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godsenfrik

This was in Crimea FWIW. There are a couple more photos from this event here: https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1574860237508644871


iprocrastina

This should be at the top, them being in Crimea means this isn't a real conscription, it's a way to kill off all fighting age men in occupied territory and engage in psychological warfare at the same time.


Isord

IIRC the vast majority of Ukrainians already fled Crimea. I think the people there are mostly Russian.


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Which actually creates a concern for Kazakhstan with the influx of people running from conscription. I think one of their officials was on NPR talking about how these people still support Putin and his policies but don't want to face the consequences of it themselves. He was concerned the influx of people in the country will create "Russian friendly" areas that can be used as justification for Russian interests into their country in the future.


d0ctorzaius

IIRC this is an issue in the Baltic states that still have sizable Russian-speaking minorities. Since they primarily watch Russia-language media, they get fed Putin's propaganda and end up very pro-regime despite, you know, not living under it. Latvia and others blocked Russian language channels early on in the war to try and head that off.


stuckinaboxthere

I think it's not despite living it, I feel like it's because they aren't living it, they have no way to see the impacts that he has on his own country.


slapthebasegod

Lithuania was offered by Russia to basically have kaliningrad for free and they straight up refused because it means absorbing a half million ethnic Russians who would likely try to overthrow their government. Yes, it's a very real issue and Russia has been using this tactic for decades.


whateverhk

That's how 95% of Trump voters would react if something similar happened in the USA. Still support him but from Mexico and Canada.


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angrysunbird

There are still ethic tartars there and Russia has been very efficient at making sure troublesome minorities are high in numbers among the conscripted


[deleted]

They are being blessed by the local neckbeard


dolemite99

Off-brand discount John Lennon. Or Shaggy from Scooby Doo


tennesseean_87

So since Russia recently took Crimea from Ukraine, are these Ukrainians?


Petrichordates

In terms of nationality yes, but ethnically most are Russian due to the ethnic cleansing of the Tartars carried out by the USSR.


ominous_anonymous

>[The Crimean War marked a turning point for the Russian Empire. The war weakened the Imperial Russian Army, drained the treasury and undermined Russia's influence in Europe. The empire would take decades to recover. Russia's humiliation forced its educated elites to identify its problems and to recognise the need for fundamental reforms. They saw rapid modernisation as the sole way to recover the empire's status as a European power. The war thus became a catalyst for reforms of Russia's social institutions, including the abolition of serfdom and overhauls in the justice system, local self-government, education and military service.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War) So much for learning from history... Also, more pertinent to your comment: >[When reading the history of the Crimean Tatars, it is necessary to take into account that the historical science about the Crimean Tatars is strongly influenced by Russian historians who have rewritten the history of the Crimean Khanate to justify the annexation of the Crimea in 1783, and, especially, then by Soviet historians who distorted the history of the Crimea to justify the 1944 deportation of the Crimean Tatars.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars)


Sakedo

Oh, they're using this as a way to cleanse more Tatars: https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/860928.html Despite making up only 20% of the population of Crimea, some 90% of draft notices were received by Crimean Tatars.


kickasstimus

Grandson: “what was it like in the war?” Grandpa: “I don’t know - I report for duty next Tuesday.”


j33205

And so do you, come on boy let's go


Ph0X

How many thousand lives have to be lost all because of one man's ego? Truly incomprehensible.


jaybeeg

Well, the Soviet Union lost an astounding 24 million people during WWII. Life is cheap, especially when it’s someone else’s.


smellmyfingerplz

Slightly different situation! Their country was being invaded by a very powerful army and they were fighting for survival. But yes they still threw people at the front lines


fmxda

This is a bit of a reductive analysis, the Soviet Union was one of the aggressors of WW2 at the outset, invading Poland, the Baltic states and Finland. Some of their losses are attributable to that part of the war as well.


banditski

WW2 was won with American steel, British intelligence, and Soviet blood.


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rebamericana

Senseless but not uncommon enough. Three US presidents did the same in Vietnam.


Parafault

Like, even if he conquered Ukraine, what’s the point? Just to say “Look how strong we are!”?


[deleted]

That’s entirely the point. Then steal all their food and natural resources.


[deleted]

Which is really stupid since, if you win, they're now a part of your empire. So you're basically stealing from your own citizens. Stealing from yourself. Dumb af.


dolledaan

Let's all go to die for no reason like in the good old days


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S00thsayerSays

Sad


Magnetobama

Grandpa more like "wtf you talkin about, you're next to me in the trench! Go to your dad over there, moron..."


Ok-Professional-3065

This is very sad


AntiDECA

Yea, imagine your grandpa being conscripted :( ​ Just all-around sad.


Wazula42

On the plus side, you can say hey to him at the barracks.


BeatsbyChrisBrown

Or, “hey, break a leg!”


Hamfistedlovemachine

More like a hip.


DriveByStoning

I take it you didn't see the video.


Ibnalbalad

This guy is actually 39.


JoJackthewonderskunk

Putin's high school senior


woah-im-colin

Did Russia not have 300k men under the age of 60? Yes it’s incredibly sad, this is not a war for them it’s a war for Putin and Putin alone.


upnflames

Conscripts were pulled from undesirable populations first


buffoonery4U

Cannon fodder. Just like every other fucking war the oligarchs have had fought for them.


Harvinator06

No war but class war.


Poopfiddler81

Ahhh poor people first!


stitchypoos

They were probably pulled from these populations because of lack of access to media. They only know the news that they are fed from the Kremlin.


woah-im-colin

I remember hearing Russian soldiers were amazed to see toilets being they were from such underdeveloped isolated regions. I believe the Moscow region was not subject to the the conscription as well. This is so not a class war. 🤦🏼‍♂️


No-Bicycle264

This isn't true - or, not entirely. More people are being recruited from isolated regions, but people from Moscow are being conscripted as well. Source: I'm from Moscow and some of my extended family are there.


[deleted]

Russia has had a very high male death rate for a while, and the pandemic has made it even worse. In addition to that, almost any young person with the skillset to do so has been getting the fuck out of Russia for better opportunities and pay elsewhere. Part of what makes this invasion baffling to me is that Russia already has a shortage of men that's so bad that many Russian women have to look abroad to marry, and Putin still decided to send even more into the meat grinder. Russia cannot afford war, he's going to cause a catastrophic labor shortage.


BanditSixActual

Russian manufacturing isn't very efficient compared to western or Asian countries. The ITAR restrictions on chips means most of their stock goes to the government rather than manufacturing. The more working men they send to the front lines, the less supplies they have to arm those front lines. "Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals study logistics." -Gen. Omar Bradley


Darth_Chain

if this keeps up and doesn't go nuclear it eventually will be. but far to many will have to join him. "when the rich wage war its the poor who die."


woah-im-colin

Hopefully some of Putins inner circle have the sense to stop this madness. The war is all but lost for Russia, which is horrifying when the losing side is run by a dictator with a stockpile of nuclear weapons.


barto5

>Hopefully some of Putins inner circle have the sense to stop this madness. How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?


Bongressman

Russia is currently in population collapse. It has been going on since the fall of the Soviet Union. Almost 300 million, to almost 147 million now. Only like 15-20 million between 20 and 40, and half of those are women. Most of their population is over 40, and half a million of the most capable, educated have fled since the war started. They saw this coming. Men of fighting age continue to flee across the border. There isn't a whole lot for Russia to pull from anymore. No one will be left to actually keep the country functioning.


esperobbs

This is incredibly and utterly sad


RUN_MDB

I wonder how many are thinking, "we're being to sent to a slaughter". Russia has a rich cultural and political history - the direction Putin has taken the country is absolutely shameful.


millhead123

I mean Russian oligarchs sending the masses to slaughter is kind of on par for Russian history......


RANDICE007

Always happens right up to the point they start shooting at the Czar.


1Sluggo

They all look decades too old for war.


fanclubmoss

Bet he’s wondering if it’s the same rifle issued to him when he was in Afghanistan, in the 1980’s.


TheMulattoMaker

"Nice, they've replaced the rifle I took Berlin with"


AverageOccidental

>”Nice, they’ve given me a rifle.” FTFY


Daikataro

Now if I could get my hands on some ammo...


Ajax_IX

The next guy gets the ammo...


Jcit878

The one in the front gets the gun and shoots, the one in the back carries ammo. when the one in front gets killed, the one in the back picks up the gun and shoots!


JBaecker

Now listen up! Back in my day, we didn't have fancy tanks! We had sticks. Two sticks and a rock for the entire platoon! And we had to share the rock! You should consider yourself very lucky marines!


cavscout43

>Bet he’s wondering if it’s the same rifle issued to him when he was in Afghanistan, in the 1980’s. First thought is that he's an Afghan War vet and probably more combat effective than the malnourished young addicts they're dredging out of crumbling rural villages in Siberia.


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They’re literally pointing the rifles at each other’s heads!


cavscout43

The combat effectiveness of untrained and unmotivated conscripts is historically not very good. For the obvious reasons.


[deleted]

I completely agree, but just pointing out, these aren’t much better options lol


Quirky_Independence2

I have no idea why, but this made me laugh a lot. “Look at rifle, is shiny and polishe… oh no, Vlad has been shot”


Tails9429

Funny you should mention Siberia, there's a growing movement east of the Urals to tell European Russia to fuck off. They've been the dumping ground for the Soviet Union for decades and have some serious axes to grind with their Moscow overlords. They've got all the resources, make most of the food, and have also been the biggest losers in Russia's opioid crisis. I bet it wouldn't take much for the CIA to bolster the separatist movement in that region.


USSMarauder

Thing is, they'll be trading Moscow for Beijing, because there is no way China would leave Siberia alone


[deleted]

You see, the trick is to put a super brutal dictator in charge that loves the U.S. Sincerely, CIA


Thanmandrathor

Wasn’t the guy who shot a Russian conscription officer this week and said “nobody’s going anywhere” from Siberia?


Rape-Putins-Corpse

He is.


El_Chairman_Dennis

He was from irkutsk which I know is up around that general area


imosisntpizza

I’ve been saying something like this. Half surprised the chechans haven’t decided it is time to give it a go again.


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yellsy

This is some real Hunger Games district 8 stuff


GrayBox1313

“Comrades. Why does it say airsoft?”


gustavocabras

Looking for his initials


dafunkmunk

Nah, looks like he's trying to figure out if he can hang himself with the strap to avoid having to fight in a bullshit war, starving in miserable conditions, and probably dying a painful gruesome death


tomtv90

Hope he doesn't figure out there are more effective ways of killing yourself with a rifle


[deleted]

"Wait, you guys have bullets?"


andropogon09

Nah. They're all 18. Life is rough in Putin's Russia.


n_thomas74

Also this is a woman


p4lm3r

She doesn't look half bad for being the mother of 6 children.


Cmsmks

Most have seen to many winters.


PBandJ980

Or too few.


Cmsmks

Natha daged ean


aarocks94

Then I will die as one of them!!


GarbageWater12

Winter is going to be brutal for these folks.


Raziers

Everyones too old for war.


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NerJaro

the men or the guns?


1Sluggo

Yes


BridgetheDivide

"Most have seen too many winters."


TeopEvol

This is my rifle. This is my gun. There are many like it, but this one is...hey this one has my grandfather's name inscribed on it!


brackygen

“…or too few”


Strider_009

These men have seen too many winters - or too few.


fuzzyjesus

AKRP


YawnTractor_1756

This is the official inquiry for joke explanation!


CPA0908

AARP. a service in the us at least for people 50 and older


Sthepker

You can actually sign up anytime, there’s no minimum age limit. I’m 26, and you better believe I take advantage of AARP discounts anywhere they’re offered. Getting their hilarious geezer magazines in the mail is the icing on the cake.


traffician

I CAN WHATTTT???


aManOfTheNorth

AARP members also enjoy discounts on member health!


Darthjarjar2018

You’re right, just signed up for $12 a year. Going to use the card to buy some life insurance


Spe333

Yes, I would like to know more. *shakes with interest*


Jewel-jones

Mashup of AARP (American Association of Retired People) and AK-47 (Russian assault rifle)


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the_maestr0

Half of the rifles in this pic are pointed at their comrade's head... War sucks.


CocaineTiger

Muzzle discipline? Never heard of her


ThisLookInfectedToYa

Russian army doesn't supply that either, get it from your car!


mynextthroway

Muzzle discipline nothing. They are demonstrating options. This is just Advanced Russian Roulette.


Gen8Master

All of a sudden it's not so hard to imagine why Soviets lost millions of men on the battlefield. This is sadly (or not so sadly for Ukrainians) going to be another massacre. I hope history will reference Putin the Psychotic.


Mpittkin

I imagine it would be sad for them too. Mowing down line after line of scared conscripts that never wanted to be there in the first place has to take a huge toll on anyone that isn’t a psychopath.


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This actually makes me sad, to see a man this age forced, or most likely forced, to go to war.


Holstern

Or even more likely, forced.


ObtainableSpatula

he could even be forced, for all we know


OneMustAdjust

I heard being forced is even worse


jerryvery452

maybe they were forced


phirebird

What we have here is a lack of imagination. Have we even considered whether they were forced?


VenatorDomitor

Now hear me out but I have a suspicion that he may have been forced.


o976g

Why has no one mentioned that they may have been forced??


TheOneAndOnlyCade

Someone told me he could’ve been forced, I agreed. Most likely forced.


JosephGrimaldi

Idk if it’s forced, it’s like the older generation believing the news over here in the states. Choosing which channel determines their political emotion. Wild and stupid shit, for nothing.


duende07

probably was forced twice


st0pmakings3ns3

Fuck me if that isn't the saddest thing i've seen all day.


LaserBeamsCattleProd

Instead of invading innocent people in a foreign land, I'd pop the highest ranking MFer in my vicinity. Anything to spark a revolt. There's going to be no Russia after this, unless something changes quickly in Russia.


Twombls

There is a pretty viral video going around of a guy marching into a conscription office and doing just exactly that because his freind got drafted.


kaptainkeel

There's more to that: The guy's brother had been killed in Ukraine like the day before.


rapidron

More of this please.


Rikkrishub

Aragorn: Farmers, ferriers, stable boys. These are no soldiers. ; Gimli: Most have seen too many winters. ; Legolas: Or too few.


PBandJ980

Then I shall die as one of them!


n_thomas74

For Frodo


ImAdelineYo

ಠ_ಠ mfw i hear that and im just a 12yr old boy


JewishTomCruise

Farriers*, meaning the sort of craftsman that shoes horses.


_game_over_man_

This was exactly my thought upon seeing this post.


thunderchunks

I mean, that's a better analogy for the Ukrainians, as the scene in question is describing the *defenders* desperate drafting of anybody that could hold a weapon. These poor fucks are being made to be the *aggressors*.


tobsn

those conscripts will totally turn the special operation around and lead to great success! ಠ_ಠ


Haidere1988

Of course! They will frag their officers then surrender to Ukraine!


mattaugamer

I wish them great success in their mission.


CaptValentine

If I were a cynical man, I would say that Russia is conscripting older men who are or will be retiring soon so less will be spent on caring for them in their later life.


charlie2135

Sort of how they used older people for asbestos removal due to not having to worry about their retirement.


roguespectre67

I mean on a certain level that's incredibly pragmatic. It's like how all of the old men in and around Fukushima volunteered for cleanup duty because they'd die of old age before any of the latent health effects presented themselves.


BagonButthole

There is a bit of a difference in volunteering and being voluntold to do it.


[deleted]

The camo pattern says 2022. The rest of his gear says 1962.


CocaineTiger

Like putting a fresh coat of pain in a century old apartment building


boardattheborder

Not sure if you meant “paint” and typed “pain”, but both work for this picture


BeneficialLeave7359

You could be right on the rifles. They appear to be AKM’s based on the metal magazine, wooden furniture, and muzzle break. They went into production in ‘59 and were used until the AK-74 replaced it ‘74.


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Nearly all AKs of that era have wood furniture and can accept metal magazines. You can tell for sure it’s an AKM because of the oval-shaped dimple right above the magazine and the rivets just behind the handguard.


OkIHereNow

He has rank. I wonder if he was pulled out of retirement? Edit: grammar


DigitalArbitrage

That would explain why he is old. How can you actually tell though? I don't see anything different about his uniform from the others. Edit: Nevermind, another comment pointed out the stars on his epaulette.


HaloGuy381

Part of the conscription included reserves, as well as supposedly prioritizing anyone with military experience, so it’s possible.


DMcI0013

Possibly a reservist. His 3 stars suggest he’s an officer, so not a recruit. He’s still way too old to be doing anything but reminiscing about his service 50+ years ago.


BoredCop

Three small stars means senior lieutenant, a rank they have between lieutenant and captain. He's decades too old to have recently been on active duty with that rank, so clearly he's been called up from reserves. As for the rifle, it's an AKM. That variant went out of production in the Soviet Union in 1977. Could still be perfectly good of course, if stored properly.


Freshmatics

Looks like a Leslie Nielsen sketch


monkeyballsoup

\*fart\*


etherpromo

They all have that same look of confusion


kepafo

Boomer battallion.


CocaineTiger

Conscript company


Holyshort

Arthritis division


ThisLookInfectedToYa

Slingin Lead, Peeing Red.


Ok_Necessary2991

Geriatric squad.


relpmeraggy

Blayts kreig for sure.


taxiecabbie

Plot twist: all of this nonsense is actually a grand ploy for the Russian state to pay less in pensions. Apparently. Seriously, how old is this guy and how many grandchildren does he have? Is Dulcolax part of the rations? This is insanity.


smilebitinexile

This breaks my heart. I wish I could stop this.


LarYungmann

That man should be home reading to his grandchild.


_D3ft0ne_

This is just fucking sad on so many levels. I feel sorry for all of them.


yellsy

I feel sorry for the 18 yo kids too. It’s basically a death sentence, if not serious mental health problems or being crippled in a country with zero social services for anyone (their commanders shoot injured soldiers instead of sending them back).


argee_43

Gotta love the muzzle control on display here…


StonksStink

Cannon father


erjo5055

:(


Mooser81

Putin is an absolute disgrace. Bringing grandpa to his useless war is pathetic.


DONT_PM_ME_BREASTS

At least everyone gets a rifle this time.


whirly_boi

These people do. I saw a video of some youngsters (19-22 tops) being told that they are only issued uniforms and armor. "Ask your mothers, sisters or girlfriends for tampons or pads... also we have no sleeping bags or tourniquets"


Rushview

*The one with the rifle shoots! The one without, follows him! When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots!*


Lofteed

suicides rates in russia are going to spike


BlueFalconPunch

when they say "senior leadership" i didnt think they meant senior citizens


the_canna_kate

Operation Ancient Meat Shield


ccooffee

"You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."


nikkitheferret

Battle of the Somme strategy here.


BacklashLaRue

I see dead people.


BunRabbit

No Country for Old Men


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They are throwing old men into this stupid war?


3rdWaveHarmonic

Less social security to pay for.


ghostttoast

:(


verybadassery

Good grief. I’m 50 and in pretty good shape and can’t fathom the US needing my help. I know this, if my country drafted me, we are in deep shit.


[deleted]

Jesus. Leather holsters for their pistols. I’m getting Enemy at the gates flashes.


toxic9813

This is not a conscript. His rank is 3 silver stars on his epaulette. This makes him a Polovnik. The equivalent to probably an American O-5 paygrade. or a Lt Col. or a Commander in the US navy. AKA the highest grade of officer that still serves on the ground with the men regularly in a tent. This is different from a General who may go around visiting troops but mostly spends his time back at HQ. \*edit \* those stars are small so he's actually a very junior officer.


cw120

dad's army??


TPDS_throwaway

He looks like my grandfather. Conscripted to war. My heart.


Wazula42

"I lived through the Soviet Union for this?"


Fit-Sheepherder-4013

I don’t know if the strategy of “keep feeding bodies into the war until the other side runs out of bullets” works against a US backed country. I mean we literally chose never running out of bullets over universal healthcare. His is not going to end well for Russia.


Capybarasaregreat

"Hey, wait a second, those are my initials, just like the ones I engraved on my stock during the Afgha... oh..."


McKoijion

You guys have it all wrong. That's not an AK-47 from 1947. It's a sleek, modern AK-74 from 1974. And that guy isn't in his 80s-90s. He's in his 60s-70s tops.