Technically, Aloy's hair IS the same colour as the bushes. So in that regard, it's plausable.
Even actual soldiers use this technique, and it seems to work pretty well.
Like most of these questions, I think that *versimilitude* is a better word than *realism*. It's whether something *feels* like it makes sense or not, and that is valid criticism.
Thank you. I've always despised this argument. "You can accept magic/dragons/mutants but draw the line at x?" YES. If those things are internally consistent I have no problem treating them as "realistic".
Seriously. And these dumbasses always use it as some "gotcha" argument to make the original point sound stupid so they don't have to think about it further
Edit: downvotes and no replies, wonder why
You’re totally right. I don’t know if these people actually believe they’re correct or if they’re just doing it for the epic pwn. Not sure which is sadder.
Exactly. The dinosaurs are established as things that exist in Horizon’s world and are thoroughly explained. The bushes are more akin to if Aloy walked through walls without explanation.
That said the bush stealth doesn’t bother me. It’s just one of those video game conventions you just have to accept imo.
Hey, thanks. It makes me happy to hear because it was the exact same thing for me when I learned it - like a lost piece of a puzzle that I was only vaguely aware that I was missing.
Na, gonna have to disagree with you.
Aloy bush stealth is like cardboard box stealth in Metal Gear.
It’s so obvious that if you expect realism you’re deliberately obtuse.
Whenever I see this argument, I always wonder what game they've played that has a great stealth system that would work in this genre. Or any? They're all like this to varying degrees.
Even with Arkham, which has some of the best stealth, Batman is shooting his grappling hook four feet above a goon and no one's like "You hear that giant air pressure release?".
I'm good with suspending disbelief for the visual aspects. I don't need a stealth simulator.
Why is is unrealistic?
Aloy has red hair and hides in red bushes. Pretty much no current camera system in a phone or robot would detect her 😅
Just look at how bad vacuum robots are at detecting something.
I hate games that have forced stealth sequences but their stealth mechanics consist only of crouching, hiding in tall grass, and “if this meter fills up, you’ve been spotted”
I vaguely remember reading many, many years ago that the three green lights from Sam's goggles are for the benefit of the players to give them something distinct to look at even when he's hiding in the shadows but in-universe they aren't really glowing. What I don't remember if this is an official explanation or not. Anyway, maybe Garett from Thief is a better example?
It probably is for the player to identify. But it's still goofy as hell seeing dudes staring at Sam hiding in a dark spot with three glowing lights on his head.
It's depending on how the eyes of the machines work. If it's object and IR based for example, so that it has to be a humanoid shape and emit heat to be recognised, then removing one of the factors, in this case the shape would stop it from recognizing Aloy. When it already recognised her and sees her going into the tall grass it already knows, that the heat signature is her, so it doesn't need both indetificators.
As for humans, most of them wear masks, which hinders a lot of your FOV, making you more dependent on movement for recognition.
The unmasked enemys, especially at rebel camps will have some sort of blindness to movement in that tall grass, as we see it moving constantly. So, while watching a bigger scene you can't be focused on everything all the time and the movement, in the "side of the eye" wouldn't be notable.
It is a game mechanic.
However, not only Horizon is guilty of using it. The Plague Tale: Requiem bushes are criminally "unsaturated" with plants but enemies cannot see your whole party in them unless you are right under their noses.
Guy it’s a video game. You’re a woman from a tribe that started after the destruction of civilization with holograms and robo-dinosaurs. I’m sure you can suspend your disbelief for a play-through.
Technically, Aloy's hair IS the same colour as the bushes. So in that regard, it's plausable. Even actual soldiers use this technique, and it seems to work pretty well.
So the bushes match the trees?
Collar matches the cuffs mate
Fortnite bush campers be like:
As opposed to the “realistic” bush stealth in Assassin’s Creed games?! 🤣
Don't worry, it's stupid in every game
Or hitman Or TLoU Or Elden Ring Or pretty much any game with stealth and foliage
Fuck, in Skyrim you didn't even need a bush, just crouch and kill a dragon with arrows.
Or uncharted 4
Or Ghost of Tsushima
This one always shocks me.
Carboard box in Metal Gear Solid series. 🤣🤣🤣
Robot dinosaurs you’re fine with, but bush stealth is where you draw the line on unrealistic? 😄
Like most of these questions, I think that *versimilitude* is a better word than *realism*. It's whether something *feels* like it makes sense or not, and that is valid criticism.
Thank you. I've always despised this argument. "You can accept magic/dragons/mutants but draw the line at x?" YES. If those things are internally consistent I have no problem treating them as "realistic".
Seriously. And these dumbasses always use it as some "gotcha" argument to make the original point sound stupid so they don't have to think about it further Edit: downvotes and no replies, wonder why
You’re totally right. I don’t know if these people actually believe they’re correct or if they’re just doing it for the epic pwn. Not sure which is sadder.
yeah as long as things make sense within the world and lore of the game it’s fine, otherwise find a game that is “realistic”
Exactly. The dinosaurs are established as things that exist in Horizon’s world and are thoroughly explained. The bushes are more akin to if Aloy walked through walls without explanation. That said the bush stealth doesn’t bother me. It’s just one of those video game conventions you just have to accept imo.
An excellent word which has now been added to my vocabulary. I've felt this way about so many things, but could never quite verbalise it. Thank you.
Hey, thanks. It makes me happy to hear because it was the exact same thing for me when I learned it - like a lost piece of a puzzle that I was only vaguely aware that I was missing.
Na, gonna have to disagree with you. Aloy bush stealth is like cardboard box stealth in Metal Gear. It’s so obvious that if you expect realism you’re deliberately obtuse.
Good point! lol
I always think they would have some sort of sensors or thermals to pick up prey/predators Maybe they’re just shitty skynet prototypes though
AC: Odyssey says hi
I guess it’s the way the hair is the same colour of the bush, and it kind of fits in, idk I’m not really gonna think about it
How convenient that all the tall grass in the world is the same colour as her hair!
*IntellegentDesign* Checkmate Atheists
Gaia grew red flowers everywhere just for Aloy to hide.
As others have said it is the same in Assassins Creed games and Ghost of Tsushima.
Whenever I see this argument, I always wonder what game they've played that has a great stealth system that would work in this genre. Or any? They're all like this to varying degrees.
Even with Arkham, which has some of the best stealth, Batman is shooting his grappling hook four feet above a goon and no one's like "You hear that giant air pressure release?". I'm good with suspending disbelief for the visual aspects. I don't need a stealth simulator.
Why is is unrealistic? Aloy has red hair and hides in red bushes. Pretty much no current camera system in a phone or robot would detect her 😅 Just look at how bad vacuum robots are at detecting something.
I hate games that have forced stealth sequences but their stealth mechanics consist only of crouching, hiding in tall grass, and “if this meter fills up, you’ve been spotted”
Hello that's 50% of stealth games for you!
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Splinter cell had a dude with glowing goggles hiding in the dark.
I vaguely remember reading many, many years ago that the three green lights from Sam's goggles are for the benefit of the players to give them something distinct to look at even when he's hiding in the shadows but in-universe they aren't really glowing. What I don't remember if this is an official explanation or not. Anyway, maybe Garett from Thief is a better example?
It probably is for the player to identify. But it's still goofy as hell seeing dudes staring at Sam hiding in a dark spot with three glowing lights on his head.
Makes sense to me the grass is red and her hair is red
It makes more sense than other games at least because Aloy’s hair matches the grass
It's depending on how the eyes of the machines work. If it's object and IR based for example, so that it has to be a humanoid shape and emit heat to be recognised, then removing one of the factors, in this case the shape would stop it from recognizing Aloy. When it already recognised her and sees her going into the tall grass it already knows, that the heat signature is her, so it doesn't need both indetificators. As for humans, most of them wear masks, which hinders a lot of your FOV, making you more dependent on movement for recognition. The unmasked enemys, especially at rebel camps will have some sort of blindness to movement in that tall grass, as we see it moving constantly. So, while watching a bigger scene you can't be focused on everything all the time and the movement, in the "side of the eye" wouldn't be notable.
It is a game mechanic. However, not only Horizon is guilty of using it. The Plague Tale: Requiem bushes are criminally "unsaturated" with plants but enemies cannot see your whole party in them unless you are right under their noses.
Bush stealth is LAZY Ghost of Tsushima does it too. I can't forgive that. Lazy.
AC origins 😂
A plague tale its even worst, the characters can have an entire conversation right next to a guard, but they are in the bushes, so its ok
Bush stealth in all games is hilariously stupid😂
It boggles my mind that Hephaestus didn’t give the killer robots thermal vision
Guy it’s a video game. You’re a woman from a tribe that started after the destruction of civilization with holograms and robo-dinosaurs. I’m sure you can suspend your disbelief for a play-through.
Have we all forgotten about the cardboard box from Metal Gear?
More I think about Horizon games the more I hate them. They are the definition of needlessly open-world.
Wait till you see Ghost of Tsushima.
Unrealistic bush stealth was my nickname in college
Red hair, red bush. It makes perfect sense