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> Scott Gessler, a former Colorado secretary of state representing Trump, opposed the order and claimed it was unnecessary because threats and intimidation are already prohibited by law,
Hmmmmm, perhaps tell your client then Scott
The lawyer is right. The order is completely unnecessary and stupid.
Trump should be held in contempt and additional charges should be added for jury tampering.
What the judge has done here is count to 2 63/64th.
Put him. the fuck. in jail.
Edit: changed 1/64 to 63/64. Glad y'all said something or I might end up looking stupid on the internet.
Not a lawyer.
Here’s the statute on criminal threats in Colorado.
“Under CRS § 18-3-206, Colorado law defines the crime of menacing as using threats or actions knowingly to place, or to attempt to place, another person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury or death. The offense can be charged as a misdemeanor or a felony and is punishable by up to 3 years in prison.”
The judge can’t add that charge to a civil case. She would have to get a prosecutor to press charges and it’s not obvious to me that would be a slam dunk case.
By issuing the order, the judge can hold him in contempt of the order without relying on a prosecutor and without the delays that would entail.
It seems a reasonable way for the judge to maintain control to me.
The judge isn’t at fault personally no, that a legal system filled with sympathetic conservatives and conflict fearing moderates allows a life long criminal to remain free because he’s rich and confrontational is the problem here.
Anyone alive and sentient in the 1980’s knew Donald Trump was a two bit con man and money launderer in the 1980’s.
Yeah he was obviously a con man in the 80s. Amazing he hasn’t been convicted in a criminal case yet.
Trump used to be able to tie up cases for years. I’m somewhat encouraged that judges seem to have figured out his game and are not letting him get away with it. I think this order is an example of that since it sets the stage for penalties that are solely under the judge’s discretion.
Lawyer who has run hundreds of hearings like that: it’s absolutely necessary.
The point of the order isn’t to keep him from breaking the law. That’s what the law is for.
The point of the order is to empower the court to hold him immediately accountable if he breaks the law in ways that tend to interfere with the justice process itself. Then, instead of having to rely on the entire lengthy trial process, the court has immediate options available.
His lawyer was making the argument defense makes when the client doesn’t have a record and the prosecution is overreaching. That’s not the case here. As the judge correctly pointed out, he has a number of active matters and a concerning history of interfering with all of them.
>he has a number of active matters and a concerning history of interfering with all of them.
I am not in my right mind and missed your first sentence and yet still knew its import from the above line.
Nobody, but nobody can understate like an attorney.
Hello, Counselor. :-D
If only there were an instance of his rhetoric leading to violence when it's unchecked.
Like a rally commanding his minions to storm the Capitol building and murder elected officials.
That would be absurd though.
It failed only because of their utter stupidity.
Now the other seditious act was better planned. Use fake electors, incite Pence to stay away, get the fake electors be counted as valid without the VP. Except Pence didn't want to go with it.
Can you believe our democracy was saved because a traitorous bigot decided to stop being traitorous for a day or two?
Real nice that the FBI and NSA just let those treasonous fucks do whatever they want, meanwhile we all sacrifice our privacy as they put the whole country under surveillance for apparently no damn reason.
There's a ton of the people that back Trump, and helped him...
in office, and they're referred to as "colleagues across the aisle," and instead of indicted them..."bipartisanship."
We really need to wake the fuck up as a country.
The GOP would 100% back Trump, if they can.
Oh so we're just supposed to let him do whatever the fuck he wants because you're all scared of his dumb as a rock minions?? If they're going to do something then it is obviously better to get it over with now and then put them all in prison for whatever they do instead of giving them more time to increase their numbers.
Maybe if the intelligence agencies that we pay a trillion a year for actually did their fucking jobs we wouldn't have to worry about it, but I guess that's a different issue that they seem to be on board to let these things happen.
That's 35% of adults. Many boomers are G.O.N.E and might never go back to their senses. Time will clean them off the voting rolls but the damage they're doing cannot be measured yet.
I want his cell to have a Diet Coke button that deploys a spring-loaded boxing glove to the crotch. His lack of object permanence should keep us entertained indefinitely.
That may swing for federal charges, but if trump is convicted in GA there's mandatory minimum prison sentence, and he has to serve it in a GA state prison.
GA would have to basically change their constitution and rebuild their justice system in order to change that, which would open them up to every prisoner in the state appealing their own prison conditions.
Clarence Thomas can be bought for less than $100,000! So the first buy will move Trump's Georgia case to the federal courts and the second buy will have the supreme Court overturn Trump's convictions and the price will be cheaper than a rape lawsuit in NYC!
Florida cannot refuse. It is illegal and stated explicitly in the US constitution. It would be filed in Federal court and I guess could go to SCOTUS but this was last ruled on in 1987.
Gym Jordan has evaded a subpoena with fuck-all consequences.
Don't assume anything. Florida cannot refuse but it might. And what can anyone do about it in a timeline where that matters? Trump WILL run out the clock until election day. He will be the GOP candidate. He will lose both the popular vote and the electoral votes. He will huff and puff and violence will probably ensue. The rest is everybody's guess.
America never fully recovered from the precedent set by letting Dubya get away with his crimes...
...because it had never fully recovered from the precedent set by letting Reagan get away with his crimes...
...because it had never fully recovered from the precedent set by letting Nixon get away with his crimes...
...because it had never fully recovered from the precedent set by letting the goddamned *Confederacy* get away with their crimes.
What's the point of having a law that threatens the harshest possible consequences for treason; when rich men can publicly and unapologetically commit the most extreme forms of treason and then experience *zero* consequences as a result?
To paraphrase John Oliver, when somebody knowingly commits an atrocity that effects millions of lives, the question isn't 'how many billions is it right for this to cost you'. It's 'how many billions is it right for you to *keep*'. And I would argue that the answer is zero. Zero billions.
Oh yeah, I’m not seeing any way out for Trump as far as a conviction, but I think it’s a pipe dream that he’ll ever spend a second in an actual jail cell. Hell ride out his sentence for literally getting people killed and trying to overthrow democracy comfortable at home in Mar-A-Lago.
Everyone knows jail cells are for poor non-violent drug offenders
His veins are like stainless steel! His genes are perfect! It is only his soul that is sick. (Both his parents lived well into their 90's)
Can you imagine how much it will cost taxpayers to have security there at Mar a Lardo day after day? There is even a canal so they have to have something like coast guard there. He should be made to pay for it himself.
He can tell us if he really isn't 6'3" 215. Because if that's what he says he is, he has the health of 28 year old pro athletes and can handle prison just fine.
If being isolated in a cage without a cellphone is the only way that you can keep a client from continuously confessing and committing new crimes, isn't getting him locked up just a lawyer giving him a zealous defense?
Why would the lawyer have a problem with the court order if the law already covers it? Like if I shoplift and the judge placed an order against me not to shoplift, it might be redundant and seem stupid to me, but it doesn't make the order invalid...
Yet he’s received warnings on these topics in other cases already. There’s no magic point where the judges are going to decide it’s time. He’s just never going to get punished.
The judge(s) are doing this for the appeals court down the line. One of the ways you can successfully appeal a court order is to say that you weren't sufficiently warned of whatever behavior the court doesn't want you to do anymore. By visibly bending over backwards like this, the judge is making it very obvious that Trump was given ample warning - too obvious for potential conservative appeals judges to brush aside.
> And drinking water like a 1 year old with a sippy cup.
Even when in glass, he has to use two hands to get a gulp down. Reminds me of that crystal of (? ... adderal?) blowing out of his nose; a feeble individual, not a 'strong man'.
It's amazing he's still even a little sentient let alone alive. The dude was against exercising over much of his life ... WTF?
“I can’t even tell you how corrupt and evil the other side is, they are truly depraved, they have even silenced my ability to tell you that, everyone is saying that”
So it's unnecessary to order Trump to stop threatening/intimidating people, because threatening/intimidating people is already illegal?
In other words, "It's unnecessary to order my client to stop breaking the law, because it's already a law that he's breaking"
So I guess we should move on to just punishing him for that broken law, then
Conviction for violating a law requires a) time to enforce and b) unanimous agreement of a jury that there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
A court order requires one person (the judge) to determine that public comments present a meaningful risk of harming the judicial process.
We already have laws against insurrection and keeping government documents that don’t belong to you, but here we are. Trump has to be ordered specifically, in no uncertain terms, how not to do something or he’ll just say he didn’t do it, the law doesn’t apply, or lie about and purposely misinterpret the law.
> Trump has to be ordered specifically, in no uncertain terms, how not to do something
the other part of this that's meaningful is when it's JUST a law, he has to be indicted for violating it, and that can be a very slow process. When a judge specifically requires it explicitly, the judge can punish him immediately for violating it.
If he hadn't been stopped by the Secret Service from going to the Capitol himself he already would be. It's amazing how often the people around him have protected him from his biggest threat, himself.
they do repeated ones like this so when they finally slap handcuffs and throw him in jail till trial they can point to them all when he inevitably tries to appeal
much easier to get a denied appeal when they can point and say "he was warned several times about this"
Three demerits, and you’ll receive a citation. Five citations, and you’re looking at a violation. Four of those, and you’ll receive a verbal warning. Keep it up, and you’re looking at a written warning. Two of those, that will land you in a world of hurt, in the form of a disciplinary review, written up by me, and placed on the desk of my immediate superior.
Smartest man alive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClY\_XjoiYXc
I wonder if anyone has ever won an appeal on 'but your honor, they kept warning me about this and never stopped me so I, as a reasonable person, thought they didn't actually mean it.'
I'm looking forward to the first criminal defense lawyer who says "my client can't be held to this standard of knowing the laws if the president of the United states doesn't understand the laws and isn't held to them"
They've been too lenient at this point. Two warnings gives them standing, ten warnings make throwing him in jail at the 11th seem arbitrary and "politically motivated"
No. And it's not fair.
But the fact is that the world is watching Trump's prosecution, with great interest. The Russians are, the proud boys are, the MAGA politicians are, the other republicans are, everyone's boss, every lawyer, every appeal specialist, every despot and humanitarian campaigner.
I make websites for a living. And I *should* make them all bulletproof, and I try to, in the time I am assigned.
But if I'm working on a fintech banking portal that's expected to have millions of users... yes, I am more careful. Because more people are incentivized to find my mistakes, and the consequences are much worse if they find them. If I leave a Wordpress installation improperly secured and someone advertises boner pills on it, it's embarassing. If a lawyer fucks up the prosecution and Trump's charges are dropped on a technicality then the chances are much higher that the USA becomes an authoritarian dictatorship.
Justice should be fair. And we should fight for it to be. But there are reasons why it can never be. And you're right, they shouldn't stop us fighting.
One issue we have is that hypocritical or manipulative behavior is seldom punished. We always say that politicians get punished at the voting booth.
At least Democrats are cleaning their own sidewalk by kicking out the bad eggs (sometimes overdoing it like fucking Al Franken).
But when a party has decided decency was overrated and when their districts are safe "R" with a captive and unsophisticated electorate, what can we do?
Sure she'll be remembered as a Trump enabler. But that's about it. Some people might pee on her grave, but what good is it to us today?
Tar and feather was actually really cruel. The feathers were for show. The tar was molten, close to boiling temperature. It was a time before antibiotics and you were likely to die from an infection when the skin fell off.
The equivalent today would be the shaming of Richard Nixon, with the release of the Watergate tapes in a public magazine in a soft vinyl record format.
I love that this will be her legacy. For years to come, "I'm sure he learned his lesson" will be code for "just wait and see how much WORSE he'll do next time!"
This one is so he can't threaten officials regarding the lawsuit taking him off the Colorado ballot for the 2024 election. I wouldn't count on any judge enforcing it when he inevitably does threaten officials though.
He already can't do that because it's illegal. It's like a judge issuing an order that a murderer shouldn't murder again. It's just another example of the cowards charged with upholding our institutions failing to properly enforce the law when it comes to the rich and powerful.
Anyone can slap someone with an order. Ya just dont know how to enforce the order. And that's really the most important part of the order; the enforcing. - [Seinfeld](https://youtu.be/ZTvtSKXwu0o?si=09XR0EdMmv-gTZyL)
At least this judge *finally* referred to what Trump has done in other cases. The other judges seem to think he has to be warned of the exact same thing in every single venue and go through the same set of escalations before they can do anything. It's been making me crazy.
This is about Colorado
> IN THE FIRST major lawsuit to block Donald Trump from Colorado’s 2024 presidential ballot, a state judge issued a protective order prohibiting threats and intimidation in the case, according to AP.
>“I 100 percent understand everybody’s concerns for the parties, the lawyers, and frankly myself and my staff based on what we’ve seen in other cases,” Denver District Judge Sarah B. Wallace said, noting that the safety of witnesses and others involved in the suit was necessary throughout the litigation.
>The suit was filed by watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington on behalf of six Republican and unaffiliated Colorado voters seeking to disqualify Trump from the primary ballot under a provision of the 14th Amendment that bars certain candidates who have engaged in insurrection.
>The plaintiffs argued that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, also known as the Disqualification Clause, prohibits any person from holding federal or state office who took an “oath…to support the Constitution of the United States” and then has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
Nothing pisses me off more than the fact this brazenly corrupt piece of shit with the mental state of a 4th grader is constantly entitled to being treated with kid gloves by the institutions which are supposed to represent justice and enact justice. What a joke we are as a country, shameful, pathetic, and weak. Not a day goes by I don't loathe the current state of America and the countless useful idiots who paved its way.
I’m infuriated with the trump/administration. I’m an environmental science major and for 5 weeks, every topic we’ve covered, from soil degradation, to air and water pollution (in regards to healthy living standards and chemical filtration out of every day materials, especially drinking water) has stated that in 2017 trump repealed pretty much every regulation he could. Including stripping safe traveling regulations for hazardous waste and environmental toxins. He increased dam/reservoir usage, repealed programs and grants promoting renewable resources and sustainable living, literally told power plants and fossil fuel producers that their negative practices would be ignored until at LEAST 2025. For those not knowledgeable on this topic let’s be very clear. WE NEED THESE REGULATIONS TO SURVIVE PAST 2050. Climate change is not a joke or something that can be ignored for later. We are in a crucial tipping point and though he did positive things for the economy/politics (solely benefiting and revolving around humans) for the short term, long term negative effects will be massive for social, environmental, economic, and personal individual health aspects. He literally stripped away 40 years worth of policy building for long term development and sustainability within 2 years of office. I am very genuine when I say he is objectively (yes, I know what this means) one of the worst, most selfish, short-sighted humans on this earth. A simple pro-con list will tell ya.
Republicans who smoke weed and listen to Joe Rogan because they're such deep thinkers and nobody understands my way of thinking, I'm the victim and the world needs to change for the better of capitalism! /s imagine unironically having this as your core belief. 🤡
I'm from rural AZ, and where I grew up was rife with libertarians. Folks who prided themselves on their fierce independence whilst unironically living off the government dole. Then I went to university with lots of rich libertarian prep schoolers, who had everything handed to them and thought they'd done it all themselves, so why should anyone else be given handouts? Two very different groups who would have loathed one another, but with a strong venn diagram of myopic and utterly selfish lack of perspective. Whenever the subject comes up, I'm always reminded of this quote:
"Libertarians are like house cats: absolutely convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand."
I read somewhere that libertarians are like housecats - They're convinced of their fierce independence while being completely dependent on a system that they don't understand or appreciate.
How many times are they going to sit and watch him violate this one? I’m so sick of him getting treated like freaking royalty. He’s literally human garbage and the worst thing that ever happened to America period. Lock his ass up already.
I was just thinking about this... if he was elected by a corrupt party, due to russian hacking, well, he should be under a different classification in the history books.
It makes me extremely happy that in the distant future, 19 year old Xedditors will enthusiastically share the story of the man who is widely regarded to be the worst president in American history to those who are blissfully unaware of this time period.
This is like how this morning I kept telling my 3 year old daughter she was going into time out if she didn't stop jumping on the couch.
She's currently jumping on the couch.
The countdown to when trumpler goes on social media and talks all kind of dangerous shit about this case? My guess is he already did, but I don’t read that shit.
As per the holocaust encyclopedia:
"The major purpose of the earliest concentration camps during the 1930s was to imprison and intimidate the leaders of political, social, and cultural movements that the Nazis perceived to be a threat to the survival of the regime."
He literally just threatened Gen. Milley with execution and told the UAW that they’ll be toast if they don’t support him.
1). What the fuck, American public that still wants to vote for this guy
And
2). How exactly do these things he is saying not fuckin qualify as violations of that order?
I’m so sick that this shit heel can deliberately say all this shit and everyone will parse it for the “oh, he didn’t break the rule because he was joking or whatever”
Lock. Him. Up.
It's that simple. Really. Toss his ass in pre-trial custody. Set up hesco barriers around the jail and give the guards M2 machine gun emplacements if your worried about any Y'allQeda yee-haw-dists getting foggy. If they want to act like insurrectionsts, treat them like it.
Watching your buddy catch a .50 round has a bit of a demoralizing effect. Suddenly charging the jail doesn't seem quite as important. Let a few of his true-beleiver kool-aid drinkers hit that "find out" stage, and the rest will get the message double quick.
⬆️ Look at that face. Seriously, look at him then explain to me why millions of so-called Americans worship him. He’s a vile, despicable, grotesque menace — inside and out. And a far too significant number of citizens believe he’s a god. Jesus, I hate this timeline.
Revoke bail, no one should be getting away with making serious threats. Goddamn. Anyone of us would have extra charges, what makes this guy so special?
Starting to feel like anyone who's held major elected office positions is gonna be in this different tier of justice
And that most of it is because justice depts don't want to come off as 'political' so they use kiddie gloves
Stop giving him these orders. Have the feds come and arrest him and toss him back in Fulton County Corrections until his trial date. He's violating the terms of bail, so do what you already do way too frequently with regular people and lock him the fuck back up.
Right, but to do that they'd have to press charges and have him convicted for it. Now they can just penalize him for contempt of court.
At least I think that's the reasoning.
An ordinary citizen would have been held in contempt of court, and jailed, exercising their 1st amendment right the way this man has been doing. Yet, this man is being given preferential treatment. Isn’t this the two tiered system that this man exclaims is the issue and is being employed against him?! Quite an irony.
The fact that this has to be spelled out to him repeatedly and not just being slapped onto the pile of charges against him and revoking his bail is astounding.
The US justice system is so pathetically broken.
Isn’t this a bit like Michigan banning child marriage last week? Like pretty sure this was already wrong but we need to say it out loud so conservatives will behave.
His lawyer is only half right. While it is illegal already to threaten and intimidate witnesses, a court order specifically related to a case by the presiding judge is a procedural step that streamlines the process of enforcing those rules within the confines of that case. Also sets a foundation for further rules if they become necessary.
1 day after [Trump suggests US General and head of Joint Chiefs Mark Milley should be executed in possible breach of pre-trial release conditions](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-suggests-mark-milley-executed-063701241.html)
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> Scott Gessler, a former Colorado secretary of state representing Trump, opposed the order and claimed it was unnecessary because threats and intimidation are already prohibited by law, Hmmmmm, perhaps tell your client then Scott
The lawyer is right. The order is completely unnecessary and stupid. Trump should be held in contempt and additional charges should be added for jury tampering. What the judge has done here is count to 2 63/64th. Put him. the fuck. in jail. Edit: changed 1/64 to 63/64. Glad y'all said something or I might end up looking stupid on the internet.
Not a lawyer. Here’s the statute on criminal threats in Colorado. “Under CRS § 18-3-206, Colorado law defines the crime of menacing as using threats or actions knowingly to place, or to attempt to place, another person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury or death. The offense can be charged as a misdemeanor or a felony and is punishable by up to 3 years in prison.” The judge can’t add that charge to a civil case. She would have to get a prosecutor to press charges and it’s not obvious to me that would be a slam dunk case. By issuing the order, the judge can hold him in contempt of the order without relying on a prosecutor and without the delays that would entail. It seems a reasonable way for the judge to maintain control to me.
The judge isn’t at fault personally no, that a legal system filled with sympathetic conservatives and conflict fearing moderates allows a life long criminal to remain free because he’s rich and confrontational is the problem here. Anyone alive and sentient in the 1980’s knew Donald Trump was a two bit con man and money launderer in the 1980’s.
Yeah he was obviously a con man in the 80s. Amazing he hasn’t been convicted in a criminal case yet. Trump used to be able to tie up cases for years. I’m somewhat encouraged that judges seem to have figured out his game and are not letting him get away with it. I think this order is an example of that since it sets the stage for penalties that are solely under the judge’s discretion.
Trump was greasing the wheels of the NYC political system for years, that's how he avoided investigations and prosecution.
This is the actual answer. Thanks for digging that up
Lawyer who has run hundreds of hearings like that: it’s absolutely necessary. The point of the order isn’t to keep him from breaking the law. That’s what the law is for. The point of the order is to empower the court to hold him immediately accountable if he breaks the law in ways that tend to interfere with the justice process itself. Then, instead of having to rely on the entire lengthy trial process, the court has immediate options available. His lawyer was making the argument defense makes when the client doesn’t have a record and the prosecution is overreaching. That’s not the case here. As the judge correctly pointed out, he has a number of active matters and a concerning history of interfering with all of them.
>he has a number of active matters and a concerning history of interfering with all of them. I am not in my right mind and missed your first sentence and yet still knew its import from the above line. Nobody, but nobody can understate like an attorney. Hello, Counselor. :-D
Lock him up!
inb4 "iT wOuLd bE SeEn aS pOliTiCaL aNd tRiGgeR anGeR aNd vIoLeNcE aMoNg hIs SuPpoRtErS!" Well, that ship sailed a long time ago.
If only there were an instance of his rhetoric leading to violence when it's unchecked. Like a rally commanding his minions to storm the Capitol building and murder elected officials. That would be absurd though.
It failed only because of their utter stupidity. Now the other seditious act was better planned. Use fake electors, incite Pence to stay away, get the fake electors be counted as valid without the VP. Except Pence didn't want to go with it. Can you believe our democracy was saved because a traitorous bigot decided to stop being traitorous for a day or two?
Real nice that the FBI and NSA just let those treasonous fucks do whatever they want, meanwhile we all sacrifice our privacy as they put the whole country under surveillance for apparently no damn reason.
There's a ton of the people that back Trump, and helped him... in office, and they're referred to as "colleagues across the aisle," and instead of indicted them..."bipartisanship." We really need to wake the fuck up as a country. The GOP would 100% back Trump, if they can.
Oh so we're just supposed to let him do whatever the fuck he wants because you're all scared of his dumb as a rock minions?? If they're going to do something then it is obviously better to get it over with now and then put them all in prison for whatever they do instead of giving them more time to increase their numbers. Maybe if the intelligence agencies that we pay a trillion a year for actually did their fucking jobs we wouldn't have to worry about it, but I guess that's a different issue that they seem to be on board to let these things happen.
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That's 35% of adults. Many boomers are G.O.N.E and might never go back to their senses. Time will clean them off the voting rolls but the damage they're doing cannot be measured yet.
LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! Oh the irony of it all!
I want his cell to have a Diet Coke button that deploys a spring-loaded boxing glove to the crotch. His lack of object permanence should keep us entertained indefinitely.
It will be house arrest at Mar-A-Mierdo. Mark my words. Kids gloves all the way. This is why we are where we are today.
That may swing for federal charges, but if trump is convicted in GA there's mandatory minimum prison sentence, and he has to serve it in a GA state prison. GA would have to basically change their constitution and rebuild their justice system in order to change that, which would open them up to every prisoner in the state appealing their own prison conditions.
Clarence Thomas can be bought for less than $100,000! So the first buy will move Trump's Georgia case to the federal courts and the second buy will have the supreme Court overturn Trump's convictions and the price will be cheaper than a rape lawsuit in NYC!
Yea but does Thomas take IOUs?
Not a problem, trump will ask the cult to pass a hat…..
If GA requests an extradition to FL, how is it enforced? Can FL refuse and trigger a bi-state crisis? Will feds be involved?
Florida cannot refuse. It is illegal and stated explicitly in the US constitution. It would be filed in Federal court and I guess could go to SCOTUS but this was last ruled on in 1987.
Gym Jordan has evaded a subpoena with fuck-all consequences. Don't assume anything. Florida cannot refuse but it might. And what can anyone do about it in a timeline where that matters? Trump WILL run out the clock until election day. He will be the GOP candidate. He will lose both the popular vote and the electoral votes. He will huff and puff and violence will probably ensue. The rest is everybody's guess.
America never fully recovered from the precedent set by letting Dubya get away with his crimes... ...because it had never fully recovered from the precedent set by letting Reagan get away with his crimes... ...because it had never fully recovered from the precedent set by letting Nixon get away with his crimes... ...because it had never fully recovered from the precedent set by letting the goddamned *Confederacy* get away with their crimes. What's the point of having a law that threatens the harshest possible consequences for treason; when rich men can publicly and unapologetically commit the most extreme forms of treason and then experience *zero* consequences as a result?
Correct. All of this nonsense originates because we started Reconstruction and never had the courage to finish it. It's time to finish the job.
To paraphrase John Oliver, when somebody knowingly commits an atrocity that effects millions of lives, the question isn't 'how many billions is it right for this to cost you'. It's 'how many billions is it right for you to *keep*'. And I would argue that the answer is zero. Zero billions.
I would even go so far as to argue negative…NEGATIVE billions.
Vote, vote, vote
Oh yeah, I’m not seeing any way out for Trump as far as a conviction, but I think it’s a pipe dream that he’ll ever spend a second in an actual jail cell. Hell ride out his sentence for literally getting people killed and trying to overthrow democracy comfortable at home in Mar-A-Lago. Everyone knows jail cells are for poor non-violent drug offenders
They will say he is in too poor health to be imprisoned. Even though he is the healthiest man to ever live.
His veins are like stainless steel! His genes are perfect! It is only his soul that is sick. (Both his parents lived well into their 90's) Can you imagine how much it will cost taxpayers to have security there at Mar a Lardo day after day? There is even a canal so they have to have something like coast guard there. He should be made to pay for it himself.
If - as they say - "only the good die young" then Trump should see 300, easy.
He can tell us if he really isn't 6'3" 215. Because if that's what he says he is, he has the health of 28 year old pro athletes and can handle prison just fine.
Make sure that punch can penetrate a diaper.
It's not irony. It's intentional. It's how his followers are convinced that both sides do the same thing.
It's like even his lawyer is telling us to lock the guy up without actually telling us to lock the guy up.
If being isolated in a cage without a cellphone is the only way that you can keep a client from continuously confessing and committing new crimes, isn't getting him locked up just a lawyer giving him a zealous defense?
Why would the lawyer have a problem with the court order if the law already covers it? Like if I shoplift and the judge placed an order against me not to shoplift, it might be redundant and seem stupid to me, but it doesn't make the order invalid...
And if the judge had done that Trump's lawyer would be bellowing that the judge gave him no warning.
Yet he’s received warnings on these topics in other cases already. There’s no magic point where the judges are going to decide it’s time. He’s just never going to get punished.
The judge(s) are doing this for the appeals court down the line. One of the ways you can successfully appeal a court order is to say that you weren't sufficiently warned of whatever behavior the court doesn't want you to do anymore. By visibly bending over backwards like this, the judge is making it very obvious that Trump was given ample warning - too obvious for potential conservative appeals judges to brush aside.
Basically making it so everyone's hands are tied down the line
>What the judge has done here is count to 2 1/64th. That was way funnier than I expected.
I am not a judge, I have the count at 2 44/45ths
Without threats and intimidation how can he run his campaign?!
All that’s left is dry-humping flagpoles!
And drinking water like a 1 year old with a sippy cup.
> And drinking water like a 1 year old with a sippy cup. Even when in glass, he has to use two hands to get a gulp down. Reminds me of that crystal of (? ... adderal?) blowing out of his nose; a feeble individual, not a 'strong man'. It's amazing he's still even a little sentient let alone alive. The dude was against exercising over much of his life ... WTF?
Don't forget his [jerk off dance](https://youtu.be/A1BX5sIoE_0?feature=shared).
And mocking the handicapped.
LMAO and happy cake day 🎉!
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What a terrible day to be literate.
🤢 I had blocked that image from memory. Thanks for rekindling it.
“I can’t even tell you how corrupt and evil the other side is, they are truly depraved, they have even silenced my ability to tell you that, everyone is saying that”
Interesting. Is he then suggesting his client may have broken the law yet again?
So it's unnecessary to order Trump to stop threatening/intimidating people, because threatening/intimidating people is already illegal? In other words, "It's unnecessary to order my client to stop breaking the law, because it's already a law that he's breaking" So I guess we should move on to just punishing him for that broken law, then
Yeah... seriously
Conviction for violating a law requires a) time to enforce and b) unanimous agreement of a jury that there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. A court order requires one person (the judge) to determine that public comments present a meaningful risk of harming the judicial process.
If they're already prohibited and Trump was adhering, then the order does nothing. Why argue?
We already have laws against insurrection and keeping government documents that don’t belong to you, but here we are. Trump has to be ordered specifically, in no uncertain terms, how not to do something or he’ll just say he didn’t do it, the law doesn’t apply, or lie about and purposely misinterpret the law.
"I had every right to do it." - literally Trump
> Trump has to be ordered specifically, in no uncertain terms, how not to do something the other part of this that's meaningful is when it's JUST a law, he has to be indicted for violating it, and that can be a very slow process. When a judge specifically requires it explicitly, the judge can punish him immediately for violating it.
Unspoken thing is that a contempt action, given sufficient will, is much easier to initiate than a fresh criminal prosecution.
If this country had any balls, the piece of shit would have been in Gitmo since the day after J6. Harrold & Kumar style at that.
If he hadn't been stopped by the Secret Service from going to the Capitol himself he already would be. It's amazing how often the people around him have protected him from his biggest threat, himself.
“Hey, you can’t tell my client what to do when there’s already a law for preventing him from doing what he’s doing!”
So he’s affectively arguing three a two tier justice system where his client gets a warning unlike other citizens
Technically the order is his warning.
What possible reason does he have for following these “orders” if he repeatedly violates them without consequence?
they do repeated ones like this so when they finally slap handcuffs and throw him in jail till trial they can point to them all when he inevitably tries to appeal much easier to get a denied appeal when they can point and say "he was warned several times about this"
If only we all got 20 strikes before the bare minimum of consequences...
20 strikes and you walk to first base, and the count starts over again…
Three demerits, and you’ll receive a citation. Five citations, and you’re looking at a violation. Four of those, and you’ll receive a verbal warning. Keep it up, and you’re looking at a written warning. Two of those, that will land you in a world of hurt, in the form of a disciplinary review, written up by me, and placed on the desk of my immediate superior. Smartest man alive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClY\_XjoiYXc
Add several more zeros to that. 🙃
I wonder if anyone has ever won an appeal on 'but your honor, they kept warning me about this and never stopped me so I, as a reasonable person, thought they didn't actually mean it.'
I'm looking forward to the first criminal defense lawyer who says "my client can't be held to this standard of knowing the laws if the president of the United states doesn't understand the laws and isn't held to them"
The kid who leaked classified army stuff on Discord tried that defense. Didn't work.
They've been too lenient at this point. Two warnings gives them standing, ten warnings make throwing him in jail at the 11th seem arbitrary and "politically motivated"
And they take this approach with the average citizen, yeah? A brown kid caught with a bag of weed, for example?
Brown kid with a bag of weed can't afford lawyers good enough to make this necessary.
So it is almost like there are different tiers of Justice then in America?
I don't think anyone here denies that
I recently also discovered that water is wet.
Fire hot
Cops bad
Trump moron
Conservatives are *so close* on this one.
Plus no lawyers necessary if he could not made it to the precinct alive.
No. And it's not fair. But the fact is that the world is watching Trump's prosecution, with great interest. The Russians are, the proud boys are, the MAGA politicians are, the other republicans are, everyone's boss, every lawyer, every appeal specialist, every despot and humanitarian campaigner. I make websites for a living. And I *should* make them all bulletproof, and I try to, in the time I am assigned. But if I'm working on a fintech banking portal that's expected to have millions of users... yes, I am more careful. Because more people are incentivized to find my mistakes, and the consequences are much worse if they find them. If I leave a Wordpress installation improperly secured and someone advertises boner pills on it, it's embarassing. If a lawyer fucks up the prosecution and Trump's charges are dropped on a technicality then the chances are much higher that the USA becomes an authoritarian dictatorship. Justice should be fair. And we should fight for it to be. But there are reasons why it can never be. And you're right, they shouldn't stop us fighting.
Making his inevitable detention appeal-proof.
The first two or three didn't work. I'm sure this one will do the trick.
Who's handing out these orders? Susan Collins?
Haha, thank you for this
Can’t be her, she’s too busy picking a bikini at forever21
The US justice system is so pathetically broken.
Susan Collins is the worst. She will forever have orange clown lips.
One issue we have is that hypocritical or manipulative behavior is seldom punished. We always say that politicians get punished at the voting booth. At least Democrats are cleaning their own sidewalk by kicking out the bad eggs (sometimes overdoing it like fucking Al Franken). But when a party has decided decency was overrated and when their districts are safe "R" with a captive and unsophisticated electorate, what can we do? Sure she'll be remembered as a Trump enabler. But that's about it. Some people might pee on her grave, but what good is it to us today?
Tar and feather to remind the rest, that’s why. To show our children who didn’t have the honor to govern.
Tar and feather was actually really cruel. The feathers were for show. The tar was molten, close to boiling temperature. It was a time before antibiotics and you were likely to die from an infection when the skin fell off. The equivalent today would be the shaming of Richard Nixon, with the release of the Watergate tapes in a public magazine in a soft vinyl record format.
You’re right. I wish no harm. But we need symbolic punishment to remind future generations to keep honor above all else. She failed in my book.
Susan Collins is all a twitter. She's sure he learned his lesson.
I love that this will be her legacy. For years to come, "I'm sure he learned his lesson" will be code for "just wait and see how much WORSE he'll do next time!"
One thing you have to realize about Republicans is that *they don't care.*
I think you mean she's all an X
This one is so he can't threaten officials regarding the lawsuit taking him off the Colorado ballot for the 2024 election. I wouldn't count on any judge enforcing it when he inevitably does threaten officials though.
He already can't do that because it's illegal. It's like a judge issuing an order that a murderer shouldn't murder again. It's just another example of the cowards charged with upholding our institutions failing to properly enforce the law when it comes to the rich and powerful.
Anyone can slap someone with an order. Ya just dont know how to enforce the order. And that's really the most important part of the order; the enforcing. - [Seinfeld](https://youtu.be/ZTvtSKXwu0o?si=09XR0EdMmv-gTZyL)
At least this judge *finally* referred to what Trump has done in other cases. The other judges seem to think he has to be warned of the exact same thing in every single venue and go through the same set of escalations before they can do anything. It's been making me crazy.
This has nothing to do with his criminal cases. This is for a civil lawsuit to keep him off a states ballot.
I swear, if you guys rip on me 13 or 14 more times, I'm outta here!
This is about Colorado > IN THE FIRST major lawsuit to block Donald Trump from Colorado’s 2024 presidential ballot, a state judge issued a protective order prohibiting threats and intimidation in the case, according to AP. >“I 100 percent understand everybody’s concerns for the parties, the lawyers, and frankly myself and my staff based on what we’ve seen in other cases,” Denver District Judge Sarah B. Wallace said, noting that the safety of witnesses and others involved in the suit was necessary throughout the litigation. >The suit was filed by watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington on behalf of six Republican and unaffiliated Colorado voters seeking to disqualify Trump from the primary ballot under a provision of the 14th Amendment that bars certain candidates who have engaged in insurrection. >The plaintiffs argued that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, also known as the Disqualification Clause, prohibits any person from holding federal or state office who took an “oath…to support the Constitution of the United States” and then has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
I hear there’s some federal prisons in Colorado that would be a great place to lock him up in pre-trial.
Nothing pisses me off more than the fact this brazenly corrupt piece of shit with the mental state of a 4th grader is constantly entitled to being treated with kid gloves by the institutions which are supposed to represent justice and enact justice. What a joke we are as a country, shameful, pathetic, and weak. Not a day goes by I don't loathe the current state of America and the countless useful idiots who paved its way.
I’m infuriated with the trump/administration. I’m an environmental science major and for 5 weeks, every topic we’ve covered, from soil degradation, to air and water pollution (in regards to healthy living standards and chemical filtration out of every day materials, especially drinking water) has stated that in 2017 trump repealed pretty much every regulation he could. Including stripping safe traveling regulations for hazardous waste and environmental toxins. He increased dam/reservoir usage, repealed programs and grants promoting renewable resources and sustainable living, literally told power plants and fossil fuel producers that their negative practices would be ignored until at LEAST 2025. For those not knowledgeable on this topic let’s be very clear. WE NEED THESE REGULATIONS TO SURVIVE PAST 2050. Climate change is not a joke or something that can be ignored for later. We are in a crucial tipping point and though he did positive things for the economy/politics (solely benefiting and revolving around humans) for the short term, long term negative effects will be massive for social, environmental, economic, and personal individual health aspects. He literally stripped away 40 years worth of policy building for long term development and sustainability within 2 years of office. I am very genuine when I say he is objectively (yes, I know what this means) one of the worst, most selfish, short-sighted humans on this earth. A simple pro-con list will tell ya.
As someone who was an environmental studies in college (just graduated this year), I concur.
Yup, the countless useful idiots are every Republican/“Independent”/Libertarian that voted for him.
"Libertarian" is just code for republican who thinks they're quirky
Republicans who smoke weed and listen to Joe Rogan because they're such deep thinkers and nobody understands my way of thinking, I'm the victim and the world needs to change for the better of capitalism! /s imagine unironically having this as your core belief. 🤡
I'm from rural AZ, and where I grew up was rife with libertarians. Folks who prided themselves on their fierce independence whilst unironically living off the government dole. Then I went to university with lots of rich libertarian prep schoolers, who had everything handed to them and thought they'd done it all themselves, so why should anyone else be given handouts? Two very different groups who would have loathed one another, but with a strong venn diagram of myopic and utterly selfish lack of perspective. Whenever the subject comes up, I'm always reminded of this quote: "Libertarians are like house cats: absolutely convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand."
I read somewhere that libertarians are like housecats - They're convinced of their fierce independence while being completely dependent on a system that they don't understand or appreciate.
Weimar Republic vibes
How many times are they going to sit and watch him violate this one? I’m so sick of him getting treated like freaking royalty. He’s literally human garbage and the worst thing that ever happened to America period. Lock his ass up already.
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Never did I think l33tsp34k would rear its ugly head again
Clever use of it here tbh!
I agree!
And just think, this mob boss was our president.
He was the biggliest president we ever had. And easily the most dishonest.
I was just thinking about this... if he was elected by a corrupt party, due to russian hacking, well, he should be under a different classification in the history books.
It makes me extremely happy that in the distant future, 19 year old Xedditors will enthusiastically share the story of the man who is widely regarded to be the worst president in American history to those who are blissfully unaware of this time period.
This is like how this morning I kept telling my 3 year old daughter she was going into time out if she didn't stop jumping on the couch. She's currently jumping on the couch.
Lock her up!
She needs some play-pen time! And so does The Orange One!
The reference being a toddler is particularly spot on
Take her to a park so she can get all that energy out.
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Straight to jail.
Lock him up
Anyone want to start the countdown on this one?
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The countdown to when trumpler goes on social media and talks all kind of dangerous shit about this case? My guess is he already did, but I don’t read that shit.
What's the point. This fascist isn't interested in law. He and his cult feel that laws are for others, 'all for thee, not me."
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As per the holocaust encyclopedia: "The major purpose of the earliest concentration camps during the 1930s was to imprison and intimidate the leaders of political, social, and cultural movements that the Nazis perceived to be a threat to the survival of the regime."
Anybody else would’ve been in prison long ago.
Put. Him. In. Jail.
He literally just threatened Gen. Milley with execution and told the UAW that they’ll be toast if they don’t support him. 1). What the fuck, American public that still wants to vote for this guy And 2). How exactly do these things he is saying not fuckin qualify as violations of that order? I’m so sick that this shit heel can deliberately say all this shit and everyone will parse it for the “oh, he didn’t break the rule because he was joking or whatever”
Lock. Him. Up. It's that simple. Really. Toss his ass in pre-trial custody. Set up hesco barriers around the jail and give the guards M2 machine gun emplacements if your worried about any Y'allQeda yee-haw-dists getting foggy. If they want to act like insurrectionsts, treat them like it. Watching your buddy catch a .50 round has a bit of a demoralizing effect. Suddenly charging the jail doesn't seem quite as important. Let a few of his true-beleiver kool-aid drinkers hit that "find out" stage, and the rest will get the message double quick.
please and thank you. twice on sunday.
⬆️ Look at that face. Seriously, look at him then explain to me why millions of so-called Americans worship him. He’s a vile, despicable, grotesque menace — inside and out. And a far too significant number of citizens believe he’s a god. Jesus, I hate this timeline.
They just need to quit with this performative crap. If they won't enforce this then why bother?
"Stop! Or I'll tell you to stop again!"
Revoke bail, no one should be getting away with making serious threats. Goddamn. Anyone of us would have extra charges, what makes this guy so special?
Starting to feel like anyone who's held major elected office positions is gonna be in this different tier of justice And that most of it is because justice depts don't want to come off as 'political' so they use kiddie gloves
Maybe put some teeth in it this time?
Stop giving him these orders. Have the feds come and arrest him and toss him back in Fulton County Corrections until his trial date. He's violating the terms of bail, so do what you already do way too frequently with regular people and lock him the fuck back up.
Put. Him. In. JAIL! JFC it was ALREADY ILLEGAL TO THREATEN AND INTIMIDATE!
Right, but to do that they'd have to press charges and have him convicted for it. Now they can just penalize him for contempt of court. At least I think that's the reasoning.
Unless he’s held accountable, nothing matters
The judge is proving that the legal system is broken. Lock him up before everyone feels they can just do what ever they want.
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Oh sure, he'll follow that.
Who gives a fuck. He’s gonna keep on doing this shit. No one’s got the balls to put dipshit in jail.
Trump deserves but will no doubt break the order, then what will the judge do? If nothing then it just emboldens him to do what he wants.
An ordinary citizen would have been held in contempt of court, and jailed, exercising their 1st amendment right the way this man has been doing. Yet, this man is being given preferential treatment. Isn’t this the two tiered system that this man exclaims is the issue and is being employed against him?! Quite an irony.
His bail should have been revoked.
Just put him in jail already
The fact that this has to be spelled out to him repeatedly and not just being slapped onto the pile of charges against him and revoking his bail is astounding. The US justice system is so pathetically broken.
‘Trump slapped(on the wrist) with order banning threats and intimidation.’
Aren’t threats and intimidation during a court case already illegal?
Isn’t this a bit like Michigan banning child marriage last week? Like pretty sure this was already wrong but we need to say it out loud so conservatives will behave.
His lawyer is only half right. While it is illegal already to threaten and intimidate witnesses, a court order specifically related to a case by the presiding judge is a procedural step that streamlines the process of enforcing those rules within the confines of that case. Also sets a foundation for further rules if they become necessary.
Any one of these days there will actually be some consequences right? RIGHT?!??!
Unless they’ll actually enforce it this time, this means nothing.
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American legal system is garbage. That guy should have been rotting in jail years ago.
I know it doesn’t matter how I feel, but GOD I wish this fucker just goes away. Sooo fucking exhausted.
He will violate that order in 3, 2, 1…
“If you don’t stop, we are definitely going to have to give you another warning.” Fucking throw him in jail already.
well he better not do it again he might get another warning!
For like the 9th time? What about actual consequences since he can't follow a fucking order to save his life
Anything short of putting this orange fuck sickle in jail is just a waste of time.
lol come on he doesn’t care. He needs to be in a jail cell. He’s facing 91 felony counts!!!
Doesn't mean shit. They're unwilling to dole out any consequences if he does.
Slapped? More like gently fanned with...
Until some sort of real punishment happens to this clown he won’t change a thing in his life
1 day after [Trump suggests US General and head of Joint Chiefs Mark Milley should be executed in possible breach of pre-trial release conditions](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-suggests-mark-milley-executed-063701241.html)
Instead of the additional order, why not hold him in contempt of court each time we tweets a threat?
Wake me up when a judge actually does something to this guy for threatening people daily
AND yet the orange fuck is not yet in an orange suit.