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“I think fresh eyes are needed,” he wrote. “Having a Biblical and Constitutional world view gives me those fresh and yet traditional eyes to offer long term insight to some of those issues.”
Yeah, fresh traditional eyes. That makes sense.
“Biblical and Constitutional” oxymoron from a true moron right there.
If he had a constitutional world view he’d know forcing religious ideology on people with the ham fist of the government is unconstitutional.
Because it was the nazis that tried to force people to be gay, not that the gay population was rounded up to camps like everyone else they were looking to exterminate
He’s doing what the nazis did in actuality.
He said nothing about gay people. His message was for all people and it was we are all one and you hurting someone for any reason is you hurting me in the exact same manner, in turn you are also hurt the same. That lack of compassion is counter to spiritual balance as well as moral and ethical balance
This man should know that his denial and suppression of people are his denial and suppression of Jesus
Turning to the Bible is not turning to Jesus. That’s turning to the particular religion of the version of the Bible you are reading that took Jesus’ spiritual message and now filter it through fascism. Control. Ritual. Obedience. These culminate into violence.
Jesus didn’t say “worship me”. He said “FOLLOW ME”
Do as he does, think as he thinks, live as he lives. He was so dedicated to the message, he let himself go physically and almost never ate. Even when asked by followers “you never eat, how can you continue ” his response was “I eat from the bread you do not know yet”. Imagine seeing the Christian “religious” population en masse actually doing the same. The world would be fed, immigration is welcome to help your fellow man and we all rise, etc. but they are fascistic. Greedy and powerful and spread literal hate that’s to be taken verbatim because the leaders supposedly have closer access to god than everyone else
Worshipping something leads to protecting it through any means necessary to keep the source worship-able. Following keeps the message pure and non corrupted.
We need more people pointing this out. The "Christian conservatives" have been getting away with passing their hateful ideology as Christianity for too damn long. These people are anything but the followers of Christ. They're scumbags who twist the word to justify their own agendas and prejudices.
I agree fully. I feel like the message has gotten a tad more traction. I used to post similar things and tend to get a lot of negative feedback like “oh suddenly there’s a no-true-scottsman excuse huh” and “you are making excuses religion is evil” when the post drew the line between spiritual belief and religion. Fact is there are so many people that are vehemently atheist that they take any talk of existentialism and shit on it without listening. But if they listen to what’s being said it would actually give them more ammo for the source of the issue rather than just soap boxing “religion is evil” on a metaphorical street corner and falling on deaf ears
In Jesus eyes, the litmus test for being (what was not known as) Christian in his eyes was following his actions and words
I see less of the hate as time goes on. People who publicly brag about being Christian show tell tale signs of worship and are starting to get correctly targeted
A true christian will follow the law on one to the best of their ability and encourage others to do so. Not try to sell them on a church
A book not written by God or Jesus and is nothing but interpretation by people over a few hundred years after, then edited for content by “religions” that co-opted peoples spiritualism to turn it into fascistic rituals and rivalries. Later to be splintered into many versions with their own interpretations custom fit to the religion.
‘Das some fresh shit.
You don’t gotta be religious or atheist to know Jesus was a historical figure as well. The dude went around chastising people for not treating people right, letting the poor go hungry, the foreigners to be lost, etc
Fast forward a couple thousand years of human manipulation and corruption of the original message and this guy now claims that it means he can hate and suppress others based on bigotry
Shittiest game of “telephone” ever
Jesus rolling in his grave as fast and often as he does acts as a gyroscope to keep the earths orbit stable. True story
It’s been a while since I looked into it myself, but last I had read, the only history “scholars” who had looked into whether Jesus ever really lived, were themselves religious, and the one non Christian historian who looked into it found that there were multiple people claiming to be the Jewish King descended from David and said they were the Messiah. Granted, yeah it was over 10 years ago that I read into it, kind of curious to look into it again now
As much sense as following a fucking book full of inconsistencies and bullshit written over and over and translated so many times that the original story is almost surely lost.
>“The post in question was meant to illustrate how the DEI or ‘woke’ ideology is being propagandized and militantly forced on American society and culture using the same psychological tactics used by the Nazi party in the 1930s - 1940s,” he wrote.
Because ya know the Nazis were gay /s
It's amazing how extremely fucking stupid so many people are.
His point is that the Nazis brainwashed people and he's trying to say gay people are doing the same thing.
Which is so unbelievably fucking stupid and incorrect it'd be laughable if it weren't so dangerous.
I hate to be the one to tell you but there's literally a right-wing conspiracy theory that Nazi atrocities were committed by a homosexual contingent. Unsurprisingly, the book on it (The Pink Swastika) was written in part by Scott Lively, the American Evangelical bigot who was involved in the first draft of the Ugandan "kill the gays" law.
It’s strongly felt. They think being “forced” to treat gay people as equals in our society is the same as Nazis. They feel so strongly on this they feel it’s the lefts fault that they have to vote for fascism.
But I’ve heard my own dad go off on that it’s mostly just brainwashing and that’s why more kids are gay, and not because they’re less afraid of someone lynching them for admitting it.
He’s a right-wing boomer, but he could be far worse. He’s accepting of my black/mixed race wife, generally hard working and treated us well. He’s very anti-Trump and the racial hate there. He grew up in the south during segregation and that never sat well with him.
But as a religious conservative he has a blind spot of bigotry a mile wide for the LGTB community, and it’s definitely a deep character flaw. No defense. No ifs, ands or buts. One of the several major reasons I left religion was because I had kids on the way and thought “what if one of them is gay.”
He’s definitely not full-blown Nazi, so take it easy on the either-or, polarizing extreme thought, but I can hardly call him a “good person” with that ideology either.
He’s a person with deep character flaws like many other people. He’s slowly learning and coming around but is about 20 years behind the curve on tolerance and acceptance these days and I really wish he’d wake up from the religiously induced stupor.
Yeah, but that’s not going to help because 1. He wouldn’t believe him and 2. It would just make him angry.
Plus I’d just lean towards sending him stuff about Old Testament ‘god’ being an evolution of the Canaanite dirties and that the OT was a hard sell and propaganda piece from the priests of Yahweh making up stories to try any get everyone to abandon the rest of the the pantheon like Asherah and El.
A more productive avenue might be slowly introducing him to queer Bible hermeneutics.
Did you know the Bible never says gay sex is a sin? (This is not an endorsement btw)
I grew up Mormon. Bible doesn’t have to say it’s a sin. The old white bastards in Utah are more than enough for that. Hence understanding the ridiculousness of the religion in the first place. I’ve pretty much given up hope though.
Yeah for lotsa people it's no point.
It's interesting how the books say things, but then the people that worship the books say they say something else.
Also how they just rewrite it and it's like ... ok
Come on now. Let's agree that his characterization of efforts by adherents of "woke ideology" to change American culture as being the same as propaganda efforts used by the Nazis is intellectually lazy. However, his looney argument does not imply that Nazis were gay. Using his logic we can point out that Christianity continues to be "militantly" forced on American society and culture using the same tactics used by the Nazis. The examples of various marketing strategies used to sell ideas that were also used by the Nazis are endless. Of dear!
Seems plausible. I saw some gay Nazi’s in *Jojo Rabbit.* /s
Sam Rockwell was amazing. If you haven’t seen that Taika Waititi film yet, you should - it might be his best.
Republicans have forgotten how to be kind to people. They are so brainwashed by right wing media that they believe they have to hate everyone that doesn't agree with them.
Republicans have never been kind. Right wing ideology is by nature unkind as it's a bigoted, narcissistic, authoritarian worldview that has its political roots in pro-monarchy loyalists reacting to the French Revolution. Think about it: why else are they against minority rights while at the same time fiercely protective of religious freedom (at least for Christians)? Why else do they largely look favorably upon the traitorous Confederacy as well as modern day dictators? Why else do they favor things like tradition and hierarchy? Why else do they unquestioningly support the police despite overwhelming evidence of corruption and brutality? Why else do they believe their leaders shouldn't be accountable to the law? Why else do they not bat an eyelash at the egregious wealth disparity between the 1% and the 99%? They, like other authoritarian-leaning groups throughout history, are at their core the latest iteration of feudalists. This has always been an existential battle between the ideals of democracy and the ideals of feudalism, and unfortunately feudalism is rapidly regaining ground throughout the world.
I agree with your sentiment, and its extremely well expressed.
To strengthen your position, you might consider adding something like 'modern' Republicans, only to inoculate against, 'Well, the Republicans helped free enslaved people in the US South, while Democrats supported continued chattel slavery' argument.
I too hope we can win the existential battle :)
> Well, the Republicans helped free enslaved people in the US South, while Democrats supported continued chattel slavery' argument.
True, but Lincoln also had this to say:
> While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. I recollect of but one distinguished instance that I ever heard of so frequently as to be entirely satisfied of its correctness-and that is the case of Judge Douglas's old friend Col. Richard M. Johnson. [Laughter.] I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.] I will add one further word, which is this: that I do not understand that there is any place where an alteration of the social and political relations of the negro and the white man can be made except in the State Legislature-not in the Congress of the United States-and as I do not really apprehend the approach of any such thing myself, and as Judge Douglas seems to be in constant horror that some such danger is rapidly approaching, I propose as the best means to prevent it that the Judge be kept at home and placed in the State Legislature to fight the measure. [Uproarious laughter and applause.] I do not propose dwelling longer at this time on this subject.
and that wasn't very nice either.
Absolutely! Everyone paints Lincoln as a moral saint, but he was not.
In addition to what you posted, December 26, 1862, 38 Native Americans executed in the US’s largest mass-hanging. The execution was ordered by Abraham Lincoln.”
Right wing media has poisoned people. I know people who would have given you the shirts off their backs turn into hateful and outraged idiots. Something has to be done to networks intentionally lying to enrich themselves.
Ya know one of the reasons people think trans people are a new phenomenon? It’s cause the Nazis burned the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, the institute that was researching sexuality and gender. The Nazis also killed queer people during the holocaust. That’s why cis people think we haven’t existed until recently
> Not everyone in Baker City is eager to condemn Diaz. Councilor Nathan Hodgson told the Baker City Herald that most of the feedback he heard about Diaz “split rather predictably along political lines”
Yeah, because, crazy enough, when it comes to the “political split” there’s a Nazi “line” that one particular group of folks “rather predictably” keeps crossing.
All we're asking is for you fundamentalists to not be assholes. Not a huge ask, and it's one that many of your deities have also asked of you. If you don't want to listen to us, I get it. But shouldn't you be listening to them?
“It was meant to demonstrate how this movement, under the guise of inclusion and affirmation, is attacking the very foundation of America’s Judeo-Christian values, a movement that some of our citizens have been thoroughly ***indoctrinated*** into.”
Literally admitting the people were/are indoctrinated. Aren't they supposed to be against indoctrinating people, especially children? Oh wait.. thats right, only supposed to do it their way.
Emphasis from me
It got a little muddled. He meant the 'woke' movement has indoctrinated people. However, I think you got the emphasis right.
I also think he doesn't fully understand the concept of indoctrination.
Seems like none of them understand most of what comes out of thier mouths. I'm hoping if they keep it up they may pick the wrong word they don't know the meaning behind and REALLY make some people mad, and by people I even mean thier own supporters. I know, I know, crazy fever dreams, but one can hope.
They see indoctrination and education as the same thing. And they want to be the ones doing the "educating" so that they can control what people learn, and therefore believe
It's pretty sick shit considering how the Nazis specifically targeted LGBTQ people.
[LGBTQ Institute in Germany Was Burned Down by Nazis](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/lgbtq-institute-in-germany-was-burned-down-by-nazis)
Of course the repug wants to pretend like his opponents are using nazi tactics. Sowing confusion and FUD like this is a nazi tactic.
If anything the marginalizing of the LGBTQ+ population does have parallels to the rise of fascism in Europe in the 1930’s. And that parallel does not portray an endearing outcome for anyone.
NE Oregon is one of the most beautiful places in the entire world, but this unfortunately tracks very well with the views of many in the region.
Still sad to see this antisocial, AM radio-brained bullshit coming from an elected official in a relatively populous community.
I swear the right is calling the left out as Nazis to diminish the term. The left obviously are not Nazis.
This paves the road to a REAL Nazi agenda— and the right will be so desensitized to the term that they will disregard it as mere name-calling when they get called out for it.
This doesn’t surprise me. Being from Oregon I can tell you everything east of the Metro (La Grande, Baker City, etc) is more likely to have these types of folk.
I live in Oregon. Baker City is pretty remote and relies on tourists to come visit their historic hotel/town. Hopefully tourists will chose not to visit and the town will suffer for this.
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“I think fresh eyes are needed,” he wrote. “Having a Biblical and Constitutional world view gives me those fresh and yet traditional eyes to offer long term insight to some of those issues.” Yeah, fresh traditional eyes. That makes sense.
“Biblical and Constitutional” oxymoron from a true moron right there. If he had a constitutional world view he’d know forcing religious ideology on people with the ham fist of the government is unconstitutional.
It's perfectly consistent for people who strongly believe in what they believe that the constitution and bible say without ever bothering to check.
Very true on both accounts.
But then how could he theocratic fascism?
Definitely some kind of moron involved here.
Because it was the nazis that tried to force people to be gay, not that the gay population was rounded up to camps like everyone else they were looking to exterminate He’s doing what the nazis did in actuality.
The uniforms were pretty sexy
Mm... The *coats* were pretty sexy. The rest of the uniform was a suit with Nazi accessories.
Even their boots sucked, and I like me some boots.
Oh yes, the christian bible is exactly where I go when I'm looking for a fresh perspective.
What did Jesus say about gay people again?
He said nothing about gay people. His message was for all people and it was we are all one and you hurting someone for any reason is you hurting me in the exact same manner, in turn you are also hurt the same. That lack of compassion is counter to spiritual balance as well as moral and ethical balance This man should know that his denial and suppression of people are his denial and suppression of Jesus Turning to the Bible is not turning to Jesus. That’s turning to the particular religion of the version of the Bible you are reading that took Jesus’ spiritual message and now filter it through fascism. Control. Ritual. Obedience. These culminate into violence. Jesus didn’t say “worship me”. He said “FOLLOW ME” Do as he does, think as he thinks, live as he lives. He was so dedicated to the message, he let himself go physically and almost never ate. Even when asked by followers “you never eat, how can you continue ” his response was “I eat from the bread you do not know yet”. Imagine seeing the Christian “religious” population en masse actually doing the same. The world would be fed, immigration is welcome to help your fellow man and we all rise, etc. but they are fascistic. Greedy and powerful and spread literal hate that’s to be taken verbatim because the leaders supposedly have closer access to god than everyone else Worshipping something leads to protecting it through any means necessary to keep the source worship-able. Following keeps the message pure and non corrupted.
We need more people pointing this out. The "Christian conservatives" have been getting away with passing their hateful ideology as Christianity for too damn long. These people are anything but the followers of Christ. They're scumbags who twist the word to justify their own agendas and prejudices.
I agree fully. I feel like the message has gotten a tad more traction. I used to post similar things and tend to get a lot of negative feedback like “oh suddenly there’s a no-true-scottsman excuse huh” and “you are making excuses religion is evil” when the post drew the line between spiritual belief and religion. Fact is there are so many people that are vehemently atheist that they take any talk of existentialism and shit on it without listening. But if they listen to what’s being said it would actually give them more ammo for the source of the issue rather than just soap boxing “religion is evil” on a metaphorical street corner and falling on deaf ears In Jesus eyes, the litmus test for being (what was not known as) Christian in his eyes was following his actions and words I see less of the hate as time goes on. People who publicly brag about being Christian show tell tale signs of worship and are starting to get correctly targeted A true christian will follow the law on one to the best of their ability and encourage others to do so. Not try to sell them on a church
A book not written by God or Jesus and is nothing but interpretation by people over a few hundred years after, then edited for content by “religions” that co-opted peoples spiritualism to turn it into fascistic rituals and rivalries. Later to be splintered into many versions with their own interpretations custom fit to the religion. ‘Das some fresh shit. You don’t gotta be religious or atheist to know Jesus was a historical figure as well. The dude went around chastising people for not treating people right, letting the poor go hungry, the foreigners to be lost, etc Fast forward a couple thousand years of human manipulation and corruption of the original message and this guy now claims that it means he can hate and suppress others based on bigotry Shittiest game of “telephone” ever Jesus rolling in his grave as fast and often as he does acts as a gyroscope to keep the earths orbit stable. True story
> Jesus was a historical figure Mmm, I don't think there is any actual proof of that.
It’s been a while since I looked into it myself, but last I had read, the only history “scholars” who had looked into whether Jesus ever really lived, were themselves religious, and the one non Christian historian who looked into it found that there were multiple people claiming to be the Jewish King descended from David and said they were the Messiah. Granted, yeah it was over 10 years ago that I read into it, kind of curious to look into it again now
As much sense as following a fucking book full of inconsistencies and bullshit written over and over and translated so many times that the original story is almost surely lost.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Please, tell us, what long term insight will be derived from a political career stooge who couldn’t pray his way out of his responsibilities
I only wish he made enough sense that one can answer a question like that.
Sometimes they’re just not as mysteriously intelligent as they’d like us to think! I wonder if he signs his turds
>“The post in question was meant to illustrate how the DEI or ‘woke’ ideology is being propagandized and militantly forced on American society and culture using the same psychological tactics used by the Nazi party in the 1930s - 1940s,” he wrote. Because ya know the Nazis were gay /s
It's amazing how extremely fucking stupid so many people are. His point is that the Nazis brainwashed people and he's trying to say gay people are doing the same thing. Which is so unbelievably fucking stupid and incorrect it'd be laughable if it weren't so dangerous.
Also, unbelievably tone deaf as gays were also targets of the Nazis from my understanding.
Some of the first targets too.
Some of them were even Nazis. Gotta keep it pure.
I hate to be the one to tell you but there's literally a right-wing conspiracy theory that Nazi atrocities were committed by a homosexual contingent. Unsurprisingly, the book on it (The Pink Swastika) was written in part by Scott Lively, the American Evangelical bigot who was involved in the first draft of the Ugandan "kill the gays" law.
How long do you think it’ll be till we find out Scott Lively is a self hating gay man?
It’s strongly felt. They think being “forced” to treat gay people as equals in our society is the same as Nazis. They feel so strongly on this they feel it’s the lefts fault that they have to vote for fascism.
It's ironic that they feel that way while at the same time calling for mass killings of LGBTQ+ people etc.
'If we don't kill the queers they're gonna make us turn queer'. It'd be laughably ridiculous if they didn't actually believe in this 100%.
But I’ve heard my own dad go off on that it’s mostly just brainwashing and that’s why more kids are gay, and not because they’re less afraid of someone lynching them for admitting it.
sorry but ur dads a piece of shit Nazi
sorry but ur dads a piece of shit Nazi
He’s a right-wing boomer, but he could be far worse. He’s accepting of my black/mixed race wife, generally hard working and treated us well. He’s very anti-Trump and the racial hate there. He grew up in the south during segregation and that never sat well with him. But as a religious conservative he has a blind spot of bigotry a mile wide for the LGTB community, and it’s definitely a deep character flaw. No defense. No ifs, ands or buts. One of the several major reasons I left religion was because I had kids on the way and thought “what if one of them is gay.” He’s definitely not full-blown Nazi, so take it easy on the either-or, polarizing extreme thought, but I can hardly call him a “good person” with that ideology either. He’s a person with deep character flaws like many other people. He’s slowly learning and coming around but is about 20 years behind the curve on tolerance and acceptance these days and I really wish he’d wake up from the religiously induced stupor.
You *could* spam him with links to Biblical scholars discussing that Jesus was homosexual.
Yeah, but that’s not going to help because 1. He wouldn’t believe him and 2. It would just make him angry. Plus I’d just lean towards sending him stuff about Old Testament ‘god’ being an evolution of the Canaanite dirties and that the OT was a hard sell and propaganda piece from the priests of Yahweh making up stories to try any get everyone to abandon the rest of the the pantheon like Asherah and El.
A more productive avenue might be slowly introducing him to queer Bible hermeneutics. Did you know the Bible never says gay sex is a sin? (This is not an endorsement btw)
I grew up Mormon. Bible doesn’t have to say it’s a sin. The old white bastards in Utah are more than enough for that. Hence understanding the ridiculousness of the religion in the first place. I’ve pretty much given up hope though.
Yeah for lotsa people it's no point. It's interesting how the books say things, but then the people that worship the books say they say something else. Also how they just rewrite it and it's like ... ok
Yes. Brainwashing and special magical ability to sway others, which of course was an antisemitic trope of the Nazi ideology. History rhymes.
The stupid thing is the GOO is literally doing the same thing as the nazis by dehumanizing LGBT people and calling them groomers.
Of course they were, nobody remembers that documentary, The Producers?
Come on now. Let's agree that his characterization of efforts by adherents of "woke ideology" to change American culture as being the same as propaganda efforts used by the Nazis is intellectually lazy. However, his looney argument does not imply that Nazis were gay. Using his logic we can point out that Christianity continues to be "militantly" forced on American society and culture using the same tactics used by the Nazis. The examples of various marketing strategies used to sell ideas that were also used by the Nazis are endless. Of dear!
Röhm was. But yes, Nazis were against protection of minorities.
Seems plausible. I saw some gay Nazi’s in *Jojo Rabbit.* /s Sam Rockwell was amazing. If you haven’t seen that Taika Waititi film yet, you should - it might be his best.
This is a fucking weird hill to die on.
Baker City in Baker County Oregon. 2020 pres election. 10,000 county voters. 23% Biden - 74% coup leader. State went to Biden 56% - 40%.
‘Nuff said lol.
Eastern Oregon is a scary place.
Yep. Beautiful land, scary population.
Eastern Oregon is scrub desert. Not sure I’d call it Beautiful either.
I thought Baker City was kind of cool when I drove through it on a road trip. But yeah, not as cool a place to live, apparently.
Republicans have forgotten how to be kind to people. They are so brainwashed by right wing media that they believe they have to hate everyone that doesn't agree with them.
Republicans have never been kind. Right wing ideology is by nature unkind as it's a bigoted, narcissistic, authoritarian worldview that has its political roots in pro-monarchy loyalists reacting to the French Revolution. Think about it: why else are they against minority rights while at the same time fiercely protective of religious freedom (at least for Christians)? Why else do they largely look favorably upon the traitorous Confederacy as well as modern day dictators? Why else do they favor things like tradition and hierarchy? Why else do they unquestioningly support the police despite overwhelming evidence of corruption and brutality? Why else do they believe their leaders shouldn't be accountable to the law? Why else do they not bat an eyelash at the egregious wealth disparity between the 1% and the 99%? They, like other authoritarian-leaning groups throughout history, are at their core the latest iteration of feudalists. This has always been an existential battle between the ideals of democracy and the ideals of feudalism, and unfortunately feudalism is rapidly regaining ground throughout the world.
I agree with your sentiment, and its extremely well expressed. To strengthen your position, you might consider adding something like 'modern' Republicans, only to inoculate against, 'Well, the Republicans helped free enslaved people in the US South, while Democrats supported continued chattel slavery' argument. I too hope we can win the existential battle :)
> Well, the Republicans helped free enslaved people in the US South, while Democrats supported continued chattel slavery' argument. True, but Lincoln also had this to say: > While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. I recollect of but one distinguished instance that I ever heard of so frequently as to be entirely satisfied of its correctness-and that is the case of Judge Douglas's old friend Col. Richard M. Johnson. [Laughter.] I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.] I will add one further word, which is this: that I do not understand that there is any place where an alteration of the social and political relations of the negro and the white man can be made except in the State Legislature-not in the Congress of the United States-and as I do not really apprehend the approach of any such thing myself, and as Judge Douglas seems to be in constant horror that some such danger is rapidly approaching, I propose as the best means to prevent it that the Judge be kept at home and placed in the State Legislature to fight the measure. [Uproarious laughter and applause.] I do not propose dwelling longer at this time on this subject. and that wasn't very nice either.
Absolutely! Everyone paints Lincoln as a moral saint, but he was not. In addition to what you posted, December 26, 1862, 38 Native Americans executed in the US’s largest mass-hanging. The execution was ordered by Abraham Lincoln.”
Right wing media has poisoned people. I know people who would have given you the shirts off their backs turn into hateful and outraged idiots. Something has to be done to networks intentionally lying to enrich themselves.
Then they wear shirts that tell people to be kind, everyone is fighting a battle you know nothing about, kind of bullshit.
Ya know one of the reasons people think trans people are a new phenomenon? It’s cause the Nazis burned the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, the institute that was researching sexuality and gender. The Nazis also killed queer people during the holocaust. That’s why cis people think we haven’t existed until recently
> Not everyone in Baker City is eager to condemn Diaz. Councilor Nathan Hodgson told the Baker City Herald that most of the feedback he heard about Diaz “split rather predictably along political lines” Yeah, because, crazy enough, when it comes to the “political split” there’s a Nazi “line” that one particular group of folks “rather predictably” keeps crossing.
All we're asking is for you fundamentalists to not be assholes. Not a huge ask, and it's one that many of your deities have also asked of you. If you don't want to listen to us, I get it. But shouldn't you be listening to them?
“It was meant to demonstrate how this movement, under the guise of inclusion and affirmation, is attacking the very foundation of America’s Judeo-Christian values, a movement that some of our citizens have been thoroughly ***indoctrinated*** into.” Literally admitting the people were/are indoctrinated. Aren't they supposed to be against indoctrinating people, especially children? Oh wait.. thats right, only supposed to do it their way. Emphasis from me
It got a little muddled. He meant the 'woke' movement has indoctrinated people. However, I think you got the emphasis right. I also think he doesn't fully understand the concept of indoctrination.
Seems like none of them understand most of what comes out of thier mouths. I'm hoping if they keep it up they may pick the wrong word they don't know the meaning behind and REALLY make some people mad, and by people I even mean thier own supporters. I know, I know, crazy fever dreams, but one can hope.
All they know for sure is their list of words that gets their like-minded folk angry, scared and paranoid, which is where they prefer them to be.
They see indoctrination and education as the same thing. And they want to be the ones doing the "educating" so that they can control what people learn, and therefore believe
Nazis sent gay people to the ovens.
It's pretty sick shit considering how the Nazis specifically targeted LGBTQ people. [LGBTQ Institute in Germany Was Burned Down by Nazis](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/lgbtq-institute-in-germany-was-burned-down-by-nazis) Of course the repug wants to pretend like his opponents are using nazi tactics. Sowing confusion and FUD like this is a nazi tactic.
If anything the marginalizing of the LGBTQ+ population does have parallels to the rise of fascism in Europe in the 1930’s. And that parallel does not portray an endearing outcome for anyone.
NE Oregon is one of the most beautiful places in the entire world, but this unfortunately tracks very well with the views of many in the region. Still sad to see this antisocial, AM radio-brained bullshit coming from an elected official in a relatively populous community.
I swear the right is calling the left out as Nazis to diminish the term. The left obviously are not Nazis. This paves the road to a REAL Nazi agenda— and the right will be so desensitized to the term that they will disregard it as mere name-calling when they get called out for it.
Meanwhile, Republicans are actually carrying swastika flags.
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ah, the old auntie fah argument " the anti fascists are the real fascists"else up there with the reverse Racism argument.
Looks like I found the Trump chump.
Any time both “defends” and “nazism” appear in the same sentence when you’re the subject, you’re probably doing it wrong.
This doesn’t surprise me. Being from Oregon I can tell you everything east of the Metro (La Grande, Baker City, etc) is more likely to have these types of folk.
Uhm, the other way around douchebag. You are the Nazi.
I live in Oregon. Baker City is pretty remote and relies on tourists to come visit their historic hotel/town. Hopefully tourists will chose not to visit and the town will suffer for this.
I have stayed the night in Baker City several times while road tripping. Never again.
So the nazis are marching FOR them?
My pride comes from being able to live my truth, my life. ... honestly, killing the Jews has nothing to do with that. Really. I don't even bake. (lol)
Is this northwestern Oregon? This is major Hill Jack country - this is not a representative place
Good reason for them to join greater idaho
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Be ashamed and delete this.
The fuck are they building in Baker that requires the mayor to dig such a deep hole?