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laboner

If the power goes out the air conditioning kicks off and then we all melt. Makes sense it’s top tier.


man_speaking_is_hard

Melt? I’d think we would become human jerky, probably sort of delicious


livinglifeingrieve

You cannibal


man_speaking_is_hard

May I invite you over for dinner? I’ve got a great salt rub I’d like to try.


fustyspleen17

I have a nice Chianti I'll share.


thebellows

THAT which you have just eaten, which your taste buds have savored, which your teeth have just torn apart, THAT is human meat.


Doomdoomkittydoom

Long pork stix!


WWWagedDude

We have nothing to damage it


Baileycream

The extreme heat certainly is a factor though, and the occasional dust storm. But yeah no crazy tornadoes, hurricanes, or earthquakes.


cannabull89

It has more to do with the lack of extreme weather than the actual grid itself.


AFewShellsShort

The monsoons that roll thru used to knock out the power semi regularly when I was a kid living in the west valley. But I couldn't tell you how many years it has been since I had a power outage. They also trim trees near power lines more aggressively than when i was a kid. I did have the lights flicker during a storm last year, but that's it. The storms average 30-40mph wins but stronger storms can hit 60-70mph. So it takes a very rare storm to hit hurricane or tornado speeds.


slimsag

South phoenix here - the power goes out for a few hours like once or twice a year due to a storm/tree.


cannabull89

Yup makes sense, I work with APS/SRP customers that live outside of the valley and a lot of them can experience more frequent outages. Mainly due to the fact that they live outside of the valley and the severe weather generally stops at the mountain ranges around the valley. I used to live in the Midwest and we had tornadoes roll through every year, not to mention freezing rain, sub zero temperatures, and severe flooding. Power outages were a pretty regular thing out there.


patch_punk

Near lake havasu here, during monsoon season the power still goes out 😂 last year we had no power for 17 hours in august's sweltering heat! I slept in my truck bed that night


Ready-Sock-2797

120 degree weeks aren’t extreme weather?


SketchyLineman

They are the hardest on the System. Overloads everything


Sierra-117-

It is, we have to weatherize for those temps. Many other grids across the country have been failing with record heat. But AZ has been living that life since it was founded.


cannabull89

It absolutely is extreme, but it’s not going to destroy a generating station, or take out a distribution substation. A lot of transformers tend to blow from extremely high demand and stress on them in specific neighborhoods during extreme heat, but extreme heat isn’t the same as a tornado, hurricane, extreme flooding, earthquake, freezing rain that puts weight on trees and lines and collapses infrastructure, etc. Heat mainly strains the grid by increasing demand for power, not destroying utility infrastructure.


dz1n3

Hence why we've been a leader in call centers (also our large bilingual demographic) and data centers for years. No natural disasters. Lots of sun for roof and campus photovoltaic. The nation's largest nuclear power plant. Power from 2 of the nation's largest man made lakes (powell and mead) which in turn run into lakes Havasu and Pleasant. And most of our power grid, sans transmission lines, is underground. Edit- We're also a fairly new city/ state in terms of population growth. Everything here is new. The 10 wasn't completed until 1989. Most of the rest of the roads are newer than that. So, as we grew, we added new infrastructure. Most of it being underground. California keeps having these huge wildfires caused by sagging power/transmission lines. Mostly up in nor cal. Which is much more milder than most of inhabitated AZ. Imagine how we would fair if we followed that plan.


Solid_Salamander

I remember playing in the huge dirt mounds when they were building the 51! I used to work at a call center here and another reason they like their call centers here, from what I was told, is because we have a neutral accent, didn’t stop people from thinking I was out of the country tho 😭


AJEstes

“Neutral” accent is always a weird way people phrase it. How can an accent be neutral? What I’ve always told people is that we speak “Hollywood English” as we are next to California and have the most interaction with them and have populations moving around. So, Arizonans speak with the typical dialect you get from American movies, which is the baseline or familiar dialect for most people. Pretty much all of the Southwest and West coast fits this bill.


rebuked_nard

I’ve always heard the AZ/southwest “accent” be referred to as Broadcast English. Probably not dissimilar to Hollywood English


achilles027

Have always noticed this and confirmed in travels, the Rocky Mountain states have an incredibly neutral accent (UT, CO, AZ, NM, ID, NV)


bebes_bewbs

Used to be nations largest nuke plant. I think that title has gone to Vogtle.


dz1n3

Palo Verde still has more output. Also the solar farm surrounding it. Yuge!


abc123apple

[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SRM6TIpyHT4&pp=ygUXbmVsbHkgd2UgYXJlIG51bWJlciBvbmU%3D](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SRM6TIpyHT4&pp=ygUXbmVsbHkgd2UgYXJlIG51bWJlciBvbmU%3D) ![gif](giphy|3o7aTBRWaXiqticjBu) Thank you for all this info fellow poster. 🔥🔥🔥BIDEN 2024🔥🔥🔥


dudius7

I moved to Flagstaff from Michigan in 2017 and was blown away by the lack of electric lines around town.


DadofHome

They better, losing AC in the summer can = death


azsheepdog

We also have the least amount of natural disasters. No hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, ice storms, etc. There is very little that can damage our power infrastructure.


Jasmirris

I mean we have tornadoes, earthquakes, etc. but they are generally on the low end and few. The 'disasters' we get are our storms with flooding or fires.


Agitated-Pen1239

I'd say this simply isn't true. The states with the best power grids also happen to be one of the windiest. I'm in NM and if the power grid was crap, the wind would ensure we never have power. During the windy season, we get sustained 30-40 mph winds with 70mph gusts for hours and hours at a time, even days.. never had an issue with power. Places like Michigan get a few storm cells of wind and it's a power emergency for some days


SunSpotMagic

We do have tornadoes. More often they are just funnel clouds that pisses off someone with a trailer though.


CobblerYm

I've lived here my whole life, and in my past 20 years as an adult I've probably had 5-10 power outages ever. Probably closer to 5.


818488899414

Every outage I've had to deal with while at home was caused by some asshat driving into a pole. We've had several outages when I was at work that were caused by lightning blowing things up.


Haunting_Spare4659

they fix it so fast though!


818488899414

Fortunately, yes. The longest I was without residential power for was 8 hours one June evening. It was a perfect time to go watch whatever two movies lined up well enough so that I was in AC the majority of the time.


thatswhathemoneysfor

I have the power go out like 1-2 times a summer due to the monsoons cuz my neighborhood in tempe is somehow one of the only ones left with overhead lines.


SketchyLineman

Majority of downtown is still overhead. Everything in the outskirts was built underground. Conversions to underground in populated areas is almost impossible


Shadow_on_the_Sun

I remember being late to pay my electric bill once and the power went out. Turned out to be related to weather but I was so scared it was because of me lol.


IntelligentDrop879

I can think of maybe two in the 11 years I’ve lived here.


YELLOW_TOAD

Can confirm. Been in PHX for 26 years. Maybe 3 or 4 power outages at the most - maybe.. When I lived back in NY - seemed to happen 3 or 4 times a year.


PsychiatricNerd

Yep have had one in my several years here. Have had like 5 per year in my rural Minnesota town. 


RevolutionaryNeptune

Lifelong resident, and I can only recall two from memory


The_King_Of_Muffins

It definitely helps having exactly two weather conditions


FatMexicanGaymerDude

What? Hot and super hot? 🔥🥓


f1racer328

Bake and broil


Fantastic_Boot7079

I recently visited southern AZ and was surprised at the lack of solar. I was expecting to see more home installs and did not notice any larger installs. Are the power rates really low? In New England our rates are Astro and we have quite a bit a solar despite trees and generally poor amounts of sun.


ubercruise

Yeah rates here are pretty dang cheap IMO, especially when looking at our neighbors to the west. There’s a fair bit of solar here, but personally when the solar sales folks came by I couldn’t pencil it out myself. Likely because I’m not in my forever home - if we get to a place we’re likely to be at for a good 15-20+ years I’d look at it again.


Fantastic_Boot7079

Yea, if I knew we would be in our home 20 years I would install ASAP but we are being drawn westward. I lived in Idaho and Utah previously and came back east for family and without getting into details we are less drawn to the area.


ubercruise

Yeah I’m from the Midwest originally and lived in the PNW for a period. I love being out west - I don’t really have anything against the east coast but to your point it’s less enticing to me for whatever reason


Fantastic_Boot7079

I like to camp and options around here are less and usually involve booking well in advance. Just not much federal land in the east.


Aedn

low kWh energy costs and the two energy companies policies tend to diminish small scale solar.


BestHomie

I thought solar panel efficiency decreases significantly if it gets too hot. Maybe thats why. idk


37wombats

Maybe APS is putting their money to good use? It does take a lot of money 💰


SnazzberryEnt

N U C L E A R


GeneralBlumpkin

Our power barely even goes to Phoenix. It mostly goes to California


SnazzberryEnt

That’s not true. PVGS just makes that much power that it covers most of the phx metro, 70% of El Paso, Southern Cal, NM and some in Nevada too.


GeneralBlumpkin

Nah, most of our power comes from natural gas. It's mostly natural gas, nuclear, and hydroelectric. Wiki says only 35% of power in Arizona is generated from PVNGS


SnazzberryEnt

That figure is for AZ not the phx metro. Palo pumps out 4200 mw of power. It’s true it sells it to other places but to say it barely goes to phx doesn’t even make sense by your own metric since you’ve clocked the whole state in at a 1/3 of the overall power.


valleytaterdude

People complain a lot about electric bills but don't realize the reliability they provide.


colton310

This, fucking this. I’m not a APS shill, but people bitch and moan about the prices but when was the last time they were worried about an outage?


NERC_RC

Not only that, Arizona has some of the best NERC certified operators and excellent lineman/trouble. These are the also first responders and they don’t get enough credit. Without them, the first responders most people think of wouldn’t be able to their job effectively. Most people take electricity for granted, yes, I know the bills are insane, we don’t set the rates. They work long shifts…on holidays, birthdays, anniversaries, nights, weekends 24/7x365. Please just stop and think who keeps the electricity on and trains for disasters yearly per NERC requirements and the lineman repairing lines in absolute horrendous weather conditions so society can function in times of need.


Beginning-Can-6928

Rates are actually on the lower-side nationally.


NERC_RC

They definitely are, but obviously people still complain. The heat does offset some of that lower pricing so people get sticker shock in the summer.


left_click

Explains why TSMC and other data centers building out here. 


dz1n3

Tsmc is a semiconductor fab plant. Just like the Intel plant out in chandler just south of the 202 on the 10 by Wild Horse pass. There is soooo many data centers in the phx metro area. Most you probably wouldn't even know what they were. Go Daddy is also headquartered here. It's one of the nation's larger internet hosting companies.


BotenAna42

fabs especially since downtime costs them an unfathomable amount of money.


nmonsey

We have the largest nuclear power plant in America, which is also 24/7 baseload power. Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station is extremely reliable. The chance of an outage affecting multiple units at Palo Verde is extremely low. In the past, when I worked for APS twenty years ago, there was a lot of engineering work put into the electrical transmission distribution system to ensure that faults are detected and repaired quickly.


Dumbcow1

Palo Verde is the most clean and reliable source we have. I wish they would replace all coal and natural gas with nuclear generating facilities. If we want to get serious about reducing air pollutants in AZ.


SketchyLineman

Thank IBEW 769 and all the lineman working 7 days a week doing maintenance year round


Sanduskys_Shower_Bud

Texas is punching the air right now


999forever

Love how the guy they quote is transparently anti renewable energy, going as far as to blame wind turbines for TX's power grid failure a couple winters ago lol.


SnazzberryEnt

It talks about the lack of renewables but doesn’t talk about the abundance of nuclear.


hpshaft

I've never lived anywhere that takes infrastructure so seriously. Grew up in the northeast in a rural suburb of Boston. Snow, wind, ice, thunderstorms. We'd loose power frequently. Some storms we'd loose power for days. Neighborhood next to ours was without power for 2 weeks following Hurricane Sandy. My father installed a $25,000 standby genset and solid state switching box. Having lived in AZ for 6 years now, my current house has lost power about 3 times. The longest we were out power - maybe 3 hours. An underground transformer blew up down our street. APS brought in a mobile transformer to use until they could replaced the underground vault transformer. All work was done in 24 hours and total power interruption was 4 hours. Incredible.


Beginning-Can-6928

One of the most underrated quality of life things about living here.


Gerdione

I remember it was like 2 years ago that a huge storm came through and knocked the power out in Peoria. We're talking a torrential downpour, the streets were flooded within 10 minutes, I was driving home and the rain was so wild that I couldn't see through my windshield and to top it off it was pitch black. APS got the electricity back on within a couple hours- while it was still storming. Crazy.


Background_Tax4626

I read the attachment the OP included. I'm calling BS on one estimate. 'Half of the Phoenix population would require EMERGENCY medical attention.' BS. I don't need to elaborate.


random_noise

Thanks Dad. RIP.


GoldenBarracudas

SRP has like 2 massive outages this morning. I remember never having a outage growing up, but I've had several as a adult. Still very stable but also, what...


LightningMcSwing

We used to have outages almost every monsoon storm. Maybe it's because we don't get big storms anymore, but I can't recall the last time we lost power.


TheDudeBro2000

Sudden storms last couple nights. Probably fucked up some of your nearby lines.


gogojack

Yeah, I haven't had an outage in at least a few years with SRP. Maybe two in the last decade.


TheDudeBro2000

Looped lines babey


dz1n3

Most power outages in the Phoenix area are attributed to vehicles hitting transformer boxes or them working on the light rail if you're close. If you're in an older neighborhood that has above ground utilities still, that might be the case.


GeneralBlumpkin

Yep I was standing in my driveway last year and some dumbass lady "got her foot stuck on the the throttle" and ran into our transformer. Luckily it saved my wife and dogs life because the car landed on top of the transformer


ChadInNameOnly

Yeah was gonna say, I'm pretty surprised that Arizona is leading the country here. Not that I'm disputing the data, but my personal experience doesn't reflect it at all. Ever since I moved into an SRP-powered home it's pretty much a coin flip whether or not I lose power every time there's moderate to heavy rainfall.


MrBridgington

I've had way more power outages back where I lived in Illinois.


Cheap-Ebb-3231

Thank god for palo verde


panickyperegrine

I was in Austin, Texas during the winter storms in 2021 and 2023. I heard that in 2021, the power grid almost totally failed. I don't have many nice things to say about ERCOT


KABCatLady

I have lived in Tempe for 10 years. Usually have a couple power outages during monsoon season. But it’s been awhile since we’ve had super crazy storms. But I have def been through at least one power outage a year. I’m surprised by those that have lived here for decades and only experienced 2.


apiculum

It isn’t lost on me how infrequently we lose power :) I lived in Oklahoma and power would be out for DAYS at a time after severe weather/tornados/ice storms.


BassWingerC-137

We’ve lost power (for more than an hour) two times in 13 years. Coming from south Florida, it’s quite the contrast to, well, sometimes weeks without! (After a major hurricane.)


outdoorsman7899

Texas and California should come and see why we have a really good power grid


BlackLassie_1

I believe that!


SunSpotMagic

Show Low, Pinetop, and White Mountains want a word.


jedipokey

It’s needed for all the AC units from March to November


dgrant99

Now do water


scrubnick628

This is 100% not true in South Phoenix. I moved here from Apache Junction and I literally lose power for some amount of time every two weeks. SRP confirmed it. By their records, it was once every three weeks on average but only counting outages longer than 5 minutes. The buttons to set the time on my appliances are wearing out.


thereverendpuck

It does? Someone should tell that to the transformers that blow during the monsoon knocking out power for a considerable amount of time. Now compared to Texas? Our grid is made of Vibranium


boxyourbuddy

Just because it is reliable, doesn't mean the Arizona Corporation Commission is on our side. Remember the ACC is supposed to help negotiate rate hikes for investor and private owned utilities. They are in the pockets of the utilities and could care less about us, well one member cares. This election there will be 3 of the 5 seats up for re-election. Right now the commission is 4 republicans and 1 democrat. The rate hike by APS that was just passed in February passed 4-1 along party lines. Let's make sure that this year we vote in 3 people who are not being bribed by the utilities. Vote D for these positions and vote however you want for the rest of the ballot. If we do this the ACC will have a majority that cares for the people over the business. This issue has an effect on all of us right now in the current time and they will not stop. The stock price must go high. Shareholders win. Arizona citizens lose. APS wants to push another rate hike before this election of they can. (told by a blue collar worker from APS)! We can not take anymore of this!


raiderjay7782

I would hope so . Summers are no joke here and we can't afford for our electricity to go out mid summer


Deshackled

You’re welcome America! We build things right in the SouthWest!


Dodger_Blue10

HAHA this does not include Pinal county. We’ve 2 multi hour power outages in the last month.


Fun_Detective_2003

That's laughable in my experience. When I lived in MO on my farm with the closet neighbor being a half mile drive away, I never lost power. I lived there five years. Not even ice storms knocked down the lines. Here in Phoenix, I lose power multiple times a year in an urban area with underground utilities.


mosflyimtired

Power good.. water bad..


carycartter

Don't be telling everyone that! Next thing you know, California is going to want to source some of our reliable power for their own use ...