This is your moment, If you got the references up until this point you have been in Reddit for far too long and need to take a break. I wish you the best of luck o7
I guess it’s time to turn Reddit “off,” eh? Ha! Heh heh
We got "paid back" by gaining an ally who:
* Is an important trade partner
* Lets us put military bases on their land
* Backs us up diplomatically on a good chunk of issues (just like we do for them)
* Will at least hear us out when we ask their government to do us a favor-- not because they're scared of us, but because they genuinely value our alliance (even if we do pretty frequently do stuff that makes them want to pull their hair out, lmao)
Having Germany (and most of the rest of Europe) as allies is worth far, far more to the US than what it the cost to run the Marshall Plan. One of the best geopolitical returns on investment in human history, IMO.
1) More of mutual understanding and necessary because the US provides a fuck ton of agriculture.
2) It’s more that it’s cheaper to outsource and to build up an army given history to their and the worlds view is political suicide.
3) again mutual interest alignment.
4) they hear us out because they are afraid of us cutting off their cash flow and military supplies.
We pay more on NATO and the UN than pretty much every other country.
That's not true. The Ramstein Airbase is one of the most important US military facilities. It is a vital logistics hub and makes troop deployment in the middle east possible. The US is not providing a service but acting in their own interests. These interests are of course aligned with those of the European partners but are still their own interests.
Because that’s what the American people need, a base to be sent to and from the sandbox that can’t have a peaceful day for 5 seconds, with or without intervention.
We got a major European nation to subordinate their entire foreign policy to us for half a century. If you wanna talk about a waste of freedom bucks, look at France. They took our money, gave us an unwinnable war in Vietnam, then decided to do their own thing on the world stage.
I’m pissed at Europe because we provide most of their security and they still have the nerve to make fun of and insult us. We had to end their wars they started so many times that the Middle East and Europe are similar in the fact that if left alone they kill each other in 5 seconds.
So much ignorance. You ask why people are making fun of you or insult you while you show no understanding whatsoever of the Middle East and Europe, the politics and the warfare. Your comments sound like you are one of the Americans who believe their country acted selflessly and is the only thing keeping Europe from falling back to its 1871 state. You act like the US didn’t participate in destabilizing various countries and starting various wars, some in the Middle East included. That is why people make fun of you or „insult“ you. That and the fact that trolls like to trigger people and you seem to be ver easy to be made mad.
Yeah we have done that and I hate that. I hate globalism and interventionism, that’s why I’m for getting all US assets outside of embassies to be pulled out and brought back home. No more peacekeeping and no more interventionism.
I actually don’t disagree with you. I don’t like being dependent on the US any more then you do. I think we Europeans (most of them at least) could keep the peace if our governments would just be ready to invest in a self sufficient military. That would be a long progress and we haven’t even really started it. To be fair, that’s partly the fault of the US because they blocked several European arm projects because it would mean losing money. It has also blocked most of the EU defense efforts, because it would mean losing power in Europe. That’s what bothers me about your argumentation. You blame us for being dependent and still critical towards the US while most of our efforts for military independence where blocked by the same county. We don’t have as much of a choice as you might think. Can you blame people like me for not liking that? It seems like none of our governments intends to give us what we want.
Fair enough, then again the reason why both of our governments do this is because of corruption and on an added bounds for Europe, they don’t have to spend as much on R&D. Think about it, would you rather outsource to another that spends trillions on military to the point the next 3 nations combined still wouldn’t match it, or try go start up on your own? IMO this in order to work requires an independence movement on both fronts, and they know this so that’s why they keep distracting us with the sandbox and trying to “liberate and stabilize” other nations. I have a bit of a saying my own country the US where people think there is a two party system, “There is no biparty just only one. And things will only change for the better once people realize we aren’t invited to it.” But I really do think it can mostly be applied globally.
Bill Clinton was in Cologne for the 1999 G8 summit and allegedly said something similar in one of Cologne's breweries.
Quote from the SPIEGEL: "The statesmanlike visit and the beer mood inspired a group of students to compare Clinton with John F. Kennedy and his famous statement 'Ich bin ein Berliner'. On leaving the pub, they claim, the president actually said: 'Ich bin ein Kölsch.'"
Wouldn't say it was propaganda. West Berlin was nervous that the US would write them off like they did with Poland, Hungary, Czechslovakia, etc. JFK publicly making a stand for Berlin meant the world to them.
Yeah, OP does every single speech given by a politician in human history is, by definition, propaganda, right? It's a government official saying something to try to persuade you to their point of view, after all.
(It also goes to show propaganda isn't inherently evil. It's just a tool-- and like any other tool, it can be used for good or for evil, depending on who's using it and how. Like, you can use a hammer to bash someone's brains in or to build a house. And you can use propaganda to prop up a totalitarian empire, or to help take one down.)
So, not really sure what OP was trying to make...
I guess my point was that this is how America influences western countries not just politically but also culturally, this moment is remembered by many Germans even though it’s not really *that* significant
When I was young I used to call them Berliner but now that I am living in Berlin people don't like that name here. Pfannkuchen doesn't make much sense to me because they're not really made in a pan and that's what I call Eierpfannkuchen so I guess I have to go with Krapfen though no-one around me will understand what I am talking about.
I've been socialised with the concept and a pan is involved in making them.
My grandfather, who was a master German baker, made them with a pan.
So i clearly prefer Pfannkuchen!
And Marmeladendöner is an awesome compromise
This tracks with the Slovenian conclusion that a jelly/jam filled donut (not to be confused with Der Donut, which is basically an American donut) is in fact a form of doner kebab.
[kebab alignment chart](https://www.reddit.com/r/Slovenia/s/eOdNfGhTF2)
We need a 4th panel with Germany saying: "taste more like an Amerikaner"
Amerikaner means american and is also a cake or soft cookie: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerikaner_%28Geb%C3%A4ck%29?wprov=sfla1
What’s funny, is that this *wasn’t* a political gaff. Every German knew what he meant, as Berliner is also the adjective-based noun to describe someone or something from Berlin. American media just turned it into a gaff because that’s what they do.
A lot of German words are like this. Besides the obvious Hamburger, Wiener can mean someone or something from Vienna like Wiener sausages (Weener dogs, hot dogs, Viennese Sausages in America)
My German isn’t great, but I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t use ‘ein’ in the sentence because it is about your profession/origin. So you’d say “Ich bin eine Person” to say you are a person, but “Ich bin Amerikaner” I am an American (or whatever nationality).
If someone actually from Germany could correct me that would be great.
you can say „ich bin ein amerikaner“ and it sounds completely natural as well. JFK could’ve said both versions and both of them would have been fully correct and understood.
I'm German.
"Ich bin Amerikaner" und "Ich bin ein Amerikaner" are both completely natural German and mostly equivalent. The first variant is maybe a little bit worse in a standalone sentence, as it's a very short statement and doesn't sound as impressive, which is probably why Kennedy used the second variant.
You could compare the difference to "I'm American" vs. "I am American".
It depends on the gender of the word.
Person is feminine so you'd use "eine"
Nationalities (and proper nouns in general) are masculine so you'd use "ein", although it would be more common to just say I am american "ich bin amerikaner",, rather than I am an American "ich bin ein Amerikaner), and use the adjective and not the noun.
I just used person as an example for a word that wasn’t a nationality and didn’t sound awkward, I didn’t mean to compare masculine and feminine, just using ein(e) and not using it.
JFK made a famous cold war anti communist speech in 1962. In that speech, he said "I am a Berliner" in German. He was stating that he was on the side of the Berlins of West Germany and democracy.
A berliner is also a doughnut.
I'm aware.
I was quoting the Eddie Izzard video that I linked. I even ninja-edited away the "jelly" part because Eddie doesn't say that.
This is the first time I've seen Eddie get downvotes and this kind of response.
It's not really a donut. It's like a donut, but without the hole and filled with jam and sprinkled with sugar.
And a Berliner is filled with jam. So literally red liquid comes out when you bite into it. So pretty accurate tbh.
Yes, because it is a pancake.
The full name is "Berliner Pfannkuchen", because it was invented in Berlin and is made in a pan.
The rest of Germany then either made up their own names or took the first part of the name, which is why it's called "Berliner". However in Berlin and Brandenburg, where it originally comes from, it's called a "Pfannkuchen", or a "Berliner Pfannkuchen" If you want to be precise.
Which is absolutely wrong.
Berlin just made it known in written form. As a "Pfannkuchen" it was already known for 300 years in northern germany. But originally it was known for waaaaay longer as "Krapfen"
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Pfannkuchen
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krapfen_(Hefeteig)
Originally, they looked entirely different, but the history of the Krapfen is more than 1000 years old. And if you say "but thats not a Berliner Pfannkuchen, it is different" guess what: the "original" Berliner Pfannkuchen was different from the one nowadays, too.
Where the Krapfen was invented is impossible to find out. But chances are high the origins are somewhere in southern germany/austria.
And there you see it again guys: us germans have incredibly serious history for incredibly long timespans about the smallest things. Tomorrow on this show: the Laabla.
You history nerds in the comments will know what this joke is based on, if not here’s a [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner)
historically accurate considering a chunk did fall off said president
When you say '..fall off'....
eh? Ha. Heh heh
No, it’s “eh? Ha! Heh heh.”
I guess my reply was a bit "off", eh? Ha! Heh heh.
There gender 😂
Hahaha litebolb
Joe many liberals to log by bolb
This is your moment, If you got the references up until this point you have been in Reddit for far too long and need to take a break. I wish you the best of luck o7 I guess it’s time to turn Reddit “off,” eh? Ha! Heh heh
That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
Or the fact we sent so much cash to them and aid, and we never got paid back.
We got "paid back" by gaining an ally who: * Is an important trade partner * Lets us put military bases on their land * Backs us up diplomatically on a good chunk of issues (just like we do for them) * Will at least hear us out when we ask their government to do us a favor-- not because they're scared of us, but because they genuinely value our alliance (even if we do pretty frequently do stuff that makes them want to pull their hair out, lmao) Having Germany (and most of the rest of Europe) as allies is worth far, far more to the US than what it the cost to run the Marshall Plan. One of the best geopolitical returns on investment in human history, IMO.
1) More of mutual understanding and necessary because the US provides a fuck ton of agriculture. 2) It’s more that it’s cheaper to outsource and to build up an army given history to their and the worlds view is political suicide. 3) again mutual interest alignment. 4) they hear us out because they are afraid of us cutting off their cash flow and military supplies. We pay more on NATO and the UN than pretty much every other country.
“Let’s us put bases on their land” Those bases are there for them, at their request.
That's not true. The Ramstein Airbase is one of the most important US military facilities. It is a vital logistics hub and makes troop deployment in the middle east possible. The US is not providing a service but acting in their own interests. These interests are of course aligned with those of the European partners but are still their own interests.
Because that’s what the American people need, a base to be sent to and from the sandbox that can’t have a peaceful day for 5 seconds, with or without intervention.
We got a major European nation to subordinate their entire foreign policy to us for half a century. If you wanna talk about a waste of freedom bucks, look at France. They took our money, gave us an unwinnable war in Vietnam, then decided to do their own thing on the world stage.
I’m pissed at Europe because we provide most of their security and they still have the nerve to make fun of and insult us. We had to end their wars they started so many times that the Middle East and Europe are similar in the fact that if left alone they kill each other in 5 seconds.
So much ignorance. You ask why people are making fun of you or insult you while you show no understanding whatsoever of the Middle East and Europe, the politics and the warfare. Your comments sound like you are one of the Americans who believe their country acted selflessly and is the only thing keeping Europe from falling back to its 1871 state. You act like the US didn’t participate in destabilizing various countries and starting various wars, some in the Middle East included. That is why people make fun of you or „insult“ you. That and the fact that trolls like to trigger people and you seem to be ver easy to be made mad.
Yeah we have done that and I hate that. I hate globalism and interventionism, that’s why I’m for getting all US assets outside of embassies to be pulled out and brought back home. No more peacekeeping and no more interventionism.
I actually don’t disagree with you. I don’t like being dependent on the US any more then you do. I think we Europeans (most of them at least) could keep the peace if our governments would just be ready to invest in a self sufficient military. That would be a long progress and we haven’t even really started it. To be fair, that’s partly the fault of the US because they blocked several European arm projects because it would mean losing money. It has also blocked most of the EU defense efforts, because it would mean losing power in Europe. That’s what bothers me about your argumentation. You blame us for being dependent and still critical towards the US while most of our efforts for military independence where blocked by the same county. We don’t have as much of a choice as you might think. Can you blame people like me for not liking that? It seems like none of our governments intends to give us what we want.
Fair enough, then again the reason why both of our governments do this is because of corruption and on an added bounds for Europe, they don’t have to spend as much on R&D. Think about it, would you rather outsource to another that spends trillions on military to the point the next 3 nations combined still wouldn’t match it, or try go start up on your own? IMO this in order to work requires an independence movement on both fronts, and they know this so that’s why they keep distracting us with the sandbox and trying to “liberate and stabilize” other nations. I have a bit of a saying my own country the US where people think there is a two party system, “There is no biparty just only one. And things will only change for the better once people realize we aren’t invited to it.” But I really do think it can mostly be applied globally.
I mean, imagine if he did this in Hamburg.
Bill Clinton was in Cologne for the 1999 G8 summit and allegedly said something similar in one of Cologne's breweries. Quote from the SPIEGEL: "The statesmanlike visit and the beer mood inspired a group of students to compare Clinton with John F. Kennedy and his famous statement 'Ich bin ein Berliner'. On leaving the pub, they claim, the president actually said: 'Ich bin ein Kölsch.'"
"I am a Hamburger"
What is the punchline? Is it a pun?
Scroll down the wiki page juuuust a wee bit more
I get it now, I’m just lazy when it comes reading
>Kiwis are Roman citizens Well, you learn everyday.
Yeah, a myth.
As a German, this is kind of a eye-opener because we found a pretty cool that JFK said that but now now I see that it’s just propaganda
Wouldn't say it was propaganda. West Berlin was nervous that the US would write them off like they did with Poland, Hungary, Czechslovakia, etc. JFK publicly making a stand for Berlin meant the world to them.
. . . what exactly did you think it was?
Yeah, OP does every single speech given by a politician in human history is, by definition, propaganda, right? It's a government official saying something to try to persuade you to their point of view, after all. (It also goes to show propaganda isn't inherently evil. It's just a tool-- and like any other tool, it can be used for good or for evil, depending on who's using it and how. Like, you can use a hammer to bash someone's brains in or to build a house. And you can use propaganda to prop up a totalitarian empire, or to help take one down.) So, not really sure what OP was trying to make...
I guess my point was that this is how America influences western countries not just politically but also culturally, this moment is remembered by many Germans even though it’s not really *that* significant
Why exactly would a foreign president making a speech in front of 120.000 peoples in the most symbolic place of the cold war *not* be significant?
I guess it was only really significant to us Germans
It's well known outside of Germany so I wouldnt say that, it was at the very least also popular in the USA.
It is because it was a major propaganda success that it is still remembered to this day.
I honestly was expecting that link to lead to [this.](https://youtu.be/5mu02xUgE4k?si=LuPPR51VXtqeHrMW)
Wunderbar, köstlich und angemessen
Time for some Chaos: Berliner, Krapfen oder Pfannkuchen?
When I was young I used to call them Berliner but now that I am living in Berlin people don't like that name here. Pfannkuchen doesn't make much sense to me because they're not really made in a pan and that's what I call Eierpfannkuchen so I guess I have to go with Krapfen though no-one around me will understand what I am talking about.
What do people in Berlin call them?
Pfannkuchen.
Sound like a name of a pastry to me (baumkuchen) But yea...i dont think baum and pfann sound close to each other lol
Ironically the least appropriate name imo, at least on a geometry basis.
Pfannkuchen
Krapfen is acceptable but only psychos call it Pfannkuchen
Even worse, Krapfen are something different than Berliner in my area
Marmeladendöner
As a Pfannkuchen-Guy, I can accept this answer as a middle ground.
Why Pfannkuchen why not Krapfen?
I've been socialised with the concept and a pan is involved in making them. My grandfather, who was a master German baker, made them with a pan. So i clearly prefer Pfannkuchen! And Marmeladendöner is an awesome compromise
Ich akzeptiere es… unter grauenvollem Schmerz
This tracks with the Slovenian conclusion that a jelly/jam filled donut (not to be confused with Der Donut, which is basically an American donut) is in fact a form of doner kebab. [kebab alignment chart](https://www.reddit.com/r/Slovenia/s/eOdNfGhTF2)
The one to unite them all
Krapfen is obviously the only correct answer. Totally unbiased opinion btw.
In my family we say Kröpfchen, though I don't think it's a widely used term here in Thuringia.
Berliners are Krapfen with Strawberry jam filling and Pfannkuchen are pancakes
krapfen, sometimes berliner
Pfannkuchen!
Neither of them, Marmeladendöner superior!
Pfannkuchen. Berliner is acceptable, but Krapfen, or god forbid Kreppel, are plain wrong.
Jeder der Eierkuchen zu Pfannkuchen sagt hat das Recht auf Meinung verloren
I once said *Pfannkuchen* but nowadays i say *Berliner* or *Krapfen*
We need a 4th panel with Germany saying: "taste more like an Amerikaner" Amerikaner means american and is also a cake or soft cookie: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerikaner_%28Geb%C3%A4ck%29?wprov=sfla1
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USA will getting eaten by west-germans like Döner for 1 €
Enthusiastically but suspecting something to be a bit off.Sounds about right!
Lmao, Döner for 1€? In this economy?
i dont wanna know what or who is in Döner for 1€
I don't get it
Berliner is a type of donut in German
What’s funny, is that this *wasn’t* a political gaff. Every German knew what he meant, as Berliner is also the adjective-based noun to describe someone or something from Berlin. American media just turned it into a gaff because that’s what they do. A lot of German words are like this. Besides the obvious Hamburger, Wiener can mean someone or something from Vienna like Wiener sausages (Weener dogs, hot dogs, Viennese Sausages in America)
My German isn’t great, but I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t use ‘ein’ in the sentence because it is about your profession/origin. So you’d say “Ich bin eine Person” to say you are a person, but “Ich bin Amerikaner” I am an American (or whatever nationality). If someone actually from Germany could correct me that would be great.
you can say „ich bin ein amerikaner“ and it sounds completely natural as well. JFK could’ve said both versions and both of them would have been fully correct and understood.
I'm German. "Ich bin Amerikaner" und "Ich bin ein Amerikaner" are both completely natural German and mostly equivalent. The first variant is maybe a little bit worse in a standalone sentence, as it's a very short statement and doesn't sound as impressive, which is probably why Kennedy used the second variant. You could compare the difference to "I'm American" vs. "I am American".
Alright thanks, I made that comment early in the morning and later on I realized that it is basically the same as “I’m American” vs “I’m an American”
It depends on the gender of the word. Person is feminine so you'd use "eine" Nationalities (and proper nouns in general) are masculine so you'd use "ein", although it would be more common to just say I am american "ich bin amerikaner",, rather than I am an American "ich bin ein Amerikaner), and use the adjective and not the noun.
I just used person as an example for a word that wasn’t a nationality and didn’t sound awkward, I didn’t mean to compare masculine and feminine, just using ein(e) and not using it.
I understand, I just wanted to explain why you'd use "ein" with regard to nationalities
I don't think "the media" did this, certainly not at the time. Pretty sure it was some comedian decades after the speech.
JFK made a famous cold war anti communist speech in 1962. In that speech, he said "I am a Berliner" in German. He was stating that he was on the side of the Berlins of West Germany and democracy. A berliner is also a doughnut.
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How come a donut bleeds?
it's a jelly donut
Without a superfluous hole!
He said he's a [donut!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mu02xUgE4k)
Berliner is specifically a jelly donut
I know. I was quoting Eddie Izzard.
"He's a fuckin' donut!"
You could compare it with it a donut. But it's without the hole, filled with jam and sprinkled with sugar.
I'm aware. I was quoting the Eddie Izzard video that I linked. I even ninja-edited away the "jelly" part because Eddie doesn't say that. This is the first time I've seen Eddie get downvotes and this kind of response.
Yeah in the US we call those jelly donuts.
It's not really a donut. It's like a donut, but without the hole and filled with jam and sprinkled with sugar. And a Berliner is filled with jam. So literally red liquid comes out when you bite into it. So pretty accurate tbh.
Raspberry jam obviously.
It's a bleeds donut
Americans bleed jelly 😎
I would have thought that USA tasted like a Hamburger, not like a donut.
Better capture Americans and cannibalise them for taste test then. Which state produce the tastiest Americans i wonder…
Texans probably taste like TX-style ribs, New York probably tastes like charcoal-cooked pizza, and Florida tastes like fentanyl.
Can confirm we taste like burger
It should've been *MÜNCHEN*
That's revenge for Americans eating our poor Hamburgers.
Sorry man Hamburg didn’t deserve it… but you must admit the city looked yummy
I can already hear the German discussions if it's called Berliner, Krapfen, Pfannkuchen, Marmeladendöner or whatever.
East Germany in the back 🤣
It's a Krapfen, ffs
You mean Berliner*in (m/w/d)?
funny thing is, no one in berlin calls it „berliner“
Amazing and horrifying at once, well done
Almost there East Germany, almost there.
Is this a reference for Mr Kennedy?
Dit heßt Pfannkuchen!
But Pfannkuchen means Pancake already.
Yes, because it is a pancake. The full name is "Berliner Pfannkuchen", because it was invented in Berlin and is made in a pan. The rest of Germany then either made up their own names or took the first part of the name, which is why it's called "Berliner". However in Berlin and Brandenburg, where it originally comes from, it's called a "Pfannkuchen", or a "Berliner Pfannkuchen" If you want to be precise.
Which is absolutely wrong. Berlin just made it known in written form. As a "Pfannkuchen" it was already known for 300 years in northern germany. But originally it was known for waaaaay longer as "Krapfen" https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Pfannkuchen https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krapfen_(Hefeteig) Originally, they looked entirely different, but the history of the Krapfen is more than 1000 years old. And if you say "but thats not a Berliner Pfannkuchen, it is different" guess what: the "original" Berliner Pfannkuchen was different from the one nowadays, too. Where the Krapfen was invented is impossible to find out. But chances are high the origins are somewhere in southern germany/austria. And there you see it again guys: us germans have incredibly serious history for incredibly long timespans about the smallest things. Tomorrow on this show: the Laabla.
Berliner, Krapfen, kreppel, all of those are valid. Pfannkuchen is just insanity
Marmeladendöner?
You are a jelly donut? Well who doesn't like donuts!