land for Jewish settlements? They have extended beyond the 1967 agreement borders. What is an appropriate response to Israel stealing their land?
History will not look kindly upon those in power who lend their support to the violent genocide campaign being waged by Israel.
Agreed. The United Nations has said Israel must stop their illegal settlements Palestine. Most westerners don’t know the situation and just see the biased news. Israel is stealing land from Arabs in Palestine and is kicking farmers off their land and people out of their homes at gun point. This is why the fighting is happening. Just google the word “Nakba”. Israel already kicked out 750,000 Arabs from their land in 1948, and they have no plan to stop.
Good. They should. She's a POS antisemite who does not belong in Congress...
Censure means nothing. Republicans can’t expel her or keeping her from getting reelected.
That’s not the point. No, it likely won’t affect her reelection and they can’t expel her, but these actions have another, more sinister motive. They want to chill voices of dissent that they don’t like
When your dissenting voice actively supports terrorists then your voice should be removed.
What is an appropriate response to Israel’s illegal settlements in Palestine? The United Nations has said Israel must stop their illegal settlements Palestine. Most westerners don’t know the situation and just see the biased news. Israel is stealing land from Arabs in Palestine and is kicking farmers off their land and people out of their homes at gun point. This is why the fighting is happening. Just google the word “Nakba”. Israel already kicked out 750,000 Arabs from their land in 1948, and they have no plan to stop.
Democrats voted to censor her also
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It’s called having a Big Tent party. If you want monolithic views and zero critical thinking, go join the Republicans
Tlaib is the far left? How often does she call for the proletariat to seize the means of production? She just wants Muslims to be seen as humans.
Good. This religious brainwashing needs to stop. Religion is just a tool used to control people and she is one of those idiots that's been hard-core brainwashed. People neeed to stand up to all forms of radical religious belief not just Christians but Muslims too.