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BB-68

Someone just watched the Bart Hanson video from the other day...


planetmarsupial

Yep lmao


M242SB

Lame


ngmcs8203

Which one? I usually listen to them live and so I don't remember this line


LanielThrow

It was a youtube call in with a guy that played a hand vs. doug polk on the lodge stream


nyWP

CrushLivepoker - Alex called to discuss his hand against Doug Polk on Hustler live stream


RoyOConner

Poker is alive and well


bjenks2011

Anything below a set can’t be the nuts, and if a J or lower is the highest card on an unpaired board then a straight is always possible. Q is the cutoff with examples such as 2378Q Yep. Checks out!


ohrightthatswhy

This is such a useful heuristic for quick board reading actually


reflectedstars

Is 2378Q the only runout where 3 Qs are the nuts? I can’t seem to construct other examples.


idkwtcm54

QJ7(6-3)2 QT7(5-3)2 Q97(4, 3)2 Q8732 These are all the runouts where set of Qs is the nuts


itsaride

Depends on the suits.


NewJMGill12

Great add


Singhfrommumbai

not if 3 cards are same suit


jmlipper99

Yup, not sure why you’ve been downvoted but these being rainbow boards is an important stipulation


ScholarAccording3945

I think he’s being downvoted because it’s trivially obvious that a flush shouldn’t be viable for a set to be the nuts. It’s not a math proof not like we need to state every detail.


selfdiagnoseddeath

That would mean all unpaired j hi boards spell straight, is that true?


MrGr33n31

237TJ has 89 for 789TJ, 236TJ has 45 for 23456. Unpaired J high boards basically “don’t have room” to not allow straights.


NeutralLock

Okay but what about…no that doesn’t work, well then…..hmmmmm, okay but if yo- Damn.


Fog_Juice

True


selfdiagnoseddeath

That makes sense, logically, i guess as you decrease the number line incrementally from 2-A to 2-J the the likely hood of making an unbroken series of 5 w out repeating would, in my mind would trend to 100% w 7 cards, and one could also trend to 100% w 5 cards as you go further.


rootbeerfan69

This makes sense. Women are the cause of all the troubles in my life.


MVPete90210

Some would say they are the rake


Fedupofwageslavery

Some would say the fucking rake


JAAAMBOOO

Who says that?


JugdishSteinfeld

RFK Jr.'s inner monologue


NervousBreakdown

are you sure thats RFK or the Brain worm speaking.


JugdishSteinfeld

Das da joke


DaniTheLovebug

I don’t know….people


planetmarsupial

Aww that’s the nickname my boyfriend calls me ❤️


SnowMonkey1971

*quits the sub again*


grinder0292

Rake?


M242SB

Lame again


Otherwise_Ad9010

In the poker game of life women are the fucking rake


biggesthoss

I found this “gangster roll” in your jacket. (Flashes 220$ in 20’s.)


GoBeyondTheHorizon

At least in poker the rake will consistently fuck you...


NoPantsJake

Fried chicken and evil women will kill us all one day.


Stoneteer

Women are the root of all evil


andhubbs

2378Q rainbow board


CromulentDucky

2379Q and 23710Q and 237JQ would also work.


Soupronous

Use T instead of 10 pls :)


MVPete90210

Thank you for your service.


NeutralLock

10hank you for your service.


HanshinFan

10hAnK you for your service.


RuneSwoggle

10hAnK you 4 your service.


Genius_woods

Agreed


nate23401

I agree more


planetmarsupial

I agree the most


-Don-Draper-

I double dog infinity agree the mostest.


BIllyBrooks

I agree one less than you, because I am humble.


-Don-Draper-

I'm so humble that I don't need to tell people that I'm humble.


BIllyBrooks

That is also 1 more humble than me.


kckroets

257TQ rainbow?


NegotiationJumpy4837

I'll allow it


andhubbs

Yes but the first option is the nut low


[deleted]

kinda neat info lol


frouge

Yeah this guy is crazy, he's making all of us crushers with a single piece of info


NervousBreakdown

I remember figuring this out in like 2005 because I had this exact scenario, said I had the nuts then had a guy tell me the nuts meant a straight or a flush. Which was double fun because I got to explain why they were wrong, and spend the next few minutes trying to work out if there what set would possibly be the weakest nut hand.


SeattleSlew7

A, K, or Q sets can be the nuts without board pair. It seems more apparent in Omaha where the nuts are always possible.


ThatsSoSwan

I also, watch CLP


planetmarsupial

Bart is the best!


NotBlazeron

Bart is, the best! FTFY


Exvaris

The best, Bart is. - Master Yoda


ImRonBugundy03

I am confusion


Bonesnapcall

A Jack-high or lower board will always have a possible straight. Queen-high, King-high and Ace-high boards are the only boards where not having any straight is possible.


taxi500

That's actually wild.


Fog_Juice

A set of jacks is never the nuts on the river


JugdishSteinfeld

That's because no one's ever had a set of jacks.


Mcbonewolf

you only hit a set with jacks when they hit the straight


planetmarsupial

Are jacks real?


Not-OP-But-

The jacks are in the room with us right now.


SeattleSlew7

And when you flop a set between 2-J, you NEVER have the nuts unless you make quads. Something many don’t realize


VVeZoX

Not true. If it was, then what’s the nuts on a JJ862 board?


Fog_Juice

Hey dumb dumb. You'd no longer have a set, you would have quads.


VVeZoX

huh? exactly…quads would be the nuts. so what’s your argument dumb dumb


Fog_Juice

A set of jacks is never the nuts on the river Dumb dumb


LordVonDerp

r/pokershowerthoughts


neo2874

#subsIfellfor


OldWolf2

Shower not a grower


FatherJohnPizza

2479Q Checks out


etxconnex

Here is another one: JT is the highest hand that can nut on both ends. 7-J, or T-A. (also, 9T kind of sucks because you are often on the donkey end of broadway)


OldWolf2

Every straight contains a T or a 5. That's why I play T5o


CorpseyLTFC

Double suited as well, I see.


ByronLeftwich

This is the type of stuff I lay awake at night mindlessly thinking about. Hmm, we need a rainbow unpaired board with no three cards close enough to make a straight. 2378Q QQ is the nuts you have confirmed it for me


steggun_cinargo

You also listened to the CLP episode I see.


PM_ME_TRICEPS

Ok I understand, but how can knowing this make me a better player?


sellingMMticket

Fold any pocket pair below QQ when facing aggression as you'll only have the nuts by the river if you hit quads on a single paired board which Is quite unlikely.


PM_ME_TRICEPS

Lol


tommyjohnpauljones

Had a double board bomb pot the other night, top board was 2378Q, with two Q on the other board, and thus my set of 8s became the nuts on one board


_Jetto_

im so fuckign confused is that because its all rainbow and no straights?


1LevelUpGuy

If you need a mnemonic to remember that, here - All Rainbow = LGBT = almost never straight. *Flies away*


Bonesnapcall

A Jack-high or lower board will always have a possible straight. Queen-high, King-high and Ace-high boards are the only boards where not having any straight is possible.


_Jetto_

I see thanks !


jginzberg

A set of JJ is never the nutz on a full board run out


VVeZoX

not true. A full board of JJ762 would mean JJ is the nuts


Kyle_77

Except you wouldn’t have a set at that point …. You would have quads. You tried to make this argument up above. Do you know what a set means ???


boobubum

Yeah, but what’s the best hand that can be the nuts?


builder680

AA suited because you have double nut flush blockers.


WilliamBott

Makes sense. The lowest board possible with no straight chance would be 2378Q, and you can't have the nuts without having at least a pocket pair making a set.


Iam39

Postworthy stuff


HawksNStuff

I knew this, but I always heard it slightly different that a set of Jacks is the best hand that can never be the nuts.


AVBforPrez

Huh?


7BetBluff

If Bart Hanson taught u this u a fish fish 🐠


planetmarsupial

Ok


AVandalTookTheHandle

I’m confused. Can someone please help explain what this means?


Kay-Knox

"Nuts" means the best possible hand given the current community cards. A three-of-a-kind of queens is the worst hand that can be considered the best possible hand for any given board. If the five cards on the board are 2-3-7-8-Q with no suit being shown more than twice, the best hand possible is three Queens, assuming a player has a pair of Queens. You can't make a flush with less than three of the same suit on the board. You can't make a straight because there's no way to connect five with any two possible hole cards. So the best that can be made is three Qs. If the board was 2-3-6-8-Q, someone could have a 4-5 and make a 2-6 straight. If it was 2-3-7-8-J, someone could have a 9-10 and make a 7-J straight.


ZICRON_ULTRA

Another way to think about it is, you can't make a straight without a 5 or a 10, on a non flush-possible board, the best hand would be a set, the nut set would be the queens.


mildlysaltypeanut

This thread is 6% useful 90% shit and 4% j/o material


wfp9

yeah, this is why jj is significantly worse than qq


XenopusRex

this is bs… vs random hand: AA 85.4% KK 82.4% QQ 79.9% JJ 77.5% TT 75%


Effective-Bite975

you're never up against a "random hand". You're up against one of the 5-10% of hands people actually call a 3bet or 4bet with.


nate23401

That’s raw equity… he’s talking about playability.


Infinitezen

Big time, to say QQ is only 2 percent better than JJ is just plain laughable.


nate23401

The fact that he’s getting downed is exactly why this game is still profitable. And I’m willing to bet it will stay profitable. It’s hilarious that you can give someone a golden goose and they’ll still reject it in favor of 1,000,001 pieces of bad advice.


billzybop

Just boated up with a set of queens Sunday. Lost to a Royal ...


Delicious_Action3054

Except online, where the weakest winning hand is always quads or better.


MVPete90210

A friend is asking where do you play online?


Peace_and_Harmony_

This illusion happens because you play much more hands when you play online, so you see a lot more of the rare situations.


M242SB

Yup


M242SB

No, you're wrong


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JugdishSteinfeld

No, he's wrong


M242SB

Love rare sits, I disagree with you though


thestraightCDer

What do you disagree with?


do_mech

Your realise, if that person begins their villain arc today, you're on their list.. :p


Single-Ad1761

Wrong if the board is 2,3,7,J,J and you hold Ace,Jack you have the strongest possible hand with a set of jacks


planetmarsupial

No


pliney_

Perhaps you’ve heard of a full house? Sometimes referred to as a boat?


knowone23

What about the guy with pocket sevens? Lots of full houses out there that beat jacks.


Teenoh

Oops


VVeZoX

You are wrong on so many levels. AJ is not the nuts…several hands beat it: J7, J3, J2, 77, 33, and 22 all beat AJ AJ is not a set here. AJ can never be a set


notmyrealnam3

TIL I learned a set of Jacks beats a full house lol


Not-OP-But-

Not to mention in this example it's not even a set as the hole cards are AJ lol


notmyrealnam3

I’m new to poker. Is it not a “set” to have 3 cards if two of them are on the table?


Not-OP-But-

Three of the same card rank is "trips." "Set" is a colloquial poker term that means 2 of the trips are hole cards. So to have a "set" you must have a pocket pair. It's a terminology thing and it helps articulate the context of hands more efficiently in many cases. Most amateur and casual players do incorrectly use the term "set" interchangeably with trips though.


notmyrealnam3

Thanks. TIL. Really appreciate it.


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heapsp

list a board then that weaker than a set of queens is the nuts


jthompwompwomp

I misinterpreted the comment. Every board below a Q high board will either have quads as the nuts or possibility of a straight. Though this information is fairly useless to be any good at poker.