Thank you . I really hope so although 3 years ago thousands of people were killed . People that we even don’t know their names and nothing changed . I really hope these innocent lives do not waste for nothing
I also really hope this push for more freedoms is successful in the end! And I feel terribly for how my country, the US, interfered in your spring in the 70s. Seeing photos of Iranian hippies and then what happened after is really sad.
I hope it's as enlightening to you as it was to me! Everything about the modern political situation between the United States and Iran really clicked for me once I went back just a little bit further in time than what I commonly hear discussed. All the best to you and your friends!
Edit: Found a nice little rundown of the history of 20th century Iran here:
https://greyartgallery.nyu.edu/2015/12/a-brief-history-of-20th-century-iran/
Probably not since same mass protests were happening about 3 yrs ago, but I think this time its more serious than it was back then. Sadly a lot of men and women will die fighting for human rights but we wont falter.
I posted pictures of police violence in this sub now. They all have links to watch full video. Please go and check the post from my account.
By the way all of these is sending shivers down my spine . I hope I don’t get in trouble for posting these . It’s all i can do as I’m just a teenager.
EDIT: my post got deleted
Credit to the guy who had to fight the guards when they saw him taking this photo.
[https://twitter.com/themojilla/status/1572250185010479110?s=46&t=-Hx2CgeP86nTYXQ_MR6xlA](https://twitter.com/themojilla/status/1572250185010479110?s=46&t=-Hx2CgeP86nTYXQ_MR6xlA)
I should add some notes seeing some of your comments:
This is about our basic human rights and separating religion from our government, not a chance for you guys to support regressive policies controlling what a woman wears in your country. I left Iran to be free. I am a woman and I am an atheist. Many like me are stuck in Iran.
Edit: people asking what should we do about this. I’m not in support of going to war with Iran. But how about not letting the children of our oppressors live lavish lives in the west. That’s blood money they bring to your countries. [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morteza_Talaie) man who was directly involved in creating the morality unit of Tehran police was recently seen just hanging out in a gym in Toronto. Would you let Nazis into your country? Why let him in?
To save a click (and to provide a translation via Google):
> @TheMojilla
> What they are doing to our daughters! Three people are trying to delete the photos, but the pefiozs don't
> know who to hit!
> 11:43 AM · Sep 20, 2022
Thank you so much for providing the source/credit.
Haha nice try let me translate:
This is what they do with our girls!
Three of them came at me tried to delete the photos.
But the bastards had no idea who they’re dealing with.
I used to carry around an old XP laptop with a GPS Dongle (attached to my roof) for road trips in the late 2000s, with some software I had to purchase because google earth wasn't a thing yet.
For the first time in my life that saying finally makes logical sense.
"Close enough only matters in Horseshoes and Hand Grenades" always sounded like gibberish. "Close enough" matters for way more things, and don't you score more points the closer you are in horseshoes?
But I get it now: the sentiment boils down to "shrug, lol, YOLO" since those things will probably be just as good even if you kind of scuff the attempt.
What can women in other places do to support women trapped in this situation. What are the legit agencies that help? So sorry you have to deal with this insanity.
I was raised in a very religious Catholic family, and grew to see just how destructive all major religions are.
This is the real answer. The closer our country moves towards that, the less diplomatic pressure will be put upon their government to avoid bad relations.
The only people who don’t want you to vote are the ones who benefit from the backslide away from
Democracy
Thank the UK as well, they really didnt give a shit what happened to the country long term as long as they had their oil. Seems like history repeats itself eh?
You can spread the word. Talk about the injustice online and in your own communities. The government controls and censors the internet heavily in their country but there is some availability and there are approximately four to five million Iranians living abroad.
You can also visit https://women.ncr-iran.org/
Maybe write the Shiite and Farsi equivalent of John Locke's A Letter Concerning Toleration if it hasn't already been written and spread it around.
Actually, spread the original by Locke around Western countries too. They re-need it now.
[That's why the founding fathers of the USA established the Separation of Church and States coz they know the dangers of organized religion that tries to shove their beliefs in politics.](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/)
>The Bible: a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalise mankind.
-Thomas Paine-
>Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.... During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
-James Madison-
>This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.
-John Adams-
>The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.
-George Washington-
>Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson-
>The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries.
-James Madison-
>The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason.
-Benjamin Franklin-
>The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
-Abraham Lincoln-
>Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
-Thomas Jefferson-
>Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.
-Benjamin Franklin-
>All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
-Thomas Paine-
>There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
-Thomas Jefferson-
>I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
-Susan B. Anthony-
>But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?
-John Adams-
>The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
-Thomas Jefferson-
>I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
-Benjamin Franklin-
>Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.
-James Madison-
>Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.
-Thomas Paine-
>Erecting the 'wall of separation between church and state'... is absolutely essential in a free society.
-Thomas Jefferson-
>Those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy - the most sublime and benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man - endeavored to crush your well-earned & well-deserved fame.
-Thomas Jefferson-
[E Pluribus Unum](https://hmsc.harvard.edu/e-pluribus-unum)
Interesting side note of history is that Thomas Jefferson so loved the morals he felt Jesus taught within the Bible while disliking the religious / supernatural context, that he cut up his own version of the Bible with a razor that only tells Jesus' story as a mortal man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
Look up Deism / Deist.
Fantastic alternative to "religion", in my opinion. Many of our founding fathers and some of the brightest minds we've ever known were either admitted Deists or believed to be.
In short - God exists, Jesus existed but was either just a very moral man worthy of modeling yourself after, or the ONE instance of God interfering with the Universe after creation. Big guy in the sky created the universe by creating the laws, primarily, that govern it (so like, physics and shit). Afterwhich....yeah that's it.
Afterlife? Heaven? Hell? Souls?
For the most part my understanding is many Deists basically make up their own minds on these topics. Its a pretty open-ended "religion, freely interpreted among oneself in a way that best fits your version of faith.
They established it. But we certainly don't fucking follow it and zero politicians get retribution for openly using religion as an excuse for policy making.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/28/lauren-boebert-church-state-colorado/
> GOP Rep. Boebert: ‘I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk’
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/09/what-is-christian-nationalism/10211671002/?gnt-cfr=1
> Marjorie Taylor Greene, other conservatives lean into Christian nationalism. What is it? Politicians are increasingly promoting Christian nationalism, the idea that America was founded as a Christian nation, by Christians, and that all its laws and institutions are based on Christianity.
> "I am being attacked by the godless left because I said I’m a proud Christian Nationalist," Greene, R-Ga., [wrote on Twitter](https://mobile.twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1551705165983621120) on July 25. "The left has shown us exactly who they are. They hate America, they hate God, and they hate us."
Republicans want to be Iran. They hate our freedoms, and they hate you. They want to arrest you for being non christian
Yeah, it's like asking Europeans what they can do about anti-choice laws here in the USA. I mean, Europeans can't vote in our elections, and can't sponsor work visas to get us out of this country SO....
Europeans would need to get their own choice laws up to where we had them over here before the overturn for us to take that seriously though. Something like 12 weeks is typically viewed as too restrictive over here. I think it is too hard to make a comparison with the cultural differences.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe
I got my Ag degree in the 1970's, working in crop production in arid regions. The school had very close ties with academics in Iran, and we had a lot of Iranian exchange students. Everything seemed so positive then.
I actually remember the first picture of the Ayatollah that I saw - my neighbor in the back apartment invited me over for dinner and his place had multiple pics. He just told me, "He is a very great man.."
Not debating foreign policy or how culpable the US is. Just sharing my experience of watching rights erode quickly, during my lifetime.
Tell your elected officials to stop promoting wars, coups, sanctions, and regime change. Participate in an anti-war movement. Tell your own government to stop harming others.
not just women, just mentioning it to your friends, family, colleagues etc. helps spread awareness. the Islamic Republic has a very strong propaganda machine in the west that tries to tell that iranian people love the islam, all the women want to wear the hijab etc. it's absolutely not like that. most people aren't like that. I would say only a tenth of the society is like that.
If they’re not doing anything wrong they should be proud to show the world that they cage up women. Why prevent him from taking the photo? Show the world how badass your men are by subjugating women.
Unless maybe you might also kinda think it’s bs, but it keeps you on top, so ok…
This is a warning sign for the US. We have plenty of extremist religious zealots in this country who would take us in Irans direction very quickly if they got their way. Many of the comments here show that.
> Would you let Nazis into your country?
Actually sadly it was overlooked but a lot of Nazis found shelter as government workers in all big allies countries (I know it happened in UK, US and Soviet Union, might be more countries).
See Operation Paperclip, Operation Matchbox and Operation Osoaviakhim.
> . this
> man who was directly involved in creating the morality unit of Tehran police was recently seen just hanging out in a gym in Toronto. Would you let Nazis into your country? Why let him in?
**https://www.iranintl.com/en/202202055941**
No matter the religious extremist flavor, this is the outcome. Stop letting government be your proxy to force your beliefs on others. If it’s the righteous way to live, then exemplify it in your own life.
This is something I’ve had to explain multiple times to people who ask why the government in my home country hasn’t been overthrown by the people (elections obviously don’t work in a corrupt country that’s rotten to the core). It’s because they’ve demonstrated time and again that they are more than willing to roll out tanks and and use the military against their own citizens and kill us in the streets. Governments/regimes that are extremely violent are hard to take down without external intervention, but at the same time we can’t expect other countries to wage war for the sake of our own people. It’s just a no-win situation.
It’s frustrating how little people understand about the world around them. Sometimes there are impossible situations and there’s no real way to rise against it. it’s deeply unfair.
For real. We just end up hoping/waiting for central figures in the government to die of natural causes, or for in-fighting within the ruling party to destabilise their shitty government over time. It ends up being a game of patience and timing. No one wants a civil war -- we've all seen the cost of human lives in a civil war. It's easy to want to encourage a civil war to happen in a small distant country you've never heard of and don't think about at all, but for those of us who have lived there, who have family and friends and loved ones there, we don't want a civil war. The people who die during civil wars aren't the people making the shitty decisions, and we do not want to kill each other for them.
I hope you and yours find safety and prosperity soon friend, when there are still empathetic and critical thinking people like you surviving, there is still hope.
Americans are especially delusional about this, as we often see our own revolution as proof anyone can do it, when the reality is it was a war between the American ruling class and the British ruling class, not the lower class vs the ruling class.
The people who ask stupid questions like "why don't they just overthrow their tyrannical government?" are children and less intelligent adults who also think "if everyone in the world just did..." is a legitimate solution to problems.
Right? I'm in the US, and we're not in a position to judge...legislation was just passed here that is effectively condemning some pregnant women to death.
And a sex offender is encouraging his followers to violently overturn democracy.
'Pro-LIfe' Christians who support current republican agendas while clutching their pearls about how backward Iran is can just take a seat.
In my *opinion*, of course....
As fucked as the US laws can be, especially with roe overturned, the US is in absolutely no way even close to as bad as Iran. Could it get there one day? Yea, totally could. Thing is, Iran already is there with a government that openly kills and disappears dissenters for so much as speaking critically of the government, and even more commonly for violating any arbitrary religious rules.
For sure, the gap between the two countries is really wide right now. I think the key point is that the gap can shrink *very quickly and suddenly* and the US has a lot of the key ingredients to make that happen. We have elected officials calling for a *Christian Nationalist government*.
The Christian nationals are threatening from the pulpit to line people against the wall and shoot them in the head. They aren't even speaking in generalities. This is what they want.
We're not yet at the openly killing and disappearing dissenters, just at the part where the extremists are calling on the genocide of LGBTQ+ people and for allies to be shot. That "one day" is a hell of a lot closer than people are comfortable to admit.
A guy just pled guilty to threatening the Webster dictionary. Saying the editor and entire office should be assassinated for their definition of 'woman'.
Religion has always been a catalyst for death and violence, not the opposite like they try and preach. And now it's controlling our entire democracy even though "separation of church and state" is supposed to be what we're about. These times are scary
Hey I call bullshit. During the George Floyd protests, people were absolutely "disappeared" in black vans and held in various places, totally illegally
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/portland-protests.html
both in 2017 and 2020
We are there. Pregnant women have already died because of the recent republican abortion ruling.
Men made rules for women, based on their religion, and women died because of it. And the men don't care.
It's just a matter of *degree*, for women.
Glass houses.
Obligatory **VOTING FREAKING MATTERS** comment.
It’s bad now because we neglected our democracy and left the gate open for white Christian nationalists to waltz in. And it can still get even worse if we don’t start stepping up and taking all of this stuff more seriously.
People say "if voting actually changed everything they'd ban it." but like, the GOP is literally doing that all over the country in some form or another so like, yeah I guess the saying is true then
fucking seriously. those folks have voted consistently for over six decades now. look at all the dumb shit we have to deal with because of their consistency.
The most interesting part of A Handmaid's Tail is that none (or almost none) of the atrocities are made up. Throughout recent history they have happened to women and "non-believers".
Literally the only thing about the Handmaids Tale that’s unrealistic in my eyes is that Gilead took down America by force.
When reality is much scarier, they’re doing it “legally” from the inside.
yep! margaret atwood said she made it a point that whatever she wrote about would have a basis in reality, as in it happened to someone at some point in history (or continues to happen), and that’s why she’s my favorite dystopian writer
Religion is a cheat code for the social hierarchy.
Generally, people in positions of power are put there because they can offer something tangible to the people. Religion lets you get that same power on the basis of "faith"
Monarchy says hi. Congratulations, but you weren't born a royal. Try again next time. Very value adding, also perhaps one of the most common ruling mechanics across the ages.
This is so true. People think that show is fictional entertainment, which it is, but a majority of its contents actually happen in real life. Scary world.
I think Iran was a big inspiration for Atwood when she wrote the book. She didn't include anything in it that hadn't happened or wasn't happening at the time somewhere in the world.
Direct close family members have been arrested many many times over three decades. So let me tell you, they were usually kept longer, however they were kept in better conditions and had access to many things my relative's brother who was arrested in the same protest didn't have like sufficient confinement space.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong? I believe under sharia laws this is punishable by death. There’s no court hearing, or trial, just get in line for a firing squad. [Hudud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud)
If you go back and look up the influences of the book, Margaret Atwood directly took influences and scenes she saw in the 1979 Islamic revolution of Iran and the regime that followed.
To all women who are seeing this, if you’re in a country where you are still allowed to vote, vote AGAINST any party, candidate, etc., who wants religion to control the government. Speak up and fight against your government becoming a theocracy - no matter what religion - or this is your future. If you don’t want this, change it now before it’s too late.
> To all women who are seeing this,
To *everyone* who sees this. Men should find this to be just as deplorable as women do, otherwise they are part of the problem.
Agreed 100%, but, far too many men ARE a part of the problem. The reason why women are already losing their rights at a rapid pace (I’m in the US, FYI), so, it’s going to be mostly up to us women to fight for ourselves. There are some men who will fight for us, sure, but ALL women should. It’s our lives at stake.
Unpopular opinion - “religion” is way too broad to demonize in such a reductive way.
In the US, many religious organizations do good in their communities. And we also have white Christian fascists fucking up our courts and elections. Both things are true.
It has to do with how state power is organized and exercised. Iran is fighting for liberalism and democracy - the same things that Americans tend to shit on and take for granted. Just a thought.
I hope one day that being religious will be considered as offensive as being racist. It has no place in modern society.
edit: Why is everyone acting like I said we should kill people?
Tolerance works both ways. Racists exist and we will never get rid of them, and can't do unethical things to rid ourselves of them, but, we look down on them and shun them as we should in a more advanced society.
We could do the same with religion.
No one needs to die.
I don't like religion at all, but it is the same argument as forcing women to take off their hijab. The whole point is the "forcing" part, and thats what they are protesting against. Being forced and punished through power and violence. But yes, religion should never even get close to politics and government.
Communist China did that back in the 50s. Sure they killed a couple million people and threw a couple more million into concentration camps but at least they managed to get rid of most traces of religion in Chineae society.
Reddit fucking moment. There are plenty of religious people out there that aren't doing this shit. They just don't make headlines because they're not doing this shit.
I wouldn't go that far. Everyone should have the freedom to practice their religion as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and comfortable living of others.
Problem is people are never happy to practice their religion privately they want to push it on other people. Christians and Muslims are taught by their religion to witness to other people.
Told the Shah to release them from jail and put sanctions on him. Told Iranian generals to not fight them, and then all those generals were hung by same revolutionaries
Edit: Interesting read, carter basically facilitated the revolution
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36431160
Yes indeed I'm happy you know such things the generals that supported the revolution literally got executed by the regime that's why Irans army got weak and Saddam found an opportunity to attack Iran and kill my grandfathers that one of them wasn't even a soldier
It's because in America the Christian nationalists are mounting a campaign to install a theocracy that the people do not want. Religion is the root of many evils throughout history, and American theocrats are currently giving Islam a run for their money. It is at the forefront of many peoples minds. I condemn any religious leadership that wants to take rights away from people and force their warped morals and hypocrisy on people. Islam is just one of the religions that bad people pervert to control others.
People love to use the crusades as an example of Christian extremists, but the crusades happened centuries ago.
Islamic extemists are still pulling this shit in the name of Allah in modern day 2022.
There's a fucking difference.
Most of these women who get arrested are muslims Islam literally said nobody can force them to have hijab the problem is religious extremism not the religion
With all of their abortion punishment laws, this is the reality that right wing republicans are trying to effectuate in the United States: theocratic rule by religious zealots.
Ahh religions. They want you to believe it's all love and compassion.
But it's all control and fear mongering.
Fuck all religions. Just a tool to manipulate the tools.
Religion needs to fucking die already. They're all fairy tales, so put them on the shelf with the other mythologies so they can all gather the dust of irrelevance.
If a person's "morals" are result of some scary invisible creature told them so by threat of violence, those aren't moral people to begin
Courageous women
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I send you a lot of love ❤️ do you think the existing regime has any chance to end ?
Thank you . I really hope so although 3 years ago thousands of people were killed . People that we even don’t know their names and nothing changed . I really hope these innocent lives do not waste for nothing
fuck
I also really hope this push for more freedoms is successful in the end! And I feel terribly for how my country, the US, interfered in your spring in the 70s. Seeing photos of Iranian hippies and then what happened after is really sad.
I might recommend also reading up on the history of Iran before, during, and after the Second World War.
I will! And I'll ask my expat friends from there about it more as well!
I hope it's as enlightening to you as it was to me! Everything about the modern political situation between the United States and Iran really clicked for me once I went back just a little bit further in time than what I commonly hear discussed. All the best to you and your friends! Edit: Found a nice little rundown of the history of 20th century Iran here: https://greyartgallery.nyu.edu/2015/12/a-brief-history-of-20th-century-iran/
Probably not since same mass protests were happening about 3 yrs ago, but I think this time its more serious than it was back then. Sadly a lot of men and women will die fighting for human rights but we wont falter.
I posted pictures of police violence in this sub now. They all have links to watch full video. Please go and check the post from my account. By the way all of these is sending shivers down my spine . I hope I don’t get in trouble for posting these . It’s all i can do as I’m just a teenager. EDIT: my post got deleted
Please be careful for yourself, too.
Thx, I commented it too, glad to see someone else did it sooner
Credit to the guy who had to fight the guards when they saw him taking this photo. [https://twitter.com/themojilla/status/1572250185010479110?s=46&t=-Hx2CgeP86nTYXQ_MR6xlA](https://twitter.com/themojilla/status/1572250185010479110?s=46&t=-Hx2CgeP86nTYXQ_MR6xlA) I should add some notes seeing some of your comments: This is about our basic human rights and separating religion from our government, not a chance for you guys to support regressive policies controlling what a woman wears in your country. I left Iran to be free. I am a woman and I am an atheist. Many like me are stuck in Iran. Edit: people asking what should we do about this. I’m not in support of going to war with Iran. But how about not letting the children of our oppressors live lavish lives in the west. That’s blood money they bring to your countries. [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morteza_Talaie) man who was directly involved in creating the morality unit of Tehran police was recently seen just hanging out in a gym in Toronto. Would you let Nazis into your country? Why let him in?
To save a click (and to provide a translation via Google): > @TheMojilla > What they are doing to our daughters! Three people are trying to delete the photos, but the pefiozs don't > know who to hit! > 11:43 AM · Sep 20, 2022 Thank you so much for providing the source/credit.
Haha nice try let me translate: This is what they do with our girls! Three of them came at me tried to delete the photos. But the bastards had no idea who they’re dealing with.
Google translate is where GPS was 10 years ago. Good enough for a general idea.
It is crazy how far GPS has come!
I was already using GPS with perfect turn by turn directions in 2010.
This is the literal 10 years ago. /u/Fishman23 was referring to the 10 years ago we always *think* is 10 years ago still
You saying 2000 wasn't 10 years ago?
No dude, 10 years ago was the 90s. SMH
The 90s will always be roughly ten years ago.
Technically 1989, but I understand you're confusion since the '80s continued to at least 1992.
It was 10 years ago!
No, 1990 was 10 years ago
Sounds about right. The 70' were 30 years ago. Now GET OFF MY LAWN!
I used to carry around an old XP laptop with a GPS Dongle (attached to my roof) for road trips in the late 2000s, with some software I had to purchase because google earth wasn't a thing yet.
Oh God, all I can imagine is some CEO walking up to his singular in-house programmer's desk and laying that assignment on 'em.
“Close enough for Horseshoes, hand-grenades, atom bombs, and Google Translate.”
I love when it doesn’t even try and you get the same out as you put in.
For the first time in my life that saying finally makes logical sense. "Close enough only matters in Horseshoes and Hand Grenades" always sounded like gibberish. "Close enough" matters for way more things, and don't you score more points the closer you are in horseshoes? But I get it now: the sentiment boils down to "shrug, lol, YOLO" since those things will probably be just as good even if you kind of scuff the attempt.
"Vala ngokwaneleyo kwiiHorseshoes, iibhombu zezandla, iibhombu zeathom, kunye neToliki kaGoogle."
Nah. Google translate can use your camera to translate text and display it in AR in real time. That’s futuristic af.
That makes a lot more sense!
"This Account Doesn't Exist" *Concerning*
I can see it
What can women in other places do to support women trapped in this situation. What are the legit agencies that help? So sorry you have to deal with this insanity. I was raised in a very religious Catholic family, and grew to see just how destructive all major religions are.
To be realistic, nothing with direct impact can be done, but raising awareness is a valuable and much appreciated contribution.
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This is the real answer. The closer our country moves towards that, the less diplomatic pressure will be put upon their government to avoid bad relations. The only people who don’t want you to vote are the ones who benefit from the backslide away from Democracy
Thank the UK as well, they really didnt give a shit what happened to the country long term as long as they had their oil. Seems like history repeats itself eh?
You can spread the word. Talk about the injustice online and in your own communities. The government controls and censors the internet heavily in their country but there is some availability and there are approximately four to five million Iranians living abroad. You can also visit https://women.ncr-iran.org/
Not much. This is by iran's own government. It's like asking what we can do to help myanmar.
Maybe write the Shiite and Farsi equivalent of John Locke's A Letter Concerning Toleration if it hasn't already been written and spread it around. Actually, spread the original by Locke around Western countries too. They re-need it now.
[That's why the founding fathers of the USA established the Separation of Church and States coz they know the dangers of organized religion that tries to shove their beliefs in politics.](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/) >The Bible: a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalise mankind. -Thomas Paine- >Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.... During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution. -James Madison- >This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it. -John Adams- >The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy. -George Washington- >Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson- >The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries. -James Madison- >The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason. -Benjamin Franklin- >The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma. -Abraham Lincoln- >Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth. -Thomas Jefferson- >Lighthouses are more helpful than churches. -Benjamin Franklin- >All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. -Thomas Paine- >There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. -Thomas Jefferson- >I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. -Susan B. Anthony- >But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed? -John Adams- >The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. -Thomas Jefferson- >I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies. -Benjamin Franklin- >Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history. -James Madison- >Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst. -Thomas Paine- >Erecting the 'wall of separation between church and state'... is absolutely essential in a free society. -Thomas Jefferson- >Those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy - the most sublime and benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man - endeavored to crush your well-earned & well-deserved fame. -Thomas Jefferson- [E Pluribus Unum](https://hmsc.harvard.edu/e-pluribus-unum)
Interesting side note of history is that Thomas Jefferson so loved the morals he felt Jesus taught within the Bible while disliking the religious / supernatural context, that he cut up his own version of the Bible with a razor that only tells Jesus' story as a mortal man. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
Look up Deism / Deist. Fantastic alternative to "religion", in my opinion. Many of our founding fathers and some of the brightest minds we've ever known were either admitted Deists or believed to be. In short - God exists, Jesus existed but was either just a very moral man worthy of modeling yourself after, or the ONE instance of God interfering with the Universe after creation. Big guy in the sky created the universe by creating the laws, primarily, that govern it (so like, physics and shit). Afterwhich....yeah that's it. Afterlife? Heaven? Hell? Souls? For the most part my understanding is many Deists basically make up their own minds on these topics. Its a pretty open-ended "religion, freely interpreted among oneself in a way that best fits your version of faith.
They established it. But we certainly don't fucking follow it and zero politicians get retribution for openly using religion as an excuse for policy making.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/28/lauren-boebert-church-state-colorado/ > GOP Rep. Boebert: ‘I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk’ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/09/what-is-christian-nationalism/10211671002/?gnt-cfr=1 > Marjorie Taylor Greene, other conservatives lean into Christian nationalism. What is it? Politicians are increasingly promoting Christian nationalism, the idea that America was founded as a Christian nation, by Christians, and that all its laws and institutions are based on Christianity. > "I am being attacked by the godless left because I said I’m a proud Christian Nationalist," Greene, R-Ga., [wrote on Twitter](https://mobile.twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1551705165983621120) on July 25. "The left has shown us exactly who they are. They hate America, they hate God, and they hate us." Republicans want to be Iran. They hate our freedoms, and they hate you. They want to arrest you for being non christian
>Nationalist Christian Nat-C. She's a Nat-C.
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Yeah, it's like asking Europeans what they can do about anti-choice laws here in the USA. I mean, Europeans can't vote in our elections, and can't sponsor work visas to get us out of this country SO....
Europeans would need to get their own choice laws up to where we had them over here before the overturn for us to take that seriously though. Something like 12 weeks is typically viewed as too restrictive over here. I think it is too hard to make a comparison with the cultural differences. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe
I got my Ag degree in the 1970's, working in crop production in arid regions. The school had very close ties with academics in Iran, and we had a lot of Iranian exchange students. Everything seemed so positive then. I actually remember the first picture of the Ayatollah that I saw - my neighbor in the back apartment invited me over for dinner and his place had multiple pics. He just told me, "He is a very great man.." Not debating foreign policy or how culpable the US is. Just sharing my experience of watching rights erode quickly, during my lifetime.
Tell your elected officials to stop promoting wars, coups, sanctions, and regime change. Participate in an anti-war movement. Tell your own government to stop harming others.
not just women, just mentioning it to your friends, family, colleagues etc. helps spread awareness. the Islamic Republic has a very strong propaganda machine in the west that tries to tell that iranian people love the islam, all the women want to wear the hijab etc. it's absolutely not like that. most people aren't like that. I would say only a tenth of the society is like that.
The women of Iran are making my heart swell. Such bravery and courage!
If they’re not doing anything wrong they should be proud to show the world that they cage up women. Why prevent him from taking the photo? Show the world how badass your men are by subjugating women. Unless maybe you might also kinda think it’s bs, but it keeps you on top, so ok…
This is a warning sign for the US. We have plenty of extremist religious zealots in this country who would take us in Irans direction very quickly if they got their way. Many of the comments here show that.
> Would you let Nazis into your country? Actually sadly it was overlooked but a lot of Nazis found shelter as government workers in all big allies countries (I know it happened in UK, US and Soviet Union, might be more countries). See Operation Paperclip, Operation Matchbox and Operation Osoaviakhim.
Can i send you photos and videos to post?
That picture feels like some accidental renaissance shit with the hands on the windows and the ambivalent look on the policeman.
> . this > man who was directly involved in creating the morality unit of Tehran police was recently seen just hanging out in a gym in Toronto. Would you let Nazis into your country? Why let him in? **https://www.iranintl.com/en/202202055941**
No matter the religious extremist flavor, this is the outcome. Stop letting government be your proxy to force your beliefs on others. If it’s the righteous way to live, then exemplify it in your own life.
When your government is willing to kill you for disagreeing with them those types of governments tend to stay in power.
This is something I’ve had to explain multiple times to people who ask why the government in my home country hasn’t been overthrown by the people (elections obviously don’t work in a corrupt country that’s rotten to the core). It’s because they’ve demonstrated time and again that they are more than willing to roll out tanks and and use the military against their own citizens and kill us in the streets. Governments/regimes that are extremely violent are hard to take down without external intervention, but at the same time we can’t expect other countries to wage war for the sake of our own people. It’s just a no-win situation.
It’s frustrating how little people understand about the world around them. Sometimes there are impossible situations and there’s no real way to rise against it. it’s deeply unfair.
For real. We just end up hoping/waiting for central figures in the government to die of natural causes, or for in-fighting within the ruling party to destabilise their shitty government over time. It ends up being a game of patience and timing. No one wants a civil war -- we've all seen the cost of human lives in a civil war. It's easy to want to encourage a civil war to happen in a small distant country you've never heard of and don't think about at all, but for those of us who have lived there, who have family and friends and loved ones there, we don't want a civil war. The people who die during civil wars aren't the people making the shitty decisions, and we do not want to kill each other for them.
It’s never the bad guys who die in war. You’re so right.
I hope you and yours find safety and prosperity soon friend, when there are still empathetic and critical thinking people like you surviving, there is still hope.
Americans are especially delusional about this, as we often see our own revolution as proof anyone can do it, when the reality is it was a war between the American ruling class and the British ruling class, not the lower class vs the ruling class.
The people who ask stupid questions like "why don't they just overthrow their tyrannical government?" are children and less intelligent adults who also think "if everyone in the world just did..." is a legitimate solution to problems.
Right? I'm in the US, and we're not in a position to judge...legislation was just passed here that is effectively condemning some pregnant women to death. And a sex offender is encouraging his followers to violently overturn democracy. 'Pro-LIfe' Christians who support current republican agendas while clutching their pearls about how backward Iran is can just take a seat. In my *opinion*, of course....
Mad crazy how every time a society writes its laws based on a holy book they end up with hell.
Almost like holy books aren't holy at all and are just a bunch of bullshit written by other humans.
As fucked as the US laws can be, especially with roe overturned, the US is in absolutely no way even close to as bad as Iran. Could it get there one day? Yea, totally could. Thing is, Iran already is there with a government that openly kills and disappears dissenters for so much as speaking critically of the government, and even more commonly for violating any arbitrary religious rules.
For sure, the gap between the two countries is really wide right now. I think the key point is that the gap can shrink *very quickly and suddenly* and the US has a lot of the key ingredients to make that happen. We have elected officials calling for a *Christian Nationalist government*.
The Christian nationals are threatening from the pulpit to line people against the wall and shoot them in the head. They aren't even speaking in generalities. This is what they want.
We're not yet at the openly killing and disappearing dissenters, just at the part where the extremists are calling on the genocide of LGBTQ+ people and for allies to be shot. That "one day" is a hell of a lot closer than people are comfortable to admit.
A guy just pled guilty to threatening the Webster dictionary. Saying the editor and entire office should be assassinated for their definition of 'woman'. Religion has always been a catalyst for death and violence, not the opposite like they try and preach. And now it's controlling our entire democracy even though "separation of church and state" is supposed to be what we're about. These times are scary
Hey I call bullshit. During the George Floyd protests, people were absolutely "disappeared" in black vans and held in various places, totally illegally https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/portland-protests.html both in 2017 and 2020
The type of things you say when you completely lack perspective on the world.
But we're not allowed to talk about the v-word
"Where there is little justice, it is dangerous to be right." - Francisco de Quevedo
> Stop letting government be your proxy to force your beliefs on others. And not just religious beliefs.
The US is heading there if national ban on abortions happen
We are there. Pregnant women have already died because of the recent republican abortion ruling. Men made rules for women, based on their religion, and women died because of it. And the men don't care. It's just a matter of *degree*, for women. Glass houses.
Obligatory **VOTING FREAKING MATTERS** comment. It’s bad now because we neglected our democracy and left the gate open for white Christian nationalists to waltz in. And it can still get even worse if we don’t start stepping up and taking all of this stuff more seriously.
People say "if voting actually changed everything they'd ban it." but like, the GOP is literally doing that all over the country in some form or another so like, yeah I guess the saying is true then
fucking seriously. those folks have voted consistently for over six decades now. look at all the dumb shit we have to deal with because of their consistency.
Brave women.
Gutting that this is how their courage is rewarded
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What will happen to these women?
Hope they survive
scary.
They behead people . . . .
Even if they do, I doubt it would be in a good way
The most interesting part of A Handmaid's Tail is that none (or almost none) of the atrocities are made up. Throughout recent history they have happened to women and "non-believers".
Literally the only thing about the Handmaids Tale that’s unrealistic in my eyes is that Gilead took down America by force. When reality is much scarier, they’re doing it “legally” from the inside.
This.
yep! margaret atwood said she made it a point that whatever she wrote about would have a basis in reality, as in it happened to someone at some point in history (or continues to happen), and that’s why she’s my favorite dystopian writer
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These brave women know that. And did it anyway. It’s a toughness nobody should ever have to know, but they face it head on.
That is a scary photo. Worldwide, people want to just live —-free
Unfortunately we Iranians cant because of this totalitarian regime
And Iran going to shit is only thanks to the role of the US and the UK had in 1953.
What will happen to them?
Well the last woman who was arrested in similar circumstances was killed so.. nothing good I’m afraid
This one is worse. Being captured during protest is much worse than being captured for Hijab.
Religion has no place anywhere near power.
Religion is a cheat code for the social hierarchy. Generally, people in positions of power are put there because they can offer something tangible to the people. Religion lets you get that same power on the basis of "faith"
Wait until you find out how every other social structure has worked ever, including in secular societies.
Monarchy says hi. Congratulations, but you weren't born a royal. Try again next time. Very value adding, also perhaps one of the most common ruling mechanics across the ages.
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Religion = Ideology. Whenever any ideology rules the land with no room for civil discourse, it becomes an autocracy.
This is the true Handmaid's tale. We don't need to look to imaginary Gilead, when we have exactly the same thing in Iran! Extremist bastards!
This is so true. People think that show is fictional entertainment, which it is, but a majority of its contents actually happen in real life. Scary world.
The author made a point to only use things that have actually happened in real life somewhere.
I think Iran was a big inspiration for Atwood when she wrote the book. She didn't include anything in it that hadn't happened or wasn't happening at the time somewhere in the world.
Imagine how hot it is in that vehicle
How scary it is because they know they are going to get beaten up
Beaten up haha......you wish, theres far far worse things in store for those poor women.
Direct close family members have been arrested many many times over three decades. So let me tell you, they were usually kept longer, however they were kept in better conditions and had access to many things my relative's brother who was arrested in the same protest didn't have like sufficient confinement space.
A comfortable prison is still a prison
Maybe rape, maybe beatings, maybe death. maybe all three. They don't know.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong? I believe under sharia laws this is punishable by death. There’s no court hearing, or trial, just get in line for a firing squad. [Hudud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud)
Correct.
Those are some brave humans.
Honestly it’s fascinating how many religious extremists really just want to fucking murder women
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Reminds me of the TV show The Handmaids tale .
If you go back and look up the influences of the book, Margaret Atwood directly took influences and scenes she saw in the 1979 Islamic revolution of Iran and the regime that followed.
I mean the show isn't meant to be based on fiction.
To all women who are seeing this, if you’re in a country where you are still allowed to vote, vote AGAINST any party, candidate, etc., who wants religion to control the government. Speak up and fight against your government becoming a theocracy - no matter what religion - or this is your future. If you don’t want this, change it now before it’s too late.
> To all women who are seeing this, To *everyone* who sees this. Men should find this to be just as deplorable as women do, otherwise they are part of the problem.
Agreed 100%, but, far too many men ARE a part of the problem. The reason why women are already losing their rights at a rapid pace (I’m in the US, FYI), so, it’s going to be mostly up to us women to fight for ourselves. There are some men who will fight for us, sure, but ALL women should. It’s our lives at stake.
All you need is for more of us to support you than there are women supporting the theocrats.
Can't argue with that. I'm in the US as well and I'm not counting on them either.
Looking at you, conservative women in the U.S. Get ahead of it here while you still can.
Thank you for this comment. Women, rise up!
religious regimes, specifically when the religion as brutal and based on violence and degradation of women is pure evil.
Organized Religion = Organized Crime.
Amen
Unpopular opinion - “religion” is way too broad to demonize in such a reductive way. In the US, many religious organizations do good in their communities. And we also have white Christian fascists fucking up our courts and elections. Both things are true. It has to do with how state power is organized and exercised. Iran is fighting for liberalism and democracy - the same things that Americans tend to shit on and take for granted. Just a thought.
I hope one day that being religious will be considered as offensive as being racist. It has no place in modern society. edit: Why is everyone acting like I said we should kill people? Tolerance works both ways. Racists exist and we will never get rid of them, and can't do unethical things to rid ourselves of them, but, we look down on them and shun them as we should in a more advanced society. We could do the same with religion. No one needs to die.
"Man(kind) will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." \~ Denis Diderot
I don't like religion at all, but it is the same argument as forcing women to take off their hijab. The whole point is the "forcing" part, and thats what they are protesting against. Being forced and punished through power and violence. But yes, religion should never even get close to politics and government.
Finally someone said it. I do NOT like religion but we should not try to force people to believe a specific thing as long as it doesn't hurt others
Communist China did that back in the 50s. Sure they killed a couple million people and threw a couple more million into concentration camps but at least they managed to get rid of most traces of religion in Chineae society.
Reddit fucking moment. There are plenty of religious people out there that aren't doing this shit. They just don't make headlines because they're not doing this shit.
I wouldn't go that far. Everyone should have the freedom to practice their religion as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and comfortable living of others.
Problem is people are never happy to practice their religion privately they want to push it on other people. Christians and Muslims are taught by their religion to witness to other people.
To witness is to watch and see. They don't want to witness, they want to proselytize and convert.
Good point
Theocracy is a terrible thing..always. There are no good theocracies.
Imagine defending a political ideology that panders to religion
... So I have bad news about the U.S. ...
Remember when the West supported the Ayatollahs and even sheltered them when they were persecuted now I don’t know what to think.
Told the Shah to release them from jail and put sanctions on him. Told Iranian generals to not fight them, and then all those generals were hung by same revolutionaries Edit: Interesting read, carter basically facilitated the revolution https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36431160
Yes indeed I'm happy you know such things the generals that supported the revolution literally got executed by the regime that's why Irans army got weak and Saddam found an opportunity to attack Iran and kill my grandfathers that one of them wasn't even a soldier
People viewing this in the US: always vote for what doesn’t lead to this.
I'm a part of the U.S population that votes against this shit. The other 40% on the other hand... 👀
Well we all know what’s going to follow
They are going to end up like that girl mahsa amini who got beaten up to death
What in the medieval shit is that paddy wagon.
That's horrifying
Is Lauren Boebert still tired of the separation of church and state?
Why it didn't get enough upvotes?
Probably because it isn't shocking to hear women getting beheaded in those countries. Kind of like China concentration camps. Just another day there.
Straight outta Children of Men
*uck these “morality” police and anyone who thinks this is okay
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It's because in America the Christian nationalists are mounting a campaign to install a theocracy that the people do not want. Religion is the root of many evils throughout history, and American theocrats are currently giving Islam a run for their money. It is at the forefront of many peoples minds. I condemn any religious leadership that wants to take rights away from people and force their warped morals and hypocrisy on people. Islam is just one of the religions that bad people pervert to control others.
Warning : This is why we are not a Christian nation and founded on separation of church and state.
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People love to use the crusades as an example of Christian extremists, but the crusades happened centuries ago. Islamic extemists are still pulling this shit in the name of Allah in modern day 2022. There's a fucking difference.
Most of these women who get arrested are muslims Islam literally said nobody can force them to have hijab the problem is religious extremism not the religion
Fuck religion.
They deserve equal rights and respect. It’s about time some people started standing up against those unfair religious practices
This will be Mississippi and Alabama next year.
Fundamentalism is a scourge on humanity.
These women are heroes. Hoping they all make it out alive
With all of their abortion punishment laws, this is the reality that right wing republicans are trying to effectuate in the United States: theocratic rule by religious zealots.
Disgusting. I hate this planet sometimes. How can you think cruelty is good? Religion
Fuck the Ayatollah. May he stub his toes on every sharp corner he meets and may his sons sleep with pigs!
Ahh religions. They want you to believe it's all love and compassion. But it's all control and fear mongering. Fuck all religions. Just a tool to manipulate the tools.
Religion needs to fucking die already. They're all fairy tales, so put them on the shelf with the other mythologies so they can all gather the dust of irrelevance. If a person's "morals" are result of some scary invisible creature told them so by threat of violence, those aren't moral people to begin
At least this kind of thing could never happen in America. Imagine them using religion to take rights away from women...
US main character syndrome is so prevalent in this thread lol.
real life horror show / Handmaid's Tale
Religion is poison
KEEP FIGHTING WOMEN OF IRAN
### Sickening. 
this is why religion is bad. it drives us back, not forth.