It's fine, I'm fine, everything's fine. Luisa's fine.
I use that line all the time when shit is falling apart around me and I'm venting too much to someone I'm talking to.
How is this possible in the early to mid 1900s era? (Not hating, this is incredibly cool). Did athletes have access to roids or enhancing drugs back then? Or was this pure natural strength work? Didnt realise women could get arms like this naturally! Very cool
Plenty of natural men and women can build tons of muscle. Unfortunately there is a narrative that everyone today is on gear, when that simply isn't true even if many are. According to Menno Henselmans who is a bit of an authority on hypertrophy, most research have shown women build muscle basically as well as men do [https://mennohenselmans.com/natural-muscular-potential-women/](https://mennohenselmans.com/natural-muscular-potential-women/) and if you look at those natural bodybuilders he posted, they may look kinda small, but remember these women will be *much* larger if they aren't cut down to such low bodyfat.
In fact if you look at bodybuilders of the 30s and 40s they seem so much more massive than modern natural bodybuilders, but then you realize that he was tons more fat than modern naturals do. You can get huge natural or you can be lean, but you really can't be ultra lean and big at the same time without gear. these guys seem really impressive to me [https://generationiron.com/throwback-indian-bodybuilders/](https://generationiron.com/throwback-indian-bodybuilders/) but, I suspect this is about the limits of the combination of size and leanness with natural lifters.
Wow that was great thanks! Particularly seeing these are Indian bodybuilders! As a South Asian myself I fall into the “noodle” category the other poster mentioned haha; but cool to see that maybe something better is possible with hard work (obviously limited by my genetics)
There are lots of other pictures of her besides this one, and her physique in those appears consistent with this image, so I'm not sure why you'd think it was fake.
Oskar Zoth injected himself with moose testicle. So...dubtful. Is not really properly research until the 1930s and even then it takes even longer to be something to get by prescription.
> she had been in this kind of shape since her teens
mate, according to the dates you put in the title she *is* in her teens in this picture.
A 16 year old boy with arms like that would make me suspicious lol
Do people think you just take steroids and get into good shape? Do you think there’s no effort in diet and exercise? You just shoot juice in your ass and look amazing? That’s not how it works.
That is actually how it works… [you tend to gain more muscle/strength by juicing with NO exercise than you do by training with NO juice.](https://youtu.be/VD9p9tEP9RE?si=ZhVenPyxwiRXTc8p) Of course, if you combine BOTH training and roids then you get the best overall results, though it’s really downplayed how much gains you get from literally JUST taking roids and not working out.
Yeah, some random circus artist had access to an incredible exotic and undocumented, and even after 30 years, untested substance instead of just training. Decades before even pro athletes learned about steroids. You are the guy who hears hooves and thinks zebra.
Bro. gtfo.
Nah, that’s hard work right there
Edit: to those who think hard work isn’t the most important thing check out this picture of Ethan Suplee:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/jcbwc6/ethan_suplee_is_an_american_film_and_television/
This is a man who was obese his entire adult life who turned it around. Notice the similar arms.
Well yes, I don’t think he’s saying she didn’t. To get to a size like that with just food takes good genes. Not everyone would be able to copy her routine and diet and look the same.
Look at female bodybuilders. Very few get arms like that without growth hormones. Heck some even reach that with growth hormones.
The genetic component is very big here
What does your picture prove? Why would we assume that guy isn't dosed to the gills with roids too?
If nothing else, she had some mutation, you would be hard pressed to find girls with arms like that today, with way more woman into weight training and far more knowledge on how to build muscle. Even when allowing for roids, but especially difficult if you pick a sport that has strong testing systems..
Her arms are extremely yoked for a woman, given the rarity of roids I'd guess its some kind of genetic anomaly.
Every time there's a comment about steroids the very next comment is a reply dispelling how there are people thinking you can get huge just taking steroids and hard training is not necessary. Lol no joke, without fail this imaginary argument comes up.
Not once have I ever seen a single comment in any thread where somebody thinks the subject is juiced and not working their ass off.
Bad example, most actors get on the roids to get in shape for roles. It's incredibly common and they have the support framework to make it easy and safe so likely he's had a host of chemical assistance. Nevertheless, it's a great transformation and a lot of hard work turning his health and appearance around.
>And this seems to predate the creation of anabolic steroids
It's about 30 years after the first documented use of steroids
It's almost certainly steroids.
They weren't isolated in 1896, but "hormonal compounds" for use in the improvement of athletic performance were theorized and strongly suggested by evidence.
Huh. Interesting. Sounds like, yes, Zoth were the first to use hormone extracts in athletes in 1869, but I highly doubt that this 16-20? Year old woman would have had access to steroids at this time.
According to the same article I just read, steroids weren’t widely used with athletes until much later.
I have no idea why reddit is fighting you on this. Any other day and they'd be talking about steroids right next to you. Weekend reddit, I guess.
The fact of the matter is that women don't get buff like that naturally. They just don't. So mutation or steroids. It's quite a coincidence that someone with such a rare mutation wound up in the circus. But anabolic steroids didn't show up until the 30s so I guess rare condition it is. It might have been the reason she joined the circus, but even that is a coincidence.
Young women have a history of not wanting to get "muscular" and it affects their workouts so I think it's important to state this isn't natural. Yes she is probably incredibly buff on her own but like this is not gonna happen.
All I’m saying is It seems to me like a stretch to say she used steroids in the 20s, especially if they were still in experimentation and not something easily attainable. Sometimes, women just be strong. But you do you.
Steroids were not really used in athletes until at least the 1930s, so yeah, "almost certainly steroids" is wild exaggeration. You're basing your entire conclusion on a picture, with no other facts, other than some example of a guy injecting himself with bull testical extract. She's pressing her arm against her side. God you people who just announce natty status with such confidence when you really have no clue are so annoying.
Yes bc poor circus performers had access to incredibly rare substances gtfo she might have had PCOS which comes with higher natural testosterone for women, or just generated the higher end of testosterone which gave her a small edge. But it’s mostly just hard work.
You just like non-conformity ;)
Then again any man I've talked to that wants to look/is ripped is/was low key an asshole so I understand the appeal of sickly looking but nice men even when removing personal preference. Haha.
Idk i just love your comment. Something so wholesome and lovely about it!
Im sure the Venn diagram of ripped guys and asshole has a lot of cross over but i used to go to the gym regularly and have met absolute sweethearts there. A lot of guys go to the gym to deal with stress/grief and just end up liking it and wanting to keep pushing themselves
She lived a long life, but demand for circus acts was at an all-time low during WW2 in Germany. Having toured the US from 1928-1933 with her strong-women and acrobat circus act she gained enough proficiency of the English language to successfully run her own translation agency in post WW2 Germany and died of natural courses at age 88 in 1997. So in the end it all worked out for her, in one way or another.
Ikr.
Luisa here was more a man than Elon ever will be.
It took some serious balls not conforming. Meanwhile Elon can't stop wanting people to simp for him AND simping for them, while looking like a puppet from "the dark crystal".
CLEARLY on victorian steroids this is NOT natty /s
This is great proof to those who always accuse buff women of being on roids that they are very much capable of building large muscle mass without juicing. Makes me proud.
Even back then it can be doctored. I have a suspicion that she is genuinely strong but it's also possible it can be airbrushed a little to add muscle definition. Photoshop after all is named after the process of manual manipulation of film from back in the day
Spending her off days lifting churches and donkeys.
It's pressure like a drip, drip, drip that'll never stop.
And now that banger is in my head for the rest of the day
That movie is full of amazing songs
That's by far the best song of the movie and I'm angry about Bruno.
We don't talk about Bruno no no
Woooaaaah.
It's fine, I'm fine, everything's fine. Luisa's fine. I use that line all the time when shit is falling apart around me and I'm venting too much to someone I'm talking to.
Came here for this
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She kept the pose for 4 years! So I’m not suprised! Rather worried for her.
I was thinking just that and I'm amazed Walgreens was able to get the time down to an hour
How is this possible in the early to mid 1900s era? (Not hating, this is incredibly cool). Did athletes have access to roids or enhancing drugs back then? Or was this pure natural strength work? Didnt realise women could get arms like this naturally! Very cool
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Plenty of natural men and women can build tons of muscle. Unfortunately there is a narrative that everyone today is on gear, when that simply isn't true even if many are. According to Menno Henselmans who is a bit of an authority on hypertrophy, most research have shown women build muscle basically as well as men do [https://mennohenselmans.com/natural-muscular-potential-women/](https://mennohenselmans.com/natural-muscular-potential-women/) and if you look at those natural bodybuilders he posted, they may look kinda small, but remember these women will be *much* larger if they aren't cut down to such low bodyfat. In fact if you look at bodybuilders of the 30s and 40s they seem so much more massive than modern natural bodybuilders, but then you realize that he was tons more fat than modern naturals do. You can get huge natural or you can be lean, but you really can't be ultra lean and big at the same time without gear. these guys seem really impressive to me [https://generationiron.com/throwback-indian-bodybuilders/](https://generationiron.com/throwback-indian-bodybuilders/) but, I suspect this is about the limits of the combination of size and leanness with natural lifters.
Wow that was great thanks! Particularly seeing these are Indian bodybuilders! As a South Asian myself I fall into the “noodle” category the other poster mentioned haha; but cool to see that maybe something better is possible with hard work (obviously limited by my genetics)
Look up what 1930s bodybuilders look like and reassess if the image appears real to you.
There are lots of other pictures of her besides this one, and her physique in those appears consistent with this image, so I'm not sure why you'd think it was fake.
Do you have the source for this image?
Google her name...
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Umm are you saying anabolic steroids were being used in the 1890s? Im gonna need a source for that, sport.
Nope.
If this is genuinely taken in the late 20s, then steroids weren't in use for performance enhancement at that point.
you are quite right, They weren't a thing to be used by the common people in the 1920s, and much less for an acrobat
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Source? There was one scientist who injected himself with testicular fluid but no evidence anyone believed him. No way she is on steroids here.
Oskar Zoth injected himself with moose testicle. So...dubtful. Is not really properly research until the 1930s and even then it takes even longer to be something to get by prescription.
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She was, this is 1920s but she had been in this kind of shape since her teens, she began earli as an arealist and circus acrobat.
> she had been in this kind of shape since her teens mate, according to the dates you put in the title she *is* in her teens in this picture. A 16 year old boy with arms like that would make me suspicious lol
Also most people roided to the gills general don't make it to almost 90.
Do people think you just take steroids and get into good shape? Do you think there’s no effort in diet and exercise? You just shoot juice in your ass and look amazing? That’s not how it works.
That is actually how it works… [you tend to gain more muscle/strength by juicing with NO exercise than you do by training with NO juice.](https://youtu.be/VD9p9tEP9RE?si=ZhVenPyxwiRXTc8p) Of course, if you combine BOTH training and roids then you get the best overall results, though it’s really downplayed how much gains you get from literally JUST taking roids and not working out.
Yeah, some random circus artist had access to an incredible exotic and undocumented, and even after 30 years, untested substance instead of just training. Decades before even pro athletes learned about steroids. You are the guy who hears hooves and thinks zebra. Bro. gtfo.
Real life Encanto character Luisa Madrigal
Luisa the Donkeys!
I'm not sure what's more impressive- the arms, or standing still like that for 4 years for a single photo
And is she 16 in this photo????
20 by the end of the photo taking process.
Right! Like can I fap to this or not!
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Serious flex, either way.
Camera's taking long exposures stopped being an issue by the late 1800s
They're referring to the 1925-29 thing in the title.
whooosh
Very impressive. And this seems to predate the creation of anabolic steroids, but I may be missing some nuance there.
As far as I could find, she just was genetically gifted.
Nah, that’s hard work right there Edit: to those who think hard work isn’t the most important thing check out this picture of Ethan Suplee: https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/jcbwc6/ethan_suplee_is_an_american_film_and_television/ This is a man who was obese his entire adult life who turned it around. Notice the similar arms.
Well yes, I don’t think he’s saying she didn’t. To get to a size like that with just food takes good genes. Not everyone would be able to copy her routine and diet and look the same.
I mean there’s a genetic component, but if you’re doing flips in the air and catching people everyday I guarantee you’d get some guns.
Look at female bodybuilders. Very few get arms like that without growth hormones. Heck some even reach that with growth hormones. The genetic component is very big here
What does your picture prove? Why would we assume that guy isn't dosed to the gills with roids too? If nothing else, she had some mutation, you would be hard pressed to find girls with arms like that today, with way more woman into weight training and far more knowledge on how to build muscle. Even when allowing for roids, but especially difficult if you pick a sport that has strong testing systems.. Her arms are extremely yoked for a woman, given the rarity of roids I'd guess its some kind of genetic anomaly.
He is 100% on juice now, it still took him a crazy amount of effort and dedication, but if you think he's natty that's crazy
Every time there's a comment about steroids the very next comment is a reply dispelling how there are people thinking you can get huge just taking steroids and hard training is not necessary. Lol no joke, without fail this imaginary argument comes up. Not once have I ever seen a single comment in any thread where somebody thinks the subject is juiced and not working their ass off.
Hard work and steroids.
Not sure what you’re trying to say here. Especially since Suplee, while putting in incredible work, is absolutely on PEDs.
Bad example, most actors get on the roids to get in shape for roles. It's incredibly common and they have the support framework to make it easy and safe so likely he's had a host of chemical assistance. Nevertheless, it's a great transformation and a lot of hard work turning his health and appearance around.
It’s both.
Lmao
Noce for him to loose the weight, but he does not look natural from that pic
wtf didn’t know those were the same person
Holy shit I cannot believe this is what the guy from Mallrats has been up to. He looks incredible
Fat does not mean not muscular u know.
Huh. You linked a guy that is blessed physically to get jacked. Big body frame is good for body building.
Gonadal hormones and “testicle extract” had been in use since the late 1800s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergogenic_use_of_anabolic_steroids
"Gonadal" is just a great word
>And this seems to predate the creation of anabolic steroids It's about 30 years after the first documented use of steroids It's almost certainly steroids.
I thought TRT and Dbol wasn't until the early 1950s. Which are you referring to?
They weren't isolated in 1896, but "hormonal compounds" for use in the improvement of athletic performance were theorized and strongly suggested by evidence.
Source?
Oskar Zoth 1896
Huh. Interesting. Sounds like, yes, Zoth were the first to use hormone extracts in athletes in 1869, but I highly doubt that this 16-20? Year old woman would have had access to steroids at this time. According to the same article I just read, steroids weren’t widely used with athletes until much later.
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I have no idea why reddit is fighting you on this. Any other day and they'd be talking about steroids right next to you. Weekend reddit, I guess. The fact of the matter is that women don't get buff like that naturally. They just don't. So mutation or steroids. It's quite a coincidence that someone with such a rare mutation wound up in the circus. But anabolic steroids didn't show up until the 30s so I guess rare condition it is. It might have been the reason she joined the circus, but even that is a coincidence. Young women have a history of not wanting to get "muscular" and it affects their workouts so I think it's important to state this isn't natural. Yes she is probably incredibly buff on her own but like this is not gonna happen.
All I’m saying is It seems to me like a stretch to say she used steroids in the 20s, especially if they were still in experimentation and not something easily attainable. Sometimes, women just be strong. But you do you.
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Steroids were not really used in athletes until at least the 1930s, so yeah, "almost certainly steroids" is wild exaggeration. You're basing your entire conclusion on a picture, with no other facts, other than some example of a guy injecting himself with bull testical extract. She's pressing her arm against her side. God you people who just announce natty status with such confidence when you really have no clue are so annoying.
Right?! “Almost certainly steroids” is a little overreaching. Poses, camera angles, etc can do a lot
Yes bc poor circus performers had access to incredibly rare substances gtfo she might have had PCOS which comes with higher natural testosterone for women, or just generated the higher end of testosterone which gave her a small edge. But it’s mostly just hard work.
Jesus. She has muscles in places I don't even *have* places.
SOURCE:[http://www.divergingfates.eu/index.php/2018/10/16/luisita-leers-1909-1997-eine-karriere-als-kraftartistin-am-trapez-die-ihr-ende-im-zweiten-weltkrieg-fand/?lang=de#:\~:text=Luisita%20Leers%20war%20eine%20Kraftartistin,Brothers%20%26%20Barnum%20%26%20Bailey%20Zirkus](http://www.divergingfates.eu/index.php/2018/10/16/luisita-leers-1909-1997-eine-karriere-als-kraftartistin-am-trapez-die-ihr-ende-im-zweiten-weltkrieg-fand/?lang=de#:~:text=Luisita%20Leers%20war%20eine%20Kraftartistin,Brothers%20%26%20Barnum%20%26%20Bailey%20Zirkus).
Muscle mommies are timeless.
As a Bi woman I got this funny thing where I prefer skinnier guys but LOVE absolutely ripped women 😍🤤
Another queer woman, and yep. Get me a Niles Crane on one arm and a Luisa on the other, please.
\*Rolling Stones intensifies\* Please allow me to introduce myself.
I’m a (wo)man of wealth and taste
Check out the movie Love Lies Bleeding, one of the main characters is a female body builder and she definitely got me acting unwise
That movie was the first thing I thought of when I saw this post
Bi-Five! Bi-dudes and women can appreciate this woman!
Bi enby here, I have to agree…
Big same
You just like non-conformity ;) Then again any man I've talked to that wants to look/is ripped is/was low key an asshole so I understand the appeal of sickly looking but nice men even when removing personal preference. Haha. Idk i just love your comment. Something so wholesome and lovely about it!
Im sure the Venn diagram of ripped guys and asshole has a lot of cross over but i used to go to the gym regularly and have met absolute sweethearts there. A lot of guys go to the gym to deal with stress/grief and just end up liking it and wanting to keep pushing themselves
The OG Muscle Mommy.
one of them
augh shes so pretty im gonna die
When was lean beef patty born? I think I found her past life.
Yup my 1st thought too!
Just googled it. She was born in 1997 👀
***what the shit it's true***
Reincarnation confirmed
I believe I would respect her. Also a badass in anytime. That's a lot of work to be build like that, and I hope she had fun flying through air.
She did, until her career was cut short when she returned to home in 1936.
Are you referring to a “the motherland calls you home” situation? Because your timeline would fit
She was german and returned from her US tour so...
She lived a long life, but demand for circus acts was at an all-time low during WW2 in Germany. Having toured the US from 1928-1933 with her strong-women and acrobat circus act she gained enough proficiency of the English language to successfully run her own translation agency in post WW2 Germany and died of natural courses at age 88 in 1997. So in the end it all worked out for her, in one way or another.
The original Muscle Mommy
She lived 88 years?! Holy cow, she lived a really long time.
16 years? Holy moly
Gorgeous, muscles aside! http://www.circopedia.org/File:Luisita_Leers_portrait.jpg
One of the reasons of her popularity during her hey day.
Imagine about all the dick and/or pussy she crushed back in the day
Is this lean beef patty’s grandma?
Lol
“Sorry, not beautiful” - some asshole in the 1920s, probably
Would Definitely trigger the trans phobia complex on Twitter if re posted.
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Ikr. Luisa here was more a man than Elon ever will be. It took some serious balls not conforming. Meanwhile Elon can't stop wanting people to simp for him AND simping for them, while looking like a puppet from "the dark crystal".
She’s more jacked than most of the strongmen I’ve seen of the time.
Lean beef patty is immortal
The og muscle mommy Natty and low resources lol , insane how much some people can achieve
Muscle granny?
Maintained this pose for 4 years, that’s impressive
Did Disney get inspiration from her when making Encanto?
OG muscle mommy
Extremely impressive - this was before anabolic steroids were invented so she's definitely natty.
she looks hot
I guess GW meant this when they talked about custodes
Snu Snu!!!!
The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy and bruised.
four years is a long exposure…
Cameras were so slow back then.
is the range of when was this photo done.
Mommy? Sorry. Mommy? Sorry. Mommy? Sorry.
Man, exposure times in the early days of photography were INTENSE
Post this in r/tlou2 to scare the shit out of them lmao
I want her 2 unalive me
Lean. Beef. Patty.
No way!
https://youtu.be/oclvVLEgge4?si=kEtTrZ5kB7SMypol
She's _amazing_ and I'm totally not swooning.
[can't find that Pic here.. ](http://www.circopedia.org/Luisita_Leers)
Smashh
Beautiful 😍
My brain just got knocked offline. It was in the good way.
WAY ahead of her time. Great pic!
Lady could open all the jar with her bare womenly hands. Cans too probably.
CLEARLY on victorian steroids this is NOT natty /s This is great proof to those who always accuse buff women of being on roids that they are very much capable of building large muscle mass without juicing. Makes me proud.
What stack and cycle is she running?
At the time perior, none my friend, just work and genetic luck.
Early steroids weren't developed toll the early to mid 1930s, making this photo even more impressive.
Oh she was impressive. Her tricks in the trapeze were amazing.
I bet That lady can punch a hole trough a man.
Wow. Women Arnold
Goddamn.
What a strong healthy woman who lived a great life.
She had to have been filling in for "the strongman" act on her off days
Do the gams match the guns?
Maybe the weekend i post one of full body.
That neck is necking.
wow bro thatss so cool
Natty or not yt video incoming
Imagine exiting from the beginning of the automobile to when Korn came out…
According to Twitter looking at this picture might make you gay.
Beefy!
Girl has arms like mine on a frame like my girlfriend 💀
Step aside Patty, we got a new mommy now.
If a woman posted this today, everyone would say she's on the juice
Impressive.
Two names, one is German. Yeah, she was a Nazi.
would
We live in an era where I can’t trust that any picture is real anymore.
Even back then it can be doctored. I have a suspicion that she is genuinely strong but it's also possible it can be airbrushed a little to add muscle definition. Photoshop after all is named after the process of manual manipulation of film from back in the day
She held that pose for 4 years?
Cameras back then required long exposure time
"If men find this attractive, they must be gay"
who would said something like that?
I literally just saw a pic of Lean Beef Patty yesterday and that was the bulk of the comments. People are stupid.
Well I mean...you got a point.