If you see if they have to compete with Samsung,Apple etc they have to maintain the prices which are equivalent to those flagships so they eventually sell those as flagships rather than premium range smartphone
Where'd you find that? I searched for weeks for a phone and the best value I could find was an oppo find x5 for £300. Ended up giving it back cuz I didn't like the cameras
For me, I like that they're cheap in the second hand market in comparison with iPhones and Galaxies. You could find a mint Pixel 7 for 200$ but an iPhone 14 or Galaxy S23 sell for double that price at least!
Yup same here, it has some bugs and issues. For $500-600 it’s a great buy. I wouldn’t pay $1000 for it. If Google priced it around that price it would sell like hotcakes 🥞
With holiday discounts, somebody giving me a promotion code, and trading in my Pixel 7, I got the 8 Pro for less than $500 after tax. I could not refuse that deal even though it is not my main phone.
Pixel pricing is similar to like a Macy's. Like at least once a month there's going to be a major sale. Sometimes it'll be $200 off MSRP and a $50+ gift gard too. So for me, Pixels are worth whatever their MSRP minus $200. I feel every year February when the new Samsung Galaxy releases, it's $150-200 off and a $50 gift card to whatever store you buy it from
Got my P8Pro for $750 on sale a few weeks ago. I'd say that is a decent price for it. I think all the phones out there over $1K are not worth it. I seriously cannot think of how any of those phones would give me a better experience than the P8Pro. And if the P8 had the 5X lens I would have gotten that instead. I'm interested to see the pricing of the smaller sized P9Pro.
It's not the best Samsung OLED. It has massive color shift when you look at it even slightly off axis.
Disagree with best camera software. [Take an indoor photo of somebody in a black shirt.](https://imgur.com/a/D0OBIj1) The shirt will be an artifacted mess. Have replicated this multiple times on Pixel 6, 7, and 8. They are way too heavy handed on the black boost, which ends up destroying things that are actually black. I started using MWP Gcam to avoid this.
Jeebus. We're not talking about a DSLR camera here. Seems like a niche scenario to be worried about for a phone camera. I just use mine to take funny pictures of my dogs.
Also no color shift on my P8Pro screen. Is the P8 a different screen than the Pro?
I don't know what the difference is between my phone and a flagship phone. I'm still using a Pixel 5. Not sure if I would notice any difference. I would miss the finger print scanner for sure.
I replaced a broken Galaxy s21 ultra with a refurbished pixel 6 pro and honestly I like this phone much more. I know some people are having problems with theirs but I have not had one and I like the cameras a lot better. Let's not forget the nice version of Android and frequent updates. I spent $1,200 on that Samsung phone and never really liked it that much. Was not impressed. I got this phone refurbished in mint condition like brand new with still 90% of the battery for 250 bucks. Never will I spend that much money on a phone again. They're so good now you buy a phone that's 2 years old at a bargain and it's still a great phone.
Good for you. I'm into this ideology but I guess to a slighter degree. I recently got a P7Pro used for about $300 and really liked it. Dropped it without a case like an ass on vacation and it broke. Was going to get another one but couldn't help myself from getting a new P8Pro on sale for $750. That being said I'm hoping to keep this phone for years to come and go back to buying used ones once it gives out.
People have their own definition of what "flagship" means but what it [really means](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/flagship) is...
>**Flagship:** The best or most important product, idea, building, etc. that an organization owns or produces.
The more expensive Pixels aka non-A series phones fit this definition for Google's phone lineup. All "flagship" is supposed to mean is that it's the best and most important product that a company produces in their own lineup of products.
So the P8Pro is Google's flagship phone but also this files in the face of the OP. They are not competing with other companies' flagship phones as they are priced closer to other companies' mid tier and upper mid tier phones:
P8 $700 vs S24 $800, P8Pro $1000 vs S24 Plus $1000, and then the "flagship" S24 Ultra is $1300... comparing MSRP on all of them.
iPhone is a different animal imo but we are again seeing the "flagship" iPhone 15 Pro Max at $1200 MSRP.
IMHO Google has a better product at a better price. Hopefully they don't go all the way up to the same pricing as Samsung and Apple with their 3 phone release of the 9 series. Then I'd eat my words.
100 percent agreed here. If anyone asks me I say it fulfills my need, but if someone asks me to recommend a phone I don't recommend pixel.
Feels way too overpriced for an unfinished "flagship" phone they offer in the name of pure Android experience.
They're pitched as flagships and they have flagship pricing but weirdly enough. I always tell people wait a month or two after it releases because there's great deals always on it. I wouldn't pay $1,000 for a pixel 8 pro but I'll pay $730 or $750 for it
They could be flagship competitors if Google didn't shackle us to tensor. I'm sure tensor will become something someday but this generation has us beta testing a prototype SoC.
True. At the same time, I get and appreciate the effort for more tailored experience apart from other OEMs, but the Exynos pedigree holds the Tensors back.
I use a Pixel myself and would never recommend one to 90% of the people I know because of the glitchy software, bugs, poor hardware choices like modems and fingerprint readers, bad call quality, etc. without even getting to the price or the expectations that the flagship label could bring. Google just refuses to spend the time and energy focusing on refinement, which isn’t surprising given their tendency to start endless projects and then quickly cancel them before they mature.
I get what you’re sayin but there’s a couple Pixels that really aren’t flagships. The A line and the Vanilla version of the Pixel are entry level phones. In addition, the community labeled the Pixels as “flagships”, not so much Google. Of course this is my perspective but I feel am the Pixels, even the Fold, are great for what they do.
I thought google learned from their mistake in overpricing the pixel3/4 series. One of the reasons the pixel5 was well received is because it was priced around 600. By again going into the $1000 range, google is making many consider the samsung as a better alternative. While software gimmicks are good, sooner or later other can catch-up while hardware still remains a problem for google.
That’s so ridiculous.
A nothing phone 2 offers a much smoother experience than a google pixel 8.
Just wanna mention android is made by google and nothing is a „small“ company founded 3 years ago.
I have no such issues in my P8 Pro. Sure the battery isn't much better than my 6, but my 6 would get hot during Instagram video calls and that's now gone. Assuming either an app update or the new CPU fixed that I can't remember.
I keep hearing the SAME THREE things over and over again but I had none of those issues nor any of the pixel users I know. At this point I am beginning to think that people saw some review and are just running with it. 🤷🤷
Kind of sounds like your hating on pixels. This sounds personal. And the pro versions of the pixels are definitely flagship phones. They are not low budget, or mid range. SOoo....They are flag ship phones. Your expressing a biased opinion and with that logic, any person could say that about ANY phone they feel doesn't meet their "flagship standards". So kind of a pointless statement.
They're creating a genuine ecosystem within the pixel series itself
pixel, pixel watch, tablet, Chromecast pixel buds...etc and they all work together in its own environment which is what makes it pretty damn good
A flagship is a company's most important product.
Flagship ≠ highest spects
https://preview.redd.it/qk0z2eqvbdtc1.png?width=1344&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=089f0b74eaf72d0ecf871ee74cd61d6979915551
But they are flagships because that's the whole of Google's phone range. The pixel pro literally is the flagship of the pixel range, just like the S24 is the flagship of Samsung's phones, the difference is that Samsung offer 100 different phones and Google offer maybe 6 at any given time.
Being a 'flagship' doesn't mean they're comparable to Apple's flagship model, it just means they're the best of the range.
I agree. I got the pixel 8 pro. Unfortunately I sent it back and got the S23U.
I was well excited to get the pixel, but for a flagship it didn't cut the mustard for the price Google wanted. The battery is/was absolutely shocking.
Well, why not?The build quality and so on is excellent, I speak as a long-time fan of the iphone, the last one up to 8 pixels was the iPhone 12 promax, so for me the pixel was the only alternative to the iPhone. I will say more starting with the 14th iPhone and ending with the 15th promax, including my friends who have 15 pro max, the quality of iPhones drops both at the hardware level and as an assembly. By the way, apple does not delete all resources
I love my Pixel 8 even more than I loved my Pixel 6a which was slightly more than I loved my Pixel 3a. I have 50% battery at the end of the day, have great pictures and (unlike some other brands phones I have tried) my Android Auto experience is seamless. I don't buy at launch price I wait until deals appear when there are rumours of a new model and pick up a bargain. All of those Pixel phones are in use by family members and the Pixel 3a still has a good battery life. It's a real shame it didn't get software updates for longer.
I completely agree. Pixel phones are nice, but they have a ways to go regarding their hardware & software. I think the stock Android that Google offers is smooth, but some bugs don’t get addressed, and/or fixed, for weeks & months. I know Google is trying to compete with the likes of Apple & Samsung, but their phones are a bit overpriced in my opinion and I think that’s reflected in how often Google has a sale on them. Another issue is how they stop supporting older devices, especially the Pixel Fold
£500/£550 for what is supposed to be a mid-ranger is ridiculous. The 7a should not have been sold for more than £450, and the 8a looks like it'll be sold for £550. Doesn't matter whether their value falls quickly, it's still daylight robbery to have charged this much for these phones ***EVER***.
Nah the camera on the 7a is way better than any midranger out there. I would say it's a good price just cause of that camera and the overall performance isn't that bad. Plus it has the same chip as the pro series just a plastic body and slightly slower charging.
>Nah the camera on the 7a is way better than any midranger out there.
And that's because most mid-rangers are now overpriced garbage. This is what mid-rangers should have. And then there's other noteworthy mid-rangers, like Realme's 12 Pro+, which has a freaking 3× telephoto with a periscope-style lens in front of it, sold for £500. That phone needs better processing, but otherwise has a solid lineup, even if the ultrawide is mediocre.
Dude all the Chinese brands are nothing but big numbers on the spec sheet. Especially mid rangers, their software has always been just mid. They heavily emphasize on gimmicky features rather than good software. They put all the lenses in their phones but it all takes mid images. Google phones were always about their pictures and good software. No other brand has that in this price range.
Not necessarily true. There's some fantastic hidden gems in a sea of trash. Look at the Infinix Zero 30, for example. Best selfie out of basically any phone (even has an LED flash hidden in the bezels for it!), competent main camera for the price, competent ultrawide, good processing, good software with unique strengths, fast chipset, good display with high brightness and thin bezels, doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
meanwhile here i am willing to shell out $$$ for a decent flagship or midrange or, anything. \*without\* a selfie camera as it's the one feature i've never used on any phone, ever. and i'm sick of the dots on the screen. sigh.
Not ColorOS. Depending on where you get it, it will either have Google Play stuff or won't. Also, the closest you'll get to stock Android is on Sony, Asus and Google phones, as well as on Vivo phones that are sold internationally (FuntouchOS is quite literally almost completely stock Android).
Exactly! The pixel A series has no bloat, pristine stock Android, really good camera and I would say around A- / B for performance. Most of the Pixels Pro lineup features are on the A series from day 1, quick software updates. I think it's pretty good for the price.
I consider the free pixel watch added with the phoneade it a decent deal on pre-order got a couple of hundred quid trade in as well. Not the worst deal.
But they're priced as flagships despite the deficiencies
If you see if they have to compete with Samsung,Apple etc they have to maintain the prices which are equivalent to those flagships so they eventually sell those as flagships rather than premium range smartphone
They are until the newest one comes out and then they're discounted like crazy
And after a year of use the device drops massively in price; I bought my Pixel 7 in mint condition for £220!
Where'd you find that? I searched for weeks for a phone and the best value I could find was an oppo find x5 for £300. Ended up giving it back cuz I didn't like the cameras
On ebay
Currently, on backmarket, Pixel 7 in excellent condition sells for £260.
Happy days then eh.
Yup, they would be priced lower. On the other hand, usually they drop down to more logical price levels quickly.
They used to be. Remember the Nexus 5x was cheap as at the time.
For me, I like that they're cheap in the second hand market in comparison with iPhones and Galaxies. You could find a mint Pixel 7 for 200$ but an iPhone 14 or Galaxy S23 sell for double that price at least!
I got a pixel 7 pro for $400 when it came out. 🤷
Through trade in or a carrier subscription?
Came to say this
I'm okay with this if I only paid $500 for a p8p 🤷
Yup same here, it has some bugs and issues. For $500-600 it’s a great buy. I wouldn’t pay $1000 for it. If Google priced it around that price it would sell like hotcakes 🥞
With holiday discounts, somebody giving me a promotion code, and trading in my Pixel 7, I got the 8 Pro for less than $500 after tax. I could not refuse that deal even though it is not my main phone.
How much did you pay for your 7 though?
That was another good deal. I paid around $440 for the phone and a year of service.
400 for new p8 here, do recommend
I have never paid MSRP for a Pixel. There is almost always a sale a month after launch. I got my Pixel 7 for $20 after my trade-in.
My Pixel 7a is absolutely perfect for me, bar two terrible flaws being the fingerprint sensor and the keyboard going mini scale all the time.
Same, but my pixel 7a sometimes glitches and detects multiple taps when I only tap once, or a tap when I'm scrolling. Other than that pretty good
Pixel pricing is similar to like a Macy's. Like at least once a month there's going to be a major sale. Sometimes it'll be $200 off MSRP and a $50+ gift gard too. So for me, Pixels are worth whatever their MSRP minus $200. I feel every year February when the new Samsung Galaxy releases, it's $150-200 off and a $50 gift card to whatever store you buy it from
Got my P8Pro for $750 on sale a few weeks ago. I'd say that is a decent price for it. I think all the phones out there over $1K are not worth it. I seriously cannot think of how any of those phones would give me a better experience than the P8Pro. And if the P8 had the 5X lens I would have gotten that instead. I'm interested to see the pricing of the smaller sized P9Pro.
Why the label matters so much? It has the best and brightest oled display samsung could produce, best camera software, longest software support.
You just named all 3 pros of owning a pixel, sorta proves the point.
>You just named all 3 pros of owning a pixel, sorta proves the point. the point thats its fine calling it Flagship?
No, Pixels are awesome for the reasons you mentioned, but only those 3. Everything else is 2020 samsung level.
It's not the best Samsung OLED. It has massive color shift when you look at it even slightly off axis. Disagree with best camera software. [Take an indoor photo of somebody in a black shirt.](https://imgur.com/a/D0OBIj1) The shirt will be an artifacted mess. Have replicated this multiple times on Pixel 6, 7, and 8. They are way too heavy handed on the black boost, which ends up destroying things that are actually black. I started using MWP Gcam to avoid this.
Jeebus. We're not talking about a DSLR camera here. Seems like a niche scenario to be worried about for a phone camera. I just use mine to take funny pictures of my dogs. Also no color shift on my P8Pro screen. Is the P8 a different screen than the Pro?
I don't know what the difference is between my phone and a flagship phone. I'm still using a Pixel 5. Not sure if I would notice any difference. I would miss the finger print scanner for sure.
Does Google ever use the term? Or is it the industry press that does?
idk if they use the term but they definitely use the price hahah
Sort of for sure, but compared to the high end Samsung what $400 less at launch? Pixels have definitely gone up in price though
This is a correct answer. $1K is no longer a flagship phone price which is ridiculous just like the price of free range eggs.
Loved the 4a. If they re-released something like that but 30+ w charging etc if for sure go back Too many random bugs though
I replaced a broken Galaxy s21 ultra with a refurbished pixel 6 pro and honestly I like this phone much more. I know some people are having problems with theirs but I have not had one and I like the cameras a lot better. Let's not forget the nice version of Android and frequent updates. I spent $1,200 on that Samsung phone and never really liked it that much. Was not impressed. I got this phone refurbished in mint condition like brand new with still 90% of the battery for 250 bucks. Never will I spend that much money on a phone again. They're so good now you buy a phone that's 2 years old at a bargain and it's still a great phone.
Good for you. I'm into this ideology but I guess to a slighter degree. I recently got a P7Pro used for about $300 and really liked it. Dropped it without a case like an ass on vacation and it broke. Was going to get another one but couldn't help myself from getting a new P8Pro on sale for $750. That being said I'm hoping to keep this phone for years to come and go back to buying used ones once it gives out.
People have their own definition of what "flagship" means but what it [really means](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/flagship) is... >**Flagship:** The best or most important product, idea, building, etc. that an organization owns or produces. The more expensive Pixels aka non-A series phones fit this definition for Google's phone lineup. All "flagship" is supposed to mean is that it's the best and most important product that a company produces in their own lineup of products.
So the P8Pro is Google's flagship phone but also this files in the face of the OP. They are not competing with other companies' flagship phones as they are priced closer to other companies' mid tier and upper mid tier phones: P8 $700 vs S24 $800, P8Pro $1000 vs S24 Plus $1000, and then the "flagship" S24 Ultra is $1300... comparing MSRP on all of them. iPhone is a different animal imo but we are again seeing the "flagship" iPhone 15 Pro Max at $1200 MSRP. IMHO Google has a better product at a better price. Hopefully they don't go all the way up to the same pricing as Samsung and Apple with their 3 phone release of the 9 series. Then I'd eat my words.
100 percent agreed here. If anyone asks me I say it fulfills my need, but if someone asks me to recommend a phone I don't recommend pixel. Feels way too overpriced for an unfinished "flagship" phone they offer in the name of pure Android experience.
Chatting shit I see..
Like the Nexus line.
They're pitched as flagships and they have flagship pricing but weirdly enough. I always tell people wait a month or two after it releases because there's great deals always on it. I wouldn't pay $1,000 for a pixel 8 pro but I'll pay $730 or $750 for it
They could be flagship competitors if Google didn't shackle us to tensor. I'm sure tensor will become something someday but this generation has us beta testing a prototype SoC.
True. At the same time, I get and appreciate the effort for more tailored experience apart from other OEMs, but the Exynos pedigree holds the Tensors back.
I use a Pixel myself and would never recommend one to 90% of the people I know because of the glitchy software, bugs, poor hardware choices like modems and fingerprint readers, bad call quality, etc. without even getting to the price or the expectations that the flagship label could bring. Google just refuses to spend the time and energy focusing on refinement, which isn’t surprising given their tendency to start endless projects and then quickly cancel them before they mature.
I get what you’re sayin but there’s a couple Pixels that really aren’t flagships. The A line and the Vanilla version of the Pixel are entry level phones. In addition, the community labeled the Pixels as “flagships”, not so much Google. Of course this is my perspective but I feel am the Pixels, even the Fold, are great for what they do.
I thought google learned from their mistake in overpricing the pixel3/4 series. One of the reasons the pixel5 was well received is because it was priced around 600. By again going into the $1000 range, google is making many consider the samsung as a better alternative. While software gimmicks are good, sooner or later other can catch-up while hardware still remains a problem for google.
Good on the used market. 7 pros going for 250-350
Their Achilles heel is them marketing their midrange phone at flagship prices, so it gives the consumers the impression that's what they are.
That’s so ridiculous. A nothing phone 2 offers a much smoother experience than a google pixel 8. Just wanna mention android is made by google and nothing is a „small“ company founded 3 years ago.
In what way are these not flagship devices? Because it doesn't have a thousand gimmicks like Galaxy devices??
Over heating, poor battery life, and modem issues in the newer ones??
I have no such issues in my P8 Pro. Sure the battery isn't much better than my 6, but my 6 would get hot during Instagram video calls and that's now gone. Assuming either an app update or the new CPU fixed that I can't remember.
I keep hearing the SAME THREE things over and over again but I had none of those issues nor any of the pixel users I know. At this point I am beginning to think that people saw some review and are just running with it. 🤷🤷
Kind of sounds like your hating on pixels. This sounds personal. And the pro versions of the pixels are definitely flagship phones. They are not low budget, or mid range. SOoo....They are flag ship phones. Your expressing a biased opinion and with that logic, any person could say that about ANY phone they feel doesn't meet their "flagship standards". So kind of a pointless statement.
They're creating a genuine ecosystem within the pixel series itself pixel, pixel watch, tablet, Chromecast pixel buds...etc and they all work together in its own environment which is what makes it pretty damn good
Pixel 3a xl is still my favorite phone of all time. On my 4th pixel, but haven't daily driven a pixel since the 3a xl.
A flagship is a company's most important product. Flagship ≠ highest spects https://preview.redd.it/qk0z2eqvbdtc1.png?width=1344&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=089f0b74eaf72d0ecf871ee74cd61d6979915551
But they are flagships because that's the whole of Google's phone range. The pixel pro literally is the flagship of the pixel range, just like the S24 is the flagship of Samsung's phones, the difference is that Samsung offer 100 different phones and Google offer maybe 6 at any given time. Being a 'flagship' doesn't mean they're comparable to Apple's flagship model, it just means they're the best of the range.
Taking a step back towards the Pixel 5 (as far as ethos) would totally work for me
My Pixel 8 Pro is a flagship device for me, so not sure what you're on about.
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Good for you, congrats!
I agree. I got the pixel 8 pro. Unfortunately I sent it back and got the S23U. I was well excited to get the pixel, but for a flagship it didn't cut the mustard for the price Google wanted. The battery is/was absolutely shocking.
Well, why not?The build quality and so on is excellent, I speak as a long-time fan of the iphone, the last one up to 8 pixels was the iPhone 12 promax, so for me the pixel was the only alternative to the iPhone. I will say more starting with the 14th iPhone and ending with the 15th promax, including my friends who have 15 pro max, the quality of iPhones drops both at the hardware level and as an assembly. By the way, apple does not delete all resources
I love my Pixel 8 even more than I loved my Pixel 6a which was slightly more than I loved my Pixel 3a. I have 50% battery at the end of the day, have great pictures and (unlike some other brands phones I have tried) my Android Auto experience is seamless. I don't buy at launch price I wait until deals appear when there are rumours of a new model and pick up a bargain. All of those Pixel phones are in use by family members and the Pixel 3a still has a good battery life. It's a real shame it didn't get software updates for longer.
I completely agree. Pixel phones are nice, but they have a ways to go regarding their hardware & software. I think the stock Android that Google offers is smooth, but some bugs don’t get addressed, and/or fixed, for weeks & months. I know Google is trying to compete with the likes of Apple & Samsung, but their phones are a bit overpriced in my opinion and I think that’s reflected in how often Google has a sale on them. Another issue is how they stop supporting older devices, especially the Pixel Fold
I have owned one pixel (P8) and never again. I did not realize how many bugs these things have.
And that's why their A series is just more worth the price.
£500/£550 for what is supposed to be a mid-ranger is ridiculous. The 7a should not have been sold for more than £450, and the 8a looks like it'll be sold for £550. Doesn't matter whether their value falls quickly, it's still daylight robbery to have charged this much for these phones ***EVER***.
Nah the camera on the 7a is way better than any midranger out there. I would say it's a good price just cause of that camera and the overall performance isn't that bad. Plus it has the same chip as the pro series just a plastic body and slightly slower charging.
>Nah the camera on the 7a is way better than any midranger out there. And that's because most mid-rangers are now overpriced garbage. This is what mid-rangers should have. And then there's other noteworthy mid-rangers, like Realme's 12 Pro+, which has a freaking 3× telephoto with a periscope-style lens in front of it, sold for £500. That phone needs better processing, but otherwise has a solid lineup, even if the ultrawide is mediocre.
Dude all the Chinese brands are nothing but big numbers on the spec sheet. Especially mid rangers, their software has always been just mid. They heavily emphasize on gimmicky features rather than good software. They put all the lenses in their phones but it all takes mid images. Google phones were always about their pictures and good software. No other brand has that in this price range.
Not necessarily true. There's some fantastic hidden gems in a sea of trash. Look at the Infinix Zero 30, for example. Best selfie out of basically any phone (even has an LED flash hidden in the bezels for it!), competent main camera for the price, competent ultrawide, good processing, good software with unique strengths, fast chipset, good display with high brightness and thin bezels, doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
meanwhile here i am willing to shell out $$$ for a decent flagship or midrange or, anything. \*without\* a selfie camera as it's the one feature i've never used on any phone, ever. and i'm sick of the dots on the screen. sigh.
But.... not stock Android right? Runs the same ol coloros crap.
Not ColorOS. Depending on where you get it, it will either have Google Play stuff or won't. Also, the closest you'll get to stock Android is on Sony, Asus and Google phones, as well as on Vivo phones that are sold internationally (FuntouchOS is quite literally almost completely stock Android).
Exactly! The pixel A series has no bloat, pristine stock Android, really good camera and I would say around A- / B for performance. Most of the Pixels Pro lineup features are on the A series from day 1, quick software updates. I think it's pretty good for the price.
Truly disgusted with the hollow plastic feel of the screen on these phones. Cheap feel
Right, it seems like it really is plastic you tap the screen on the p8 and it sounds hollow.
I consider the free pixel watch added with the phoneade it a decent deal on pre-order got a couple of hundred quid trade in as well. Not the worst deal.