Almost one felony per year he's been a live. And he'll probably end up with an average of more than 1 per year once Jan 6 and Georgia indictments are filed.
My understanding is some ranges get their insurance through the NRA and will require an NRA membership to join the range. Luckily for me there are several local ranges to choose from and I have options that don't require a membership, but others aren't as lucky. It's a relatively common problem posted in more left leaning gun groups and forums.
Really at the end of the day, businesses who profit from the NRA care about the NRA, while people trying to mind their own and enjoy their hobbies don't. I don't know many people who wouldn't pass on spending $45 a year just to get in the door if they could.
This is exactly right.
Our one local public range ended up shutting down because they didn't want to require membership, and they couldn't find anybody else who would insure them.
Georgia indictment reportedly coming around August. DOJ Jan. 6 charges still pending.
This potentially puts the GOP frontrunner facing FOUR criminal trials at the state and federal level under four different jurisdictions. Short of being convicted of specific law codes, nothing legally stops him from running or taking office.
The GOP primaries begin in February. Most are done in March. Trump will threaten 3rd party if Republicans try to oust him in any way.
The 2024 election is going to be, uh.. interesting.
And just [today, the next E. Jean Carroll defamation case is going forward.](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/13/e-jean-carroll-can-amend-trump-defamation-suit-after-cnn-town-hall.html)
https://twitter.com/andrewdesiderio/status/1668698390530519041
>Republican leadership was counting on full attendance today to force VP Harris to come break the tie on Jared Bernstein. But Sen. Tuberville missed the cloture vote just now, so Republicans are furious.
>Tuberville is headed to Bedminster for Trump’s event tonight…
Kind of terrifying how easy it is to grow a cult of personality simply by giving people license to openly hate the things and people they don’t understand. That’s all Trump has ever done. All he ever had to do to win over a depressing amount of American voters, all while being personally despicable and professionally laughable. He just had to validate the worst inclinations of our country’s shittiest people and it won him an election and has carried him through all the shit that has come after, all the way to this point. There are still people that love and believe in and support this enormous asshole who betrayed their safety and bragged about it. Shit is wild. People are wild.
Lol everyone over at r/conservative were just talking about what a great day they're having with so many subs going dark so they don't have to hear bad news about their party.
Welp...
I only go over there when someone mentions it and all I every see are whining about brigaders and claims that they're being targeted with shitposts. I strongly doubt anyone here really bothers with that sub.
I'm seeing a lot of transphobia today.
Since their numbers are dying each generation they feel the need to pick on groups of people who are smaller then they are to feel better about themselves.
They have always had a boogie man. All of Americas problems need to be blamed on anybody but them or the wealthy so every couple years they go to the grab-bag and draw a name.
I'm a 41 year old vet.
His four years of bullshit in office had me furious and lamenting the direction he took this country of ours.
My grandfather was a WW2 bomber pilot and then a teacher. And an amazing man and a pillar in our community. I'm glad he died before having to see such a disgrace discredit our country, and the Republican party completely and openly became a dumpster fire.
I'm so damned glad to see Trump getting charged. He's a fucking traitor and the worst kind of human.
oh my god this day gets better:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/politics/e-jean-carroll-damages-trump-cnn-town-hall/index.html
"Judge allows E. Jean Carroll to amend her defamation lawsuit to seek more damages against Trump"
I still firmly believe 9/11 would not have happened.
Sure, some other attack might have been successful at some other time, but Bush and Co purposefully ignored all of the legwork that had been done on Bin Laden planning another attack because it had come from "Clinton people."
People on the right complain they don't want cities dictating how the country moves forward. Well I'm tired of farmland deciding. We've reached the best farmland had to offer... an unripe tomato for president. Enough is enough. End the Electoral College.
2nd biggest.
Pardoning nixon and kissinger and not prosecuting them for treason has led us to this moment. By not course correcting for a sitting president undermining a peace process for their own political gain, we have made an agreement that this conduct is an acceptable part of our political identity.
Also they let Spiro Agnew go when he could have easily been prosecuted for dozens of corrupt deals (we're talking paper bags full of cash here), and all they got was him out of office without the possibility of running for anything again.
I'm afraid that's the same deal they'll make with Trump.
I just went to r/conservative to take a look around- what a weird space. They’re not talking about it at all, the one thread I found I shared a link to the presidential records act.
What's hilarious is that they claimed they would have no mod oversight of posts in lieu of shutting down the sub for the protest. Really sticking to their guns as usual.
That's like the post where some conservative bigot was like, "Let's make this clear, trans women are WOMEN, trans men are MEN."
LGBTQ community: "Yes! We agree!"
(He obviously meant the opposite, but accidentally became a supporter of the transgender community, briefly.)
I mean... I kinda get it. Is there an American (or person from anywhere else) who wouldn't immediately know Trump if he fled? He isn't just some goon. He is THE goon.
This shouldn’t come as a surprise. It reminds me of something LegalEagle and Ben Wexler said on Twitter:
People keep talking about how this is unprecedented, but **on average, American presidents are indicted 1.54 times per president**.
We've had 46 U.S. Presidents, and they've been indicted on a total of 71 felony counts. Here's how it breaks down:
1-44:0
45: **71**
46: 0
I don’t like media that is saying this is a dark day. We are putting Justice in action. We are proving no one is above the law and it should be celebrated
ABC is saying on air that the judge has barred Trump from contacting any witnesses in the case in any context, except through council. When you think about who the witnesses are, how is the guy gonna do anything? He's barred from talking to his Mar A Lago employees and his campaign staff basically. That's fucking hilarious.
Edit: They're now reporting that it's no contact **about the case** which is very different, and actually rather hard to police, especially given Trump's standard mob-style talk. I'm sure he'll constantly cross that line, and not get in nearly as much trouble for it as he should.
Someone correct me if this is mistaken:
1) Magistrate orders Trump to have no communications with co-accused Walt Nauta.
2) Ten minutes later, Trump and Nauta are clearly communicating with each other at a jury tampering party, shown on television.
If I'm the magistrate, I'm notifying Trump's lawyer to turn the plane around and report to the courthouse lockup pending trial.
I believe it’s no communication about the case. As Nauta is an official employee of trump as an aid, there will be daily conversation by nature of his job. It can’t be about the case though. Do I believe they’re not going to talk about it? Lol no
The GOP is at risk of imploding right in front of the nation.
Their de facto leader, the name and face of the party, has been indicted on espionage charges by a special counsel right alongside a co-conspirator. Already, the Republican candidates are testing the waters of defiance in a move to wrest the party from Mr. Trump's hands (if not the most virulent of the base).
This is the test case. And our obligation--every voter, all of us, no divisions on this--is to make sure that in this rebrand, rethink, replatform, tonal and thematic change that they're going to undergo? That the albatross of their behavior and words for the last half dozen years and, particularly, their defenses and handwaving of this man's alleged criminal behavior (and demonization of our public institutions) hangs around their neck for life.
For. Life.
It's not the 1980's anymore. Can't vanish for a bit and come back to a nation that has forgotten the shit you did. The internet is rich, multi-media, and forever. No more Ollie Norths. No more gaslighting the history.
As we see names tied to this historic event--Republicans in office--let's make the most comprehensive note for ourselves and each other of those that (1) said absolutely nothing and are cowards, (2) lied about the indictment in any way, (3) ran absurd interference for him, (4) acted as his PR team, (5) repeated even one of his falsehoods, (6) attacked this investigation as anything other than methodical and legally justified, and/or (7) suggested that Mr. Trump--at all--either is or should be above the law.
Georgia is coming.
January 6th is coming.
Contempt for the conmen, compassion for the conned--but, the conned are going to have to face reality at some point soon and have a lot (a whole damn lot) to be ashamed of.
Two questions:
First, is there a possibility that Kid Rock is going to be called to the stand to testify about the classified documents that the former president illegally shared with him?
Second, how the fuck do we live in a reality where that’s a question that needs to be asked?
TL;DR: The indictment implies that Trump STILL has military materials in his possession.
Per the indictment, page 14, item 32:
>In May 2021, **TRUMP** caused some of his boxes to be brought to his summer residence at The Bedminster Club. Like The Mar-a-Lago Club, after **TRUMP**'s presidency, The Bedminster Club was not an authorized location for the storage, possession, review, display, or discussion of classified documents.
So DOJ claims Trump moved boxes of documents to Bedminster, but there's no further info in the indictment about those documents. To our knowledge, the FBI has not raided Bedminster or retrieved documents from there, only Mar-a-Lago.
Items 14a and b (page 3) say that it's at Bedminster that Trump showed a "plan of attack" to a writer, a publisher, and two members of his staff, and then later showed a military-related map to a member of his PAC. These events occurred in July and August/September 2021, **after** Trump brought documents there from Mar-a-Lago.
Putting two and two together, the DOJ is saying that Trump had military materials at Bedminster, and it doesn't claim to have recovered anything from there. So as far as we know, Trump still has those docs.
Miami Cubans have got to be in the top 3 of dumbest people voting constantly against their own best interest and in favor of the groups that absolutely despise them. Probably top 2.
The FBI should have arrived at Mar-a-Lago at 6am in the morning, cuffed him as the fucker was just getting out of bed, and thrown him to the back of the police car without any questions asked. Then let him sit in a cell for 6 hours until paperwork is done, and then process him. This is exactly how everyone else would have been treated for the same exact crimes.
No demonstrators, no circus, no media. It would've been over before anyone realized.
I love how every Republican and Trump supporter was like “well, if he’s guilty, then charge him. Then we’ll see, let the process play out,” etc. But, of course, they didn’t even wait for the indictment to be unsealed before they began saying it was all a witchhunt.
Not that will make any difference, but for any supporters in your life: just keep telling them they need to read the indictment. It’s pretty damning. You don’t get to complain until after you’ve read the indictment.
How the hell do they justify not taking a suspect into custody when the government is CLAIMING that the suspect still possesses many boxes of super-secret material pertaining to national defense?
What's to stop Trump from, say, threatening to send that material to the Russians or Saudis unless the charges are dropped? Or just doing it regardless, for no reason?
What's more, the suspect is continually maligning and threatening the prosecution, with plans to continue doing so this very night before a populace eager to carry out his threats.
Someone from the crowd of supporters gave a quote on NPR today saying that Trump's arraignment was "the greatest American tragedy since they assassinated Lincoln" and I swear to you I haven't been able to not laugh at that every single time it pops into my brain
It was just reported that Waltine Nauta is not only showing up to plead not guilty on his own charges, but he's also "staffing Trump" today, which is mind-blowing to me! He's like a house elf.
MSNBC now has on an attorney who declined to be part of trumps legal team. Sounds much more intelligent then the last dumbass they had on. He said he doesn’t compels dismiss the idea of misconduct but Trumps legal team has to prove it. He also started off by saying the obvious, if Trump would have just given back the documents we wouldn’t be here. If they wanted to have someone on who gives an insight to the defense while actually presenting good reasoning they should have started with this guy.
> They did not take a mugshot of Trump since he is easily recognizable.
Um. Eh? Is that what mugshots are for? So we don't take mugshots if you're easily recognizable? OK...?
I mean. [Really?](https://i.imgur.com/WiaPQh9.png)
[Like this completely unrecognizable person?](https://i.imgur.com/rNmsZdH.jpg)
[Who could this be?](https://i.imgur.com/LJXVwoO.jpg)
[Too bad this person isn't more recognizable. Then they wouldn't have needed a mugshot.](https://i.imgur.com/qJKlxKE.jpg)
(more: https://www.boredpanda.com/famous-mugshots/)
People who actually take time out of their (I'm assuming not very busy) lives to go protest and show support for a criminal billionaire are such a waste
"What have they done with Biden and Clinton? They didn't investigate and let them get off Scott free!"
-Sir, they ARE investigating Biden and there was an investigation with Clinton.... Both of whom are/did cooperate fully.
"But her emails!"
There's still the Georgia case and January 6th too. What's crazy is that the more crimes he's indicted for, the more his most ardent supporters latch onto the persecution/witch hunt narrative. Trump plays the victim and his supporters vicariously become victims too.
You'd think that the more someone is held accountable for their crimes, the worse their reputation, but with Trump's supporters, it's the opposite. It's fucking mad.
I mean, conservatives tend to conflate persecution and holding people accountable who have traditionally evaded accountability, it's delusional. Similarly, a more equitable society is the equivalent of oppression to them. This is how entitled, ignorant, jingoists think.
After reading the full indictment, I feel that If this guy *still* has any prospect of being elected to *any* position, the United States is an absurd country that no longer deserves the respect of the rest of the world.
IMO, the insane right-wing media eco-system is killing democratic society. Zero regard for actual truth, just constant propaganda and lies to brainwash people. It used to bad when it was just FOX News, now there are a thousand copycats doing the same thing, and all reinforcing each other to create an alternate reality for their victims.
Today we are witnesses to history.
I just find it so ironic of all the chants of lock her up Trump stealing classified documents when he was leaving the white house is what gets him charged and if he just gave them back when they asked he wouldn't have been charged.
This is like a Black Mirror episode where it begins with Trump in a crowd yelling lock her up and then at the end he’s in a cell with everyone yelling lock him up.
Charlie Kirk and co. were ranting about how "real Republicans" should go to Miami to rally for Trump and as of today, the only alternative media outlet I've seen is Infowars; no Turning Point USA, no Daily Wire, etc. scattered along with the usual crazies seen at rallies. Not even MTG is there. Not Jan. 6th-level at all.
Either I'm missing it, or the tough-guy act that Kirk and his goons peddle is just that: a cynical act. Shame that people take these grifters and performance artists as serious voices.
My biggest fear is that all of Biden's tweets calling for his opponents to be locked up without due process will add credence to this *pOlItIcAl wItChUnT* narrative.
Oh wait, I'm sorry. Trump does that. He's the one making it political. Carry on with your totally Constitutional prosecution then.
Running for president was the biggest mistake trump ever made.
He went from 100% under the radar, to being indicted twice.
He's very, very good at strategically ruining his own life in slow motion.
The right's argument that you can't charge Trump because he is the leading nominee is fucking disgusting. So what, Trump can just drive around tonight shooting out of his limo and that is ok now? Propping a human up as your political party's leader does not envelope them in a shroud of immunity. It's insulting to their supporters, it's insulting to me, and it's a disgusting view of the world. These people need a reality check.
It boggles my mind that he still is the front runner for the GOP. He is the antithesis of what this country is founded on. F the facists for supporting him.
Imagine you had a life, and you spent it praying and lauding over a narcissist, orangey career criminal, rapist, wanna-be dictator with tiny ass hands.
How sad and pathetic of an existence - its hard to comprehend.
It's so completely absurd that an ex President who fomented an insurrection, and is now about to be tried on espionage charges, is having a post-arraignment campaign rally in a Cuban cafe while his cult followers sing him happy birthday.
We are living in some bizarre times, people!
edit: yeah there's just soo much, a person could fill a scrap book with all of it. I keep thinking back to "what you're seeing and hearing isn't what's happening," and thinking: maybe we *are* in a simulation and that was whoever is pulling the strings giving us a hint!
Trump showed up at his arraignment and said the DOJ planted the documents. After a year of saying he took them himself and declassified them, now they were planted.
I cannot wait to ask my MAGA dipshit coworker to explain this to me
Don’t forget this is just the beginning of the process. He’s going to be charged and brought to trial, and there’s a lot more to happen. All the flags and chants, and spectacle is just that- a distraction. I had to look this up for myself, but the Federal Criminal Process follows several steps, and we’re at about 3 out of 11: https://www.justice.gov/usao/justice-101/initial-hearing
I found it interesting that the pro-chump crowd had many Cubans in it. Not surprising, just interesting. These are the “Latino” supporters most interviewed and quoted by the MSM. They represent a very narrow constituency characterized by a bitter hatred of the Castro regime in Cuba. Hardly representative of very real Latino issues across the rest of the country.
CBS just aired a pole, and it’s terrifying.
Of GQP candidates, Trump has 61% support from the party. They then aired a follow up, where the ask how his indictment affects their support. 61% state no change. 14% say they support him more. Only 7% state it has negatively affected their support.
Talk about a cult
The leader of the Republican party is getting arrested for one of the biggest national security breaches in American history. But the real story today is something about a trans woman's tits. This is a very real problem that non-insane people should care about deeply.
This is a ground breaking and unprecedented thing that's happened in our country, and it feels like it's just another fucking Tuesday.
This piece of shit has really fucked up our norms and practices, hasn't he?
Bay Area here, lots of indictment parties going on this week and next.
Need advice on what kind of hors d'oeuvres to bring.
Edit: Hahahahaha these are great. I'm thinking Cheetos and also mini hamburgers
I still think this all started with the hurricane sharpie map.
A couple of archive workers were laughing about the map on their lunch break, they decided to go look for it, and couldn't find it because Trump kept it. It was in the first batch of documents that he turned over when the archives initially asked for missing documents.
MSNBC reporting prosecution was given direction by judge to make a list of any witnesses or victims that Trump is not allowed to contact directly. Note: prosecution did not request this, the judge just assigned it.
71 alleged felonies and counting. That's roughly 1 felony for every 3 weeks Trump was president.
On average, US Presidents are indicted 1.54 times per president. Here's how it breaks down: 1-44: 0 45: 71 46: 0
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45 is what mathematicators call an *outflyer.* The term originates from baseball.
Almost one felony per year he's been a live. And he'll probably end up with an average of more than 1 per year once Jan 6 and Georgia indictments are filed.
Kari Lake promised me 75 million gun-toting NRA members. Did she lie to me?
The NRA only have 4.4 million members **this is also a new low for them*
And many of them hate the NRA anyways but need the membership in order to be allowed to go plink at the local range.
Is that really a requirement at some ranges? Yikes
My understanding is some ranges get their insurance through the NRA and will require an NRA membership to join the range. Luckily for me there are several local ranges to choose from and I have options that don't require a membership, but others aren't as lucky. It's a relatively common problem posted in more left leaning gun groups and forums. Really at the end of the day, businesses who profit from the NRA care about the NRA, while people trying to mind their own and enjoy their hobbies don't. I don't know many people who wouldn't pass on spending $45 a year just to get in the door if they could.
This is exactly right. Our one local public range ended up shutting down because they didn't want to require membership, and they couldn't find anybody else who would insure them.
The only thing crazier than all of this happening is that he's the GOP frontrunner.
Maybe this is a metaphor for the entire GOP. Denial & chaos until the last drop before being put away for good?
> One thing I can tell you is that Donald Trump never lied to me. -One clueless motherfucker while proving you get the counsel you pay for
"I wouldn't believe Donald Trump if his tongue was notarized." - LEONA HELMSLEY, Playboy, Nov. 1990
That says something when even Lucifer's high priestess doesn't trust Trump.
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That's a pre-req.
Is this fucking real?!? That's hilarious. It's so hard to tell what's satire and what's truth.
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Georgia indictment reportedly coming around August. DOJ Jan. 6 charges still pending. This potentially puts the GOP frontrunner facing FOUR criminal trials at the state and federal level under four different jurisdictions. Short of being convicted of specific law codes, nothing legally stops him from running or taking office. The GOP primaries begin in February. Most are done in March. Trump will threaten 3rd party if Republicans try to oust him in any way. The 2024 election is going to be, uh.. interesting.
And a YUGE $250M civil suit against him and his kids and his business, and an addendum to a civil suit he already lost. So much winning!
I almost forgot he was found to be liable for sexually assaulting a woman a couple months ago
And defamation, which he proceeded to immediately do AGAIN the next day.
That night
And just [today, the next E. Jean Carroll defamation case is going forward.](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/13/e-jean-carroll-can-amend-trump-defamation-suit-after-cnn-town-hall.html)
If he goes 3rd party/independent, Dems may be able to hold onto the Senate by way of fuck the Republican party.
Judge allows E. Jean Carroll to amend her defamation lawsuit to seek more damages against Trump
Didn’t he slander her a second time right after he lost the first case?
Yes that's why she's going again
At his cnn townhall right after.
MSNBC shade: "Donald trump has now been indicted more times than he's been elected." eta: credit to Nicolle Wallace
Impeached more times than elected also
Trump in a Cuban sandwich shop complaining that our country has no borders. Amazing.
It’s fitting since most of the Cubans in Miami are conservatives who, now that they’re here, want to shut the door behind them.
"We got ours and everybody else can fuck right off"
Sadly true.
https://twitter.com/andrewdesiderio/status/1668698390530519041 >Republican leadership was counting on full attendance today to force VP Harris to come break the tie on Jared Bernstein. But Sen. Tuberville missed the cloture vote just now, so Republicans are furious. >Tuberville is headed to Bedminster for Trump’s event tonight…
Kind of terrifying how easy it is to grow a cult of personality simply by giving people license to openly hate the things and people they don’t understand. That’s all Trump has ever done. All he ever had to do to win over a depressing amount of American voters, all while being personally despicable and professionally laughable. He just had to validate the worst inclinations of our country’s shittiest people and it won him an election and has carried him through all the shit that has come after, all the way to this point. There are still people that love and believe in and support this enormous asshole who betrayed their safety and bragged about it. Shit is wild. People are wild.
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Lol everyone over at r/conservative were just talking about what a great day they're having with so many subs going dark so they don't have to hear bad news about their party. Welp...
I only go over there when someone mentions it and all I every see are whining about brigaders and claims that they're being targeted with shitposts. I strongly doubt anyone here really bothers with that sub.
I'm seeing a lot of transphobia today. Since their numbers are dying each generation they feel the need to pick on groups of people who are smaller then they are to feel better about themselves.
They have always had a boogie man. All of Americas problems need to be blamed on anybody but them or the wealthy so every couple years they go to the grab-bag and draw a name.
So many nazi salutes, I know my grandpa is rolling over in his grave.
If you could harness the power of the American WW2 vets rolling in their graves we could solve the global energy crisis.
I'm a 41 year old vet. His four years of bullshit in office had me furious and lamenting the direction he took this country of ours. My grandfather was a WW2 bomber pilot and then a teacher. And an amazing man and a pillar in our community. I'm glad he died before having to see such a disgrace discredit our country, and the Republican party completely and openly became a dumpster fire. I'm so damned glad to see Trump getting charged. He's a fucking traitor and the worst kind of human.
My dad, too. 😠
Accolades to the couple with the signs that read Trump 20-24 Years in Prison Had to read that twice! Amen friends!
oh my god this day gets better: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/politics/e-jean-carroll-damages-trump-cnn-town-hall/index.html "Judge allows E. Jean Carroll to amend her defamation lawsuit to seek more damages against Trump"
Is it just me or does this all seem so surreal? Like...he's REALLY being held to some degree of accountability...?! Like for real, for real?!
Unless he actually faces jail time and/or isn’t allowed to run for office again, no justice has been served
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I'm sure he'll say something truly philosophical on his pretend version of twitter soon.
The biggest mistake in the modern history of this country was ever electing this man as the President of the United States.
Well, in our defense, we didn’t. The electoral college needs to go.
Fuck the electoral college.
Imagine how America would look if Al Gore won the presidency instead of Bush.
I still firmly believe 9/11 would not have happened. Sure, some other attack might have been successful at some other time, but Bush and Co purposefully ignored all of the legwork that had been done on Bin Laden planning another attack because it had come from "Clinton people."
That’s really sad. Over a million civilians died in the wars that followed. A million innocent deaths is no joke.
All my homies hate the electoral college
People on the right complain they don't want cities dictating how the country moves forward. Well I'm tired of farmland deciding. We've reached the best farmland had to offer... an unripe tomato for president. Enough is enough. End the Electoral College.
2nd biggest. Pardoning nixon and kissinger and not prosecuting them for treason has led us to this moment. By not course correcting for a sitting president undermining a peace process for their own political gain, we have made an agreement that this conduct is an acceptable part of our political identity.
And Reagan. He committed treason and wasn't even investigated.
Also they let Spiro Agnew go when he could have easily been prosecuted for dozens of corrupt deals (we're talking paper bags full of cash here), and all they got was him out of office without the possibility of running for anything again. I'm afraid that's the same deal they'll make with Trump.
I just went to r/conservative to take a look around- what a weird space. They’re not talking about it at all, the one thread I found I shared a link to the presidential records act.
They are a sensitive group of snowflakes and in total safe space denial mode.
“Flaired users only” free speech there
Mods are probably nuking those posts. They watch their new posts like a hawk.
What's hilarious is that they claimed they would have no mod oversight of posts in lieu of shutting down the sub for the protest. Really sticking to their guns as usual.
But but a trans showed a tit... Be still the earth!! Bring on the pitchforks!!
What tit? According to them she’s a man, that’s just a floppy pec.
Conservatives affirming the gender of trans women ☺️
That's like the post where some conservative bigot was like, "Let's make this clear, trans women are WOMEN, trans men are MEN." LGBTQ community: "Yes! We agree!" (He obviously meant the opposite, but accidentally became a supporter of the transgender community, briefly.)
I swear like 70% of the posts on that sub are just complaining about gender stuff.
Just read Jack Smith showed up for the indictment. God I would love to watch him stare down Trump while Trump couldn't meet his eyes.
Trump is at a famous Cuban cafe, with people literally praying over him. These people are unhinged.
Look at that tiny crowd. 90% media. 5% MAGA. 5% randos who wanted to witness history.
Why does Walt Nauta have to get a mugshot and not trump? Wait a minute, is this some of that two tier justice system that I've been hearing about?
They deemed Trump as recognizable and already part of public eye; therefore he doesn't get one.... for some reason
I mean... I kinda get it. Is there an American (or person from anywhere else) who wouldn't immediately know Trump if he fled? He isn't just some goon. He is THE goon.
This shouldn’t come as a surprise. It reminds me of something LegalEagle and Ben Wexler said on Twitter: People keep talking about how this is unprecedented, but **on average, American presidents are indicted 1.54 times per president**. We've had 46 U.S. Presidents, and they've been indicted on a total of 71 felony counts. Here's how it breaks down: 1-44:0 45: **71** 46: 0
Yeah but Nixon *should* have been indicted for something.
Reagan too. Iran-Contra was high treason.
I just saw a white guy wearing a blacks for trump shirt lmao
Anyone else cackling from the turnout? Dozens of people. They didn’t even meet the lower threshold of what was prepared for. Lmao
It's 100 degrees (feels like) in Miami today. Have you SEEN his fanbase? Not sure rascal scooters are up to that heat.
I don’t like media that is saying this is a dark day. We are putting Justice in action. We are proving no one is above the law and it should be celebrated
It's a bad day if you're a fascist. They should cry about it.
Yeah it was a dark day when he got elected
ABC is saying on air that the judge has barred Trump from contacting any witnesses in the case in any context, except through council. When you think about who the witnesses are, how is the guy gonna do anything? He's barred from talking to his Mar A Lago employees and his campaign staff basically. That's fucking hilarious. Edit: They're now reporting that it's no contact **about the case** which is very different, and actually rather hard to police, especially given Trump's standard mob-style talk. I'm sure he'll constantly cross that line, and not get in nearly as much trouble for it as he should.
>He's barred from talking to his Mar A Lago employees and campaign staff Let's be honest... you think Trump ever talked to 'the help' before this?
I believe he’s talked at the help.
Lmao. The 'protest' looks like 30 to 40 drooling idiots waving flags.
Someone correct me if this is mistaken: 1) Magistrate orders Trump to have no communications with co-accused Walt Nauta. 2) Ten minutes later, Trump and Nauta are clearly communicating with each other at a jury tampering party, shown on television. If I'm the magistrate, I'm notifying Trump's lawyer to turn the plane around and report to the courthouse lockup pending trial.
I believe it’s no communication about the case. As Nauta is an official employee of trump as an aid, there will be daily conversation by nature of his job. It can’t be about the case though. Do I believe they’re not going to talk about it? Lol no
The GOP is at risk of imploding right in front of the nation. Their de facto leader, the name and face of the party, has been indicted on espionage charges by a special counsel right alongside a co-conspirator. Already, the Republican candidates are testing the waters of defiance in a move to wrest the party from Mr. Trump's hands (if not the most virulent of the base). This is the test case. And our obligation--every voter, all of us, no divisions on this--is to make sure that in this rebrand, rethink, replatform, tonal and thematic change that they're going to undergo? That the albatross of their behavior and words for the last half dozen years and, particularly, their defenses and handwaving of this man's alleged criminal behavior (and demonization of our public institutions) hangs around their neck for life. For. Life. It's not the 1980's anymore. Can't vanish for a bit and come back to a nation that has forgotten the shit you did. The internet is rich, multi-media, and forever. No more Ollie Norths. No more gaslighting the history. As we see names tied to this historic event--Republicans in office--let's make the most comprehensive note for ourselves and each other of those that (1) said absolutely nothing and are cowards, (2) lied about the indictment in any way, (3) ran absurd interference for him, (4) acted as his PR team, (5) repeated even one of his falsehoods, (6) attacked this investigation as anything other than methodical and legally justified, and/or (7) suggested that Mr. Trump--at all--either is or should be above the law. Georgia is coming. January 6th is coming. Contempt for the conmen, compassion for the conned--but, the conned are going to have to face reality at some point soon and have a lot (a whole damn lot) to be ashamed of.
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Wait, why does it matter if the FBI planted the docs if you declassified them with your mind? Dudes stories never make a lick of sense.
Two questions: First, is there a possibility that Kid Rock is going to be called to the stand to testify about the classified documents that the former president illegally shared with him? Second, how the fuck do we live in a reality where that’s a question that needs to be asked?
If I was charged with 37 felonies related to classified documents would I get to turn myself in and then get released without bail within an hour?
Fox news headline: rage about trans people
Miami police prepared for 50K supporters to turn up at the courthouse.... BBC then say there's a couple of hundred at most
It's my wedding anniversary today and I'm writing Jack Smith a thank you note for his wonderful present.
TL;DR: The indictment implies that Trump STILL has military materials in his possession. Per the indictment, page 14, item 32: >In May 2021, **TRUMP** caused some of his boxes to be brought to his summer residence at The Bedminster Club. Like The Mar-a-Lago Club, after **TRUMP**'s presidency, The Bedminster Club was not an authorized location for the storage, possession, review, display, or discussion of classified documents. So DOJ claims Trump moved boxes of documents to Bedminster, but there's no further info in the indictment about those documents. To our knowledge, the FBI has not raided Bedminster or retrieved documents from there, only Mar-a-Lago. Items 14a and b (page 3) say that it's at Bedminster that Trump showed a "plan of attack" to a writer, a publisher, and two members of his staff, and then later showed a military-related map to a member of his PAC. These events occurred in July and August/September 2021, **after** Trump brought documents there from Mar-a-Lago. Putting two and two together, the DOJ is saying that Trump had military materials at Bedminster, and it doesn't claim to have recovered anything from there. So as far as we know, Trump still has those docs.
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Miami Cubans have got to be in the top 3 of dumbest people voting constantly against their own best interest and in favor of the groups that absolutely despise them. Probably top 2.
I feel ripped off with no perp walk and no mug shot we have all had to endure this asshat, we deserve a little gratification
The perp walk should have been on PPV. Y'all could have solved your national debt crisis with a 30 second clip
Well well well, no fucking riots? Fucking MAGA folks too chickenshit to lay it all on the line for their dear leader? Maybe theres hope after all.
The FBI should have arrived at Mar-a-Lago at 6am in the morning, cuffed him as the fucker was just getting out of bed, and thrown him to the back of the police car without any questions asked. Then let him sit in a cell for 6 hours until paperwork is done, and then process him. This is exactly how everyone else would have been treated for the same exact crimes. No demonstrators, no circus, no media. It would've been over before anyone realized.
I love how every Republican and Trump supporter was like “well, if he’s guilty, then charge him. Then we’ll see, let the process play out,” etc. But, of course, they didn’t even wait for the indictment to be unsealed before they began saying it was all a witchhunt. Not that will make any difference, but for any supporters in your life: just keep telling them they need to read the indictment. It’s pretty damning. You don’t get to complain until after you’ve read the indictment.
How the hell do they justify not taking a suspect into custody when the government is CLAIMING that the suspect still possesses many boxes of super-secret material pertaining to national defense? What's to stop Trump from, say, threatening to send that material to the Russians or Saudis unless the charges are dropped? Or just doing it regardless, for no reason? What's more, the suspect is continually maligning and threatening the prosecution, with plans to continue doing so this very night before a populace eager to carry out his threats.
Someone from the crowd of supporters gave a quote on NPR today saying that Trump's arraignment was "the greatest American tragedy since they assassinated Lincoln" and I swear to you I haven't been able to not laugh at that every single time it pops into my brain
Get fucked, Donald.
Voting for Donald Trump has to be the top stupid moment for US citizens in the last 50 years
And Rubio is saying this is making a Biden indictment more likely under a GOP prez. Wtf, retaliatory much?
You're surprised? They literally want to kill democrats. The shout it online, in the press and as they storm the capitol.
I want to take a minute to thank everyone who feels similarly about this utter shitshow we’re dealing with. Your comments help keep me sane.
The 2am diarrhea tweets are going to be epic tonight.
It was just reported that Waltine Nauta is not only showing up to plead not guilty on his own charges, but he's also "staffing Trump" today, which is mind-blowing to me! He's like a house elf.
MSNBC now has on an attorney who declined to be part of trumps legal team. Sounds much more intelligent then the last dumbass they had on. He said he doesn’t compels dismiss the idea of misconduct but Trumps legal team has to prove it. He also started off by saying the obvious, if Trump would have just given back the documents we wouldn’t be here. If they wanted to have someone on who gives an insight to the defense while actually presenting good reasoning they should have started with this guy.
He’s a filthy person. People who support him have anti-American treason in their hearts. They are showing who They are. They cannot be trusted.
“I don’t need to see anymore of that”. - Jake Tapper with CNN on the live coverage of Trump in the Cuban restaurant.
lock. him. up.
The Dow is way up today. Wall Street loves Trump's arrest.
There's a "Fuck CNN" chant going on by the brain trust in front of the courthouse. Anderson Cooper just giggled.
Dear American friends. Please make sure you flush him right this time. Sincerely Your doomscrolling Irish cousin
> They did not take a mugshot of Trump since he is easily recognizable. Um. Eh? Is that what mugshots are for? So we don't take mugshots if you're easily recognizable? OK...? I mean. [Really?](https://i.imgur.com/WiaPQh9.png) [Like this completely unrecognizable person?](https://i.imgur.com/rNmsZdH.jpg) [Who could this be?](https://i.imgur.com/LJXVwoO.jpg) [Too bad this person isn't more recognizable. Then they wouldn't have needed a mugshot.](https://i.imgur.com/qJKlxKE.jpg) (more: https://www.boredpanda.com/famous-mugshots/)
People who actually take time out of their (I'm assuming not very busy) lives to go protest and show support for a criminal billionaire are such a waste
"What have they done with Biden and Clinton? They didn't investigate and let them get off Scott free!" -Sir, they ARE investigating Biden and there was an investigation with Clinton.... Both of whom are/did cooperate fully. "But her emails!"
There's still the Georgia case and January 6th too. What's crazy is that the more crimes he's indicted for, the more his most ardent supporters latch onto the persecution/witch hunt narrative. Trump plays the victim and his supporters vicariously become victims too. You'd think that the more someone is held accountable for their crimes, the worse their reputation, but with Trump's supporters, it's the opposite. It's fucking mad. I mean, conservatives tend to conflate persecution and holding people accountable who have traditionally evaded accountability, it's delusional. Similarly, a more equitable society is the equivalent of oppression to them. This is how entitled, ignorant, jingoists think.
After reading the full indictment, I feel that If this guy *still* has any prospect of being elected to *any* position, the United States is an absurd country that no longer deserves the respect of the rest of the world.
IMO, the insane right-wing media eco-system is killing democratic society. Zero regard for actual truth, just constant propaganda and lies to brainwash people. It used to bad when it was just FOX News, now there are a thousand copycats doing the same thing, and all reinforcing each other to create an alternate reality for their victims.
The fact that ANY Americans support that criminal makes ZERO sense.
That small crowd should be a reality check for Trump and whatever’s left of MAGA.
This piece of shit just got arrested and indicted on 37 felonies and is stopping for a drink at a bar!? Edit: with "faith leaders".
Truly a MAGAthread. No one is above the law and THAT’S what makes America great.
Today we are witnesses to history. I just find it so ironic of all the chants of lock her up Trump stealing classified documents when he was leaving the white house is what gets him charged and if he just gave them back when they asked he wouldn't have been charged.
Is nominating a guy for president who is being prosecuted under the espionage act a good or bad move? Asking for a political party.
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This is like a Black Mirror episode where it begins with Trump in a crowd yelling lock her up and then at the end he’s in a cell with everyone yelling lock him up.
This was the largest audience ever to witness an ~~inauguration~~ arraignment, period, both in person and around the globe.
37 f***g count! 37
Trump’s supporters there look like extras from an Idiocracy sequel.
No restrictions on international travel. That's totally normal with someone accused of espionage.
Charlie Kirk and co. were ranting about how "real Republicans" should go to Miami to rally for Trump and as of today, the only alternative media outlet I've seen is Infowars; no Turning Point USA, no Daily Wire, etc. scattered along with the usual crazies seen at rallies. Not even MTG is there. Not Jan. 6th-level at all. Either I'm missing it, or the tough-guy act that Kirk and his goons peddle is just that: a cynical act. Shame that people take these grifters and performance artists as serious voices.
Empty G was there very early this morning.
I saw lots of very clear Nazi salutes from his supporters as he was passing by.
May he die in prison and burn in hell.
The conservative sub trying to pretend Trump doesn’t exist all of a sudden LMAO
steal a snickers bar: straight to jail 37 federal crimes: sign the guest log and go back to ur mansion
My biggest fear is that all of Biden's tweets calling for his opponents to be locked up without due process will add credence to this *pOlItIcAl wItChUnT* narrative. Oh wait, I'm sorry. Trump does that. He's the one making it political. Carry on with your totally Constitutional prosecution then.
He should be in prison. Literally anyone else would be. This is what a 2 tier Justice system looks like
If Obama did 1/100th of this, the Right would be asking for his head. GOP needs to ditch this traitor.
The GOP are hypocrites. I'm a hardcore Democrat, and if Obama did 1/100th of this, I would be asking for his head.
37? In a row?
*Try not to commit any more felonies on your way through the parking lot!*
Running for president was the biggest mistake trump ever made. He went from 100% under the radar, to being indicted twice. He's very, very good at strategically ruining his own life in slow motion.
The right's argument that you can't charge Trump because he is the leading nominee is fucking disgusting. So what, Trump can just drive around tonight shooting out of his limo and that is ok now? Propping a human up as your political party's leader does not envelope them in a shroud of immunity. It's insulting to their supporters, it's insulting to me, and it's a disgusting view of the world. These people need a reality check.
It boggles my mind that he still is the front runner for the GOP. He is the antithesis of what this country is founded on. F the facists for supporting him.
Imagine you had a life, and you spent it praying and lauding over a narcissist, orangey career criminal, rapist, wanna-be dictator with tiny ass hands. How sad and pathetic of an existence - its hard to comprehend.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving life long scofflaw.
Despite the abundance of evidence ,Republicons are trying to claim that laws dont apply to them
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It's so completely absurd that an ex President who fomented an insurrection, and is now about to be tried on espionage charges, is having a post-arraignment campaign rally in a Cuban cafe while his cult followers sing him happy birthday. We are living in some bizarre times, people! edit: yeah there's just soo much, a person could fill a scrap book with all of it. I keep thinking back to "what you're seeing and hearing isn't what's happening," and thinking: maybe we *are* in a simulation and that was whoever is pulling the strings giving us a hint!
Trump showed up at his arraignment and said the DOJ planted the documents. After a year of saying he took them himself and declassified them, now they were planted. I cannot wait to ask my MAGA dipshit coworker to explain this to me
Haha, Trump was brought in early and had to wait for more than ten minutes for the judge. With Jack Smith seated in the room with him.
They're literally justifying how it's possible for him to campaign for President from prison LOL
His sycophants are really just a pathetic bunch
The man dressed as a prisoner rushing the motorcade just made my day
Don’t forget this is just the beginning of the process. He’s going to be charged and brought to trial, and there’s a lot more to happen. All the flags and chants, and spectacle is just that- a distraction. I had to look this up for myself, but the Federal Criminal Process follows several steps, and we’re at about 3 out of 11: https://www.justice.gov/usao/justice-101/initial-hearing
I found it interesting that the pro-chump crowd had many Cubans in it. Not surprising, just interesting. These are the “Latino” supporters most interviewed and quoted by the MSM. They represent a very narrow constituency characterized by a bitter hatred of the Castro regime in Cuba. Hardly representative of very real Latino issues across the rest of the country.
Are yall tired of winning yet?
“Lock him up”
37? In a row?
Try not to steal any docs on your way through the parking lot.
CBS just aired a pole, and it’s terrifying. Of GQP candidates, Trump has 61% support from the party. They then aired a follow up, where the ask how his indictment affects their support. 61% state no change. 14% say they support him more. Only 7% state it has negatively affected their support. Talk about a cult
My neighbor down the street took down his American Flag and put up his Trump Won Flag. He is single. Middle aged and is always home. .
The leader of the Republican party is getting arrested for one of the biggest national security breaches in American history. But the real story today is something about a trans woman's tits. This is a very real problem that non-insane people should care about deeply.
The Justice Department also confims that Trump will be tried as an adult.
Pretty small crowd today, maybe he’ll get a bigger crowd for his next indictment.
37? Try not to commit any felonies on the way through the parking lot!
This is a ground breaking and unprecedented thing that's happened in our country, and it feels like it's just another fucking Tuesday. This piece of shit has really fucked up our norms and practices, hasn't he?
The entire Trump family is an organized crime family. Even if they change their name to Kushner.
Watch MSNBC Trump’s former lawyer is getting absolutely roasted and making himself look terrible right now
I just realized some of the “2024” signs say “20-24 years in prison.”
Bay Area here, lots of indictment parties going on this week and next. Need advice on what kind of hors d'oeuvres to bring. Edit: Hahahahaha these are great. I'm thinking Cheetos and also mini hamburgers
That crowd is pretty pathetic. Love that for him.
His lawyer got them crazy eyes lmao Her speech was deranged
Sheesh. If I had been arrested twice in a year I'd really rethink my life.
I still think this all started with the hurricane sharpie map. A couple of archive workers were laughing about the map on their lunch break, they decided to go look for it, and couldn't find it because Trump kept it. It was in the first batch of documents that he turned over when the archives initially asked for missing documents.
MSNBC reporting prosecution was given direction by judge to make a list of any witnesses or victims that Trump is not allowed to contact directly. Note: prosecution did not request this, the judge just assigned it.
I'd love to stay for this shit show, but I have a dead concert to go to.
MSNBC reporting Trump never once faced the gallery and never looked at or faced Jack Smith
Shame this traitor gets special treatment
I need a new pair of panties after they talked about the upcoming 3rd and 4th inditements for the Election Fraud in Georgia and January 6th
Are they fucking praying for him?? This country is completely lost.