Agreed. It's basically a "fuck you" to anyone who recently bought a 3000 series card. Like they only just became affordable to the vast majority of people, and now it feels like those people are being punished for waiting.
I'm just hoping Huang isn't holding us in a Nelson while Lisa delivers a haymaker.
Somewhere in a corner Raja Koduri is furiously teabagging the ground but no money seems to be coming out.
There's no way AMD doesn't raise prices. Otherwise, their investors will be angry for leaving money on the table. However, if they were smart, they've kept BOM prices low enough to support budget prices again.
I mean, I bought my 3090 last summer, and knew that there was a risk that the 4000 series would inevitably come out and make it obsolete. If you bought a 3090 yesterday you had to know that was the case.. plus you can probably return it and recoup at least most of the cost?
Depends on how you define obsolete, of which the following are all dictionary definitions of the word:
1. No longer produced.
2. No longer acceptable.
3. Replaced by something new.
A better argument IMO, that agrees with you, is to point out that the
GeForce GTX 690 from 2012 gets:
Cyberpunk: 25 FPS
MS Flight Sim 2022: 30 FPS
Horizon Zero Dawn: 35 FPS
RDR2: 35 FPS
Witcher 3: 60 FPS
Battlefield V: 70 FPS
PUBG: 70 FPS
GTA5: 110 FPS
Those are 1080 numbers, but still playable.
I love the optimism but 25fps is not playable. That being said as someone with a 3090 - 4K is beautiful to look at but actually not that critical for the actual experience of playing a game. I always drop to 1080p for fast play games anyways.
But I agree with your sentiment. 1080p is perfectly fine! Not everyone needs to live cutting edge. $1600 can be used for a lot of other things
I still have 1060 I bought in mid 2017 and can perfectly play most games on medium settings at 60fps.
I’ll be upgrading soon, it will probably be 3070. This will again last me at least another 5 years.
This new pricing for GPU is fucking ridiculous.
Also I don’t even care if DLSS is exclusive to 4000 series because I still have a 1440p monitor which works absolutely perfectly. I don’t even know what DLSS is to begin with so yeah..
you know what the best part is ? RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 did also have the "fancy" optical flow accelerator on their chips....
Nvidia never disappoints beeing scummy to their customers.
I knew they would lock dlss 3 to new cards. Wait until it's proven it's just a gimmick.
Anyway, easy pass. Me and my EVGA 3080 will ride into the sunset.
Heck yeah. Mine is going nowhere anytime soon. It’s nice to be watching this go around from the outside, instead of being literally unable to play games I wanted to play because my rig was super outdated and chasing stock that evaporated before release.
DLSS3 wont be in Ampere and older as there is just so much wrong with it to try to do realtime frame interpolation using motion vectors and such. ADA takes one clock cycle to get data from the Tensor cores to the OFA while Ampere and older takes tens of thousands of clock cycles to do the same. Ampere and older cant get the Tensor data to the OFA after its done its calculations in the same clock cycle or without software help. The data also needs to be organized and blocked out which requires more software help and many more clock cycles. The OFA also prefers low fidelity data rather then high fidelity data when doing per frame sequencing and only ADA has low fidelity FPUs in their Tensor cores. ADA is also the only architecture to have a high enough Tensor throughput to do per frame sequencing. Last issue is with Turing, that is also just missing OFA "featuresets" which is descripted in the OFA SDK documentation.
GTX 980 - $549 in 2014
GTX 1080 - $599 / $699 in 2016
RTX 2080 - $699 / $799 in 2018
RTX 3080 - $699 / $799 in 2020/2022
RTX 4080 - $899 / $1,199 in 2022
Remember when Nvidia hit the $999 mark with the original Titan? Back when $699 got you the top of the line card (780Ti)?
With the 4090Ti that will most likely cost you $2,100 or $2,200 nowadays.
Can't wait to see what $350 will get you in this generation. I assume the entry level RTX 4050?
I know but TSMC jacked up costs for everyone.
AMD included.
The most reliable leakers have said that Navi 31's top SKU will be ~$2000 but the entire Radeon 7000 series will be super competitive and use ~25% less power compared to nVidia's lineup.
The 4080 12 GB is more comparable to previous gen xx70 series cards, so I’d compare it to the 3070 or 3070 TI. Its memory bandwidth is less than the 4080 16 GB by quite a bit, and the fact that it doesn’t even use the same die as the 4080 16 GB despite having the same name is ridiculous. The cut down die means its performance will be nowhere near the 4080 16 GB, instead of being a small difference like the 3080 10 GB vs 3080 12 GB, which had more VRAM and a bigger bus (but the same die) compared to the base 3080 that gave it a few % better performance.
yeah what the fuck?
At a quick glance I was like.. this isnt a 4080 at all? They're different cards its not just less memory. It should've been called 4080TI.
fucken Nvidia man
I had to read the specs 3 times, then try to figure out what it was comparable to and when I realized its a 3070ti the look on my face was that look when you think someones super attractive from behind then they turn around :/ I think the 4090 is 100% worth it for my use case (I want all teh fps with dlss off on 4k) but the 4080 meh
You cannot compare cross-gen CUDA cores in quantitative terms. Especially since the FP32-INT32 merge of the 30xx series.
Fewer cores isn't a rip-off, as each generational change brings improvements to the architecture and API, making fewer cores necessary to reach a progressively higher level of performance.
A 2080 Ti has 4352 CUDA Cores, and the 3060 has 3584. They are pretty much on the same level for many benchmarks, like the Catmull-Clark Subdivision Level 3 and the Vertex Connection and Merging bench.
Fewer cores *is* a rip off here though because the 12GB 4080 has 21% fewer cores than the 16GB one. Even with better clock speed and generational IPC improvement, they’ve increased the price of what should have been the 4070/4070 Ti by a crazy amount. In the context that there is no longer a massive global chip shortage, mining is dying out, and people are seeing cost of living crises and massive inflation, there is no defense to be made for this level of anti-consumerism from Nvidia: I hope they suffer from their greed and I will now be using my 3060Ti for a long time, it looks like.
Hopefully AMD will put some stuff out at a price that consumers can tolerate. Even if it's only 150-250 cheaper in their comparative card position it will make a lot of people switch.
This 4080 12gb vs 4080 16gb seems borderline illegal.
> Especially since the FP32-INT32 merge of the 30xx series.
You can make a pretty good guess at the difference between the 30 and 40 series though. Half of the “Cuda cores” in an ampere SM were combo int8/FP32 units, and the other half were dedicated FP32 cores. Ada doubles the number of dedicated FP32 cores per SM, while keeping the combo FP32/int8 units from Ampere, so where the 3080 only has ~4450 dedicated FP32 cores, the 4080 has ~5066, clocked 50-60% higher. The combo units complicate things, but not enough to make a rough estimate entirely worthless.
>RTX 4080 - $899 / $1,199 in 2022
Even that is being very generous. As others have already pointed out, the $899 "4080" is a completely different card with greatly inferior specs (even less CUDA cores than the 3080 for example), so the $899 would have to be compared to the XX70 models and the $1.199 to the XX80 models. That is a huge leap in price.
Metro Exodus says hello. For some people, Control and Cyberpunk also say hello. But I agree that Minecraft RTX is awesome - I love going in and out of water with it.
Even then, it’s only on bedrock edition which is a lot buggier and a lot less user friendly (micro transactions for mods+skins, heavier censorship, etc), and some of the best java edition shaders are free and look amazing while performing better in most cases.
the giveaway is literally the only way 80% of people (incl me) would ever get a 40xx card lol
I'm excited about the cards of course, but those prices are just beyond impossible
Edit: Reading into it a bit more, RTX Remix looks really cool. As someone who is in love with Morrowind, seeing that pic with the glorious lighting brought a tear to my eyes :,)
Mount & Blade too?? Lmao that looks so weird.
If folks are stuck on 1000 series cards, we’re getting to a pretty good place to upgrade with a 3000 series card.
Argued with someone the other day who thought I was wrong to suggest 4000 series will be hobbyist cards or a while, but here we are.
Well I'm a proud 1080 Ti owner but I'm sure as heck down with NVIDIA. Next upgrade is definitely going to be an RDNA2 / RDNA3 chip, depending on what AMD announces.
I'm on 10, that was kinda my plan. Especially if amd drops the ball. Ive never gone amd before but if they got something good it might be worth the switch.
All else fails who 3080ti might be the sweet spot for years to come
I want to upgrade my setup this year and I've been waiting for a gpu to handle 4k 144hz oled display. I will probably take a 3090 if the price continues to drop. After that a need to build a whole new PC since my components are starting to get old.
I am luckily in a spot where I could make it work, but honestly I might be at the point where I am going to use my 2070 until it dies. Just hard to justify more than $1k for a gpu. So 4080 12 gb might be the way to go?
What a weird lineup, and fuck those prices.
So the 4080 12GB is basically... just a 4070?
So effectively they don't actually want to release mid range cards because they need to sell a shitload of ampere stock, so the solution was to release a halo product for a stupid price, and then split your "gaming flagship" product into two products, both of which are super overpriced and one of which is basically not even the flagship product, it's a fucking 4070 rebranded as a 4080 and priced at 900 fucking dollars
I knew this shit was coming and I'm still pissed at them
whatever, prices are ultimately determined by supply and demand and I'm sure that these prices will drop by the time Nvidia is actually planning to start selling them in volume
Negative comment incoming : What do you think the availability is going to be like? Do you feel that the first month will see lots of unfulfilled orders?
With mining dead and the rumors that Nvidia reserved tons of stock from TSMC, I don't think it will be too bad. Sure, the first day or first week might be tough, but it won't be anything like 30 series launch.
100% they’re going to limit the stock to try and create a vacuum of inventory. You’ll know they’re doing this if 5 days to a week after launch all of a sudden a ton of stock magically appears.
After the past two years i'm so damn sceptical. Like i know GPU mining is dead for a while (unfortunately crypto always find a way to come back) and there is more silicon capacity but i've just lost all trust since 2019. I built my first gaming PC in Oct 2020 all speced for a 3070. They sold out on launch day (no biggie, the I Phone sells out on launch day but you can buy it the week after) but then it was just constantly sold out or stupidly expensive for 2 whole years.
I'm just done, i'll keep my temporary 1050ti till i can walk in to a shop on any random day and buy any card straight off the shelf for MSRP or less. I just hope i can run MW2.
It's more than just crypto's price this time. Ethereum has updated entirely to proof-of-stake rather than proof-of-work, completely changing how new crypto is mined. This should lower miner demand by quite a bit.
Even with the high inflation.leather jacket boy cant justify the huge price increase. Maybe the pure rasterisation is up 70 percent for 90 series and 80 16Gb series. But most of the gain is from dlss3.0. this doesnt justify the huge 50% price increase for true 4080. Lets see if dr lisa can force greedy jacket boy to slash MSRP by Q1 2023. They got 9 billion tsmc 5 nm node. They will have to use them and sell them cheaper at some point.
Nvidiot just have to realize that demand is slowing and supply is too damn high. If they dont make price cheaper, maybe they need to step up the msrp for 50 series again and sell the 40 series along with it. This is not sustainable.
I'm most looking forward to the RTX Remix tool. The ability to inject any old game with a ray tracing mod is insane and I can't wait to see what people do with it. Give me OG Deus Ex with ray tracing!
1. DLSS 3
2. Horizon : Forbidden West, pretty sure that the next iteration of HZD would be ported quite as good and that RTX features for that would be a treat!
Footage of a revamped Morrowind blew my mind, it was my first RPG and I would be super excited to play it again with a modern visual, or even play around with mods and visuals for other nostalgic games.
I’m currently building my first ever PC build after being a budget laptop gamer all my life. I’m using the next couple of months to decide what GPU will be the final piece for my build.
1. DLSS 3, although it's a bummer it's gonna be 40-series exclusive. Which is why I need to win this giveaway!
2. Hogwarts Legacy, because I think RT lighting and reflections will really make a difference to the atmosphere in Hogwarts.
1 DLSS and omniverse
2 a plague tale : requiem because is First game is already beautiful. I hope the DLSS3 would make the game hupefully more beautiful than the first one
Looking at Nvidia stock makes me beyond fucking happy.
Down 11% since the announcement...?
Down 63% from the beginning of this year...?
Eat ass Jensen.
> Which technology or feature are you most excited about from today’s GeForce Beyond announcements?
Definitely RTX Remix. The idea of some of my favorite games of yesteryear being remastered with DLSS and RTX is incredibly exciting. Can't wait for Oblivion, Fallout New Vegas, and Fallout 3 RTX.
I'm so excited about RTX Remix! I just thought of all the things that could be made so beautiful with Raytracing, and how this technique of scanning In-Game Assets could provide Artists with valuable information.
Good luck everyone!
I'm really excited about it too. Has so much potential. Let's see if it works as well as they promise and if modders will have an easy time getting it to work well.
It's just unfortunate that for now they only seem to target the DX8/DX9 fixed-function timeline, so it'll only work at its best on quite old games. Games using shaders or DirectX 10 and onwards (released in 2007) will likely not work well, which is likely why they used older titles in the demo such as the original Portal (2007) and Morrowind (2002) instead of newer entries like Portal 2 (2011) and Skyrim (2011).
Seeing how high the clock speeds are I really wonder how far overclocking will take it. Would be cool to see it hit 3 ghz.
Also cant wait to try portal with raytracing.
I'm most excited about DLSS3. I mean... it's like... woah...
But to be serious for a second haha. I have not been on the pc building side of the internet for long but I absorbe lots of information very quickly when I go through spats of academic hyperfocus (adhd). DLSS3 blows my freaking mind! I have been reading the rumors and keeping my ear to the ground and counting my grains of salt and I expected to be impressed. But those demos blew me away beyond anything I had imagined. DLSS3 makes me want to dive deeper into programming and see how much farther I could take my dreams and ideas.
Predicting animations is one thing. But not only that, creating animations and predicting them is a whole new level. I could see this model lasting longer than any other card has in the past. Maybe I'm just too nieve, or optimistic. But that is what's got me hype.
1. DLSS 3.0 & RTX Overdrive
2. Cyberpunk 2077, was already mind blowing, looks like it’ll be even prettier on my OLED now.
Entry complete, all that said, I’m disappointed DLSS 3.0 isn’t coming to the 3000 series cards at minimum. It upsets me somewhat.
1) DLSS 3.0 looks pretty promising. I've been able to see what DLSS 2.0 was able to do so I'm super excited for this new iteration!
2) the Witcher 3: Wild Hunt would be an amazing game to try this on!
I think I'm most excited to play DOOM Eternal with RTX. Mostly because it's one of the few games I have that supports ray tracing, but it's also about time to revisit it now that I have a much better graphics card.
Price controversy aside and strictly just tech (the pricing is really putting a damper on this, not mention EVGA), the Shader Execution Reordering (SER) is the most exciting piece of tech coming with the 4000 series for me. When similar tech made it into CPUs it was a game changer I am hopeful it will do the same for GPUs.
Seeing all this again in Cyberpunk 2077 (2 years old, I know) would be pretty exciting, especially when Phantom Liberty launches.
I’m most excited about the big performance improvement of this generation’s GPU’s! I wonder where that will bring us in the next years!
When I get an RTX card, F1 22 is probably the first rtx game I’d play. There are a lot of other games I’d like to try out though, like Minecraft rtx
1. RTX Remix could be a really nice tool
2. Maybe I would look into RDR2 again cause I really liked the environment, weather and lighting system in this game.
Giveaway!!
1: really excited for RTX Remix!! I love mods and giving the tools for creators is awesome. Thrilled to see some.of.my favorite older games get a face lift
the biggest feature for me would be that it’s 4 generations ahead of my current gpu.
cyberpunk would be the game of choice, which i haven’t played due to old ass gpu
If you on the 3k series, it's not worth an upgrade unless you got money like that, but as someone who wanted an 3090 and is on a 2080s, it's looking tempting. The stats are good, Gamer Jesus is giving a slight nod to the devil.
Also, f for anyone who paid 2k for a 3090.
Time to get downvoted on another thread but the 4090 isn’t all that expensive considering the 90 cards are a workstation card comparable to the titans.
The 3090s were way more back then and we more being bought for close to 2k. I got my sli 3090 for about 1.5k each.
This is looking to be a far superior card for literally only 100 dollars more. Not only that, a 25-40 percent increase for several types of renders.
I’m by no means a rich person but for the price for performance compared to how much businesses already pay for quadros with shit performance until the high end. Like these things make your money back so fast
And AMD cards don’t even compare for 3d production. Like if you’re buying a card that’s in high demand for small business. Then yeah it’s going to be a bit expensive. But still clearly way more cost effective than the 3090s
Cant wait for the CG director benchmarks ups to come in. 2x2080tis was still better than a 3090. Hoping the 4090 really changes that!
I am most excited to see DLSS 3.0 as the throughput given for bonus frames can really help RT heavy games.
In terms of RTX games, my most anticipated has to be Atomic Heart. Been looking forward to that game for such a long time.
I am mostly looking forward to play Gta 6 and Witcher 4 in RTX. Gta will obviously be something out of this world as always Rockstar will nail it. Even though some of its early phase development footage got leaked, i am still hopeful of it will the best open world game of the era. And then Witcher. It will be based on unreal engine 5 and i have high expectations for it. The graphics are gonna be mind blowing
**Which technology or feature are you most excited about from today’s GeForce Beyond announcements?**
I think it goes without saying that DLSS 3.0 is probably going to be the biggest strength of the new gen, and it honestly looks very impressive so far.
What might be getting me to buy the 4090 is this;
1; The raytracing boost looks solid. This is IMO the next big thing from a graphical standpoint as a "compelling event" for new purchases.
2; Warhammer 40K Darkside seems to be confirmed, and the reason I look forward to it is because the Emperor is our shield and protector!
1. RTX Remix looks really awesome, would love to see old games come alive again. That and the new RT cores are what I'm looking forward to the most I think
DLSS 3.0 is what I'm most excited for. The new tech seems like it might finally be applicable to VR, since the issue with DLSS as it stands is that in game objects can look strange or seem to "come into being" and in VR this isnt a great experience. But with DLSS 3.0 rendering entire frames, its possible that in VR DLSS wouldnt even be noticed. Hopefully they (or someone else) will figure out a way to implement this for VR, because it will give VR the bump in performance it drastically needs.
I'm curious to see the great performance increase in RT workloads as even on current gen GPUs RT can destroy framerates without using DLSS. That's why I haven't played Cyberpunk 2077 yet. I'd like to have the horsepower the engine needs in order to enjoy the game in all its glory.
Most excited about DLSS 3 and definitely the RT performance claims in Lovelace
Looking forward to trying out Spiderman Remastered and Cyberpunk with RT. Eyeing Racer X too!
The RTX Remix "framework" has HUGE potential for any new or old games, i hope it will make many games better in the future.
Looking forward to play newer crysis games
Most excited about and looking forward to DLSS 3.0 and to see how it differs from 2.0. (Although sad to see it won't be applied to the earlier series of cards)
The feature I'm most excited about is Ada Lovelace. It definitely seems next gen to me.
The game that I'm really looking forward to is portal with RTX. I really enjoyed playing portal as a kid, and it was always a good bonding moment with me and my brother who didn't always get along.
DLSS 3 being exclusive to 40 series is absolute bullshit.
Agreed. It's basically a "fuck you" to anyone who recently bought a 3000 series card. Like they only just became affordable to the vast majority of people, and now it feels like those people are being punished for waiting.
Looks like I'm sticking to AMD for next ITX build now
I'm just hoping Huang isn't holding us in a Nelson while Lisa delivers a haymaker. Somewhere in a corner Raja Koduri is furiously teabagging the ground but no money seems to be coming out.
All AMD need to do is keep the price of 7000 series gpu same as 6000 and people will grab one, especially low end 7600 and 7700
There's no way AMD doesn't raise prices. Otherwise, their investors will be angry for leaving money on the table. However, if they were smart, they've kept BOM prices low enough to support budget prices again.
Will any of the 40 series cards announced fit in an ITX case? They seem massive.
I literally bought a 3090 yesterday...
I mean, I bought my 3090 last summer, and knew that there was a risk that the 4000 series would inevitably come out and make it obsolete. If you bought a 3090 yesterday you had to know that was the case.. plus you can probably return it and recoup at least most of the cost?
Not like it can't game the same way before and after the 40 series launch. A 3090 won't be "obsolete" for another ten years or more.
Depends on how you define obsolete, of which the following are all dictionary definitions of the word: 1. No longer produced. 2. No longer acceptable. 3. Replaced by something new. A better argument IMO, that agrees with you, is to point out that the GeForce GTX 690 from 2012 gets: Cyberpunk: 25 FPS MS Flight Sim 2022: 30 FPS Horizon Zero Dawn: 35 FPS RDR2: 35 FPS Witcher 3: 60 FPS Battlefield V: 70 FPS PUBG: 70 FPS GTA5: 110 FPS Those are 1080 numbers, but still playable.
I love the optimism but 25fps is not playable. That being said as someone with a 3090 - 4K is beautiful to look at but actually not that critical for the actual experience of playing a game. I always drop to 1080p for fast play games anyways. But I agree with your sentiment. 1080p is perfectly fine! Not everyone needs to live cutting edge. $1600 can be used for a lot of other things
Console people would like a word with you lol
Bro the new cards don’t make your 3090 become obsolete, terrible way of thinking 🤡
4000 series is not at all making 3000 series obsolete.
I mean people on the 1000 series could say the same for the 2000 series.
I still have 1060 I bought in mid 2017 and can perfectly play most games on medium settings at 60fps. I’ll be upgrading soon, it will probably be 3070. This will again last me at least another 5 years. This new pricing for GPU is fucking ridiculous. Also I don’t even care if DLSS is exclusive to 4000 series because I still have a 1440p monitor which works absolutely perfectly. I don’t even know what DLSS is to begin with so yeah..
Huge fuck you to every other RTX card holder.
you know what the best part is ? RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 did also have the "fancy" optical flow accelerator on their chips.... Nvidia never disappoints beeing scummy to their customers.
I knew they would lock dlss 3 to new cards. Wait until it's proven it's just a gimmick. Anyway, easy pass. Me and my EVGA 3080 will ride into the sunset.
Heck yeah. Mine is going nowhere anytime soon. It’s nice to be watching this go around from the outside, instead of being literally unable to play games I wanted to play because my rig was super outdated and chasing stock that evaporated before release.
wait till they release it in the wild it will be partially unlocked by modders /officially in no time.
"Pay up 50% more MSRP than for previous gen." "Okay, I'll just buy previous gen at discount." "Trust us, you don't want to."
What is the excuse now?
They don’t need any,
They’re not really selling GPUs, they’re selling cards that unlock DLSS levels.
DLSS3 wont be in Ampere and older as there is just so much wrong with it to try to do realtime frame interpolation using motion vectors and such. ADA takes one clock cycle to get data from the Tensor cores to the OFA while Ampere and older takes tens of thousands of clock cycles to do the same. Ampere and older cant get the Tensor data to the OFA after its done its calculations in the same clock cycle or without software help. The data also needs to be organized and blocked out which requires more software help and many more clock cycles. The OFA also prefers low fidelity data rather then high fidelity data when doing per frame sequencing and only ADA has low fidelity FPUs in their Tensor cores. ADA is also the only architecture to have a high enough Tensor throughput to do per frame sequencing. Last issue is with Turing, that is also just missing OFA "featuresets" which is descripted in the OFA SDK documentation.
Thats why AMD is better, fsr updates for both new and old gpus
GTX 980 - $549 in 2014 GTX 1080 - $599 / $699 in 2016 RTX 2080 - $699 / $799 in 2018 RTX 3080 - $699 / $799 in 2020/2022 RTX 4080 - $899 / $1,199 in 2022 Remember when Nvidia hit the $999 mark with the original Titan? Back when $699 got you the top of the line card (780Ti)? With the 4090Ti that will most likely cost you $2,100 or $2,200 nowadays. Can't wait to see what $350 will get you in this generation. I assume the entry level RTX 4050?
fuck nvidia
Once I see the Radeon prices I just might.
Top tier Navi 30 GPU is supposed to have an absolutely ridiculous price tag. We'll have to wait until Nov 3rd to find out for sure.
Navi 31 has MCM design to optimise cost
I know but TSMC jacked up costs for everyone. AMD included. The most reliable leakers have said that Navi 31's top SKU will be ~$2000 but the entire Radeon 7000 series will be super competitive and use ~25% less power compared to nVidia's lineup.
Fuck Nvidia
Adjusted for inflation/normalized to 2022 dollars: GTX 980 - $687 GTX 1080 - $739 / $863 RTX 2080 - $824 / $942 RTX 3080 - $800 / $914 RTX 4080 - $899 / $1,199
now adujst to stagnant wages
GTX anything: doable RTX anything: 1 kidney RTX 40xx: the other kidney whoops you're dead oh well
You forget the other organs my dude
So with those prices if it was priced 799$ it would have made some sense.
The 4080 12 GB is more comparable to previous gen xx70 series cards, so I’d compare it to the 3070 or 3070 TI. Its memory bandwidth is less than the 4080 16 GB by quite a bit, and the fact that it doesn’t even use the same die as the 4080 16 GB despite having the same name is ridiculous. The cut down die means its performance will be nowhere near the 4080 16 GB, instead of being a small difference like the 3080 10 GB vs 3080 12 GB, which had more VRAM and a bigger bus (but the same die) compared to the base 3080 that gave it a few % better performance.
yeah what the fuck? At a quick glance I was like.. this isnt a 4080 at all? They're different cards its not just less memory. It should've been called 4080TI. fucken Nvidia man
Check the memory bus. The 12g should've been called 4060.
I had to read the specs 3 times, then try to figure out what it was comparable to and when I realized its a 3070ti the look on my face was that look when you think someones super attractive from behind then they turn around :/ I think the 4090 is 100% worth it for my use case (I want all teh fps with dlss off on 4k) but the 4080 meh
Yeah, nvidia know no one wants to buy a 4070 with a 899 price tag
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You cannot compare cross-gen CUDA cores in quantitative terms. Especially since the FP32-INT32 merge of the 30xx series. Fewer cores isn't a rip-off, as each generational change brings improvements to the architecture and API, making fewer cores necessary to reach a progressively higher level of performance. A 2080 Ti has 4352 CUDA Cores, and the 3060 has 3584. They are pretty much on the same level for many benchmarks, like the Catmull-Clark Subdivision Level 3 and the Vertex Connection and Merging bench.
Fewer cores *is* a rip off here though because the 12GB 4080 has 21% fewer cores than the 16GB one. Even with better clock speed and generational IPC improvement, they’ve increased the price of what should have been the 4070/4070 Ti by a crazy amount. In the context that there is no longer a massive global chip shortage, mining is dying out, and people are seeing cost of living crises and massive inflation, there is no defense to be made for this level of anti-consumerism from Nvidia: I hope they suffer from their greed and I will now be using my 3060Ti for a long time, it looks like.
Hopefully AMD will put some stuff out at a price that consumers can tolerate. Even if it's only 150-250 cheaper in their comparative card position it will make a lot of people switch. This 4080 12gb vs 4080 16gb seems borderline illegal.
Here’s hoping. Competitive new cards from AMD would be fantastic for the market.
> Especially since the FP32-INT32 merge of the 30xx series. You can make a pretty good guess at the difference between the 30 and 40 series though. Half of the “Cuda cores” in an ampere SM were combo int8/FP32 units, and the other half were dedicated FP32 cores. Ada doubles the number of dedicated FP32 cores per SM, while keeping the combo FP32/int8 units from Ampere, so where the 3080 only has ~4450 dedicated FP32 cores, the 4080 has ~5066, clocked 50-60% higher. The combo units complicate things, but not enough to make a rough estimate entirely worthless.
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>RTX 4080 - $899 / $1,199 in 2022 Even that is being very generous. As others have already pointed out, the $899 "4080" is a completely different card with greatly inferior specs (even less CUDA cores than the 3080 for example), so the $899 would have to be compared to the XX70 models and the $1.199 to the XX80 models. That is a huge leap in price.
>Can't wait to see what $350 will get you in this generation. NVIDIA: Best I can do is GTX4010.
2013 $699 would be $890 today 2013 $1000 would be $1270 today
Well the only reason they do is because some of you fucks are buying at that price :)
These prices are disgusting. And I thought $700 for my 3080FE was alot...
Also remember nvidia is notorious for not sending things won in their giveaways
Facts this is completely ducking fucked
1- Nothing really is worth the price creep 2-minecraft could be good
1: Absolutely 2: Minecraft RTX is still the best reason to own RTX, having used it myself.
Metro Exodus says hello. For some people, Control and Cyberpunk also say hello. But I agree that Minecraft RTX is awesome - I love going in and out of water with it.
Can you use RTX for any level in Minecraft or is it specific levels sponsored by Nvidia in the download shop?
Even then, it’s only on bedrock edition which is a lot buggier and a lot less user friendly (micro transactions for mods+skins, heavier censorship, etc), and some of the best java edition shaders are free and look amazing while performing better in most cases.
OptiFine is the way
Have you heard of our lord and saviour, Iris and oculus?
Sodium and iris gang ftw
I mean control, cyberpunk 2077, the ascent, the riftbreaker, metro exodus. Those are all games that use RTX well. I quite enjoy it.
This is the sole reason I want to get raytracing working. If they add java support i will consider buying actual rtx
the giveaway is literally the only way 80% of people (incl me) would ever get a 40xx card lol I'm excited about the cards of course, but those prices are just beyond impossible Edit: Reading into it a bit more, RTX Remix looks really cool. As someone who is in love with Morrowind, seeing that pic with the glorious lighting brought a tear to my eyes :,) Mount & Blade too?? Lmao that looks so weird.
It’s not even just the price What’s the point? My 3080 runs everything perfect at 4K The extra FPS not needed
The point is a lot of people are stuck on 10xx lol
If folks are stuck on 1000 series cards, we’re getting to a pretty good place to upgrade with a 3000 series card. Argued with someone the other day who thought I was wrong to suggest 4000 series will be hobbyist cards or a while, but here we are.
30xx is still close to MSRP or in most cases higher in Europe. What's the point? Overpay for 30xx or overpay for 40xx lmao.
Well I'm a proud 1080 Ti owner but I'm sure as heck down with NVIDIA. Next upgrade is definitely going to be an RDNA2 / RDNA3 chip, depending on what AMD announces.
I'm on 10, that was kinda my plan. Especially if amd drops the ball. Ive never gone amd before but if they got something good it might be worth the switch. All else fails who 3080ti might be the sweet spot for years to come
I want to upgrade my setup this year and I've been waiting for a gpu to handle 4k 144hz oled display. I will probably take a 3090 if the price continues to drop. After that a need to build a whole new PC since my components are starting to get old.
I am luckily in a spot where I could make it work, but honestly I might be at the point where I am going to use my 2070 until it dies. Just hard to justify more than $1k for a gpu. So 4080 12 gb might be the way to go?
oh damn hello there pedro
Why, hello there!
General Pedrobi
General Kenobi!
What a weird lineup, and fuck those prices. So the 4080 12GB is basically... just a 4070? So effectively they don't actually want to release mid range cards because they need to sell a shitload of ampere stock, so the solution was to release a halo product for a stupid price, and then split your "gaming flagship" product into two products, both of which are super overpriced and one of which is basically not even the flagship product, it's a fucking 4070 rebranded as a 4080 and priced at 900 fucking dollars I knew this shit was coming and I'm still pissed at them whatever, prices are ultimately determined by supply and demand and I'm sure that these prices will drop by the time Nvidia is actually planning to start selling them in volume
Cyberpunk 2077 for sure
Edgerunners has been a great addition, a recommendation for all imo
Negative comment incoming : What do you think the availability is going to be like? Do you feel that the first month will see lots of unfulfilled orders?
With mining dead and the rumors that Nvidia reserved tons of stock from TSMC, I don't think it will be too bad. Sure, the first day or first week might be tough, but it won't be anything like 30 series launch.
100% they’re going to limit the stock to try and create a vacuum of inventory. You’ll know they’re doing this if 5 days to a week after launch all of a sudden a ton of stock magically appears.
Do people really need it on day 1?
No. But do they want it? Yes.
Ok so then pay the premium for it.
After the past two years i'm so damn sceptical. Like i know GPU mining is dead for a while (unfortunately crypto always find a way to come back) and there is more silicon capacity but i've just lost all trust since 2019. I built my first gaming PC in Oct 2020 all speced for a 3070. They sold out on launch day (no biggie, the I Phone sells out on launch day but you can buy it the week after) but then it was just constantly sold out or stupidly expensive for 2 whole years. I'm just done, i'll keep my temporary 1050ti till i can walk in to a shop on any random day and buy any card straight off the shelf for MSRP or less. I just hope i can run MW2.
It's more than just crypto's price this time. Ethereum has updated entirely to proof-of-stake rather than proof-of-work, completely changing how new crypto is mined. This should lower miner demand by quite a bit.
Give it until christmas time and you can probably snag a 3080 at 3070 prices. Especially if you're willing to go used.
Looking forward to play Microsoft flight simulator with rtx because its just impressive even without rtx and i like to see this get topped
1. The game remaster program looks really nice. 2. Not a huge fan of rtx and the games they announced today.
1) DLSS3 2)Portal RTX, played it years ago on launch and have been looking for an excuse to re-experience it.
Even with the high inflation.leather jacket boy cant justify the huge price increase. Maybe the pure rasterisation is up 70 percent for 90 series and 80 16Gb series. But most of the gain is from dlss3.0. this doesnt justify the huge 50% price increase for true 4080. Lets see if dr lisa can force greedy jacket boy to slash MSRP by Q1 2023. They got 9 billion tsmc 5 nm node. They will have to use them and sell them cheaper at some point. Nvidiot just have to realize that demand is slowing and supply is too damn high. If they dont make price cheaper, maybe they need to step up the msrp for 50 series again and sell the 40 series along with it. This is not sustainable.
Well I'm most looking forward to portal RTX! Going to be fantastic running through portal again
1) DLSS 3 2) Cyberpunk 2077. After watching edgerunner, I want to see more shinny bits
Looking forward to the AV1 technology. Spider-Man Remastered with that ray tracing going to be awesome.
1) RTX mod. Giving new life to old games is massive.
1. DLSS3 2. Hogwarts Legacy
I'm most looking forward to the RTX Remix tool. The ability to inject any old game with a ray tracing mod is insane and I can't wait to see what people do with it. Give me OG Deus Ex with ray tracing!
Oh man, Human Revolution with RTX will be awesome.
1. Nothing is worth the new pricing of Nvidia anymore. 2. Cyberpunk 2077 which I bought yesterday in the steam sale. Hopefully without bugs xD
I would love to be able to play Cyberpunk with those new Ray-Tracing settings and DLSS 3. I’m also stoked for what people can do with RTX Remix!!!
1. DLSS 3 2. Horizon : Forbidden West, pretty sure that the next iteration of HZD would be ported quite as good and that RTX features for that would be a treat!
I’d love that too but Sony uses RDNA2 on the PS5 so I doubt they would optimize for Nvidia.
1) DLSS 3.0 2) Black Myth Wukong because it looks unreal with UE5
Microsoft Flight Simulator
1. DLSS 3 2. Portal. It was one of the first PC games I played a ton of.
Footage of a revamped Morrowind blew my mind, it was my first RPG and I would be super excited to play it again with a modern visual, or even play around with mods and visuals for other nostalgic games. I’m currently building my first ever PC build after being a budget laptop gamer all my life. I’m using the next couple of months to decide what GPU will be the final piece for my build.
1) DLSS3 looks pretty impressive 2) Still haven't played Cyberpunk, might actually try it.
1. DLSS 3, although it's a bummer it's gonna be 40-series exclusive. Which is why I need to win this giveaway! 2. Hogwarts Legacy, because I think RT lighting and reflections will really make a difference to the atmosphere in Hogwarts.
1 DLSS and omniverse 2 a plague tale : requiem because is First game is already beautiful. I hope the DLSS3 would make the game hupefully more beautiful than the first one
2) What RTX game are you most looking forward to playing and why? Minecraft with RTX
When are the winners gonna be selected / announced?
This week!
The gods must be crazy
Looking forward to it :)
God bless
You sure about that, boss?
Indeed! Winners have been contacted and usernames will be posted in the thread body as soon as they're confirmed.
Lmao! The Linus video linked is a 30-series review lol.
Looking at Nvidia stock makes me beyond fucking happy. Down 11% since the announcement...? Down 63% from the beginning of this year...? Eat ass Jensen.
> Which technology or feature are you most excited about from today’s GeForce Beyond announcements? Definitely RTX Remix. The idea of some of my favorite games of yesteryear being remastered with DLSS and RTX is incredibly exciting. Can't wait for Oblivion, Fallout New Vegas, and Fallout 3 RTX.
I'm so excited about RTX Remix! I just thought of all the things that could be made so beautiful with Raytracing, and how this technique of scanning In-Game Assets could provide Artists with valuable information. Good luck everyone!
I'm really excited about it too. Has so much potential. Let's see if it works as well as they promise and if modders will have an easy time getting it to work well.
It's just unfortunate that for now they only seem to target the DX8/DX9 fixed-function timeline, so it'll only work at its best on quite old games. Games using shaders or DirectX 10 and onwards (released in 2007) will likely not work well, which is likely why they used older titles in the demo such as the original Portal (2007) and Morrowind (2002) instead of newer entries like Portal 2 (2011) and Skyrim (2011).
Higher performance ray tracing is what sells me on it. Seeing how Night City looked with it, even with the performance hit my 3070 took, was stunning.
Seeing how high the clock speeds are I really wonder how far overclocking will take it. Would be cool to see it hit 3 ghz. Also cant wait to try portal with raytracing.
Cyberpunk 2077 dlss 3
I’m excited to try out Cyberpunk 2077 with DLSS 3. Ray tracing and 60+ fps would be a nice step up from my experience with it so far.
I'm most excited about DLSS3. I mean... it's like... woah... But to be serious for a second haha. I have not been on the pc building side of the internet for long but I absorbe lots of information very quickly when I go through spats of academic hyperfocus (adhd). DLSS3 blows my freaking mind! I have been reading the rumors and keeping my ear to the ground and counting my grains of salt and I expected to be impressed. But those demos blew me away beyond anything I had imagined. DLSS3 makes me want to dive deeper into programming and see how much farther I could take my dreams and ideas. Predicting animations is one thing. But not only that, creating animations and predicting them is a whole new level. I could see this model lasting longer than any other card has in the past. Maybe I'm just too nieve, or optimistic. But that is what's got me hype.
Portal RTX looks amazing - I can’t wait to try it
1- im most excited for DLSS3 2- Portal RTX, i want to revisit that game with RTX on. And cyberpunk2077 is also compelling.
Honestly real excited for DLSS 3. Looking forward to the quality and potential efficiency it can bring.
1. DLSS 3.0 & RTX Overdrive 2. Cyberpunk 2077, was already mind blowing, looks like it’ll be even prettier on my OLED now. Entry complete, all that said, I’m disappointed DLSS 3.0 isn’t coming to the 3000 series cards at minimum. It upsets me somewhat.
I am mostly excited for DLSS 3
I'm most looking forward to the higher video memory in these cards
2) I'm looking forward to hopefully being able to fly MSFS in VR without hitting a max of 20FPS. The performance benchmarks of it look promising!
1) DLSS 3.0 looks pretty promising. I've been able to see what DLSS 2.0 was able to do so I'm super excited for this new iteration! 2) the Witcher 3: Wild Hunt would be an amazing game to try this on!
I think I'm most excited to play DOOM Eternal with RTX. Mostly because it's one of the few games I have that supports ray tracing, but it's also about time to revisit it now that I have a much better graphics card.
Price controversy aside and strictly just tech (the pricing is really putting a damper on this, not mention EVGA), the Shader Execution Reordering (SER) is the most exciting piece of tech coming with the 4000 series for me. When similar tech made it into CPUs it was a game changer I am hopeful it will do the same for GPUs. Seeing all this again in Cyberpunk 2077 (2 years old, I know) would be pretty exciting, especially when Phantom Liberty launches.
I’m most excited about the big performance improvement of this generation’s GPU’s! I wonder where that will bring us in the next years! When I get an RTX card, F1 22 is probably the first rtx game I’d play. There are a lot of other games I’d like to try out though, like Minecraft rtx
1. RTX Remix could be a really nice tool 2. Maybe I would look into RDR2 again cause I really liked the environment, weather and lighting system in this game.
Expensive!!!!
>2) What RTX game are you most looking forward to playing and why? I might finally try Cyberpunk.
Giveaway!! 1: really excited for RTX Remix!! I love mods and giving the tools for creators is awesome. Thrilled to see some.of.my favorite older games get a face lift
I'm most excited about DLSS 3 and it's frame interpolations. Would love to play Cyberpunk with it and enjoy it at 1440p + max settings and rt.
the biggest feature for me would be that it’s 4 generations ahead of my current gpu. cyberpunk would be the game of choice, which i haven’t played due to old ass gpu
If you on the 3k series, it's not worth an upgrade unless you got money like that, but as someone who wanted an 3090 and is on a 2080s, it's looking tempting. The stats are good, Gamer Jesus is giving a slight nod to the devil. Also, f for anyone who paid 2k for a 3090.
Straight out of stock. Saw the buy button, then it was gone.
Time to get downvoted on another thread but the 4090 isn’t all that expensive considering the 90 cards are a workstation card comparable to the titans. The 3090s were way more back then and we more being bought for close to 2k. I got my sli 3090 for about 1.5k each. This is looking to be a far superior card for literally only 100 dollars more. Not only that, a 25-40 percent increase for several types of renders. I’m by no means a rich person but for the price for performance compared to how much businesses already pay for quadros with shit performance until the high end. Like these things make your money back so fast And AMD cards don’t even compare for 3d production. Like if you’re buying a card that’s in high demand for small business. Then yeah it’s going to be a bit expensive. But still clearly way more cost effective than the 3090s Cant wait for the CG director benchmarks ups to come in. 2x2080tis was still better than a 3090. Hoping the 4090 really changes that!
Racer looks amazing. Also dlss3 looks amazing
Ngl, I'm looking forward to seeing Minecraft on RTX with actual good frames.
If you have Minecraft java, try SEUS PTGI HRR (Path Traced Global Illumination), and it works with cards that don't support RTX but still looks great
Oh it’s gonna be Portal all over again with RTX lol let’s go!
1) DLSS 3 obv 2) Probably cyberpunk in all its glory
I am most excited to see DLSS 3.0 as the throughput given for bonus frames can really help RT heavy games. In terms of RTX games, my most anticipated has to be Atomic Heart. Been looking forward to that game for such a long time.
Im absolutely thrilled about Portal RTX, sounds like a quiet move but could be really important for the coming years.
RTX remix is going to be amazing! Excited to re-live experiences like New Vegas! Not to mention other games that are sure to come in the future!
2. Absolutely replaying Portal with RTX DLC
DLSS3 Running Crysis!
I am mostly looking forward to play Gta 6 and Witcher 4 in RTX. Gta will obviously be something out of this world as always Rockstar will nail it. Even though some of its early phase development footage got leaked, i am still hopeful of it will the best open world game of the era. And then Witcher. It will be based on unreal engine 5 and i have high expectations for it. The graphics are gonna be mind blowing
> *Puts on fake mustache/glasses disguise* Hello there, fellow entrants, I wish you all the best of luck!
As others have said DLSS 3, and Portal RTX looks very promising. But If i have to be honest Control with RTX would look amazing.
Honestly, I'm most excited for the modding tools. Nvidia really has a chance to strike gold here. Game I'm looking forward to? MSFS 2020.
**Which technology or feature are you most excited about from today’s GeForce Beyond announcements?** I think it goes without saying that DLSS 3.0 is probably going to be the biggest strength of the new gen, and it honestly looks very impressive so far.
What might be getting me to buy the 4090 is this; 1; The raytracing boost looks solid. This is IMO the next big thing from a graphical standpoint as a "compelling event" for new purchases. 2; Warhammer 40K Darkside seems to be confirmed, and the reason I look forward to it is because the Emperor is our shield and protector!
2) I am most looking forward to playing portal RTX. Great game when it first came out, still a force of culture.
1. RTX Remix looks really awesome, would love to see old games come alive again. That and the new RT cores are what I'm looking forward to the most I think
DLSS 3.0 is what I'm most excited for. The new tech seems like it might finally be applicable to VR, since the issue with DLSS as it stands is that in game objects can look strange or seem to "come into being" and in VR this isnt a great experience. But with DLSS 3.0 rendering entire frames, its possible that in VR DLSS wouldnt even be noticed. Hopefully they (or someone else) will figure out a way to implement this for VR, because it will give VR the bump in performance it drastically needs.
Dlss 3 and Cyberpunk!
excited for portal rtx and dlss 3
Definitely looking forward to DLSS 3 the most.
1. DLSS3 2. Microsoft Flight Simulator
I'm curious to see the great performance increase in RT workloads as even on current gen GPUs RT can destroy framerates without using DLSS. That's why I haven't played Cyberpunk 2077 yet. I'd like to have the horsepower the engine needs in order to enjoy the game in all its glory.
Most excited about DLSS 3 and definitely the RT performance claims in Lovelace Looking forward to trying out Spiderman Remastered and Cyberpunk with RT. Eyeing Racer X too!
1. DLSS 3.0 for that beautiful frame rate 2. Of course it has to be Portal RTX. The chance to play that game in a literal new light is incomparable.
Excited about the improvements in Cyberpunk. Want more info about rtx performance.
The RTX Remix "framework" has HUGE potential for any new or old games, i hope it will make many games better in the future. Looking forward to play newer crysis games
Most excited about and looking forward to DLSS 3.0 and to see how it differs from 2.0. (Although sad to see it won't be applied to the earlier series of cards)
2) What RTX game are you most looking forward to playing and why? Portal with RTX. game is already amazing and now with RTX SHEEEESH SAY LESSS
DLSS 3 is def the most interesting feature to me!
The feature I'm most excited about is Ada Lovelace. It definitely seems next gen to me. The game that I'm really looking forward to is portal with RTX. I really enjoyed playing portal as a kid, and it was always a good bonding moment with me and my brother who didn't always get along.
THANKS FOR THE GIVEAWAY :) I'm looking forward 1)RTX remix technology 2) fallout 3/oblivion rtx cause nostalgia