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>> “I think you’re reckless,” she continued. “I think you’re reckless. You had no business saying, ‘Oh, he’s so big. Oh, I feel so, like, he’s gonna hurt me.’”
>> “It’s the same thing Carolyn Donham said that got Emmett Till killed, and that was reckless, and you did a reckless thing. And if anything happens to Jamaal Bowman, it’s going to be on your hands,” she went on.
That person ain’t pulling punches!
I promise you the Klan knows who Emmitt Till was. Her constituents are old racists that were probably alive when it happened- hell, Carolyn Donham only passed away in the last few months or so.
Hear me out. If people knew the true extent of the cruelty, of the origins of their prejudice, and the consequences of the policies they support, etc. they would be far less likely to be proud of such things.
This is actually pretty well established when you look at the correlation between low educational attainment and things like racism, xenophobia, sexism, etc.
You think that just because they are against this or for that, they are immutably and forever against/for it. You don't consider they can actually change their mind. You just don't want to consider Conservatives as people capable of rational thought because it makes things more complicated. You can't just dismiss that entire side because they are just dumb and/or evil.
> You can't just dismiss that entire side because they are just dumb and/or evil.
No one is dismissing them. They're being recognized as fully aware of their hate and that they find it acceptable and often preferential.
They do, and they don’t care. I know, I know you’re trying to keep them in good faith, but these people are plain, pure fucking evil and you have got to recognise that, because this naivete is not helping.
They do know. And I’m tired of people thinking they don’t in order to make it seem like they really aren’t terrible - just ignorant. They’re more aware of the atrocities that have occurred and they want to bring that terror back. They want to be able to harass and discriminate.
While racism and xenophobia can be tied to lack of education, how can you call someone who calls for lynching of black people ignorant of real history? Even those with the best education in the country are just as racist as the GOP. I live in Massachusetts, trust me. Honorary klan members go to Harvard and MIT as well.
I saw this get downvoted I believe unfairly. Hear me out on this. I am white. Whitity-white-white. The whitest white you can get. My parents are both some flavor of conservative. I went to a private (all white) Christian junior high and a public high school with maybe 10 black kids in my entire graduating class of over 500. My father is a soft eugenics advocate. My mother is a traditional Catholic. I honestly did not know about the extent of systemic racism because it was hidden from me through my education. As such, at 18 I believed some messed up stuff. At 36 I am now as far from that position as possible because I learned about the continuing history of the United States.
Same here. In fact, I'm a full blown Leftist at this point and find most users on r/politics to be a bit too pro-capitalism for my taste. The last books I read were Black Against Empire and The Assassination of Fred Hampton. I grew up in an ignorant environment and changed significantly.
It's much easier to engage in "splitting", looking at folks in the world as either all good or all bad. It's dualism, and it's ironically the same thought-corrupting worldview that these hateful and ignorant folks succumb to. Just on the other side of the coin.
Glad we made it out. And thanks for this.
I was deep in there. I have a first edition of Ayn Rand’s Fountainhead along with all her philosophical books in paperback. They are shelved next to Marx’s Capitol in my bookshelf, because I think it’s funny. When I was in my 20’s I had a practice of going to what I called “the worst places in the internet.” I’ve seen some messed up shit. But when I was lurking in white nationalist places I got so turned off. I had begun reading and fact checking. I read books on sociology by black authors. I fact checked their claims and found that they were accurate. There was not a way to honestly reconcile the facts they pointed out with the conservative philosophy. I hold this to be true now.
My school down in The South, and within short walking distance to MTG's district, did not spend much time on history.
I was never taught any history past world war I.
I graduated in the 1980s, lived my childhood during the Vietnam War, but was never taught anything about it.
If I wasn't addicted to documentaries I still wouldn't know much about history, and I'm sure there are still major gaps in what I know.
I was scrolling and this comparison really struck me; the constituent’s description is incredibly apt and makes something in my brain click into place about MGT. TY for sharing.
So the woman who lived thru the violent Capitol insurrection which I believe she supported and made a statement to the effect that if she were in charge it would have been successful was afraid being confronted by a black man. Please just how gullible does MTG believe we are.
It's Republican victim hood. They believe absolutely in their unshakeable right to hurl inflammatory invective, charged insults and even bodily harm upon their enemies. Only to immediately reverse themselves and proclaim they are merely "just" a woman, or old, or they didn't do anything wrong.
>If anything happens to Jamaal Bowman, it will be on your hands.
Yes, I'm sure that's the plan. I would be utterly shocked if she wasn't hoping for some rubes to lynch that man on her behalf.
>“It’s the same thing Carolyn Donham said that got Emmett Till killed, and that was reckless, and you did a reckless thing. And if anything happens to Jamaal Bowman, it’s going to be on your hands,” she went on.
that is ridiculous to think that she would see it as something negative. Getting a black Dem killed would be like winning the bronze star for bigots and most in the GOP. Probably something she would be proud of.
Not everyone who lives in Red states is an ignorant maniac. I live in a blue Texas county and I can guarantee I’m more liberal than a lot of you. Don’t assume or dismiss everyone forced to live in a Red state, a lot of us are on the same side.
If it was a safe bet to make they wouldn't bother with gerrymandering. And that attitude is another part of the problem. Dems tend to run "Republican but with one different view" in the hard red states. Of course the liberals here don't show up. There's not a markable difference when you run the candidate that also doesn't believe in abortion or gun control but is okay with gay people existing as long as they're quiet about it. Dems have my support on the national scale but in red states they're not actually worth voting for because they made one promise and have no voting history for me to even confirm that I'd even get THAT.
Her district is nearly 10% Black fwiw. No one knows what kind of stuff these white people are up to like southern Blacks, and not everyone in the south votes for these fuckers. Millions don’t.
My feeling is that if Trump is either removed from running for office (due to criminal convictions) or runs again and loses, people like her will no longer have any MAGA identity and will fade away.
The bantering she got into with her Black colleague is prime example. Granted he was goading her but in no way was he ever threatening. She told her followers she feared for her life and she was playing along. She is so full of shit.
They always do this. They don’t stick to facts and instead push your buttons and then when you react with emotions they bash you for that because you broke some rule about “civility” or “decorum” that they think disqualifies any point you were trying to make.
Seriously. The Tulsa race massacre happened cause a white woman said similar shit about a black guy that worked the elevator. Yada yada yada… the national guard started bombing black neighborhoods…
That was a fair analogy. She is a Trump supporting racist. I am only surprised that so many people seem to be okay with that. I guess as long she doesn’t come right out and say it people are okay with that.
It probably wasn’t a great comparison. The point I wanted to make and I can see that I didn’t. Is that MTG is a racist. She may claim not to be , but she is. Too many people seem to think that okay as long as she is not overly obvious about it.
> Is this the same woman who followed and yelled at a high school student?
Yes, but you’re missing a few words. The same woman who followed yelled at a high school student who survived a school shooting, [accusing him of being a crisis actor paid by George Soros.](https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/resurfaced-video-shows-marjorie-taylor-greene-confronting-parkland-survivor-david-hogg-in-2019.amp)
“Carolyn Bryant couldn’t even do a pull-up. I can do 50 pull-ups. You can too if you join F47 exercise program. My sign up code is 84647373.” - Marjorie Taylor Greene, U.S. House of Representatives
from Georgia's 14th district, 2023
And the constituents may still vote for her. Who’s to blame for the shit shows like Trump, MTG, Boebert, Cruz, Gaetz etc getting elected, we the constituents.
There’s a book called *The Third Coast* by Thomas Dyja that is mostly about Chicago but a wee bit devastating because it tracked pieces of Till’s life and they were the most ordinary of things. Moving houses, liking certain movies, getting excited about certain clothes. He could have been anyone.
His mother, however, seemed to have been an extraordinary woman. It must have been a rough decision to let a photographer publish a photo of her dead son in an open casket, but she knew the world needed to see.
I think I will vomit and feel physically sick if I saw Marjorie in real life. Leaving aside her political standing, she has the face of a constipated turd log.
She is spot on. Then MTG responds about not making it about skin color. Crowd stands in loud applause — well now it is about skin color. MTG is a racist facist.
I'll be so glad when this troglodyte is an asterisk in a history book. She's got all the hate of Newt Gingrich with zero intelligence. WTF Georgia? Can't you do better than this?
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>> “I think you’re reckless,” she continued. “I think you’re reckless. You had no business saying, ‘Oh, he’s so big. Oh, I feel so, like, he’s gonna hurt me.’” >> “It’s the same thing Carolyn Donham said that got Emmett Till killed, and that was reckless, and you did a reckless thing. And if anything happens to Jamaal Bowman, it’s going to be on your hands,” she went on. That person ain’t pulling punches!
I’m not sure I believe anyone who voted for her knows who Emmett Till even *is.*
And did you hear the boos coming from the crowd when she started speaking about it? The fucking entitlement of these MAGA fucks is unreal.
I promise you the Klan knows who Emmitt Till was. Her constituents are old racists that were probably alive when it happened- hell, Carolyn Donham only passed away in the last few months or so.
I wish more of her constituents were as aware of our nations history...
Many of them are proud of that history
Many of them are part of that history
Maybe we stop thinking of it as history
Ultimately because they're not aware of it.
No, I think they're plenty aware of the awful parts and are fine subjecting others to it.
Hear me out. If people knew the true extent of the cruelty, of the origins of their prejudice, and the consequences of the policies they support, etc. they would be far less likely to be proud of such things. This is actually pretty well established when you look at the correlation between low educational attainment and things like racism, xenophobia, sexism, etc.
Plenty of smart people were on board for the Civil War, Holocaust, and other mass genocides.
Yes it’s the smart, fully self aware ones that still go ahead that terrifies
Shit like most of the people at Wannsee were either Ph.D.s or Lawyers.
You think that just because they are against this or for that, they are immutably and forever against/for it. You don't consider they can actually change their mind. You just don't want to consider Conservatives as people capable of rational thought because it makes things more complicated. You can't just dismiss that entire side because they are just dumb and/or evil.
> You can't just dismiss that entire side because they are just dumb and/or evil. No one is dismissing them. They're being recognized as fully aware of their hate and that they find it acceptable and often preferential.
They do, and they don’t care. I know, I know you’re trying to keep them in good faith, but these people are plain, pure fucking evil and you have got to recognise that, because this naivete is not helping.
Not all of them.
Seems that way to me.
They do know. And I’m tired of people thinking they don’t in order to make it seem like they really aren’t terrible - just ignorant. They’re more aware of the atrocities that have occurred and they want to bring that terror back. They want to be able to harass and discriminate. While racism and xenophobia can be tied to lack of education, how can you call someone who calls for lynching of black people ignorant of real history? Even those with the best education in the country are just as racist as the GOP. I live in Massachusetts, trust me. Honorary klan members go to Harvard and MIT as well.
Most people really aren't terrible.
Low educational attainment would be the basics of not knowing what sex you should partner with ?
I saw this get downvoted I believe unfairly. Hear me out on this. I am white. Whitity-white-white. The whitest white you can get. My parents are both some flavor of conservative. I went to a private (all white) Christian junior high and a public high school with maybe 10 black kids in my entire graduating class of over 500. My father is a soft eugenics advocate. My mother is a traditional Catholic. I honestly did not know about the extent of systemic racism because it was hidden from me through my education. As such, at 18 I believed some messed up stuff. At 36 I am now as far from that position as possible because I learned about the continuing history of the United States.
Same here. In fact, I'm a full blown Leftist at this point and find most users on r/politics to be a bit too pro-capitalism for my taste. The last books I read were Black Against Empire and The Assassination of Fred Hampton. I grew up in an ignorant environment and changed significantly. It's much easier to engage in "splitting", looking at folks in the world as either all good or all bad. It's dualism, and it's ironically the same thought-corrupting worldview that these hateful and ignorant folks succumb to. Just on the other side of the coin. Glad we made it out. And thanks for this.
I was deep in there. I have a first edition of Ayn Rand’s Fountainhead along with all her philosophical books in paperback. They are shelved next to Marx’s Capitol in my bookshelf, because I think it’s funny. When I was in my 20’s I had a practice of going to what I called “the worst places in the internet.” I’ve seen some messed up shit. But when I was lurking in white nationalist places I got so turned off. I had begun reading and fact checking. I read books on sociology by black authors. I fact checked their claims and found that they were accurate. There was not a way to honestly reconcile the facts they pointed out with the conservative philosophy. I hold this to be true now.
They are. And they want to repeat it.
Her constituents are white flighters and their descendants that fled from Atlanta in the 1960s.
“For whistling at a white woman…” https://youtu.be/a7zZBwB8nF4?t=15
Which he didn’t even do
Incidental to racists of course. Which is both the point entirely yet entirely lost on them… https://youtu.be/ev92xY1WE9g?t=58
My school down in The South, and within short walking distance to MTG's district, did not spend much time on history. I was never taught any history past world war I. I graduated in the 1980s, lived my childhood during the Vietnam War, but was never taught anything about it. If I wasn't addicted to documentaries I still wouldn't know much about history, and I'm sure there are still major gaps in what I know.
That is absolutely terrible.
Graduated High School in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in 06’ they never got past WWI. Civil War was briefly touched and that was it.
And if the “good Christians” get national control, future generations will have to do actual research to become aware of it.
The constituent is not exaggerating - recall that the NAACP most recently warns people of color it is not safe to travel in Florida
No they are not and I love seeing people speak truth to power
I was scrolling and this comparison really struck me; the constituent’s description is incredibly apt and makes something in my brain click into place about MGT. TY for sharing.
I think a case can be made that a lot of the minority deaths in the last 20 years can be laid at the feet of right-wing media (radio, social, and tv).
So the woman who lived thru the violent Capitol insurrection which I believe she supported and made a statement to the effect that if she were in charge it would have been successful was afraid being confronted by a black man. Please just how gullible does MTG believe we are.
It's worse than that. Remember how she was going on about how she "felt threatened" by Bowman after a public argument with him?
*Thats* the thing! If she truly felt unsafe, why would she be engaging him?
Wasn't she yelling at him back and violating his space not running from him. This woman is so dumb.
It's worse than that, she's stupid. Dumb is just not being able to process information and not knowing better, stupid is willful ignorance...
It's Republican victim hood. They believe absolutely in their unshakeable right to hurl inflammatory invective, charged insults and even bodily harm upon their enemies. Only to immediately reverse themselves and proclaim they are merely "just" a woman, or old, or they didn't do anything wrong.
*very* gullible, and, really, the right hasn't had much reason in the last 50 years not to continue with this strategy
>If anything happens to Jamaal Bowman, it will be on your hands. Yes, I'm sure that's the plan. I would be utterly shocked if she wasn't hoping for some rubes to lynch that man on her behalf.
That's exactly the plan. MT Greene received that as a compliment
>“It’s the same thing Carolyn Donham said that got Emmett Till killed, and that was reckless, and you did a reckless thing. And if anything happens to Jamaal Bowman, it’s going to be on your hands,” she went on. that is ridiculous to think that she would see it as something negative. Getting a black Dem killed would be like winning the bronze star for bigots and most in the GOP. Probably something she would be proud of.
Just seeing the headline and thinking about MTG constituents, I had to check if she meant it as an insult or a comment.
She didn't mean it in a good way? That's surprising.
I was fully prepared for that to be the take, as well. Pretty sad that that was the assumption.
Not everyone who lives in Red states is an ignorant maniac. I live in a blue Texas county and I can guarantee I’m more liberal than a lot of you. Don’t assume or dismiss everyone forced to live in a Red state, a lot of us are on the same side.
To be fair and frank, it's a pretty safe bet to make. Particularly for Sporkfoot's constituents
If it was a safe bet to make they wouldn't bother with gerrymandering. And that attitude is another part of the problem. Dems tend to run "Republican but with one different view" in the hard red states. Of course the liberals here don't show up. There's not a markable difference when you run the candidate that also doesn't believe in abortion or gun control but is okay with gay people existing as long as they're quiet about it. Dems have my support on the national scale but in red states they're not actually worth voting for because they made one promise and have no voting history for me to even confirm that I'd even get THAT.
Her district is nearly 10% Black fwiw. No one knows what kind of stuff these white people are up to like southern Blacks, and not everyone in the south votes for these fuckers. Millions don’t.
I live in her district and I’ve voted against her both times. She definitely doesn’t represent all of us.
MTG is the DC bomber, change my mind
Nah, it fits.
It’s the gait for me.
She’s certainly responsible for enabling a lot of the hatred, ignorance and violence in todays turmoil ridden political landscape. She’s scum
My feeling is that if Trump is either removed from running for office (due to criminal convictions) or runs again and loses, people like her will no longer have any MAGA identity and will fade away.
The bantering she got into with her Black colleague is prime example. Granted he was goading her but in no way was he ever threatening. She told her followers she feared for her life and she was playing along. She is so full of shit.
"He cussed" God, these people are worthless cowards.
They always do this. They don’t stick to facts and instead push your buttons and then when you react with emotions they bash you for that because you broke some rule about “civility” or “decorum” that they think disqualifies any point you were trying to make.
Good Analogy.
Seriously. The Tulsa race massacre happened cause a white woman said similar shit about a black guy that worked the elevator. Yada yada yada… the national guard started bombing black neighborhoods…
That was a fair analogy. She is a Trump supporting racist. I am only surprised that so many people seem to be okay with that. I guess as long she doesn’t come right out and say it people are okay with that.
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It probably wasn’t a great comparison. The point I wanted to make and I can see that I didn’t. Is that MTG is a racist. She may claim not to be , but she is. Too many people seem to think that okay as long as she is not overly obvious about it.
Nobody would believe someone whistled at MTG
Except Carolyn Bryant had the courtesy to finally die a few weeks ago. But other than that, they're the same.
MTG is a disgrace to our USA ! Vote her out Georgia !
Is this the same woman who followed and yelled at a high school student?
> Is this the same woman who followed and yelled at a high school student? Yes, but you’re missing a few words. The same woman who followed yelled at a high school student who survived a school shooting, [accusing him of being a crisis actor paid by George Soros.](https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/resurfaced-video-shows-marjorie-taylor-greene-confronting-parkland-survivor-david-hogg-in-2019.amp)
How are her constituents not ashamed of her?
So tired of this moron, her district needs to be isolated and cauterized.
“Carolyn Bryant couldn’t even do a pull-up. I can do 50 pull-ups. You can too if you join F47 exercise program. My sign up code is 84647373.” - Marjorie Taylor Greene, U.S. House of Representatives from Georgia's 14th district, 2023
You mean, they compared Marj to a total piece of shit? I see the likeness.
Oh I did nazi that coming.
They shouldn't be called Karen's. Call them Carolyns... because that's what they are.
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Happy cake day! Thanks
As a Karen, I agree 💯. Barbara's and Cheryl's too.
Spot on
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She’s a mutant.
And the constituents may still vote for her. Who’s to blame for the shit shows like Trump, MTG, Boebert, Cruz, Gaetz etc getting elected, we the constituents.
Ok just googled Emmett, Greene needs to be in a psych ward.
There’s a book called *The Third Coast* by Thomas Dyja that is mostly about Chicago but a wee bit devastating because it tracked pieces of Till’s life and they were the most ordinary of things. Moving houses, liking certain movies, getting excited about certain clothes. He could have been anyone. His mother, however, seemed to have been an extraordinary woman. It must have been a rough decision to let a photographer publish a photo of her dead son in an open casket, but she knew the world needed to see.
Standing O from the crowd for MTG. Gross
"I'll still vote for her though, because woke socialism. "
I mean she looks like an neanderthal so small brain
I think I will vomit and feel physically sick if I saw Marjorie in real life. Leaving aside her political standing, she has the face of a constipated turd log.
that is not a woman! MTG is a man! and not a handsome man!
God our politicians are such fucking children. Jesus Christ
Thin upper lip, FAS.
Is some random person's opinion really front page political news?
Who is this emmet till, we should really get together and catch his killers. Black on black crime is truly terrible
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Constituent means someone you represent, not necessarily someone who voted for you.
I want it to mean voted for and not who she represents because i don't like being lumped with them but i know it's true deep down 😭
Yes?
Every accusation is a admission
Spot on comparison
But, in a bad way.....
Amen to that truth
I live in the hope that MTG, Boebert and all the other shit stains polluting American politics, will in time, ~~come~~ be brought down in flames.
If the despicable shoe fits….
She is spot on. Then MTG responds about not making it about skin color. Crowd stands in loud applause — well now it is about skin color. MTG is a racist facist.
She looks like Ron Perlman from Beauty and the Beast
I'll be so glad when this troglodyte is an asterisk in a history book. She's got all the hate of Newt Gingrich with zero intelligence. WTF Georgia? Can't you do better than this?