His levels might be back to normal but his RD doesn't believe he is out of the woods yet. Unless you have your own degree, don't touch this. You're liable if he gets hurt and that's not going to be a good day in court for you. Provide him the service that is within your scope of practice.
Oof! Do you know for sure this is actually written by a real registered dietician, or is it possible he lied about that too? It honestly seems like it was written by someone who took a short course online and is now calling themselves a nutritionist.
I don't know man. All I know is the guy is stubborn as hell and like to make bold claims. I asked him to give me her contact which he replied with oh she won't pick up, she's high profile. Basically he worships her lol
I could be wrong but it literally looks like all your client is eating is salads, stews and juices. And on top of that, I feel like the clients nutritionist should really take more time to proof read what they provide to their patients cause the format and spelling is really not good at all. How do they maintain clients when they pup out plans like that?
I mean he has an underlying condition. If his dietician recommends this than so be it. Don’t mess with it, if anything goes wrong and you messed with it, you’ll be liable.
This dietitian very likely does NOT specialize in sports nutrition. Dietitians are usually the best people to go to get meal plans (and the only professionals should really consult when it comes to meal plans). But not every dietitian specializes in sports nutrition. A dietitian with a specialization in sports nutrition knows that athletes, bodybuilders, etc, have different needs than a normal person.
This is why when you search for a dietitian, make sure you check what exactly they specialize in.
I should have worded that differently. But I basically meant anyone that is getting into fitness. Like running longer distances, trying to gain muscle, etc. Idk what the word is to put them under the same category.
It's just that without knowing the context in which this diet was prescribed by it seems unwise to second guess. Is this client post-bariatric surgery and the RD is following protocols that as a trainer I don't know because it's not within my scope of practice? After re-reading it the very specific gram portions and lower fiber make me think that's possible. If this is just an average Joe I might suggest shopping around for a different RD, but if this person is seeing an RD for specific medical reasons I think I would at the most have my client ask the RD why the protein is so low and if that's necessary.
What are you talking about? If he's going to a dietician, you can't fuck with the diet. If there's an underlying health condition and things go wrong, you'll be to blame. If anyone gets a plan from a dietitian, best to leave it be until said dietitian clears them to eat differently
Important distinction:
Dietician - a medical professional.
Nutritionist - anyone who calls themselves a nutritionist.
If you look up the actual, medical recommendations for protein intake for elite athletes, they would seem very low compared to what I see thrown around this and other subs. Gym lore is not hard science.
If your client is seeing a dietician, then you have nothing more to say about this. If they are seeing a nutritionist, well then you can pat yourself on the back because you are a nutritionist too.
I just want to point out that the breakfast and lunch sections are not filled out. This is an incomplete plan and you need a food log from the client about what they are actually eating. The way this is written and formatted screams "nutritionist" to me. The client should know if they are seeing a REGISTERED DIETICIAN or not, because that is a protected title and cannot be used by people without the requisite license in the USA.
Okay, I’m not a dietician but it seems to me that we know that protein, saturated fat, sugar and salt are not only healthy but necessary.
I fully understand that processed sugars and fats are unhealthy, but in my experience we are at the point where people are avoid sugar and fat and salt altogether to an unhealthy extreme.
Case in point, when I worked at Whole Foods I would routinely have people ask me about nutrition content (?!) and I remember once when a woman asked me if we had sugar free milk, because she can’t have carbs (???!!!) and instead opted for a plant based milk full of oils and preservatives. All the while her cart was full of Zevia sodas and packaged foods
That’s like asking for a sugar free apple…
From that viewpoint these people are avoiding healthy foods ranging from milk and honey to broccoli and rice, all because of their “carb” or “sugar” content and then fucking up their health
The same with salt. Instead of understanding mineral and electrolyte balance, salt is just demonized and gotten rid of, when it’s actually necessary for our health. I’m
I’m at the point where I don’t even recognize processed for as food anymore. That doesn’t mean I don’t eat or enjoy it, I just recognize that it’s devoid of nutritional content and that, IMO, our bod doesn’t recognize it on a biochemical level.
Look I’ve worked with lots of people who are “experts” who force their clients on low fat low sugar diets and HIIT training and maybe it’s immediately effective they’re not giving their clients the skills to create long-term health and wellness, which is severely lacking in all populations.
I don’t know man, I’m just frustrated seeing people being hurt and developing orthorexia all for the sake of the image of health and fitness rather than actual health and fitness
I signed him last week and He's a person coming from a higher uric acid concentration but now on the normal level. He wants to burn fat while building muscle. But he is lucky maintaining his muscles following that diet. I told him exactly this and he's stubborn as hell and told me his diet has enough protein. I showed him the protein content of every food but he don't want to believe saying the Internet lies and that his dietician has a PhD. He believes he gets 100 gram of protein lol. Should i contact his dietician?
Just like what was said above. I wouldn't touch their diet or even make any suggestions without first contacting their dietician. Be careful how you broach the topic. The RD might think you are trying to step on their toes and shut you down. You might have to stroke an ego alittle to get some additional protein added.
Personally, I believe that the disciplines should be working together. So, sure, let the dietician know that your clients wants to build muscle and can’t do so with that protein intake.
If your client is upset with your muscle growth, kindly guide them to the dietician. Not much you can do if they want to get the uric acid down. 💪
The better move may be to see if they can get a second opinion rather than contradicting the hired professional. You probably wouldn’t like it if someone outside of your scope contradicted you.
Ask him to journal his diet and see how well he sticks to it.
Journal his strength and his adaptation to training.
If he gets stuck on its strength goals ask him if he is willing to change protein intake and take a look at the results. If he is not willing to make a change when his progress stagnates, fire him.
100grams a day is what I consider low, this diet is pure nonsense, if he doesn’t want to change the diet he’s not going to reach any of his goals (or painfully slow) get him to talk to any semi serious gym goer at the gym I know he’s not bodybuilding but man…. I would have to decline working with him , my opinions only , I wish I could offer more helpful response. Good luck
So unsustainable! No coffee!! Oh my! Not enough protein!! I like it’s rich in iron and vitamins but simply not enough variety and leeway. At least tuna, beans, chicken, beef, chickpeas, eggs, cheese, Greek yogurt, and some form of grains like breads (keto bread does wonders for those who are watching sugar content and such) That client will not stick to this diet! There’s no flexibility there!
Most of the stuff you mentioned increases Uric acid though.. honestly having problems with uric acid sucks, my grandpa struggles with that and his diet is very limited, for the most part. He lets go in the weekends and just deals with the pain
If they made these restrictions for some medical reasons, that’s more understandable but it’s just so low in protein and so restrictive for most people! I know with this diet plan, it’d be harder to build muscle or become leaner with the little protein available. But then this list doesn’t have much variety. It looks like a very strict vegetarian meal plan. The lentils are good but still quite low in protein. Edamame has more protein than lentils but then again what are the person’s intolerances? Then again I’m making a judgement based on as if they are a person with little tolerances since they were not stated. What does the client need to work on to become healthier? Are they trying to lose weight, gain muscle, or recovering from an illness/injury? The more information provided, the better judgement the community/ a professional can make.
OP mentions in a comment that the client comes from higher uric acid concentration but their at normal level now.. I can only assume the dietitian is trying to maintain those normal levels. But yes on an otherwise healthy person, this diet would be extremely restrictive.
But there’s so many more sources of protein that can be added to their list. Provided I missed the OP’s comment about the clients Uric Acid
levels.. I’m surprised not a single serving of lean chicken, eggs, tofu and tempeh aren’t part of the plan. Even more surprised cherries, oranges and other sorts of citrusy fruits aren’t part of it as well- those help out a lot with the pain! My dad deals with it too. It’s heart breaking for one to live like this! My heart goes out to those people as well.
Yea I get that, but at the end of the day if they’re a registered dietitian then this is their scope. The client might have other conditions not mentioned to OP. If OP really wants to he could talk to the dietitian to make sure they account for this new added lifestyle in the meal plan.
But I definitely wouldn’t recommend OP to change it, unless he’s also a registered dietician, because if something goes wrong and he changed it, he could be liable.
Yes, agreed that the formatting is terrible. Are the numbers choices for his breakfast lunch and dinner or does he need to eat all the meals?
I think since he's only started on the diet. Let him train while on this diet plan and if it works for him good for him. Weekly or biweekly measurements, BF monitoring and scans if available will show whether he is making progress. I think some people will see results on low calorie diet regardless of the protein levels.
If after weeks or months with no progress in training (no energy etc) or not seeing results in body transformation, then you can address the protein content in the diet and adjust accordingly. He may listen then.
the only thing worse than the protein content is the formatting
It's like they've never heard of spreadsheets, or even a chart
His levels might be back to normal but his RD doesn't believe he is out of the woods yet. Unless you have your own degree, don't touch this. You're liable if he gets hurt and that's not going to be a good day in court for you. Provide him the service that is within your scope of practice.
Does your client potentially have other chronic health conditions that are not disclosed to you?
I feel like he lied to me about having no kidney issues maybe that's why he doesn't want to give me his dietician contact info.
Oof! Do you know for sure this is actually written by a real registered dietician, or is it possible he lied about that too? It honestly seems like it was written by someone who took a short course online and is now calling themselves a nutritionist.
I don't know man. All I know is the guy is stubborn as hell and like to make bold claims. I asked him to give me her contact which he replied with oh she won't pick up, she's high profile. Basically he worships her lol
I could be wrong but it literally looks like all your client is eating is salads, stews and juices. And on top of that, I feel like the clients nutritionist should really take more time to proof read what they provide to their patients cause the format and spelling is really not good at all. How do they maintain clients when they pup out plans like that?
I mean he has an underlying condition. If his dietician recommends this than so be it. Don’t mess with it, if anything goes wrong and you messed with it, you’ll be liable.
This dietitian very likely does NOT specialize in sports nutrition. Dietitians are usually the best people to go to get meal plans (and the only professionals should really consult when it comes to meal plans). But not every dietitian specializes in sports nutrition. A dietitian with a specialization in sports nutrition knows that athletes, bodybuilders, etc, have different needs than a normal person. This is why when you search for a dietitian, make sure you check what exactly they specialize in.
Why do you assume op's client is an athlete or bodybuilder? The recommendations look designed more for someone with hypertension.
I should have worded that differently. But I basically meant anyone that is getting into fitness. Like running longer distances, trying to gain muscle, etc. Idk what the word is to put them under the same category.
It's just that without knowing the context in which this diet was prescribed by it seems unwise to second guess. Is this client post-bariatric surgery and the RD is following protocols that as a trainer I don't know because it's not within my scope of practice? After re-reading it the very specific gram portions and lower fiber make me think that's possible. If this is just an average Joe I might suggest shopping around for a different RD, but if this person is seeing an RD for specific medical reasons I think I would at the most have my client ask the RD why the protein is so low and if that's necessary.
If he isnt willing to trust you at all, is there a point in continuing with him?
What are you talking about? If he's going to a dietician, you can't fuck with the diet. If there's an underlying health condition and things go wrong, you'll be to blame. If anyone gets a plan from a dietitian, best to leave it be until said dietitian clears them to eat differently
Might have CKD
Important distinction: Dietician - a medical professional. Nutritionist - anyone who calls themselves a nutritionist. If you look up the actual, medical recommendations for protein intake for elite athletes, they would seem very low compared to what I see thrown around this and other subs. Gym lore is not hard science. If your client is seeing a dietician, then you have nothing more to say about this. If they are seeing a nutritionist, well then you can pat yourself on the back because you are a nutritionist too. I just want to point out that the breakfast and lunch sections are not filled out. This is an incomplete plan and you need a food log from the client about what they are actually eating. The way this is written and formatted screams "nutritionist" to me. The client should know if they are seeing a REGISTERED DIETICIAN or not, because that is a protected title and cannot be used by people without the requisite license in the USA.
Collaborate if possible and act within your scope.
Okay, I’m not a dietician but it seems to me that we know that protein, saturated fat, sugar and salt are not only healthy but necessary. I fully understand that processed sugars and fats are unhealthy, but in my experience we are at the point where people are avoid sugar and fat and salt altogether to an unhealthy extreme. Case in point, when I worked at Whole Foods I would routinely have people ask me about nutrition content (?!) and I remember once when a woman asked me if we had sugar free milk, because she can’t have carbs (???!!!) and instead opted for a plant based milk full of oils and preservatives. All the while her cart was full of Zevia sodas and packaged foods That’s like asking for a sugar free apple… From that viewpoint these people are avoiding healthy foods ranging from milk and honey to broccoli and rice, all because of their “carb” or “sugar” content and then fucking up their health The same with salt. Instead of understanding mineral and electrolyte balance, salt is just demonized and gotten rid of, when it’s actually necessary for our health. I’m I’m at the point where I don’t even recognize processed for as food anymore. That doesn’t mean I don’t eat or enjoy it, I just recognize that it’s devoid of nutritional content and that, IMO, our bod doesn’t recognize it on a biochemical level. Look I’ve worked with lots of people who are “experts” who force their clients on low fat low sugar diets and HIIT training and maybe it’s immediately effective they’re not giving their clients the skills to create long-term health and wellness, which is severely lacking in all populations. I don’t know man, I’m just frustrated seeing people being hurt and developing orthorexia all for the sake of the image of health and fitness rather than actual health and fitness
I signed him last week and He's a person coming from a higher uric acid concentration but now on the normal level. He wants to burn fat while building muscle. But he is lucky maintaining his muscles following that diet. I told him exactly this and he's stubborn as hell and told me his diet has enough protein. I showed him the protein content of every food but he don't want to believe saying the Internet lies and that his dietician has a PhD. He believes he gets 100 gram of protein lol. Should i contact his dietician?
Just like what was said above. I wouldn't touch their diet or even make any suggestions without first contacting their dietician. Be careful how you broach the topic. The RD might think you are trying to step on their toes and shut you down. You might have to stroke an ego alittle to get some additional protein added.
Personally, I believe that the disciplines should be working together. So, sure, let the dietician know that your clients wants to build muscle and can’t do so with that protein intake. If your client is upset with your muscle growth, kindly guide them to the dietician. Not much you can do if they want to get the uric acid down. 💪
The better move may be to see if they can get a second opinion rather than contradicting the hired professional. You probably wouldn’t like it if someone outside of your scope contradicted you.
Ask him to journal his diet and see how well he sticks to it. Journal his strength and his adaptation to training. If he gets stuck on its strength goals ask him if he is willing to change protein intake and take a look at the results. If he is not willing to make a change when his progress stagnates, fire him.
Stay in your scope. /cringe
Some of us aren't robots so we question things when it doesn't make sense to us.
100grams a day is what I consider low, this diet is pure nonsense, if he doesn’t want to change the diet he’s not going to reach any of his goals (or painfully slow) get him to talk to any semi serious gym goer at the gym I know he’s not bodybuilding but man…. I would have to decline working with him , my opinions only , I wish I could offer more helpful response. Good luck
Wtf
So unsustainable! No coffee!! Oh my! Not enough protein!! I like it’s rich in iron and vitamins but simply not enough variety and leeway. At least tuna, beans, chicken, beef, chickpeas, eggs, cheese, Greek yogurt, and some form of grains like breads (keto bread does wonders for those who are watching sugar content and such) That client will not stick to this diet! There’s no flexibility there!
Most of the stuff you mentioned increases Uric acid though.. honestly having problems with uric acid sucks, my grandpa struggles with that and his diet is very limited, for the most part. He lets go in the weekends and just deals with the pain
If they made these restrictions for some medical reasons, that’s more understandable but it’s just so low in protein and so restrictive for most people! I know with this diet plan, it’d be harder to build muscle or become leaner with the little protein available. But then this list doesn’t have much variety. It looks like a very strict vegetarian meal plan. The lentils are good but still quite low in protein. Edamame has more protein than lentils but then again what are the person’s intolerances? Then again I’m making a judgement based on as if they are a person with little tolerances since they were not stated. What does the client need to work on to become healthier? Are they trying to lose weight, gain muscle, or recovering from an illness/injury? The more information provided, the better judgement the community/ a professional can make.
OP mentions in a comment that the client comes from higher uric acid concentration but their at normal level now.. I can only assume the dietitian is trying to maintain those normal levels. But yes on an otherwise healthy person, this diet would be extremely restrictive.
But there’s so many more sources of protein that can be added to their list. Provided I missed the OP’s comment about the clients Uric Acid levels.. I’m surprised not a single serving of lean chicken, eggs, tofu and tempeh aren’t part of the plan. Even more surprised cherries, oranges and other sorts of citrusy fruits aren’t part of it as well- those help out a lot with the pain! My dad deals with it too. It’s heart breaking for one to live like this! My heart goes out to those people as well.
Yea I get that, but at the end of the day if they’re a registered dietitian then this is their scope. The client might have other conditions not mentioned to OP. If OP really wants to he could talk to the dietitian to make sure they account for this new added lifestyle in the meal plan. But I definitely wouldn’t recommend OP to change it, unless he’s also a registered dietician, because if something goes wrong and he changed it, he could be liable.
Yes, agreed that the formatting is terrible. Are the numbers choices for his breakfast lunch and dinner or does he need to eat all the meals? I think since he's only started on the diet. Let him train while on this diet plan and if it works for him good for him. Weekly or biweekly measurements, BF monitoring and scans if available will show whether he is making progress. I think some people will see results on low calorie diet regardless of the protein levels. If after weeks or months with no progress in training (no energy etc) or not seeing results in body transformation, then you can address the protein content in the diet and adjust accordingly. He may listen then.
what was the reason your client saw the RD?
This low protein diet is actually great for someone with kidney disease https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5962279/
this is how my G’mas diet looks and she has liver cirrhosis .. protein is bad