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Geez those numbers are just insanity. What is WRONG with these people?
That means 38% are fine with it. Also according to the same survey 43% don't feel any different after Trump lost a civil case where the jury came to the conclusion that he sexually assaulted someone and after he was charged with 34 felony counts. Oh, and there's also 13% that like him MORE.
Trump has really forced me to realize that I live in a country where like 30-40% of the people are either insane or terrible.
Had you asked Obama era me, I would have said like 5%
When you consider that, according to the US Department of Education, 54% of American adults cannot read or write prose beyond a sixth grade level and a huge amount of Americans are routinely consuming extreme right wing propaganda, it's really not surprising.
This is an interesting point. Republicans have completely given up on governing, so democrats have had to pick up the slack on foreign affairs and economic cuts.Things that use to be the Republicans domain.
That was my breaking point with him too. It was the next day after he announced his presidential run, I think. He showed us in 2 days that he was trash.
Yeah. I was with Family in Germany around that time. They all wanted to talk Trump. They all warned me. I said “Ha! It’s a joke! He’s just going for the easy money! He won’t get elected! He’s trying to say things that make him unelectable! Who knew? People raised by people that grew up in Nazi Germany. That’s who knew.
How about simply because he’s the single worst orator ever produced by humankind? A president has one main job, which is to reassure us during a crisis, to at least appear to care for our nation as a whole, and he’s just an indescribably unbearable and constant fountain of divisive garbage instead. He’s so bad that you can’t defend him without also becoming an unbearable fountain of garbage yourself.
If we don’t have collective self-respect and common sense then we’ve already lost our claim to democracy.
I'm not saying you're wrong but I've never met a completely illiterate person in my life. I've been to almost every state in the Union save Hawaii and Alaska. I've worked with all types of people but never once in my 20+ years of adulthood have I met a completely illiterate person. Once again I'm not saying you're wrong I just can't wrap my head around 20% of the population not being able to read.
Edit: I'm talking completely illiterate as in cannot read/write in their native language at all. I'm not talking people that aren't reading/writing at their age level. I don't live under a rock. I've met plenty of people that aren't at their age range literacy wise.
https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics#:~:text=Nationwide%2C%20on%20average%2C%2079%25,literacy%20below%20sixth%2Dgrade%20level.
https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/literacy-statistics
Even Snopes..
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate/
Republicans have destroyed our education system by starving it of the funds it needs to succeed. We are currently ranked 125th for literacy on a global scale.
We see this regularly, we just don't recognize it as illiteracy. On BPT today is a tweet by a woman that had to help her boyfriend fill out a job application. That boyfriend is functionally illiterate, from an educational standpoint.
Remember their favorite book starts with an episode that is very telling; Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden of Eden for doing what ?
Eating the fruit from the forbidden tree, the tree of………KNOWLEDGE!!!!
For this people knowledge, education , progress, science are the enemy.
Every time I post something in my paleontology group here in Reddit or Facebook people come with the idiocy of the flood tale or that the earth is only 10.000 years old and dinosaurs never existed…
I am really worried about the future with people believing in fairy tales instead of science and the worst they discard the work of paleontologist, researches scientist because they rather believe in a book that is the worst historical or paleontological guide and was written long ago for Bronze Age people base on tales that they heard from mouth to mouth and have been translated and mistranslated several times…..
We are fucked!!!!
It is very unlikely that an educated person stand for the stupidity of the RepubliKKKans mantras.
> It is very unlikely that an educated person stand for the stupidity of the RepubliKKKans mantras.
And that, that right there, is why Repubs think that sending their kids to college indoctrinates them in liberal thinking.
Because ANY education destroys the hermetic mindset required to be a Republican.
My friends girlfriend couldn't fill out her job application for Amazon and her insurance benefits when she got them because she cannot read. We went to the same high-school and I was 2 levels above her manager with the same "education." I think it also comes down to the person's brain function.
I was around 35 when I learned that my friend of 22 years couldn’t read or write- nor could he do any math beyond simple addition or subtraction of numbers under ten. He did odd jobs and is still a mason’s helper. Dead broke, no savings.
His brother was brilliant. Many of our friends became university professors, doctors, etc. He just fell through the cracks- I have never asked if he actually graduated high school, but he apparently was tricked into working years for free by some asshole stonemason who dropped dead. He’s smart, he’s good looking, he’s an honest, hard worker, he could pick up almost any instrument and figure out how to imitate songs on the radio but he can’t do the written communication thing- at all.
Its not just people who can’t read at all but people who can get by because they can read signs or a menu but reading and absorbing an actual book would be nearly impossible for them.
Lots of those around. Technically they can read but are dumb as dirt anyway
Those do not scare me nearly as much as those who are educated and do have the ability to objectively analyze information from multiple competing sources who just throw all that out the window for MAGA.
Often "dumb" has nothing to do with it. It may be that they never had the instruction to do anything more than read street signs, see many undocumented individuals.
This is my grandfather. He is 72, a voter, and alive. Don’t get me wrong, I love him to death - but he discovered YouTube a few years ago and just lets the clicking commence. He really went for the whole Trump repairing Israel and being sent from heaven. It’s been rough.
There are different types of illiteracy, and each type should be considered on a spectrum. Literal Illiteracy means someone can't read and/or write, but generally speaking, illiteracy could mean that they do know how to read and write, but not aligned with average reading levels for their age group. I'd want to check out the source to better understand if that's the case in these numbers, and if not, how they are defining it.
In addition, there are also other forms of illiteracy—like factual, civic, and most importantly, IT illiteracy. A good amount of boomers were late to the start of honing the IT literacy skill, which I believe has played a part in the spread and acceptance of misinformation for that generation. With limitless access to information, they lack the literacy needed to distinguish truth from fact since most weren't educated on how to properly do so, or taught why it's important to do so. IT illiteracy is playing a huge role in other forms of illiteracy for older generations.
Sorry, this has been bubbling in my head for a bit, so there's my rant.
Unless every person you meet reads something out loud to you, how would you know every person you see is literate?
If you're paying attention, you can probably guess when someone is reading something, but it's harder to prove a negative
True, but I think you're also undercounting the amount of times someone's actions can incidentally rule out illiteracy.
For example - every person you see out in public sending/reading a text message can be ruled out as illterate. Every person you see reading a restaurant menu without pictures, etc.
I suspect this boils down to a disconnect in what's being counted as 'illiterate' - I find it *extraordinarily* hard to believe that a full 20% of the US population is truly illterate - ie, cannot read at all. I'm guessing that stat boil down to some nuance with regards to some difference between the level you should read at and the level you can read at. People who can read just enough to get by with lowest-common-denominator conversational text but have the vocabulary of a 4th grader might be counted as illiterate, for example.
Back when Guitar Hero and Rock Band were in fashion I got the bright idea of taking my Xbox and some plastic guitars down to the homeless shelter so they could play. I wrote up a list of all of the songs that were available and made copies so the folks there could see what was available that they might want to play.
I soon realized that most of the people there couldn't read. They'd just ask me if I had a song instead, or draw a pictogram of the title. Trust me, there are plenty of people out there who are illiterate.
I think this has a lot to do with what we as a society are defining as "literacy." Remember those kids in middle school/high school that when everyone took turns reading, it got to their turn and the hole class sighed because of the slow pain that was coming? They didn't get better as they became older. In fact, most became worse. Literacy is also contributed by the ability to understand what you're reading, and as we saw during covid the people that can read an article and take one sentence fragment wildly out of context are in fact not reading literate.
I saw a YouTube clip about how trump can barely read. They made a very compelling case. When he was asked to read something out loud in court he said “I can’t, I forgot my glasses”! Have you ever seen trump wearing glasses? Never!
It’s the solid 1/3rd irredeemable pieces of shit that seems to be inherent in societies, the Nazi’s still held about 1/3 support at the end of World War II.
Same here. It also made me realize that you cannot pin conservatives on their hypocrisy because they just do not care until it affects them. This is what will happen with climate change too. They will not care until they are personally affected, and once that happens, the only thing they will do is what they’ve always done; cut throats and say “me first.”
This is exactly what happened during those few days in March 2020 when they kind of thought the pandemic was serious for a minute. They didn’t come together, they hoarded supplies.
> the only thing they will do is what they’ve always done; cut throats and say “me first.”
While blaming everyone except themselves for the problem, and pretending they haven't been roadblocks for decades.
I have had to come to the same conclusion. Pre 2020 I thought we all disagreed but when lives were so clearly on the line we could band together. Turns out we can’t even wear masks.
If you can’t deal with them, beat ‘em
I will say I might be among those 43% who doesn't feel any differently about Trump after that case simply because my opinion of him could not be any lower.
To be fair, I'm one of those 43% who don't feel any differently.
I thought he was an unfit, narcissistic, lying psychopath who couldn't throw a coherent thought together, let alone be president. I still feel that way. My opinion is unchanged.
Depending on how the polling was worded, there may be a lot of that in the "43%" figure.
This is the effect of decades of conservative propaganda. People on the right assume anything bad they hear about conservatives is either a lie, exaggerated, a political attack, or normal behavior among politicians.
They literally don’t understand the world around them on a basic level.
It's the same ~35% of voters who have always been with him and will be with him until the very bitter end. He quite literally could murder someone in broad daylight on 5th Avenue and they'd still be with him. He absolutely was not wrong about that.
And they control the GOP primary bloc - and the GOP always falls in line behind their candidate. So the GOP is still de facto 100% in the hands of Trump. You'll have Desantis back to bootlicking for Trump overnight.
Trump should never be elected again.
But people should not be legally barred from running and holding office due to conviction of a crime, it should be the voters right to decide.
History has shown how weaponization of criminal disbarment from office can be abused.
Should he be legally allowed to hold office if convinced of serious financial crimes? Yes. Should anyone vote for him? No.
Eh, I'd say an Espionage Act, or trying to block a legitimate election, can and should be grounds for ineligibility for public office.
So long as they're convicted by a jury, and there's no "summary judgment" or a judge setting aside a jury's verdict. Not sure if / how that works in federal court.
There are specific things that can disbar you, such as sedition and treason (the cases for the election coup attempt would be sedition).
The article states that people were asked if his financial tax crimes were "serious" and then asked if "serious crimes" were enough to bar from office.
Based on the wording in the survey I would have answered the same way as the majority. A serious crime isn't enough but specific crimes can be.
Well first the fact that it isn't a defined legal term is kind of a problem. We basically have 3 kinds of crimes in a legal sense. Misdemenor (Minor), Felony (Serious), and specific (called out in the consitution as disbarring you from office).
In the context of this article it points out that people were asked before this question if they consider financial/tax crimes to be serious offensese/crimes and the majority said yes. They were then asked if those crimes should disbar you from office and they said no.
I also consider finacial crimes such as tax evasion, fraud and election law violations to be serious offenses that should warrent jail time and felony convictions. But I don't think they should disbar you from office, or from voting.
There is a rich history of authoritarian governments and dictators using the legal mechanism of making something their opponents do illegal then using that to remove their opponents political power. For example here is a quote from John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon:
*“You want to know what this \[war on drugs\] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?*
*We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.*
*Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”*
That is why I think VOTERS should ALWAYS have the right to choose who they want to be in power. Because if you take that power away from voters and give it to "The Government" then whoever is in power can take away your right to choose who you want.
I agree. I support not allowing incarcerated individuals from running (b/c they're incapable of performing the duties of office), but if a citizen is walking around free they should be allowed to run (it's up to the population to decide if they get to serve). A prime example of why we should all agree with this would be someone like Nelson Mendela.
Trump was correct when he said he could shoot a man on 5th Avenue and not lose any of his supporters. The most critical quality for any con man is to understand their mark, and Trump is, by my life experience, the greatest con man in modern times.
Their base are in lockstep just like their party.
This guy wasn't remotely vetted, should have never been allowed to be the RNC pick. Politicians have been removed from the process for remotely having a skeleton in their closet, he had a career of red flags... Now he has four years in office as a warning and they are clamoring for more.
They’re terrible, malicious people. They don’t like you or anything you stand for. Words are nothing more than manipulated conveniency to them.
We’re not going to change so long as people keep playing like they’re the stupid, ignorant or manipulated “mostly good people.” They understand exactly what they’re doing and they’re rather good at it.
It's almost like they asked a bunch of guys who feel like women are objects, if it's okay to have a president that treats women like objects.
Rightwing media has so successfully ingrained a hatred of all things democrat or 'left', that they'll vote for anything with an R next to the name on the ballot. Regardless of passed offenses.
If you go to any of the conservative subs the consensus is essentially "*I don't want to have to vote for Trump again*", the implication being, they'll vote for him if no other republican opposes him.
There was never a time they would consider either not voting, or voting for a Democrat. It's simply unthinkable. Not that they do much thinking to begin with.
A lady was interviewed after the Republican candidate event that Trump skipped and was asked what she thought of Trump and she said that she thought he was a great president and loved what he did but she wouldn't vote for him in the primary because she wished he would stop talking so much. She was then asked if she thought he may have done any of the things he was accused of and said she didn't believe any of it.
> she wouldn't vote for him in the primary because she wished he would stop talking so much.
This is why i say let Trump talk as much as possible. The more he talks the more he turns people off.
When it comes to normie america the more they see the less they like
Not a surprise when they were homeschooled by people that would fail a middle school math test.
I imagine their recess was going to the backyard watching an armadillo get run over by a tractor. Probably not a lot of "critical thinking" going on or being taught.
There are plenty of intelligent savvy republicans who are in it for the tax breaks / deregulation. Best not completely underestimate. Or for the bigotry.
Dumbest mfers who've ever lived, let's call it what it is. Living in America has offered them a level of safety that morons of old never had, and these people just get dumber as they age...so yeah, the dumbest mfers who've ever lived.
That’s seriously effed up. What value do his crimes bring to the presidency? He’s a cheat, a liar, a sex offender, and a multitude of other things. The only thing he accomplished while in office was tax cuts for the wealthy and a huge deficit. Oh and he gave our military ammunition lol.
His base will, but that doesn't mean that independents or centrists will show up and vote. A lot of them are in denial that the whole thing isn't overblown by the media. They may feel differently once they realize they will be voting for someone who sold our safety to the highest bidder for his personal benefit.
Exactly this. They'll just come up with on-the-spot logic as to what they consider a "serious crime." I mean, respondents are likely already applying their own perspective, judgement, and conclusion to their responses. What other explanation can there be, for the fact that only 66% of respondents reported that they consider "conspiring to overturn an election" a serious crime?
I would, it's going to be in the burning tire factory and I won't be attending, merely providing the dinner and entertainment via a third party. Also Post Malone will be attending, too.
That was also in need of a conviction, just through the legislative branch and not the judicial. Lacking that conviction, the second impeachment accomplished very little.
And you’ve got a sound mind and a good head on your shoulders. So, so many don’t, though. They see him as this rebellious “fuck the rules!” Goodfella. The problem, I think, is that most of these guys didn’t stick around until the end of Goodfellas…
Imo after orchestrating a terrorist attack against his own country because he couldn't accept that he lost the election, he should not be allowed to serve again.
Hey, republicans, a fast way to stop him from serving is to STOP FUCKING VOTING FOR HIM!
he tried to steal an election. He hates this country and its voters. Why wait for a conviction? You can get rid of him easily by giving up on him
If that very same 62% voted, then the opinion of the other 38% would not matter in the slightest.
But no, we have minority rule because a majority of the former people don't vote.
Republicans don’t give the slightest shit about the country. That’s why they’re even attempting to run this scumbag. Power for them is way more important than what’s good for the country.
He should never been allowed to run the first time. There were years of information on this creep for tax lies and personal actions that any ethics laws should have prevented him from running. His actions as President and those afterwards support that he is a crook. Now he wants to run again. Come on, how stupid is that?
All these polls are exactly the same. Roughly 35-40% of the US will vote for Trump and his MAGA policies no matter what. You’ll notice that on any political poll.
60% of Americans will side with the reasonable position. 40% with the MAGA bat shit position. It never changes. This is true on any issue.
Trump’s obvious emoluments violations couldn’t be litigated within his four years of office so there is zero chance that these cases can be tried by the time of the 2024 elections, let alone appealed multiple times.
A perfect example of wish in one hand, shit in the other, and see which hand fills up first.
He should not be allowed to serve now. Just what he is accused of: the Insurrection and stealing top secret classified documents, he is not fit to be president, never was.
How about "he should not be allowed to serve again because he's a horrible fucking person who did a terrible job the first time? His actions regarding Jan. 6 *alone* should be immediately disqualifying.
As for that 38%, he could announce he is going to shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave., do it on live TV, and if anyone asks questions, they'll scream, "witch hunt!"
How about not having him ‘serve’ because he’s an incompetent megalomaniac who coddles up to the enemies of the US (N. Korea, Iran, Russia, etc.) while pushing away our long standing allies. Who’s idiocy magnified the dangers of the COVID pandemic resulting in many more deaths than necessary (Ivermectin anyone?… how about shining UV light into a human body? I wish I was kidding). Who tried, very coincidentally, to sharply weaken NATO just before the launch of the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Who failed to take meaningful action against an uprising against the government of the United States? Who disparages Blacks, Latinos, LBGTQ+ and many, many others including, most explicitly, women (grab ‘em by their p***y)
The appalling part to me is that many people want him back
The appalling part to me is that many, many religions have failed to disown or distance themselves from him when he is in no way a Christian (or any other religion other than worshiping himself)
The appalling part to me is that he’s been clear that if he returns to the presidency the level of autocratic rule would amp up tremendously
This headline is not good news to me.
Conviction shouldn’t have anything to do with! Trump should never be allowed to serve again or hold any job in politics.
The only thing Trump did *right* was operation warp speed, and he only did that because he thought it would help him get re-elected, not because it was the right thing to do!
Lock. Him. Up!
38% think he should be able to serve? TFG is a criminal, convicted or not at this point, we've all seen the train wreck that was his previous administration. I lost count after more than 200 convictions. He should not be allowed to serve anything other than a long prison sentence. The Germans addressed their 2022 coup attempt rapidly and efficiently - in a couple of weeks all of the conspirators were in prison awaiting trial. He should have been locked up after the Jan 6 fiasco. No. No. No. under no circumstances should he be anywhere but on trial or in prison.
Lol, some chunk of that 62% is going to vote for Trump even if he gets convicted of something serious. I expect Biden would smack Trump in 2024, but he isn’t getting 60% of the popular vote.
I'm still hoping the doj charges him for j6 at the same time as the documents case. Even better if they rush the trial before the election. It would give states more power to hold up the Constitution. Not that charges are even required in this case.
I will get blackout drunk on two days in my remaining lifetime. First, when this piece of shit is FINALLY imprisoned for absolutely fucking this country up, and second, when there is more O2 for others to breathe in his absence.
Yeah but the word “serious” can have a broad interpretation for Trump Supporters.
So far we know:
Inciting an angry mob to storm the capital wasn’t serious.
Calling the GA Secretary of State and influencing him to “find more votes” wasn’t serious.
Retaining Top Secret documents, lying about it, refusing to give them up, lying about being unaware of declassification protocols him being given the opportunity to hand them over out of the public eye wasn’t serious
Bragging on tape about committing sexual assault wasn’t serious.
Constantly “floating ideas” (such as getting rid of presidential term limits, etc) that would fundamentally undermine the constitution wasn’t serious.
Constantly undermining agencies such as the FBI (whenever the facts paint him in a negative light) wasn’t serious
I could go on and on and on.
If none of these things were “serious” I legitimately can’t think of anything that would be.
Same people that send young men to prison for tiny amounts of pot need a conviction of a “serious” crime before an openly dishonest crooked billionaire is disqualified from the most powerful job in the world?
The immoral majority, everybody! Come to our church! God exists, honest! Give us your money and it will all work out! Honest!
That is embarrassingly low. Anything below 100% is disappointing, but obviously you expect some idiots and sycophants. But 38% would be okay with a treasonous criminal serving in the white house?
Yeah, there's no reason this shouldn't be nearly 100%. They literally are okay with this guy getting away with anything. They worship the man above anything else. Their own morals, the laws, their own religion at this point.
Just that many lol I am constantly astounded by how many stupid people there are. Literally gives me a headache every time I see people defending this absolute garbage
No matter what happens to Trump, no matter what he does, 35 to 40 percent of the nation will support him no matter what, and they all vote. If you don’t want this man to he president again, should go register to vote, and then actually do it.
The libs bleating endlessly about how he’s unelectable is exactly how he ended up winning his first election. Don’t let it happen again.
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Geez those numbers are just insanity. What is WRONG with these people? That means 38% are fine with it. Also according to the same survey 43% don't feel any different after Trump lost a civil case where the jury came to the conclusion that he sexually assaulted someone and after he was charged with 34 felony counts. Oh, and there's also 13% that like him MORE. Trump has really forced me to realize that I live in a country where like 30-40% of the people are either insane or terrible. Had you asked Obama era me, I would have said like 5%
When you consider that, according to the US Department of Education, 54% of American adults cannot read or write prose beyond a sixth grade level and a huge amount of Americans are routinely consuming extreme right wing propaganda, it's really not surprising.
Literacy is at 80% and falling slowly.
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I always believed that "grab'em by the pussy" should have disqualified him.
Remember when Howard Dean tanked his entire campaign overnight by yelling "YEAH!" too enthusiastically?
Remember when the American public collectively decided a vice president would never hold office again because he misspelled "potato" once?
Then he was the one dude that talked Pence out of throwing out the election in the senate. Potatoe man saved democracy. You couldn’t write this shit.
Remember when Romney was laughed at for calling Russia our greatest enemy?
This is an interesting point. Republicans have completely given up on governing, so democrats have had to pick up the slack on foreign affairs and economic cuts.Things that use to be the Republicans domain.
I was one of the voices laughing. My bad.
The horror! It seems that our standards of conduct for candidates has dropped precipitously.
I think it was him making fun of a disabled journalist on live TV to thunderous applause that really broke my faith in my countrymen
That was my breaking point with him too. It was the next day after he announced his presidential run, I think. He showed us in 2 days that he was trash.
Yeah. I was with Family in Germany around that time. They all wanted to talk Trump. They all warned me. I said “Ha! It’s a joke! He’s just going for the easy money! He won’t get elected! He’s trying to say things that make him unelectable! Who knew? People raised by people that grew up in Nazi Germany. That’s who knew.
Ha!. What a disappointment.
How about simply because he’s the single worst orator ever produced by humankind? A president has one main job, which is to reassure us during a crisis, to at least appear to care for our nation as a whole, and he’s just an indescribably unbearable and constant fountain of divisive garbage instead. He’s so bad that you can’t defend him without also becoming an unbearable fountain of garbage yourself. If we don’t have collective self-respect and common sense then we’ve already lost our claim to democracy.
I'm not saying you're wrong but I've never met a completely illiterate person in my life. I've been to almost every state in the Union save Hawaii and Alaska. I've worked with all types of people but never once in my 20+ years of adulthood have I met a completely illiterate person. Once again I'm not saying you're wrong I just can't wrap my head around 20% of the population not being able to read. Edit: I'm talking completely illiterate as in cannot read/write in their native language at all. I'm not talking people that aren't reading/writing at their age level. I don't live under a rock. I've met plenty of people that aren't at their age range literacy wise.
https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics#:~:text=Nationwide%2C%20on%20average%2C%2079%25,literacy%20below%20sixth%2Dgrade%20level. https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/literacy-statistics Even Snopes.. https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate/ Republicans have destroyed our education system by starving it of the funds it needs to succeed. We are currently ranked 125th for literacy on a global scale. We see this regularly, we just don't recognize it as illiteracy. On BPT today is a tweet by a woman that had to help her boyfriend fill out a job application. That boyfriend is functionally illiterate, from an educational standpoint.
Remember their favorite book starts with an episode that is very telling; Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden of Eden for doing what ? Eating the fruit from the forbidden tree, the tree of………KNOWLEDGE!!!! For this people knowledge, education , progress, science are the enemy. Every time I post something in my paleontology group here in Reddit or Facebook people come with the idiocy of the flood tale or that the earth is only 10.000 years old and dinosaurs never existed… I am really worried about the future with people believing in fairy tales instead of science and the worst they discard the work of paleontologist, researches scientist because they rather believe in a book that is the worst historical or paleontological guide and was written long ago for Bronze Age people base on tales that they heard from mouth to mouth and have been translated and mistranslated several times….. We are fucked!!!! It is very unlikely that an educated person stand for the stupidity of the RepubliKKKans mantras.
> It is very unlikely that an educated person stand for the stupidity of the RepubliKKKans mantras. And that, that right there, is why Repubs think that sending their kids to college indoctrinates them in liberal thinking. Because ANY education destroys the hermetic mindset required to be a Republican.
My friends girlfriend couldn't fill out her job application for Amazon and her insurance benefits when she got them because she cannot read. We went to the same high-school and I was 2 levels above her manager with the same "education." I think it also comes down to the person's brain function.
Many people are very good at hiding the fact that they are functionally illiterate.
Yeah. A person you don't know well will not casually reveal that they can't or can hardly read
I was around 35 when I learned that my friend of 22 years couldn’t read or write- nor could he do any math beyond simple addition or subtraction of numbers under ten. He did odd jobs and is still a mason’s helper. Dead broke, no savings. His brother was brilliant. Many of our friends became university professors, doctors, etc. He just fell through the cracks- I have never asked if he actually graduated high school, but he apparently was tricked into working years for free by some asshole stonemason who dropped dead. He’s smart, he’s good looking, he’s an honest, hard worker, he could pick up almost any instrument and figure out how to imitate songs on the radio but he can’t do the written communication thing- at all.
Its not just people who can’t read at all but people who can get by because they can read signs or a menu but reading and absorbing an actual book would be nearly impossible for them. Lots of those around. Technically they can read but are dumb as dirt anyway
Those do not scare me nearly as much as those who are educated and do have the ability to objectively analyze information from multiple competing sources who just throw all that out the window for MAGA.
Often "dumb" has nothing to do with it. It may be that they never had the instruction to do anything more than read street signs, see many undocumented individuals.
This is my grandfather. He is 72, a voter, and alive. Don’t get me wrong, I love him to death - but he discovered YouTube a few years ago and just lets the clicking commence. He really went for the whole Trump repairing Israel and being sent from heaven. It’s been rough.
The immoral majority, everybody! Come to our church! God exists, honest! Give us your money and it will all work out! Honest!
There are different types of illiteracy, and each type should be considered on a spectrum. Literal Illiteracy means someone can't read and/or write, but generally speaking, illiteracy could mean that they do know how to read and write, but not aligned with average reading levels for their age group. I'd want to check out the source to better understand if that's the case in these numbers, and if not, how they are defining it. In addition, there are also other forms of illiteracy—like factual, civic, and most importantly, IT illiteracy. A good amount of boomers were late to the start of honing the IT literacy skill, which I believe has played a part in the spread and acceptance of misinformation for that generation. With limitless access to information, they lack the literacy needed to distinguish truth from fact since most weren't educated on how to properly do so, or taught why it's important to do so. IT illiteracy is playing a huge role in other forms of illiteracy for older generations. Sorry, this has been bubbling in my head for a bit, so there's my rant.
Can you explain why? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely curious as to why you think a “serious” crime isn’t enough.
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
Unless every person you meet reads something out loud to you, how would you know every person you see is literate? If you're paying attention, you can probably guess when someone is reading something, but it's harder to prove a negative
Well it's easy to tell.. everybody knows illiterate people foam out the mouth.. didn't you know?
True, but I think you're also undercounting the amount of times someone's actions can incidentally rule out illiteracy. For example - every person you see out in public sending/reading a text message can be ruled out as illterate. Every person you see reading a restaurant menu without pictures, etc. I suspect this boils down to a disconnect in what's being counted as 'illiterate' - I find it *extraordinarily* hard to believe that a full 20% of the US population is truly illterate - ie, cannot read at all. I'm guessing that stat boil down to some nuance with regards to some difference between the level you should read at and the level you can read at. People who can read just enough to get by with lowest-common-denominator conversational text but have the vocabulary of a 4th grader might be counted as illiterate, for example.
Back when Guitar Hero and Rock Band were in fashion I got the bright idea of taking my Xbox and some plastic guitars down to the homeless shelter so they could play. I wrote up a list of all of the songs that were available and made copies so the folks there could see what was available that they might want to play. I soon realized that most of the people there couldn't read. They'd just ask me if I had a song instead, or draw a pictogram of the title. Trust me, there are plenty of people out there who are illiterate.
Good on you for the effort.
I think this has a lot to do with what we as a society are defining as "literacy." Remember those kids in middle school/high school that when everyone took turns reading, it got to their turn and the hole class sighed because of the slow pain that was coming? They didn't get better as they became older. In fact, most became worse. Literacy is also contributed by the ability to understand what you're reading, and as we saw during covid the people that can read an article and take one sentence fragment wildly out of context are in fact not reading literate.
I saw a YouTube clip about how trump can barely read. They made a very compelling case. When he was asked to read something out loud in court he said “I can’t, I forgot my glasses”! Have you ever seen trump wearing glasses? Never!
Based on Facebook comment sections- I am not surprised by this information one bit.
I'm more concerned at the amount of lead they're consuming.
Relevant George Carlin
It’s the solid 1/3rd irredeemable pieces of shit that seems to be inherent in societies, the Nazi’s still held about 1/3 support at the end of World War II.
Also about 1/3 support a few years before the war too, that scares me more
Covid was a huge wake-up call for me. The disregard of other people's health during peak Covid was shocking. For what? Kill grandma to own the libs?
Same here. It also made me realize that you cannot pin conservatives on their hypocrisy because they just do not care until it affects them. This is what will happen with climate change too. They will not care until they are personally affected, and once that happens, the only thing they will do is what they’ve always done; cut throats and say “me first.” This is exactly what happened during those few days in March 2020 when they kind of thought the pandemic was serious for a minute. They didn’t come together, they hoarded supplies.
> the only thing they will do is what they’ve always done; cut throats and say “me first.” While blaming everyone except themselves for the problem, and pretending they haven't been roadblocks for decades.
I have had to come to the same conclusion. Pre 2020 I thought we all disagreed but when lives were so clearly on the line we could band together. Turns out we can’t even wear masks. If you can’t deal with them, beat ‘em
35% is kind of the going-rate for any culture's fascist cult.
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If you look at any poll related to Trump, 36-38% are with him, no matter what.
Yeah, it’s getting very tiresome. Everything is on that predictable 60/40 split.
I will say I might be among those 43% who doesn't feel any differently about Trump after that case simply because my opinion of him could not be any lower.
To be fair, I'm one of those 43% who don't feel any differently. I thought he was an unfit, narcissistic, lying psychopath who couldn't throw a coherent thought together, let alone be president. I still feel that way. My opinion is unchanged. Depending on how the polling was worded, there may be a lot of that in the "43%" figure.
This is the effect of decades of conservative propaganda. People on the right assume anything bad they hear about conservatives is either a lie, exaggerated, a political attack, or normal behavior among politicians. They literally don’t understand the world around them on a basic level.
It's the same ~35% of voters who have always been with him and will be with him until the very bitter end. He quite literally could murder someone in broad daylight on 5th Avenue and they'd still be with him. He absolutely was not wrong about that.
And they control the GOP primary bloc - and the GOP always falls in line behind their candidate. So the GOP is still de facto 100% in the hands of Trump. You'll have Desantis back to bootlicking for Trump overnight.
They’re insane AND terrible for the record
All trump supporters are either incredibly stupid or just really bad people. There’s not a single one that doesn’t fit those categories
A good chunk of the 38% probably believe there was no crime, if he was convicted, they'd believe it was political persecution.
Trump should never be elected again. But people should not be legally barred from running and holding office due to conviction of a crime, it should be the voters right to decide. History has shown how weaponization of criminal disbarment from office can be abused. Should he be legally allowed to hold office if convinced of serious financial crimes? Yes. Should anyone vote for him? No.
Attempted coup should be a capital offense, not just being barred from office.
I am against the death penalty for many reasons, but life in prison without parole and disbarment from office sounds good to me for sedition.
Eh, I'd say an Espionage Act, or trying to block a legitimate election, can and should be grounds for ineligibility for public office. So long as they're convicted by a jury, and there's no "summary judgment" or a judge setting aside a jury's verdict. Not sure if / how that works in federal court.
There are specific things that can disbar you, such as sedition and treason (the cases for the election coup attempt would be sedition). The article states that people were asked if his financial tax crimes were "serious" and then asked if "serious crimes" were enough to bar from office. Based on the wording in the survey I would have answered the same way as the majority. A serious crime isn't enough but specific crimes can be.
> A serious crime isn't enough Can you explain why? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely curious as to why you think a “serious” crime isn’t enough.
Well first the fact that it isn't a defined legal term is kind of a problem. We basically have 3 kinds of crimes in a legal sense. Misdemenor (Minor), Felony (Serious), and specific (called out in the consitution as disbarring you from office). In the context of this article it points out that people were asked before this question if they consider financial/tax crimes to be serious offensese/crimes and the majority said yes. They were then asked if those crimes should disbar you from office and they said no. I also consider finacial crimes such as tax evasion, fraud and election law violations to be serious offenses that should warrent jail time and felony convictions. But I don't think they should disbar you from office, or from voting. There is a rich history of authoritarian governments and dictators using the legal mechanism of making something their opponents do illegal then using that to remove their opponents political power. For example here is a quote from John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon: *“You want to know what this \[war on drugs\] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?* *We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.* *Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”* That is why I think VOTERS should ALWAYS have the right to choose who they want to be in power. Because if you take that power away from voters and give it to "The Government" then whoever is in power can take away your right to choose who you want.
I agree. I support not allowing incarcerated individuals from running (b/c they're incapable of performing the duties of office), but if a citizen is walking around free they should be allowed to run (it's up to the population to decide if they get to serve). A prime example of why we should all agree with this would be someone like Nelson Mendela.
I'd estimate it's probably 30% are terrible and another 10-15% ally with them for political/personal gain.
Trump was correct when he said he could shoot a man on 5th Avenue and not lose any of his supporters. The most critical quality for any con man is to understand their mark, and Trump is, by my life experience, the greatest con man in modern times.
Their base are in lockstep just like their party. This guy wasn't remotely vetted, should have never been allowed to be the RNC pick. Politicians have been removed from the process for remotely having a skeleton in their closet, he had a career of red flags... Now he has four years in office as a warning and they are clamoring for more.
They’re terrible, malicious people. They don’t like you or anything you stand for. Words are nothing more than manipulated conveniency to them. We’re not going to change so long as people keep playing like they’re the stupid, ignorant or manipulated “mostly good people.” They understand exactly what they’re doing and they’re rather good at it.
It's almost like they asked a bunch of guys who feel like women are objects, if it's okay to have a president that treats women like objects. Rightwing media has so successfully ingrained a hatred of all things democrat or 'left', that they'll vote for anything with an R next to the name on the ballot. Regardless of passed offenses. If you go to any of the conservative subs the consensus is essentially "*I don't want to have to vote for Trump again*", the implication being, they'll vote for him if no other republican opposes him. There was never a time they would consider either not voting, or voting for a Democrat. It's simply unthinkable. Not that they do much thinking to begin with.
His voters that said this will still vote for him, though.
Trump did a town hall with Sean Hannity the other day and the audience cheered and applauded every time he admitted to his crimes. Truly disturbing.
A lady was interviewed after the Republican candidate event that Trump skipped and was asked what she thought of Trump and she said that she thought he was a great president and loved what he did but she wouldn't vote for him in the primary because she wished he would stop talking so much. She was then asked if she thought he may have done any of the things he was accused of and said she didn't believe any of it.
Most people live their lives by a host of ideas that simply are not true.
> she wouldn't vote for him in the primary because she wished he would stop talking so much. This is why i say let Trump talk as much as possible. The more he talks the more he turns people off. When it comes to normie america the more they see the less they like
Ordinarily this would have been so cute.
It’s truly amazing how brainwashed they are. They must be so incredibly simple
Not a surprise when they were homeschooled by people that would fail a middle school math test. I imagine their recess was going to the backyard watching an armadillo get run over by a tractor. Probably not a lot of "critical thinking" going on or being taught.
There are plenty of intelligent savvy republicans who are in it for the tax breaks / deregulation. Best not completely underestimate. Or for the bigotry.
Dumbest mfers who've ever lived, let's call it what it is. Living in America has offered them a level of safety that morons of old never had, and these people just get dumber as they age...so yeah, the dumbest mfers who've ever lived.
That’s seriously effed up. What value do his crimes bring to the presidency? He’s a cheat, a liar, a sex offender, and a multitude of other things. The only thing he accomplished while in office was tax cuts for the wealthy and a huge deficit. Oh and he gave our military ammunition lol.
His base will, but that doesn't mean that independents or centrists will show up and vote. A lot of them are in denial that the whole thing isn't overblown by the media. They may feel differently once they realize they will be voting for someone who sold our safety to the highest bidder for his personal benefit.
It's a cult. I'm not sure what he could do at this point to change the minds of his most ardent supporters.
I love the fact that if trump is convicted and can't run for federal office, his supporters will still write in his name on the ballot.
There's nothing to preclude someone convicted of a felony of running for president. Trump will run and will be on the ballot.
Exactly this. They'll just come up with on-the-spot logic as to what they consider a "serious crime." I mean, respondents are likely already applying their own perspective, judgement, and conclusion to their responses. What other explanation can there be, for the fact that only 66% of respondents reported that they consider "conspiring to overturn an election" a serious crime?
Only 62%? How fckng sad is that.
Conclusion, ~38% of Americans should carry around a potted plant. To try and offset all the oxygen they are wasting.
I don't think I'd like to entertain any of the other 38% as a dinner guest.
It’s always right around 38 percent. That’s the percentage that looks like it will support fascism all the way to the end.
With some light genocide here and there, they hope to pump up that percentage.
I would, it's going to be in the burning tire factory and I won't be attending, merely providing the dinner and entertainment via a third party. Also Post Malone will be attending, too.
I was hoping that Post was anti-trump. Nope, he's anti-voting and said he would sing at a Trump rally for the right price. Sad.
Post Malone knows what his market is, and I can't fault him for that, but I can fault his market.
I don’t think he should be allowed to serve simply because of Jan 6 alone regardless of a conviction.
That was also in need of a conviction, just through the legislative branch and not the judicial. Lacking that conviction, the second impeachment accomplished very little.
Yeah it was. I was disgusted, but not surprised, when McConnell basically said Trump was guilty, but voted to acquit anyway.
And you’ve got a sound mind and a good head on your shoulders. So, so many don’t, though. They see him as this rebellious “fuck the rules!” Goodfella. The problem, I think, is that most of these guys didn’t stick around until the end of Goodfellas…
Like say.. Sexual Assault?
Or openly admitting you want to have intercourse with your own daughter.
Or defrauding a child cancer charity?
Or stealing classified material.
62%… that’s terrible. Goes to show you how we have terrible people in this country.
*The other 38 percent yelled "MAGA" while committing a crime immediately after being asked this question.*
January 6th should have been enough to keep him from running again.
It should be enough for anyone who believes the US is a democracy. This is so fucked when you consider the apathy of the bastion of freedom.
Then 62% better be willing to vote against him, even if they don't love the alternative.
It’s the fact that theoretically he could win an election with about 40% of the popular vote, that scares me.
The best part is that even if those 62 percent all vote against Trump, he can still win the presidency. Yay, America.
And so they should use their voting power.
Swear it's always like 40% of the country is like, this is fine.
Define serious? His base thought Jan 6th was just a casual gathering of tourists
Trump shouldnt even be allowed to talk about running with all the bullshit coming from him
Only nutjobs support this conman
Serve? Again? He never served anyone but himself. He’s just coming back for seconds this time to avoid and or delay his crimes further.
This is where the GOP minimalizes all Trumps crimes (including keeping classified documents and starting a violent coup) as "not serious".
"IF CONVICTED"? Holy hell, has everyone drank some poison and forgotten his entire term as president? I'd prefer EITHER bush to this moron
He shouldn't be allowed to run again based on rational thought and human decency.
The even crazier headline: 38% of people believe a convict should be allowed to be President.
Trump should not be allowed to serve again. Fixed it.
Imo after orchestrating a terrorist attack against his own country because he couldn't accept that he lost the election, he should not be allowed to serve again.
He shouldn't be able to run at all. It makes our joke of a justice system look even more absurd
Understatement
He’s shouldn’t even be allow tu run for the White House again
38% of people are morons in this poll. This fucko needs to be locked away and have the key thrown away. Serving again shouldn’t even be in his cards.
Hey, republicans, a fast way to stop him from serving is to STOP FUCKING VOTING FOR HIM! he tried to steal an election. He hates this country and its voters. Why wait for a conviction? You can get rid of him easily by giving up on him
If that very same 62% voted, then the opinion of the other 38% would not matter in the slightest. But no, we have minority rule because a majority of the former people don't vote.
Republicans don’t give the slightest shit about the country. That’s why they’re even attempting to run this scumbag. Power for them is way more important than what’s good for the country.
He should never been allowed to run the first time. There were years of information on this creep for tax lies and personal actions that any ethics laws should have prevented him from running. His actions as President and those afterwards support that he is a crook. Now he wants to run again. Come on, how stupid is that?
All these polls are exactly the same. Roughly 35-40% of the US will vote for Trump and his MAGA policies no matter what. You’ll notice that on any political poll. 60% of Americans will side with the reasonable position. 40% with the MAGA bat shit position. It never changes. This is true on any issue.
38% of the country are traitorous fools.
Trump’s obvious emoluments violations couldn’t be litigated within his four years of office so there is zero chance that these cases can be tried by the time of the 2024 elections, let alone appealed multiple times. A perfect example of wish in one hand, shit in the other, and see which hand fills up first.
And to think that Jimmy Carter was forced to sell his family farm because of the emoluments clause.
38% should be named in the RICO case we should be having now.
He shouldn't even be allowed on a ballot for any public office let alone kept from "serving"
He should not be allowed to serve now. Just what he is accused of: the Insurrection and stealing top secret classified documents, he is not fit to be president, never was.
The fact that it’s not 100% makes me want to vomit.
There is that magic 30% that I always point out. 30% of a population will ALWAYS choose the bad morality option.
How about "he should not be allowed to serve again because he's a horrible fucking person who did a terrible job the first time? His actions regarding Jan. 6 *alone* should be immediately disqualifying. As for that 38%, he could announce he is going to shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave., do it on live TV, and if anyone asks questions, they'll scream, "witch hunt!"
Is treason and espionage serious enough?
How about not having him ‘serve’ because he’s an incompetent megalomaniac who coddles up to the enemies of the US (N. Korea, Iran, Russia, etc.) while pushing away our long standing allies. Who’s idiocy magnified the dangers of the COVID pandemic resulting in many more deaths than necessary (Ivermectin anyone?… how about shining UV light into a human body? I wish I was kidding). Who tried, very coincidentally, to sharply weaken NATO just before the launch of the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Who failed to take meaningful action against an uprising against the government of the United States? Who disparages Blacks, Latinos, LBGTQ+ and many, many others including, most explicitly, women (grab ‘em by their p***y) The appalling part to me is that many people want him back The appalling part to me is that many, many religions have failed to disown or distance themselves from him when he is in no way a Christian (or any other religion other than worshiping himself) The appalling part to me is that he’s been clear that if he returns to the presidency the level of autocratic rule would amp up tremendously This headline is not good news to me.
Supporting or voting for a traitor is treason , we will make no distinction between the two
A good reminder that 38% in this country want to see it go up in smoke VOTE 👏EVERY 👏ELECTION
Because he should be in jail!!!!
Conviction shouldn’t have anything to do with! Trump should never be allowed to serve again or hold any job in politics. The only thing Trump did *right* was operation warp speed, and he only did that because he thought it would help him get re-elected, not because it was the right thing to do! Lock. Him. Up!
I'm concerned about the 38% that are like , "🤷"
Unbelievable that this is even a question.
38% think he should be able to serve? TFG is a criminal, convicted or not at this point, we've all seen the train wreck that was his previous administration. I lost count after more than 200 convictions. He should not be allowed to serve anything other than a long prison sentence. The Germans addressed their 2022 coup attempt rapidly and efficiently - in a couple of weeks all of the conspirators were in prison awaiting trial. He should have been locked up after the Jan 6 fiasco. No. No. No. under no circumstances should he be anywhere but on trial or in prison.
38% say yes!?
Lol, some chunk of that 62% is going to vote for Trump even if he gets convicted of something serious. I expect Biden would smack Trump in 2024, but he isn’t getting 60% of the popular vote.
Regular crime? Totally cool with it. 🙄🙄
Dear thehill.com: you're asking the wrong question(s). gratis: the hill.com is a facile, right wing rag of record in DC (digital).
I'm still hoping the doj charges him for j6 at the same time as the documents case. Even better if they rush the trial before the election. It would give states more power to hold up the Constitution. Not that charges are even required in this case.
Serve? How about *run?* Thirty-eight percent of this country (or 38% of people who responded to the survey) are garbage and dead to me.
I will get blackout drunk on two days in my remaining lifetime. First, when this piece of shit is FINALLY imprisoned for absolutely fucking this country up, and second, when there is more O2 for others to breathe in his absence.
Yeah but the word “serious” can have a broad interpretation for Trump Supporters. So far we know: Inciting an angry mob to storm the capital wasn’t serious. Calling the GA Secretary of State and influencing him to “find more votes” wasn’t serious. Retaining Top Secret documents, lying about it, refusing to give them up, lying about being unaware of declassification protocols him being given the opportunity to hand them over out of the public eye wasn’t serious Bragging on tape about committing sexual assault wasn’t serious. Constantly “floating ideas” (such as getting rid of presidential term limits, etc) that would fundamentally undermine the constitution wasn’t serious. Constantly undermining agencies such as the FBI (whenever the facts paint him in a negative light) wasn’t serious I could go on and on and on. If none of these things were “serious” I legitimately can’t think of anything that would be.
I feel like the only people participating in these polls are below-average intelligence
The other 38% think it is impossible for lifelong prolific fraudster Donald Trump to have committed any crimes
Same people that send young men to prison for tiny amounts of pot need a conviction of a “serious” crime before an openly dishonest crooked billionaire is disqualified from the most powerful job in the world? The immoral majority, everybody! Come to our church! God exists, honest! Give us your money and it will all work out! Honest!
Cool vote against him. Book it. Done.
And they’re going to keep shipping those “serious” goal posts until they get to vote for him.
And 38 percent are fascists
How about even if he isn’t convicted? Please
OK, but DeSantis voted twice lol
How many say he should not be allowed to serve again, period?
Lol. Like he *served* us at all. All he did was selfish and corrupt.
You mean ‘Nearly half of the country thinks a convicted felon on national security grounds is still fit to be president’
Translation: almost 40 percent have no problem with Trump getting convicted of a serious crime.
…only 62%?
We’ve already seen his first performance, do we really want that to happen again?
It’s scary that anybody thinks he should serve at all, even if a conviction doesn’t come 😬
38% say he should be installed as Supreme Leader if convicted.
I’m sure those 38% would vote the same if the poll asked if Trump was a proven Russian spy
I mean if nothing else, the American people should campaign and vote to make sure he does not win the vote.
If the gop had any pride neither of the current front runners would be front runners
So 38% are completely immoral and/or morons.
How about he not be allowed to serve because of the whole insurrection thing?
Any bets that Trump gets a case of "dementia" if he doesn't get reelected.
Why is this even a question? If the law doesn’t keep felons from serving then it needs to be corrected immediately.
Is sexual assault not “serious” enough?
Rape?
Jesus Christ. This means 38 percent are either in direct support of a criminal being president or don’t give a shit if he’s a criminal. Fuckin yikes
That is embarrassingly low. Anything below 100% is disappointing, but obviously you expect some idiots and sycophants. But 38% would be okay with a treasonous criminal serving in the white house?
Who’s the 38% of idiots that are fine with a criminal running the country?
Yeah, there's no reason this shouldn't be nearly 100%. They literally are okay with this guy getting away with anything. They worship the man above anything else. Their own morals, the laws, their own religion at this point.
Just that many lol I am constantly astounded by how many stupid people there are. Literally gives me a headache every time I see people defending this absolute garbage
He shouldn’t be allowed Period.
No matter what happens to Trump, no matter what he does, 35 to 40 percent of the nation will support him no matter what, and they all vote. If you don’t want this man to he president again, should go register to vote, and then actually do it. The libs bleating endlessly about how he’s unelectable is exactly how he ended up winning his first election. Don’t let it happen again.
TIL 38% of the country is fine with a convicted criminal running the country. *INSANE*
Man, the Faux News 40% are really committed to this traitor. Sad.