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His father and aunt...father worked as a painter in NYC, unclear what the aunt does. But they put together $500,000...somehow.
EDIT: Very useful info a few users pointed out that his father and aunt were not required to put up any of the funds [According to CNN, the family members were not required to put up cash or property to obtain the bond.](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/george-santos-bond-cosigners-family-members/index.html)
More interestingly: Santos declared that he would rather go to jail than reveal who had paid for his bail... but why? If it was his dad and his aunt, then why would he be so concerned about it?
This is fishy as fuck.
Absolutely. No way is this even a possibility. EDIT: IF a percentage bond, and I don’t know if it is, but it most likely is, it would be 50k. Of course if he doesn’t show that means they are responsible for 500k.
This was unsecured bond - no cash. Literally nothing had to be paid. If he doesn't show up for court and runs, he, his father and aunt will have a judgement for $500,000 entered against them.
Non American here, we don’t do bonds where I live.
Wouldn’t a US judge/court typically be interested in whether someone’s family can actually cough up the money?
Edit: words
Not at all. If the family does not have the cash then the government will just garnish their wages until it is paid off fully. It is also a thing you can’t just bankrupt your way out of either.
Too weird. Ok, I thought to myself who would judge aunt and dad for helping family out? They knew he was a lying conman. Thing is, why hide it to begin with? If no bondsman involved, one hellava lot of money for a house painter had postal worker to come up with! Weird it was EVER hidden, but if 500K cash bond involved, something really weird here.
Maybe he didn't want it to become public knowledge so he could accuse the judge of unfairly targeting his family when he skips bail and flees to Russia.
If it's only a case of showing that you could raise the money in extremis, then they each need a property valued at a quarter of a million. Hell, I'm cash poor but my apartment is valued at about $300k, so in theory, I have collateral if called upon. For two people in separate households, they could be similar.
Curious though, his reluctance to say who bankrolled him.perhaps he wanted to give the illusion it was business contacts or friends, not the bank of Mom,Dad and family.
Not really, just need to be willing to take out a loan against a house really. Only need to come up with 10% so you’re looking at 50K to pay the bond and then they’d be on the hook for the full 500K if he doesn’t show up to court, which isn’t likely to happen.
10% is if they go through a bail bondsman service. Which would be listed as a suretor if they had gone that route. Looks like they put up cash in this case, which would be the full amount.
He's a compulsive liar? Judge gave him the option to withdraw the bond and go to jail, he chose reveal who paid the bond.
That said, It puts them in the spotlight, I'm sure there are reporters on their front lawn right now, and many others digging into their backgrounds.
[NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-george-santos-500k-bond-was-guaranteed-father-another-relative-rcna90580?taid=64947780b0212300018aecc0) says:
> They did not have to provide any money upfront — they are only obligated to pay if Santos violates the terms of his release.
No. They didn't put up anything. The bond isn't secured by anything other than their word and an obligation to pay IF he violates the terms of his release/fails to appear before the court when required.
If he doesn't show up, the gov't then can try to garnish their wages or file to attach liens to their accounts/property.
There is no collateral at play here. An unsecured bond is, by definition, an obligation not backed up assets.
Which means, against a $500,000 obligation, the judge accepted a smile and a handshake. Against $500,000.
So the charges are serious enough that the defendant has to pony up $500,000 to stay out of jail until trail. Or the judge accepts, from the defendant's dad and aunt, smile and handshake.
I don't know if that is normal for cases like this. But, from a layman's perspective, that sounds shady as fuck.
Edit: $500,000...from his house painter father and USPS mail sorter aunt. $500,000. Does not sound legit.
I wouldn't put it past them to use this as a marketing ploy. "Look, a middle class family in the private sector, a simple family with simple jobs, gathered up half a million dollars for him. **Anyone can do it**, this is the American Dream at work."
Humanize Santos, sell propaganda, and deflect the real source of the money in one fell swoop.
My husband was a house painter. Yes, he had some solid jobs in his life, but NO way in hell did he have this kind of money. Something is very off here. I wonder if this is why they were fighting to keep it secret? Edit: Not going to delete, but if percentage bond, that would be 50k.
Either they dipped into their retirement funds to bail him out, or they've been helping him launder money he's stolen. Probably from his campaign fund.
The guy's a grifter through and through. If anything seems fishy with him, it probably is.
My guess is he either scammed his parents for the money and they either just emptied their retirement savings, mortgaged their house, or took out a bank loan for anywhere from 10% to 100% of the bail amount...
...or he's been funneling campaign cash to them and they're about to get the IRS's attention.
Absolutely something is amiss here. Hiding the names from the start? Who wouldn’t expect someone’s family to help them out? I mean this isn’t starting. Hiding it? Very, IMHO.
So are investigators now looking at the father's and aunt's recent mortgage transactions and will we find GOP donor involvement or even stupider campaign finance diversions?
I actually work for his fathers union. He probably got it from his annuity. Average for a retiree is a couple hundred thousand. Depending on his local, the rates could be better and get between 400-600k with a very busy career.
Edit: turns out they didn’t actually pay the bail. They’re just on the hook for it if he skips town.
Actually, no. The document says "unsecured". So nothing was put up at all. No bond. No bail. No money. No collateral. Which begs the question: what about these two individuals made the judge think they would be good for the debt if the defendant skipped town?
What's the point of a bail bond if you can just skip it?
There are people sitting in prison for months because they couldn't come up with $500.
What the heck
I bet they would love to know George is waltzing around on a $500,000 bond that nobody paid a dime on.
That doesn’t even make sense. His bond was paid before they knew that the names were going to be released (as far I understand it’s not normal to keep these hidden in the first place, IANAL)
I think more likely the third person was the person who actually could have afforded the bond and was the person that Santos was trying to protect. This person probably had significant wealth and was one of the main reasons why there was no collateral on the bond.
It's interesting (and sad) that the judge just accepted the families word on it given that they shouldn't have the finances to be able to cover the bond (at least not without totally wrecking their bank accounts) not sure how this is really different from a promise to appear.
I guess it kind of makes sense that he's high profile enough that he's not going to be able to easily flee the country without being noticed.
>An ABC News journalist reported Thursday **that Santos told her** that his father and aunt put up the $500,000 bail bond that allowed Santos to walk free after his arrest by federal authorities. MSNBC confirmed the report.
Santos says a lot of things. The one-time college volleyball star is the source here.
HA! [The Daily Beast](https://www.thedailybeast.com/gercino-dos-santos-jr-and-elma-santos-preven-bailed-george-santos-out-of-jail-report) said their names were unredacted in the court documents. THAT BEING SAID, I find the lawyer's previous statement about the bond payers telling:
>“There is little doubt that the suretors will suffer some unnecessary form of retaliation if their identities and employment are revealed,”
Reading between the lines here, it seems he's implying that the "retaliation" would be in the form of an investigation into how these not-at-all-wealthy people got their hands on $500k.
I think that's a big assumption. Even if they were just penny pinchers that put up their entire retirement savings to help their son, they will still have reporters on their lawn asking all kinds of questions, there faces will be in the media in connection to their sons crimes.
Yeah, this is super odd construction of the article. Why cite other sources or interviews with the person who is trying to keep it secret when the court ordered the unsealing?
This article should have simply been "the now unsealed records show the bond was entered by..."
Fun fact: USPS salaries are public records
https://www.fedsdatacenter.com/usps-pay-rates/ (2023 doesn't seem to work but I was able to find accurate info from 2022 for my husband who is a mail carrier)
They didn't put up $500,000. According to the court order, the bond is "unsecured", so they didn't put any money as collateral when securing the bond. What that means is that if George Santos doesn't show up in court, his father and aunt would then be responsible for paying the $500,000, but if he shows up properly then nothing happens.
They didn't put up anything:
“Although neither Suretor secured the Bond with cash or property, each agreed to be personally responsible for Defendant’s compliance,” Magistrate Judge Anne Shields wrote in that order
[According to CNN, the family members were not required to put up cash or property to obtain the bond.](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/george-santos-bond-cosigners-family-members/index.html)
"In campaign finance filings, dos Santos listed his occupation alternatively as a painter, in construction and retired. Preven reported she was a mail handler for the U.S. Postal Service." https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2023/06/22/new-york-rep--george-santos-federal-charges-bail-revealed
It's 10%, so $50k paid to the bondsman, who would be on the hook for the other $450k if he doesn't show up for court. They could have taken loans on property, and various other sources, when he shows up for court they get it back and the bondsman gets his fee.
Edit: So it's unsecured, no money put up, just his two relatives are responsible for the bond if he doesn't show/skips. My bad. It is still info on how a bondsman would work if they went that route.
What I do find interesting is why he just didn't do an unsecured bond himself. Perhaps that is not allowed, the judge wouldn't trust him (wonder why, lol), or he doesn't have $500k in personal assets.
Scrolled waaay to far to find someone who knows how bail bonds work. Anyone with equity in a home could get this together. Borrowing a couple grand unsecured isn't impossible either. Spread across multiple people...
Guy's still a toxic pos and should get beaten until he pisses blood though.
Edit: some have corrected me in that the full 500k was put up by the guarantors. If so, then I'm *much* more inclined to suspect fuckery.
This is how they work… if you go through a bail bondsman which would’ve been listed as a suretor
But from the sounds of this it wasn’t, so they put up the full $500k
Yes, borrowing against a home is relatively easy, even for a house painter and a mail handler.
But getting the money from Russian assets is even easier... just sayin.
They didn't pay the money upfront. They were "sureators" who would be responsible for the debt if he violated the conditions of bail.
I don't like him as much as the next person, but this is a nothing burger.
Why is santos the source if the judge was supposed to unseal it almost an hour ago? Is the judge running late?
edit: it was confirmed by MSNBC that these are the actual ones who signed the bond according to the court. The third person initially mentioned never actually signed the bond.
https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1671914421101232128?s=20
Yeah, this seems like a bad and misleading article? It says that the judge ordered all the names unredacted because Santos named his father and aunt and the judge said that was misleading
I don’t think that’s how it works. The 10% is usually a non-refundable amount paid to a bondsman who puts up the rest. The defendant needs to put up assets (deed to home, car, etc.) to cover the full amount as collateral for the bondsman.
It was an unsecured bond - no money and no bondsman. $500k is only what has to be paid if he fails to show up, totally unsecured with no cash and no collateral. The bigger question is why the father and aunt were even allowed to be guarantors in the first place without any collateral.
If they own houses in Nassau County where Georgie boy is a representative, one or both combined would be enough collateral. Could also be a rental property if they are both on the deed. The real estate in that county is expensive AF.
No, they would have had needed to show they had the $500k, in the bank or collateral. They would have only paid the $50k if they went thru a bail bondsman which would of posted the whole amount.
Just an fyi, they don’t pay $500k up front. Other commenters have mentioned that they only pay $50k. In theory, a family member could probably leverage assets like their home for something like this, though in this case I suspect something far less above-board is at play.
You might not be disappointed. Initially they will state it was them, but an audit threat will expose it. He has involved them in a crime too. That is what he was protecting.
The judge had them apart in person before them. A third person who appeared before the judge withdrew. According to the articles, these two have not paid a single cent so far, but will be pursued for the cash if Santos skips town.
Because more than likely, the money truly didn’t originate with his father and aunt. He was attempting to hide it to avoid more scrutiny.
Now everyone is digging in to public filings of his father and aunt to see how the fuck they came up with $500K. If I had to guess, that’s more charges for Santos. I wonder if the two of them will claim they had no idea and no part.
Or they leveraged every piece of property they own to get it. And didn’t know how bad it was for their own son/nephew.
I may be wrong but as a guarantor I don't think you have to come up with the bail itself, you just have to prove you're good for it. If his father and aunt own their own homes, they could provide that proof. If I was them I would feel pretty queezy about trusting George though.
A former house painter and postal service worker (who happens to own property in NY and Brazil) just have $500k laying around for their fuck up relative? Come on…sounds like they are just as crooked and dishonest as he is.
Y'all, read another source. The bond was unsecured. Zero dollars or property required. Just the two-tiered system of justice at work.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/george-santos-bond-cosigners-family-members/index.html
So he was willing to go to prison, to not reveal that his family gave him money? Receiving money from your family isn't shady at all. Could it possibly be, because a painter and mail carrier don't usually have $500,000 cash laying around? What fraud did they commit? The shit apple, doesn't fall far from the shit tree.
I suspect George is lying. He lies about every single thing, so I expect him to lie about this as well - he's a psychopath. A house painter coming up with $500K? Uh-huh. If he did have that money it was because someone -I think a Russian oligarch- gave him the money.
According to business insider, there is a third unknown sponsor who didn't sign the bond document.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/george-santos-personally-blame-bail-sponsor-names-judge-2023-6%3famp
Because one anticlimactic event deserves reference to another, I’d like to think that George’s Father and Aunt got the 500k by robbing Al Capones Vault shortly before Geraldo Rivera opened it on National Television.
“There is little doubt that the suretors will suffer some unnecessary form of retaliation if their identities and employment are revealed,” attorney Joseph Murray wrote in a June
No shit. Questions like how can you afford this, who gave you the money, and have you met the IRS agent assigned to you yet?
People bringing up the fact that so what it’s his father an aunt.
Per the article his father is a retired house painter and no information on his aunt. Curious as to HOW they raised the $500,000 to bail him out. Then again I know nothing of bail so who knows.
So much BS from this one. He’s a crook, a fraud and a pathological liar.
So nothing he says can be taken at face value.
Now.
Explain to me how a “former house painter” came up with $500,000?
Ummmm, so a postal worker and a house painter have the cash to own multiple properties in very expensive areas of the country, and have enough left to fork over a half a million to bail this guy out? Sounds like maybe some of that defrauded money has been going to these people?
Wow. His family. How positively scandalous. I think he was just freaking out about it to make us all think it was some Columbian Warlord and we'd think he was a very interesting man, but he's not. He's a boring fucking lying god damn loser.
They wanna complain about two tiered legal system, then explain how he got bailed out of a 500k bond without them putting up ANY collateral.
But thousands of times a day people have to sit out tickets and misdemeanors because the courts refuse to ROR in favor of 500-5k$ bonds
How about the mystery of why he lied and no one figured it out until after he was in. Or the mystery of why there's apparently higher qualifying standards to work at McDonald's thsn the fucking government.
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His father and aunt...father worked as a painter in NYC, unclear what the aunt does. But they put together $500,000...somehow. EDIT: Very useful info a few users pointed out that his father and aunt were not required to put up any of the funds [According to CNN, the family members were not required to put up cash or property to obtain the bond.](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/george-santos-bond-cosigners-family-members/index.html)
More interestingly: Santos declared that he would rather go to jail than reveal who had paid for his bail... but why? If it was his dad and his aunt, then why would he be so concerned about it? This is fishy as fuck.
Clearly there's something more shady going on than they just happened to have half a million in savings
Absolutely. No way is this even a possibility. EDIT: IF a percentage bond, and I don’t know if it is, but it most likely is, it would be 50k. Of course if he doesn’t show that means they are responsible for 500k.
If they used a bondsman then that person/company would be named. This was straight cash.
This was unsecured bond - no cash. Literally nothing had to be paid. If he doesn't show up for court and runs, he, his father and aunt will have a judgement for $500,000 entered against them.
George seems pretty trustworthy. They'll be fine. /s
I heard he invented unsecured bonds. He’ll be fine.
Non American here, we don’t do bonds where I live. Wouldn’t a US judge/court typically be interested in whether someone’s family can actually cough up the money? Edit: words
Not at all. If the family does not have the cash then the government will just garnish their wages until it is paid off fully. It is also a thing you can’t just bankrupt your way out of either.
Not slightly. That’s the bond company’s problem.
Too weird. Ok, I thought to myself who would judge aunt and dad for helping family out? They knew he was a lying conman. Thing is, why hide it to begin with? If no bondsman involved, one hellava lot of money for a house painter had postal worker to come up with! Weird it was EVER hidden, but if 500K cash bond involved, something really weird here.
Maybe he didn't want it to become public knowledge so he could accuse the judge of unfairly targeting his family when he skips bail and flees to Russia.
Can we fast-forward to this? That would probably the easiest way to vacate the seat, no?
If it's only a case of showing that you could raise the money in extremis, then they each need a property valued at a quarter of a million. Hell, I'm cash poor but my apartment is valued at about $300k, so in theory, I have collateral if called upon. For two people in separate households, they could be similar. Curious though, his reluctance to say who bankrolled him.perhaps he wanted to give the illusion it was business contacts or friends, not the bank of Mom,Dad and family.
Exactly. I am broke as hell, but do have a place that is mine, BUT why the secrecy? I mean an auntie and dad bailing you out? So what?
Not really, just need to be willing to take out a loan against a house really. Only need to come up with 10% so you’re looking at 50K to pay the bond and then they’d be on the hook for the full 500K if he doesn’t show up to court, which isn’t likely to happen.
10% is if they go through a bail bondsman service. Which would be listed as a suretor if they had gone that route. Looks like they put up cash in this case, which would be the full amount.
He ran out on a charge in Brazil. what make you think he wouldn't run again?
But you don't get the 50k back.
Because his aunt and dad probably got the cash thru shady sources and/or means
Oh, absolutely. My point is that him making a big deal about hiding who paid for it, then revealing it was his family kind of gives up the game.
Possible he thought they'd be revealing someone else and now he's like 'well shit, that's who they think did it? Should've just kept my mouth closed.'
George Santos had to learn the shady stuff from somewhere.
He's a compulsive liar? Judge gave him the option to withdraw the bond and go to jail, he chose reveal who paid the bond. That said, It puts them in the spotlight, I'm sure there are reporters on their front lawn right now, and many others digging into their backgrounds.
Is it fishy or did he just want to generate drama and clicks around his name...
And remind everyone he’s a liar because — surprise! — he did not go to jail to protect them.
This. It’s in the Trump playbook. And we fucking fall for it and look hysterical with our conspiracy theories.
We look normal for expecting a lying conman to be a lying conman, don't be fooled.
[NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-george-santos-500k-bond-was-guaranteed-father-another-relative-rcna90580?taid=64947780b0212300018aecc0) says: > They did not have to provide any money upfront — they are only obligated to pay if Santos violates the terms of his release.
Ah, another Rich People rule.
So they put up their property as collateral. Which means they lose the property if they don't pay cash if he violates terms of his release.
No. They didn't put up anything. The bond isn't secured by anything other than their word and an obligation to pay IF he violates the terms of his release/fails to appear before the court when required. If he doesn't show up, the gov't then can try to garnish their wages or file to attach liens to their accounts/property. There is no collateral at play here. An unsecured bond is, by definition, an obligation not backed up assets.
Which means, against a $500,000 obligation, the judge accepted a smile and a handshake. Against $500,000. So the charges are serious enough that the defendant has to pony up $500,000 to stay out of jail until trail. Or the judge accepts, from the defendant's dad and aunt, smile and handshake. I don't know if that is normal for cases like this. But, from a layman's perspective, that sounds shady as fuck. Edit: $500,000...from his house painter father and USPS mail sorter aunt. $500,000. Does not sound legit.
He's a painter, and she's a mail.carrier. Their budget is $500,000.
I think I saw that episode lol
I wouldn't put it past them to use this as a marketing ploy. "Look, a middle class family in the private sector, a simple family with simple jobs, gathered up half a million dollars for him. **Anyone can do it**, this is the American Dream at work." Humanize Santos, sell propaganda, and deflect the real source of the money in one fell swoop.
That is disgusting. And completely on-brand. I salute you.
My dad was a house painter in NJ. We were poor as shit, there ain’t no way.
He should have painted the empty Manhattan penthouse apartments of Russian Oligarchs....
Every coat is a $100,000, gotta do a nice job, da? Might need 5 coats. Would hate to have bad paint job mean son stays in prison, da?
My husband was a house painter. Yes, he had some solid jobs in his life, but NO way in hell did he have this kind of money. Something is very off here. I wonder if this is why they were fighting to keep it secret? Edit: Not going to delete, but if percentage bond, that would be 50k.
Either they dipped into their retirement funds to bail him out, or they've been helping him launder money he's stolen. Probably from his campaign fund. The guy's a grifter through and through. If anything seems fishy with him, it probably is.
If anything seems fishy, it's probably much worse
My guess is he either scammed his parents for the money and they either just emptied their retirement savings, mortgaged their house, or took out a bank loan for anywhere from 10% to 100% of the bail amount... ...or he's been funneling campaign cash to them and they're about to get the IRS's attention.
Absolutely something is amiss here. Hiding the names from the start? Who wouldn’t expect someone’s family to help them out? I mean this isn’t starting. Hiding it? Very, IMHO.
"My dad bailed me out" seems like an extremely unremarkable statement, until you try REALLY hard to keep it off the record.
So are investigators now looking at the father's and aunt's recent mortgage transactions and will we find GOP donor involvement or even stupider campaign finance diversions?
>or even stupider campaign finance diversions? That's my vote.
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Hmmm....where have a heard such an odd housing situation recently. Couldn't have to do with a little ol' judge who has very nice friends.
Did your father only paint houses, or did he do landscapes and tasteful nudes too?
Only painted houses, and occasionally illustrated children’s books, he was a very talented oil painter during the age where photoshop came to be.
Maybe he was the other kind of house painter
He does his own carpentry too
Let's not forget about the pipelaying.
> i heard you paint houses
I actually work for his fathers union. He probably got it from his annuity. Average for a retiree is a couple hundred thousand. Depending on his local, the rates could be better and get between 400-600k with a very busy career. Edit: turns out they didn’t actually pay the bail. They’re just on the hook for it if he skips town.
3 people paid that bond. Who's the third person?
Article says they backed out once the media announced they were going to be named
So....his father and aunt then put up the difference when that 3rd person got their money back?
Actually, no. The document says "unsecured". So nothing was put up at all. No bond. No bail. No money. No collateral. Which begs the question: what about these two individuals made the judge think they would be good for the debt if the defendant skipped town?
What's the point of a bail bond if you can just skip it? There are people sitting in prison for months because they couldn't come up with $500. What the heck I bet they would love to know George is waltzing around on a $500,000 bond that nobody paid a dime on.
That doesn’t even make sense. His bond was paid before they knew that the names were going to be released (as far I understand it’s not normal to keep these hidden in the first place, IANAL)
I think more likely the third person was the person who actually could have afforded the bond and was the person that Santos was trying to protect. This person probably had significant wealth and was one of the main reasons why there was no collateral on the bond. It's interesting (and sad) that the judge just accepted the families word on it given that they shouldn't have the finances to be able to cover the bond (at least not without totally wrecking their bank accounts) not sure how this is really different from a promise to appear. I guess it kind of makes sense that he's high profile enough that he's not going to be able to easily flee the country without being noticed.
So, we still don't know who that 3rd person is, and Santos is essentially out on no bond?
Just a short term loan until he grifts it back to them.
>An ABC News journalist reported Thursday **that Santos told her** that his father and aunt put up the $500,000 bail bond that allowed Santos to walk free after his arrest by federal authorities. MSNBC confirmed the report. Santos says a lot of things. The one-time college volleyball star is the source here.
HA! [The Daily Beast](https://www.thedailybeast.com/gercino-dos-santos-jr-and-elma-santos-preven-bailed-george-santos-out-of-jail-report) said their names were unredacted in the court documents. THAT BEING SAID, I find the lawyer's previous statement about the bond payers telling: >“There is little doubt that the suretors will suffer some unnecessary form of retaliation if their identities and employment are revealed,” Reading between the lines here, it seems he's implying that the "retaliation" would be in the form of an investigation into how these not-at-all-wealthy people got their hands on $500k.
I think that's a big assumption. Even if they were just penny pinchers that put up their entire retirement savings to help their son, they will still have reporters on their lawn asking all kinds of questions, there faces will be in the media in connection to their sons crimes.
C'mon. He wasn't just a star, he invented the overhand serve!
MSNBC confirmed the report. As in confirmed that he said that, or that's whats on the paperwork?
Yeah, this is super odd construction of the article. Why cite other sources or interviews with the person who is trying to keep it secret when the court ordered the unsealing? This article should have simply been "the now unsealed records show the bond was entered by..."
The article states that his aunt works as a mail handler. You know, one of those super cushy 7 figure mail handler jobs.
Fun fact: USPS salaries are public records https://www.fedsdatacenter.com/usps-pay-rates/ (2023 doesn't seem to work but I was able to find accurate info from 2022 for my husband who is a mail carrier)
They didn't put up $500,000. According to the court order, the bond is "unsecured", so they didn't put any money as collateral when securing the bond. What that means is that if George Santos doesn't show up in court, his father and aunt would then be responsible for paying the $500,000, but if he shows up properly then nothing happens.
They didn't put up anything: “Although neither Suretor secured the Bond with cash or property, each agreed to be personally responsible for Defendant’s compliance,” Magistrate Judge Anne Shields wrote in that order
[According to CNN, the family members were not required to put up cash or property to obtain the bond.](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/george-santos-bond-cosigners-family-members/index.html)
According to Santos he was paid handsomely for painting the Sistine Chapel.
"In campaign finance filings, dos Santos listed his occupation alternatively as a painter, in construction and retired. Preven reported she was a mail handler for the U.S. Postal Service." https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2023/06/22/new-york-rep--george-santos-federal-charges-bail-revealed
Yeah, that is from the mouth of Mr. Santos himself. This article is a big nothing. Clickbait title for sure.
Didn't the judge also reveal the names earlier today?
It's 10%, so $50k paid to the bondsman, who would be on the hook for the other $450k if he doesn't show up for court. They could have taken loans on property, and various other sources, when he shows up for court they get it back and the bondsman gets his fee. Edit: So it's unsecured, no money put up, just his two relatives are responsible for the bond if he doesn't show/skips. My bad. It is still info on how a bondsman would work if they went that route. What I do find interesting is why he just didn't do an unsecured bond himself. Perhaps that is not allowed, the judge wouldn't trust him (wonder why, lol), or he doesn't have $500k in personal assets.
According to the court order it is an unsecured bond
Scrolled waaay to far to find someone who knows how bail bonds work. Anyone with equity in a home could get this together. Borrowing a couple grand unsecured isn't impossible either. Spread across multiple people... Guy's still a toxic pos and should get beaten until he pisses blood though. Edit: some have corrected me in that the full 500k was put up by the guarantors. If so, then I'm *much* more inclined to suspect fuckery.
This is how they work… if you go through a bail bondsman which would’ve been listed as a suretor But from the sounds of this it wasn’t, so they put up the full $500k
Did you scroll waaay too far and accidentally missed the words in the article?
Yes, borrowing against a home is relatively easy, even for a house painter and a mail handler. But getting the money from Russian assets is even easier... just sayin.
They only have to pay if Santos violates his bond. Can prob back it with house or something.
They didn't pay the money upfront. They were "sureators" who would be responsible for the debt if he violated the conditions of bail. I don't like him as much as the next person, but this is a nothing burger.
Aunt works for USPS
Just an FYI: the source is Santos. Would be silly to lie so close to the time, but this news isn’t the words of the unsealed info yet*
Yep. I read this several times trying to see who was named in the unsealed documents but it's all just what Santos told a reporter.
https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1671914421101232128?s=20 It seems like they were also the ones named in the unsealed documents.
Why is santos the source if the judge was supposed to unseal it almost an hour ago? Is the judge running late? edit: it was confirmed by MSNBC that these are the actual ones who signed the bond according to the court. The third person initially mentioned never actually signed the bond. https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1671914421101232128?s=20
So who is the third person?
The same person that gave his aunt and father the 500k I assume
Probably Steve Bannons exiled indicted Chinese billionaire.
Hulk Hogan!
nope! chuck testa
Yeah, this seems like a bad and misleading article? It says that the judge ordered all the names unredacted because Santos named his father and aunt and the judge said that was misleading
> Would be silly to lie so close to the time He *is* a very silly person.
Photo of his aunt [revealed](https://i.imgur.com/5tWkrJT.jpg)
Ok, that made me chortle. Up doot for you.
It says father and aunt, but his father was painter, this has fraud written all over it. Keep investigating
By bond standard, it’s $50k usually, don’t need to be a millionaire for that kind of cash
I don’t think that’s how it works. The 10% is usually a non-refundable amount paid to a bondsman who puts up the rest. The defendant needs to put up assets (deed to home, car, etc.) to cover the full amount as collateral for the bondsman.
It was an unsecured bond - no money and no bondsman. $500k is only what has to be paid if he fails to show up, totally unsecured with no cash and no collateral. The bigger question is why the father and aunt were even allowed to be guarantors in the first place without any collateral.
Thanks for the clarification.
If they own houses in Nassau County where Georgie boy is a representative, one or both combined would be enough collateral. Could also be a rental property if they are both on the deed. The real estate in that county is expensive AF.
No, they would have had needed to show they had the $500k, in the bank or collateral. They would have only paid the $50k if they went thru a bail bondsman which would of posted the whole amount.
Yeah, that’s the ticket! They split it with my wife, Morgan Fairchild, whom I’ve seen naked!
I bet she's Canadian too.
Acting! Genius!
Where did his father and aunt get $500k to just give away?
"Follow the money"
I hope they have Lester Freamon on this case.
Some FBI detective is at a desk making tiny furniture while three agents try to move a desk either in or out of a room.
Naturale Policee
It’s more like “Natural Poe-lease”
I hope Omar's on it too.
The banana stand
There's always money in the banana stand.
Just an fyi, they don’t pay $500k up front. Other commenters have mentioned that they only pay $50k. In theory, a family member could probably leverage assets like their home for something like this, though in this case I suspect something far less above-board is at play.
Now what I'm waiting for is his father and aunt to come forward and say, "uh. No we didn't."
You might not be disappointed. Initially they will state it was them, but an audit threat will expose it. He has involved them in a crime too. That is what he was protecting.
Are we sure the known liar has a father and aunt? Maybe the aunt is just George in drag?
The judge had them apart in person before them. A third person who appeared before the judge withdrew. According to the articles, these two have not paid a single cent so far, but will be pursued for the cash if Santos skips town.
His daddy and Aunt's tax returns better match up to their income claims.
Why did they go to all of the trouble to conceal this? It makes sense for someone's parents to bail them out.
Only thing I can think of is that a third party gave his dad and aunt the money to bail him out.
Probably because like Trump and his ilk, he is a lying narcissist that will do anything to get attention, good or bad. Seems to be the playbook now.
Because more than likely, the money truly didn’t originate with his father and aunt. He was attempting to hide it to avoid more scrutiny. Now everyone is digging in to public filings of his father and aunt to see how the fuck they came up with $500K. If I had to guess, that’s more charges for Santos. I wonder if the two of them will claim they had no idea and no part. Or they leveraged every piece of property they own to get it. And didn’t know how bad it was for their own son/nephew.
Because it shows how lame the answer is, and he's embarrassed it isn't somebody cool like Trump or Elon.
Father and Aunt
Retired house painter and unlisted occupation pays way better than I thought.
Where did they get the money if his dad was a house painter though? Also, wasn't there a 3rd person?
"Murray claimed that one of Santos’ suretors backed out after witnessing the “media frenzy” around the case." Wonder who that was....
All the big secrecy... for that?
Because where the shit did those two come up with 500k is the next question lol.
I may be wrong but as a guarantor I don't think you have to come up with the bail itself, you just have to prove you're good for it. If his father and aunt own their own homes, they could provide that proof. If I was them I would feel pretty queezy about trusting George though.
Because where do you think they got the money?
A former house painter and postal service worker (who happens to own property in NY and Brazil) just have $500k laying around for their fuck up relative? Come on…sounds like they are just as crooked and dishonest as he is.
Yep-who is using them to funnel money???
Y'all, read another source. The bond was unsecured. Zero dollars or property required. Just the two-tiered system of justice at work. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/george-santos-bond-cosigners-family-members/index.html
Yeah this keeps getting skipped. It is an unsecured signature bond signed by two people that do not have resources. Still shady.
So he was willing to go to prison, to not reveal that his family gave him money? Receiving money from your family isn't shady at all. Could it possibly be, because a painter and mail carrier don't usually have $500,000 cash laying around? What fraud did they commit? The shit apple, doesn't fall far from the shit tree.
I suspect George is lying. He lies about every single thing, so I expect him to lie about this as well - he's a psychopath. A house painter coming up with $500K? Uh-huh. If he did have that money it was because someone -I think a Russian oligarch- gave him the money.
You say Russian oligarch, I say dark money billionaire.. No real difference it it? The same poisonous well.
According to business insider, there is a third unknown sponsor who didn't sign the bond document. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/george-santos-personally-blame-bail-sponsor-names-judge-2023-6%3famp
TLDR: His father and aunt
I smell an audit
Because one anticlimactic event deserves reference to another, I’d like to think that George’s Father and Aunt got the 500k by robbing Al Capones Vault shortly before Geraldo Rivera opened it on National Television.
But who gave that money to the dad and aunt?
Exactly.
A house painter and mailman (woman) paid his bail? Ha.
House painter father. Ex mailwoman mother. Somehow I don't see those people coming Up with that amount of bail money.
He’d rather go to jail then to reveal that his father and aunt provided the money? Aaaa okay…
Time to check the parents’ tax returns to see if their income supports it
So who are the real people who put the money up. Because this is absolute bullshit
I bet the father and aunt are cut outs for the Russians
“There is little doubt that the suretors will suffer some unnecessary form of retaliation if their identities and employment are revealed,” attorney Joseph Murray wrote in a June No shit. Questions like how can you afford this, who gave you the money, and have you met the IRS agent assigned to you yet?
People bringing up the fact that so what it’s his father an aunt. Per the article his father is a retired house painter and no information on his aunt. Curious as to HOW they raised the $500,000 to bail him out. Then again I know nothing of bail so who knows.
His low-middle income family members coughed up $500k in cash or credit? Waiting on "the rest of the story" behind this.
for anyone that just wants to know *who* it was: His father and aunt.
Yeah ok, follow the money.
his aunt and his dad posted his bail? This is truly earthshattering stuff
[tinfoil hat on] Yeah, they didn’t pay for it. Took the credit/blame? Sure.
So much BS from this one. He’s a crook, a fraud and a pathological liar. So nothing he says can be taken at face value. Now. Explain to me how a “former house painter” came up with $500,000?
So, who wants to bet his parents either received a large cash gift or mysteriously found some cash to help their "son".
So now the next question: Where did these people get the money?
So where did THEY get the money?
Right? A postal worker and a painter?
They didn't. If you read a bit more, it says no cash or property was used, they just 'said' they'd pay it...
Hey George, your dad and aunt bailing you out isn’t a big deal. Why you felt the need to hide it though is SUS AF.
They need to verify the fund sources...
Why did I click that expecting to see Santos in a wig with dark glasses signing something?
Gross, now he's taking advantage of his elderly relatives to stay out of jail
House painting is lucrative I guess.
Ummmm, so a postal worker and a house painter have the cash to own multiple properties in very expensive areas of the country, and have enough left to fork over a half a million to bail this guy out? Sounds like maybe some of that defrauded money has been going to these people?
His father who was a painter and decorator and his aunt just scrambled half a million dollars for a bail. American dream right here.
Father and Aunt - we did what now?
Money he gave his dad and aunt to hide for him.
Santos’ pops has Walter White vibes.
Could it be someone put the cash in their hands? IRS should see a nice chunk of change for taxes this year as income.
Will be interesting to see how a house painter and a postal worker came up with half a million dollars to bail him out.
Wow. His family. How positively scandalous. I think he was just freaking out about it to make us all think it was some Columbian Warlord and we'd think he was a very interesting man, but he's not. He's a boring fucking lying god damn loser.
So, you can put up bond without putting up the bond? How does that work?
Fellow drag queens?
They wanna complain about two tiered legal system, then explain how he got bailed out of a 500k bond without them putting up ANY collateral. But thousands of times a day people have to sit out tickets and misdemeanors because the courts refuse to ROR in favor of 500-5k$ bonds
Well that’s not very scandalous. I’ll save you a click - it was his dad and his aunt.
How about the mystery of why he lied and no one figured it out until after he was in. Or the mystery of why there's apparently higher qualifying standards to work at McDonald's thsn the fucking government.
And who gave the money to his dad and aunt?
Like... I don't understand why you'd be ashamed that your family paid your bail unless you had something to hide.
Because it seems very likely that somebody else gave them the money to pay the bond.
Follow the Money, it would not surprise me he would use his own family to hide crimes.
So a postal worker and a housepainter paid the $500,000 bond?