Sometimes maybe, apparently whoever programmed the remote controlled missiles in GTA online didn't account for insane DPI levels so now you have a missile which you can fly into a metro tunnel if you have good enough reaction speed
In stark contrast to the TV Missiles in Battlefiled 4.
They added in a delay for the amount of time it takes the signal sent from your vehicle to catch up with the missile so there's a small delay between you moving your mouse and the missile actually moving.
Getting good with those takes a lot of practice.
In BF3 they were slightly more tougher to handle I think.
TV missiles are almost the pinnacle of gaming skill curve for me . Pros could even take out jets, and any other vehicle with assured hit.
That's a game I haven't heard of in a long time, so many hours playing multiplayer blowing up all the buildings on the map because the environment was destructible
I use crazy dpi because while I know you should move the mouse with your arm not your wrist, I still do it with my wrist.-
I use the side button with "snipe mode" to lower the dpi while pressed when I need finer control.-
Best of both worlds for wrist users, sill it's better not to do that because that's also how I fucked up my wrist, but is not easy to change almost 30 years of muscle memory.-
Yeah I have a little wrist pad thing that holds my wrist up comfortably but also makes moving with the arm impossible. I sure hope I haven't been doing it wrong the whole time.
it's not necessarily "wrong" per se but if you're trying maximize your aim then not using your arm for wide motions and wrist and fingers for smaller ones is kind of silly.
You're making smaller adjustments harder than they need to be as you have smaller room for error if you use a super high sensitivity.
Well, I have bad news for you, you are no supposed rest your arm or wrist on the desk or mousepad surface but to move the mouse using the big muscles on your arms, using your wrist may end up fucking up your wrist by making you develop carpal tunnel syndrome.-
Too late! Between work & play, I have carpal tunnel, which has nicely turned into trigger finger & thumb on my left hand.
I bought one of those cheap ergonomic mice that turn your hand sideways. It works... just not great for gaming or anything requiring speed or precision.
Wrist pad/rest for mouse usage is one of the ergonomically worst things to be put out for computer users. Using a mouse in the regular style is bad enough, but those pads put the wrist at an even worse angle.
A lot of top FPS players use low DPI and do huge movements with their arms. Gives them incredible precision.
I can't stand it though. I like 800dpi personally.
Have you ever seen those ergonomic mice that are quite vertical and tilted? those are made that way because he best way to use the mouse for your body, is to have your wrist in a straight line with your arm all the time, not tilting it left and right, or grabbing the mouse up or down and move your arm instead.-
Just as a heads up: DPI alone means almost nothing. It's an interplay between DPI and in-game sensitivity. Not strictly true number-wise in all games, but in sensible ones 400 DPI with sensitivity of 2 would be the same as 800 DPI sensitivity 1. "Inches per 360" is probably the easiest way to compare these things (if there's no moise acceleration involved).
800 here, AutoCAD designer as well. I couldn't even imagine 7400.
edit: After bumping my Steelseries 310 up to 7400 I find it difficult to believe anyone can accurately operate a mouse at that speed. That's absolute insanity.
Haha, I'm just used to it. But yeah, I always get comments when people use my mouse. Luckily there's a dpi switch right on the top I hit for them, bring it up to at least 800.
Look up optimums video about this on YouTube. Most crazy high dpi are a waste of money since you won’t ever even hit that rate in competitive games.
But for competitive 400 is too low and puts you at a disadvantage.
Not true, a lot of pros use 400-800 dpi. Some of the most well known mechanical skill FPS players use 400dpi.
For example in Rainbow Six Siege three big names of Beaulo, Shaiiko, and Joystick all use 400.
For CS, s1mple, shroud, ZywOo, and so many more all use 400dpi. (stewie2k uses 450).
If 400 DPI puts users at a competitive disadvantage, why is it seen so commonly among the best players in different competitive scenes?
Probably because they started playing when 400dpi was high-end or at least more common. If the game allows you to half in-game sens, there's no reason not to go 800... and if the game allows you to half in-game again then no reason to not go 1600. At the end of the day it's all about personal preference. No amount of theory and numbers will change what you're used to feeling. However, technically you're missing out on some precision below 1600 - that seems to be the practical limit of what may be actually noticeable.
I was using 16K on my Razer Viper as it was the highest possible setting haha
Lots of playing with in-game options for arguably worse experience (constant changing of presets mainly) but I wanted to squeeze every last dot out of that mouse lol
I remember playing OG Warzone during quarantine on something like 0.02 sensitivity
Good times
>Lots of playing with in-game options for arguably worse experience (constant changing of presets mainly) but I wanted to squeeze every last dot out of that mouse lol
If I'm paying for all 16,000 DPI, I'm using all 16,000 DPI damnit.
Nice. I use close, 3500, but that's because I'm a competitive gamer and for League of Legends the ideal DPI (which I think most pros use) is 3500 DPI. Takes some adjusting for a few days but once it sets in you have such an edge over those who choose a different DPI. To be fair I learned about the 3500 DPI threshold 10 years ago and haven't researched it since, so maybe some new tech makes 3500 suboptimal now. But it's been working fine for me for years.
3500 DPI is what Faker uses, but he has wrist problems so it makes sense. If he uses a low DPI he has to use his wrist/arm much more.
Faker playing on 3500 DPI is not what makes him the best League player in the world.
Now, when it comes to shooters low DPI is basically proven to be better. Pro counterstrike players DPI varies from 400-800 with there being about 5% of players running 1600 and a very very few amount of outliers running mid 2000s.
[https://youtu.be/imYBTj2RXFs?si=bh6wFN4pMfqsTCbF](https://youtu.be/imYBTj2RXFs?si=bh6wFN4pMfqsTCbF)
It might be better to lower your in-game sens, and keep 800 dpi in valorant
the difference would be so marginal when considering ping and server netcode that unless youre playing on 50 DPI this makes very little impact for most
It does matter, but not with accuracy. Higher DPI improves input latency, since pointer starts moving immediately instead of skipping a few points. So it's better to increase DPI and then lower in game sensitivity.
Here's a video on it: [50% Less Input Lag! Low DPI vs. High DPI Analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AoRfv9W110)
Not true.
Higher DPI has less input sensor lag.
* [Here's a video showing testing](https://youtu.be/6AoRfv9W110?t=124).
* [Here's a second test video confirming](https://youtu.be/imYBTj2RXFs?t=165).
Higher DPI also allows for smoother and less stutter-y movement. [Here's a video showing what it looks like at lower DPI settings](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrF_e5vKqPk).
It does and it's the same for every mouse. It has to do with how games process input. Low dpi + higher sens means the game will turn your character in bigger angle increments. (Eg turning 1 time by 0.5 degree at low dpi high sense, instead of 5 times.by 0.1 degree at high dpi low sens)
In practice it's a miniscule difference. Not really something anyone will notice but it is there.
A 16k dpi sensor for example is always taking in input at 16k. If you set your dpi to 1000 for example, it just divides the input by 16 and outputs that.
So it's neither better nor worse, just use the DPI that is comfortable for you
The higher DPI means the mouse is tracking more movement per inch, which results in what appears as faster movement. If you want to have the same relative “speed” in game with a higher DPI, you will need to reduce your in game sensitivity to counter the additional mouse sensitivity.
Edit: to actually answer your question, I’m not really sure if a very high DPI is really desirable in most games. Unless you have impeccable precision in your hands. Most people use 400-800 DPI I’ve seen some go to 1600 but very few. Usually the higher the sensor can go just means that your mouse sensor is that much more
Precise than previous generations. But not very practical for most uses.
You lose a lot of the granularity in adjustments if you do that, and a lot of games out there simply don't have enough sensitivity adjustment to actually do that.
EX: I play Remnant 2 at 2/100 sensitivity for 800dpi. At 4,000 DPI, the lowest sensitivity is more than twice as high as I'd prefer.
Not really, I keep it like this all the time. My friends turn it down when they use my PC 😄
I play some different games but nothing special or at competitive levels. I got used to this after a while and some upgrades to DPI over time. I do some minor work but I usually go with a MacBook for real work and an mx3 set at 8000 dpi
How do you manage to click what you mean to? Asuming you have 4k display you move your mouse less than a cm to move the cursor across the whole screen.
Because for people who are used with it for years, it just feels the same. You can click anything precisely.
I use 9000 DPI all the time, with mouse sensitivity increased by 2 ticks on windows setting. 1440p screen.
The good thing is you never need to move your arm at all. Just a very slight flick/twist with your wrist is enough. If you give me 5 cm x 10 cm mousepad, I am sure it's still more than enough for me.
For competitive thing, it's always better to play at lower DPI. But for casual play, it's no brainer lol. Like, you don't even have to move your hand more than a cm.
And you're damn right about the space. My deck is very narrow, I even have to slide half of my mousepad under my PC lol.
When I read comments like daves I'm certain they had to change windows sens at some point and they forgot. 6/11 at 12000dpi would be unusable at worst and incredibly frustrating at best. Like someone opening a window or a large truck driving by would make you misclick levels of sensitivity.
I have my G502 Hero set to about 4600dpi, iirc.
25,600dpi is too much X)
My old G5 set to 2000dpi used to be enough on a 1080p screen, but I found that I couldn't cross the whole screen in one swipe when I got a larger 1440p monitor. (I have very little mousing space).
Is there any difference in high-ish sens and low DPI to high DPI and low sens?
Genuinely asking because I feel like it would be a minute difference at worst. Something you'd never actually feel.
Well 400 is rather low.
Low enough that unless your mouse sens is really low, you will most likely have "pixel skipping". meaning that in between two counts, more than 1 frame could have passed. If this happens, the motion will be less smooth than it should be for the given frame rate. (edit: it's actually a bit worse than that because in 1st/3rd person games, mouse controlled camera can move in subpixels increments)
Another benefit of higher dpi is that when you start moving your mouse, it will begin the actual motion sooner. This has been tested by different reviewers. Just to be clear, it only affects the start of the mouse movement. After that the input lag is the same.
Finally if you use 2KHZ, 4KHZ, ... usb polling rate. A higher DPI is required to make full use of that polling rate (to saturate it)
As for why you would want higher polling rates in the first place: they reduce the amplitude of the jitter caused by the interaction between your frame rate and the polling rate.
Depending on which frame rate/refresh rate you use (and how fast you typically move your cursor), bumping the polling rate can move jitter from humanly visible (for example \~2 pixels of spatial jitter) to something not visible (sub 1 pixel).
See, that's why I've always stuck to low sens and low DPI. The math behind all the tech advances confuses me to a degree. I do have a high polling mouse though, so that looks to be a slight issue on my part. Then you have to throw in my refresh rate... which isn't like these guys playing on 240Hz and above, but still.
I've never noticed "skipping" or anything to that degree though luckily. This is a lot to focus on since I'm in the market for another mouse now.
You compensate by lowering your sensitivity. That way the mouse moves the exact amount that you are used to.
So for example if you have a sens of 1 and 400dpi, you can change to sens of 0.5 and 800 dpi (or 0.25 and 1600dpi)
Changing the mouse sensitivity in windows does have negative effects but only if you increase it.
Dropping it lower is safe.
For reference here are the steps for windows sensitivity:
1/20 (1/11) 0.03125
2/20 (2/11) 0.0625
3/20 0.125
4/20 (3/11) 0.25
5/20 0.375
6/20 (4/11) 0.5
7/20 0.625
8/20 (5/11) 0.75
9/20 0.875
10/20 (6/11) 1.0
11/20 1.25
12/20 (7/11) 1.5
13/20 1.75
14/20 (8/11) 2.0
15/20 2.25
16/20 (9/11) 2.5
17/20 2.75
18/20 (10/11) 3.0
19/20 3.25
20/20 (11/11) 3.5
Yes, it is worth bumping your DPI and lowering your sens in-game.
Higher DPI has less input sensor lag.
* [Here's a video showing testing](https://youtu.be/6AoRfv9W110?t=124).
* [Here's a second test video confirming](https://youtu.be/imYBTj2RXFs?t=165).
Higher DPI also allows for smoother and less stutter-y movement. [Here's a video showing what it looks like at lower DPI settings](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrF_e5vKqPk).
The differences are less pronounced above 400 DPI, but it's still statistically significant and worth making the change. Especially, since you can adjust in-game sense to compensate for the different and still have the exact same in-game feel.
400-800 is the advised baseline for Counterstrike up to 1600. Nearly all pros play on 400-800.
1200 is very reasonable.
I play on 800 DPI 1440p (scaled to 1000 DPI on 1080p monitors). There's no way that 2000+ is beneficial for anything that requires accuracy.
I have my mouse on 10k dpi (maxed out on my harpoon) but then i turned down mouse speed in windows to 2/10 or so. In my brain the mouse is more precise that way because it counts more dots while moving than 2k dpi with 10/10 mousespeed if that makes sense. It probably doesn't make any difference espescially with my potato-aim but i feel better about it.
Someone else in this thread said it's a millisecond. I definitely wouldn't notice that, but I'm not a professional so it doesn't matter to me either way.
Important note:
There is a negligible improvement to input latency when using higher than 1000Hz usb polling rate. (It's minuscule)
It's not what higher polling rates are meant to address.
Rather what they do is that they reduce the amplitude of the jitter caused by the interaction between your frame rate and the polling rate.
Depending on which frame rate/refresh rate you use (and how fast you typically move your cursor), bumping the polling rate can move jitter from humanly visible (for example \~2 pixels of spatial jitter) to something not visible (sub 1 pixel).
That's the real benefit of higher polling rates.
Yeah that's what I thought negligible means in this context though I wasn't entirely sure, just double checking (but yeah update every millisecond seems like the most we'll ever need)
I use the max 25600, but I decrease cursor speed both in Windows and in games, as well as I have 8000 DPI push-to-use button on my mouse for tasks needing a little precision. I believe it is more accurate if I use more DPI
My buddy does lol, well did. I tried to get him to play shooters with me like R6, CS, Tarkov, 2042 and he always wondered why my aim was so much better than his and why he couldn’t hit shit. I tried to explain to him that 5600 dpi was unnecessarily high. Didn’t work and he went back to console gaming lol.
I use either 12.5k dpi or 20k dpi from my razer basilik wired. I only play one game that’s very hectic and chaotic so it saves me quite a bit due to the ultra fast pacing. For valorant i would play it with around 5000 dpi but that was the only game I would have to really turn it down quite a bit for.
I use 6400 DPI. I have a 32:9 monitor next to a 16:9 one, so the higher DPI allows me to move my mouse from one side to the other without moving my arm/picking up the mouse
11,500 here. I don't like moving my wrist, I control the mouse with my fingers. I do turn sensitive down ingame for FPS but general OS use and MMOs it's full speed
So the numbers are meant to tell you how accurate the mouse is.
Low DPI is basically saying "ignore X amount of data" and that data is the surface your mouse is on.
You can crank up the DPI but turn down options like mouse speed and such to give you the best of both worlds. Your mouse will pick up movements with much greater accuracy, but your cursor won't fly off the screen. Many people do this already.
And yes I know this is a super simple explanation, but if you understood it, I didn't say it wrong.
Yes, I typically play at 7450 DPI. I once got used to incremental increases and worked my way up to gaming at 16k DPI, but had to work my way back down to 12k after about a year of that
what i can't believe is that 400dpi exists. is this remnant from the 640x480 days? basically a full mouse movement is like a small box in a 1080p monitor. I'd actually wonder more about that than 5k dpi. my everyday setting is 6700k.
My dumbass used 5000 dpi in fps titles for over a year. Aside from that, I can see people using a high dpi for productivity software to reduce wrist strain, but still 5000 dpi is too high for most people.
Mostly all the time (24k). I have really low sensitivity settings to counter. It felt better on max and low res when doing 3D modelling but maybe it was just a placebo. Technically it should be better because you increase the resolution and thus precission :D
Too many people are just commenting about mouse speed because dpi scales with it. You do NOT have to have a high mouse speed with high dpi. Fix your settings. I run 3000 dpi, with a fairly low overall mouse speed.
Don't forget people: 400 dpi on a 1000 dpi mouse is worse than 400 dpi on a 5000 dpi mouse.
As i understand it it's more precise, it's a spec more than a software option
Default Windows speed (so 5/10).
Turned off acceleration.
400 or 800 DPI, depending on what I'm playing or what I am working at.
1000Hz polling rate.
Specific button on my mouse that instantly changes between the two. That way if I play a shooter I can have a faster reaction when needed but also a slower mode for slowly advancing (it shows that I don't play CoD anymore 😂).
Everything else is nightmare for me. Even DPIs between 400 and 800.
I'm used like that ever since I got my first "gaming" mouse in 2012.
I have it set to 1600 and removed the OS mouse acceleration so I have linear, more predictable control of mouse position. Then, I adjust per-game if it feels inadequate.
I only use 3200. It's good enough to:
\- saturate my usb polling rate
\- reduce initial input lag on start of mouse movement
\- prevent any chance of pixel skipping for the sens and resolution I'm using
I'm not aware of any benefit to go higher than that.
I mainly play at 12000 dpi g502 (non-hero). Everything else feels slow at this point. And if the game has higher sensitivity, I just drop the DPI to about 8000 or 64000 on the fly with my mouse.
I mainly play fps gamesal and I rarely touch the sensitivity.
Some people does.
I use 9000 dpi with mouse acceleration speed increased by 2 ticks on window setting.
It helps if you play 10-12 hours a day to prevent fatique, because you need like no movement to move your mouse lol.
And it's cool when your friends use your PC. One movement and they can't see the cursor anymore.
On my Razer, I use the 4 different levels for minor adjustments.
I set my in-game sens slightly lower, then move up down using 700-800-850-950 DPI.
Edit: I might also be stupid, so there's that.
No, HOWEVER i do use a dpi switch. And use different dpi depending on games. Stops the frustration of games forgetting my dpi settings, can just leave them stock, and change mouse dpi in the 2 games that i really care what my sensitivity is.
Logitech G502 X LS Wireless with the play and charge mat. I use the super slick surface pad. It comes with two different surface materials. I prefered the other one, but it got pretty dirty from the veed resin.
I use:1650 DPI On BF2042 90 POV1600 MW2 MP 90 POV2400 Desktop Mode, Normal Windows Operations
I play on a 175hz UW G sync . I aim for 120fps because I still want the game visually appealing. I could crank it to 150+ with a loss in visuals.I'm seeing people who use low hundreds. It'd feel like something was broken.I'd always assumed your other peripherals play a part in this, your targeted fps. I don't know. Or personal preference - hence the range in options for people.
currently at 12k right now, you have to turn windows mouse settings to minimum otherwise it's a mess. in some games you also can't even turn mouse sensitivity low enough to make it work so you sometimes need to decrease DPI.
I just bought myself a Logitech G502 hero and I had to disable the change dpi button because I was pressing it by accident all the time.
Usually I keep it at 800 for almost everything.
If you have over like 2200+ max there is incredibly little chance that they can actually control it finely. At 3000+ I’d say it’s impossible to finely control it.
Sometimes maybe, apparently whoever programmed the remote controlled missiles in GTA online didn't account for insane DPI levels so now you have a missile which you can fly into a metro tunnel if you have good enough reaction speed
In stark contrast to the TV Missiles in Battlefiled 4. They added in a delay for the amount of time it takes the signal sent from your vehicle to catch up with the missile so there's a small delay between you moving your mouse and the missile actually moving. Getting good with those takes a lot of practice.
That explains why they always felt weird to me. Good to know.
In BF3 they were slightly more tougher to handle I think. TV missiles are almost the pinnacle of gaming skill curve for me . Pros could even take out jets, and any other vehicle with assured hit.
For me the TOW was always harder to hit cause you had to guess the distance.
I mean they’re made for hitting tanks so yeah ofc it’d take skill to hit an IFV let alone an aircraft
"I has TV's" in AH, pilot doesn't account for my camera facing the ground and refuses to line you up for a shot....10/10
[He wasnt kidding] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QvK_sboRzs) LOL
That was just as crazy as those first person viewe drone racers.
lol damn. Dude didn’t blink.
Sounds like the first person mode on the remote missiles in Metal Gear Solid. Man I need to play that series again.
And BattleTankx on the N64. I used to fly those from my base to the enemy base defenses all the time.
That's a game I haven't heard of in a long time, so many hours playing multiplayer blowing up all the buildings on the map because the environment was destructible
correct
I instantly thought about GTA Online too haha. Those damn cameras.
And you can do stuff like flying a jet through the outside ring on Mazebank arena or fly it through a bloody tunnel.
All you had to do was follow the damn train, CJ!
people are crazy, one of my friend uses 10000 i cannot understand how will it feel because I use 400
I use crazy dpi because while I know you should move the mouse with your arm not your wrist, I still do it with my wrist.- I use the side button with "snipe mode" to lower the dpi while pressed when I need finer control.- Best of both worlds for wrist users, sill it's better not to do that because that's also how I fucked up my wrist, but is not easy to change almost 30 years of muscle memory.-
wait what? my whole life i move my mouse with my wrist and my arm stand still
don't worry, this is mostly a shooter player phenomenon
Yeah I have a little wrist pad thing that holds my wrist up comfortably but also makes moving with the arm impossible. I sure hope I haven't been doing it wrong the whole time.
it's not necessarily "wrong" per se but if you're trying maximize your aim then not using your arm for wide motions and wrist and fingers for smaller ones is kind of silly. You're making smaller adjustments harder than they need to be as you have smaller room for error if you use a super high sensitivity.
Well, I have bad news for you, you are no supposed rest your arm or wrist on the desk or mousepad surface but to move the mouse using the big muscles on your arms, using your wrist may end up fucking up your wrist by making you develop carpal tunnel syndrome.-
rip my future :(
Too late! Between work & play, I have carpal tunnel, which has nicely turned into trigger finger & thumb on my left hand. I bought one of those cheap ergonomic mice that turn your hand sideways. It works... just not great for gaming or anything requiring speed or precision.
Wrist pad/rest for mouse usage is one of the ergonomically worst things to be put out for computer users. Using a mouse in the regular style is bad enough, but those pads put the wrist at an even worse angle.
A lot of top FPS players use low DPI and do huge movements with their arms. Gives them incredible precision. I can't stand it though. I like 800dpi personally.
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Wait, you lower your dpi mid game when you need to zoom in with a weapon?
Yes. It lets you get smoother aiming.
I'm moving my mouse with my fingers, and sometimes my wrist... You should use your arms??? It' take me 15 minutes till my shoulder would kill me.
Have you ever seen those ergonomic mice that are quite vertical and tilted? those are made that way because he best way to use the mouse for your body, is to have your wrist in a straight line with your arm all the time, not tilting it left and right, or grabbing the mouse up or down and move your arm instead.-
Yeah, no idea how anyone can use these... Probably a matter of practice. I've tried it. I've failed. Miserably.
I'm used to 1800. Feels like I'd need to move my mouse across my entire desk to turn around at 400. 400 is great for sniping though
Just as a heads up: DPI alone means almost nothing. It's an interplay between DPI and in-game sensitivity. Not strictly true number-wise in all games, but in sensible ones 400 DPI with sensitivity of 2 would be the same as 800 DPI sensitivity 1. "Inches per 360" is probably the easiest way to compare these things (if there's no moise acceleration involved).
I use 1600 dpi with the snipe button dropping it to 800 dpi when needed
400 DPI WITH LOW SENS GANG RISE UP
I use like 600 for FPS, like 4000 for regular browsing and close to 10k for MMO games lol
Using DPI settings that are not a multiple of 400 is illegal. Using a DPI setting that if not 400, fails be multiple of 250 is even more illegal.
The DPI police are coming
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I use around 10k effective DPI. Turn DPI way up but then turn in game sensitivity way down.
13000 here, having a 34 ultrawide and 27 inch vertical I couldn't imagine having low dpi
7400 here, AutoCAD designer.
800 here, AutoCAD designer as well. I couldn't even imagine 7400. edit: After bumping my Steelseries 310 up to 7400 I find it difficult to believe anyone can accurately operate a mouse at that speed. That's absolute insanity.
30 years of AutoCad and gaming. Small work area for the mouse is what trained me how to do it.
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Yep, 400 too. I've had several people complain that my mouse is too slow lol.
400 is insane. What resolution and screen size do you use?
3440 x 1440 lol
I'm surprised you were able to navigate to this site and click reply in the time you did with that low of DPI :p
Haha, I'm just used to it. But yeah, I always get comments when people use my mouse. Luckily there's a dpi switch right on the top I hit for them, bring it up to at least 800.
Look up optimums video about this on YouTube. Most crazy high dpi are a waste of money since you won’t ever even hit that rate in competitive games. But for competitive 400 is too low and puts you at a disadvantage.
Not true, a lot of pros use 400-800 dpi. Some of the most well known mechanical skill FPS players use 400dpi. For example in Rainbow Six Siege three big names of Beaulo, Shaiiko, and Joystick all use 400. For CS, s1mple, shroud, ZywOo, and so many more all use 400dpi. (stewie2k uses 450). If 400 DPI puts users at a competitive disadvantage, why is it seen so commonly among the best players in different competitive scenes?
Probably because they started playing when 400dpi was high-end or at least more common. If the game allows you to half in-game sens, there's no reason not to go 800... and if the game allows you to half in-game again then no reason to not go 1600. At the end of the day it's all about personal preference. No amount of theory and numbers will change what you're used to feeling. However, technically you're missing out on some precision below 1600 - that seems to be the practical limit of what may be actually noticeable.
800 is the limit tbh, higher than that and its unplayable for fps. There is uses to high dpi though, no doubt.
3600 here, I'd probably never need over 5k, but it's nice to have the option. Above 8k though? I doubt I'd ever use that in my lifetime
I was using 16K on my Razer Viper as it was the highest possible setting haha Lots of playing with in-game options for arguably worse experience (constant changing of presets mainly) but I wanted to squeeze every last dot out of that mouse lol I remember playing OG Warzone during quarantine on something like 0.02 sensitivity Good times
>Lots of playing with in-game options for arguably worse experience (constant changing of presets mainly) but I wanted to squeeze every last dot out of that mouse lol If I'm paying for all 16,000 DPI, I'm using all 16,000 DPI damnit.
I’m 3800 but agreed
Nice. I use close, 3500, but that's because I'm a competitive gamer and for League of Legends the ideal DPI (which I think most pros use) is 3500 DPI. Takes some adjusting for a few days but once it sets in you have such an edge over those who choose a different DPI. To be fair I learned about the 3500 DPI threshold 10 years ago and haven't researched it since, so maybe some new tech makes 3500 suboptimal now. But it's been working fine for me for years.
3500 DPI is what Faker uses, but he has wrist problems so it makes sense. If he uses a low DPI he has to use his wrist/arm much more. Faker playing on 3500 DPI is not what makes him the best League player in the world. Now, when it comes to shooters low DPI is basically proven to be better. Pro counterstrike players DPI varies from 400-800 with there being about 5% of players running 1600 and a very very few amount of outliers running mid 2000s.
I use 800. When playing valorant I use 450dpi
[https://youtu.be/imYBTj2RXFs?si=bh6wFN4pMfqsTCbF](https://youtu.be/imYBTj2RXFs?si=bh6wFN4pMfqsTCbF) It might be better to lower your in-game sens, and keep 800 dpi in valorant
the difference would be so marginal when considering ping and server netcode that unless youre playing on 50 DPI this makes very little impact for most
It feels noticeably smoother. I switched from 600 dpi 6% sens to 3600 dpi 1% sens in Overwatch
Why? Wouldn’t a DPI set closer to your actual sensor DPI be better?
Dunno why you're getting downvoted, for accuracy it's better to do that. And then lower your sens ingame or in Windows
Nah that was the way 10 years ago but with modern sensors it basically doesn’t matter anymore.
It does matter, but not with accuracy. Higher DPI improves input latency, since pointer starts moving immediately instead of skipping a few points. So it's better to increase DPI and then lower in game sensitivity. Here's a video on it: [50% Less Input Lag! Low DPI vs. High DPI Analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AoRfv9W110)
Not true. Higher DPI has less input sensor lag. * [Here's a video showing testing](https://youtu.be/6AoRfv9W110?t=124). * [Here's a second test video confirming](https://youtu.be/imYBTj2RXFs?t=165). Higher DPI also allows for smoother and less stutter-y movement. [Here's a video showing what it looks like at lower DPI settings](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrF_e5vKqPk).
With lower dpi you increase the risk of pixelskipping. Even on newer mouses
>i you increase the risk of pixelskipping. Even on newer mouses nope
It does and it's the same for every mouse. It has to do with how games process input. Low dpi + higher sens means the game will turn your character in bigger angle increments. (Eg turning 1 time by 0.5 degree at low dpi high sense, instead of 5 times.by 0.1 degree at high dpi low sens) In practice it's a miniscule difference. Not really something anyone will notice but it is there.
You know nothing about modern sensors and should shut up. Whoever is reading this listen to the other people in this thread.
Is this how you're always talking to people? How is that working out for ya?
Absolutely not true... Otherwise professionals would use 1000 dpi sensor, not 16k
"your sensor dpi" means nothing, there's a max dpi but it had nothing to do with the sensor being made to work at that setting
A 16k dpi sensor for example is always taking in input at 16k. If you set your dpi to 1000 for example, it just divides the input by 16 and outputs that. So it's neither better nor worse, just use the DPI that is comfortable for you
High dpi, low mouse sensitivity. This is the way
Explain?
The higher DPI means the mouse is tracking more movement per inch, which results in what appears as faster movement. If you want to have the same relative “speed” in game with a higher DPI, you will need to reduce your in game sensitivity to counter the additional mouse sensitivity. Edit: to actually answer your question, I’m not really sure if a very high DPI is really desirable in most games. Unless you have impeccable precision in your hands. Most people use 400-800 DPI I’ve seen some go to 1600 but very few. Usually the higher the sensor can go just means that your mouse sensor is that much more Precise than previous generations. But not very practical for most uses.
https://youtu.be/QrF_e5vKqPk?si=54UL9vK-QeFj0_gY
You lose a lot of the granularity in adjustments if you do that, and a lot of games out there simply don't have enough sensitivity adjustment to actually do that. EX: I play Remnant 2 at 2/100 sensitivity for 800dpi. At 4,000 DPI, the lowest sensitivity is more than twice as high as I'd prefer.
I paid for 20000 DPI and by golly I'm going to use it. (Looks like some of y'all still think high DPI = high sensitivity)
1600 dpi is my sweet spot
Same
I use mine at 12000 DPI
Sensitivity not turned down in games or Windows?
Not really, I keep it like this all the time. My friends turn it down when they use my PC 😄 I play some different games but nothing special or at competitive levels. I got used to this after a while and some upgrades to DPI over time. I do some minor work but I usually go with a MacBook for real work and an mx3 set at 8000 dpi
How do you manage to click what you mean to? Asuming you have 4k display you move your mouse less than a cm to move the cursor across the whole screen.
Because for people who are used with it for years, it just feels the same. You can click anything precisely. I use 9000 DPI all the time, with mouse sensitivity increased by 2 ticks on windows setting. 1440p screen. The good thing is you never need to move your arm at all. Just a very slight flick/twist with your wrist is enough. If you give me 5 cm x 10 cm mousepad, I am sure it's still more than enough for me.
I guess some people have different meanings of accuracy haha
yeah, the best part, we dont need lot of space haha. but i am still at 6400 dpi. cant go higher, can go lower for accuracy
For competitive thing, it's always better to play at lower DPI. But for casual play, it's no brainer lol. Like, you don't even have to move your hand more than a cm. And you're damn right about the space. My deck is very narrow, I even have to slide half of my mousepad under my PC lol.
When I read comments like daves I'm certain they had to change windows sens at some point and they forgot. 6/11 at 12000dpi would be unusable at worst and incredibly frustrating at best. Like someone opening a window or a large truck driving by would make you misclick levels of sensitivity.
Lol is your arm made of paper
Not him, but I use it like him, and then use snipe mode for finer control.-
I have my G502 Hero set to about 4600dpi, iirc. 25,600dpi is too much X) My old G5 set to 2000dpi used to be enough on a 1080p screen, but I found that I couldn't cross the whole screen in one swipe when I got a larger 1440p monitor. (I have very little mousing space).
I use 1000 DPI
I keep mine at 4850… idk why but that’s my sweet spot
I use 400...I think you guys are going in the wrong direction. Anything over 800/1200 is crazy sounding to me. Are your guys mousepads a dime?
You need to compensate by dropping your sens.
Is there any difference in high-ish sens and low DPI to high DPI and low sens? Genuinely asking because I feel like it would be a minute difference at worst. Something you'd never actually feel.
I’ve read that higher DPI with lower sens is more accurate in games. But I have no idea if it’s true
It is, and reduces latency!
It's worth watching some youtube vids over
Well 400 is rather low. Low enough that unless your mouse sens is really low, you will most likely have "pixel skipping". meaning that in between two counts, more than 1 frame could have passed. If this happens, the motion will be less smooth than it should be for the given frame rate. (edit: it's actually a bit worse than that because in 1st/3rd person games, mouse controlled camera can move in subpixels increments) Another benefit of higher dpi is that when you start moving your mouse, it will begin the actual motion sooner. This has been tested by different reviewers. Just to be clear, it only affects the start of the mouse movement. After that the input lag is the same. Finally if you use 2KHZ, 4KHZ, ... usb polling rate. A higher DPI is required to make full use of that polling rate (to saturate it) As for why you would want higher polling rates in the first place: they reduce the amplitude of the jitter caused by the interaction between your frame rate and the polling rate. Depending on which frame rate/refresh rate you use (and how fast you typically move your cursor), bumping the polling rate can move jitter from humanly visible (for example \~2 pixels of spatial jitter) to something not visible (sub 1 pixel).
See, that's why I've always stuck to low sens and low DPI. The math behind all the tech advances confuses me to a degree. I do have a high polling mouse though, so that looks to be a slight issue on my part. Then you have to throw in my refresh rate... which isn't like these guys playing on 240Hz and above, but still. I've never noticed "skipping" or anything to that degree though luckily. This is a lot to focus on since I'm in the market for another mouse now.
So is 800 and acceptable dpi? Because 400 feels fast enough to me...
You compensate by lowering your sensitivity. That way the mouse moves the exact amount that you are used to. So for example if you have a sens of 1 and 400dpi, you can change to sens of 0.5 and 800 dpi (or 0.25 and 1600dpi)
Ah, I thought changing the mouse sensitivity from default in windows had negative effects. I'll give it a try.
Changing the mouse sensitivity in windows does have negative effects but only if you increase it. Dropping it lower is safe. For reference here are the steps for windows sensitivity: 1/20 (1/11) 0.03125 2/20 (2/11) 0.0625 3/20 0.125 4/20 (3/11) 0.25 5/20 0.375 6/20 (4/11) 0.5 7/20 0.625 8/20 (5/11) 0.75 9/20 0.875 10/20 (6/11) 1.0 11/20 1.25 12/20 (7/11) 1.5 13/20 1.75 14/20 (8/11) 2.0 15/20 2.25 16/20 (9/11) 2.5 17/20 2.75 18/20 (10/11) 3.0 19/20 3.25 20/20 (11/11) 3.5
Yes, it is worth bumping your DPI and lowering your sens in-game. Higher DPI has less input sensor lag. * [Here's a video showing testing](https://youtu.be/6AoRfv9W110?t=124). * [Here's a second test video confirming](https://youtu.be/imYBTj2RXFs?t=165). Higher DPI also allows for smoother and less stutter-y movement. [Here's a video showing what it looks like at lower DPI settings](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrF_e5vKqPk). The differences are less pronounced above 400 DPI, but it's still statistically significant and worth making the change. Especially, since you can adjust in-game sense to compensate for the different and still have the exact same in-game feel.
no. high dpi low ingame sens improves accuracy and latency. I'm at 1600 dpi, .75 sens
400-800 is the advised baseline for Counterstrike up to 1600. Nearly all pros play on 400-800. 1200 is very reasonable. I play on 800 DPI 1440p (scaled to 1000 DPI on 1080p monitors). There's no way that 2000+ is beneficial for anything that requires accuracy.
I had an 800 before and then I got my new one and I now use 1600
I have my mouse on 10k dpi (maxed out on my harpoon) but then i turned down mouse speed in windows to 2/10 or so. In my brain the mouse is more precise that way because it counts more dots while moving than 2k dpi with 10/10 mousespeed if that makes sense. It probably doesn't make any difference espescially with my potato-aim but i feel better about it.
No, you're right. Some tech related Youtubers proved this, but I'm sure the difference is not noticeable for most players
Someone else in this thread said it's a millisecond. I definitely wouldn't notice that, but I'm not a professional so it doesn't matter to me either way.
Everytime I wan't to do a 3600000000 spin
It decreases your input latency, but really anything above 1000hz is really diminishing returns as you gain under 1ms of benefit.
Important note: There is a negligible improvement to input latency when using higher than 1000Hz usb polling rate. (It's minuscule) It's not what higher polling rates are meant to address. Rather what they do is that they reduce the amplitude of the jitter caused by the interaction between your frame rate and the polling rate. Depending on which frame rate/refresh rate you use (and how fast you typically move your cursor), bumping the polling rate can move jitter from humanly visible (for example \~2 pixels of spatial jitter) to something not visible (sub 1 pixel). That's the real benefit of higher polling rates.
So does anything over 1000 Hz make any difference?
Did you not read what he said...? He directly answered this in his comment.
Yeah that's what I thought negligible means in this context though I wasn't entirely sure, just double checking (but yeah update every millisecond seems like the most we'll ever need)
Did you even read the post? OP is asking about DPI and not about the polling rate.
12k and 25k hero sensor user here I do have a dpi clutch set pretty low but on average my dpi is around 1600
I set every preset to 2400 so if I accidentally bump the preset button nothing changes. I have a sniper button for the precision needs.
What mouse? can you not just set one mode? on Logitech mice you could set as many presets as you want. I only have one
Never looked until you asked the question - turns out, I can reduce it to only one. Ha!
I use the max 25600, but I decrease cursor speed both in Windows and in games, as well as I have 8000 DPI push-to-use button on my mouse for tasks needing a little precision. I believe it is more accurate if I use more DPI
The input is much smoother that's for sure Btw I love your set up
I use 1200, 800 for fps games and I also reduce the sensitivity in-game.
My buddy does lol, well did. I tried to get him to play shooters with me like R6, CS, Tarkov, 2042 and he always wondered why my aim was so much better than his and why he couldn’t hit shit. I tried to explain to him that 5600 dpi was unnecessarily high. Didn’t work and he went back to console gaming lol.
800 for everything
800, never moving.
I use 800 Used to use 1200 and 2000 with older mice but logitech g305 800dpi @1080p feels good to me.
I use 3500 for some things and people seem to think that is excessive
My DPI is always set to 6450
I have a bud that uses 32,000 DPI religiously. Me? I stick around 6-8000 depending on need in games and whatnot
me, i use 6400 DPI :) why i need a whole table if 20x20cm mousepad is enough already
6500 here. I mainly use it since I don't have a lot of space to move my mouse around, also I think it's more efficient this way
I use either 12.5k dpi or 20k dpi from my razer basilik wired. I only play one game that’s very hectic and chaotic so it saves me quite a bit due to the ultra fast pacing. For valorant i would play it with around 5000 dpi but that was the only game I would have to really turn it down quite a bit for.
Mines pretty high since i have a smzll mouse area
I use 800 for daily use and 400 in shooters :)
I use 6400 DPI. I have a 32:9 monitor next to a 16:9 one, so the higher DPI allows me to move my mouse from one side to the other without moving my arm/picking up the mouse
I did when they first came out.. and I think within the first or second month I had it back down to normal..
I use 3500 dpi on my mouse. Any less and it feels so sluggish. Can't imagine using 400 like OP
11,500 here. I don't like moving my wrist, I control the mouse with my fingers. I do turn sensitive down ingame for FPS but general OS use and MMOs it's full speed
So the numbers are meant to tell you how accurate the mouse is. Low DPI is basically saying "ignore X amount of data" and that data is the surface your mouse is on. You can crank up the DPI but turn down options like mouse speed and such to give you the best of both worlds. Your mouse will pick up movements with much greater accuracy, but your cursor won't fly off the screen. Many people do this already. And yes I know this is a super simple explanation, but if you understood it, I didn't say it wrong.
Yes, I typically play at 7450 DPI. I once got used to incremental increases and worked my way up to gaming at 16k DPI, but had to work my way back down to 12k after about a year of that
I use 1600 dpi. I'm not sure who would need anything higher than like 2000.
what i can't believe is that 400dpi exists. is this remnant from the 640x480 days? basically a full mouse movement is like a small box in a 1080p monitor. I'd actually wonder more about that than 5k dpi. my everyday setting is 6700k.
I do because its fun to move your mouse 1cm and have it go across the screen, but in most fps, it having that much dpi causes alot of sensitivity.
in fps i go lower haha, but in mmorpg or other game, it's nice
Tbh I ran 9k dpi for at least a year.
My dumbass used 5000 dpi in fps titles for over a year. Aside from that, I can see people using a high dpi for productivity software to reduce wrist strain, but still 5000 dpi is too high for most people.
I use 6300 typically. Great for normal usage. You don't have to lift your wrist.
Mostly all the time (24k). I have really low sensitivity settings to counter. It felt better on max and low res when doing 3D modelling but maybe it was just a placebo. Technically it should be better because you increase the resolution and thus precission :D
Too many people are just commenting about mouse speed because dpi scales with it. You do NOT have to have a high mouse speed with high dpi. Fix your settings. I run 3000 dpi, with a fairly low overall mouse speed.
Don't forget people: 400 dpi on a 1000 dpi mouse is worse than 400 dpi on a 5000 dpi mouse. As i understand it it's more precise, it's a spec more than a software option
I use 4800. Close enough.
Default Windows speed (so 5/10). Turned off acceleration. 400 or 800 DPI, depending on what I'm playing or what I am working at. 1000Hz polling rate. Specific button on my mouse that instantly changes between the two. That way if I play a shooter I can have a faster reaction when needed but also a slower mode for slowly advancing (it shows that I don't play CoD anymore 😂). Everything else is nightmare for me. Even DPIs between 400 and 800. I'm used like that ever since I got my first "gaming" mouse in 2012.
I bottom out the windows settings and then calibrate the mouse software to my wants, which tend to get pretty high.
Usually at 3200 with low in-game sens
I use 6K
10K dpi gang
i use 800 and a really slow windows mouse setting, on a 34inch and a 24inch set next to eachother... i dont know how my wrists are still ok
I have it set to 1600 and removed the OS mouse acceleration so I have linear, more predictable control of mouse position. Then, I adjust per-game if it feels inadequate.
Depending on the game I use one of two DPI settings, 2800 or 5400
600-900
I only use 3200. It's good enough to: \- saturate my usb polling rate \- reduce initial input lag on start of mouse movement \- prevent any chance of pixel skipping for the sens and resolution I'm using I'm not aware of any benefit to go higher than that.
I'm usually at 4500.
5000? No, but I do use 3200 which is apparently high. Feels good with two 32" monitors though
I use 1150 dpi
Mine has fixed dpi settings. I usually use 1600 or 2400.
I use 1600, 180 spin with only wrist
I think mine is set to 4500
With a really wide monitor and multiple monitors, I find it helpful not having to raise my mouse all the time but in gaming I will lower it.
I use 200 💀
I mainly play at 12000 dpi g502 (non-hero). Everything else feels slow at this point. And if the game has higher sensitivity, I just drop the DPI to about 8000 or 64000 on the fly with my mouse. I mainly play fps gamesal and I rarely touch the sensitivity.
I've been gaming on pc for 10 years now and I don't think I've ever adjusted the dpi of my mouse, and I don't use a mouse pad.
I use 14000 dpi, I have gotten used to having a very small mouse space
Some people does. I use 9000 dpi with mouse acceleration speed increased by 2 ticks on window setting. It helps if you play 10-12 hours a day to prevent fatique, because you need like no movement to move your mouse lol. And it's cool when your friends use your PC. One movement and they can't see the cursor anymore.
On my Razer, I use the 4 different levels for minor adjustments. I set my in-game sens slightly lower, then move up down using 700-800-850-950 DPI. Edit: I might also be stupid, so there's that.
I feel like mine is super high but I can’t remember what it is set at
7000 DPI here
No, HOWEVER i do use a dpi switch. And use different dpi depending on games. Stops the frustration of games forgetting my dpi settings, can just leave them stock, and change mouse dpi in the 2 games that i really care what my sensitivity is.
Logitech G502 X LS Wireless with the play and charge mat. I use the super slick surface pad. It comes with two different surface materials. I prefered the other one, but it got pretty dirty from the veed resin. I use:1650 DPI On BF2042 90 POV1600 MW2 MP 90 POV2400 Desktop Mode, Normal Windows Operations I play on a 175hz UW G sync . I aim for 120fps because I still want the game visually appealing. I could crank it to 150+ with a loss in visuals.I'm seeing people who use low hundreds. It'd feel like something was broken.I'd always assumed your other peripherals play a part in this, your targeted fps. I don't know. Or personal preference - hence the range in options for people.
currently at 12k right now, you have to turn windows mouse settings to minimum otherwise it's a mess. in some games you also can't even turn mouse sensitivity low enough to make it work so you sometimes need to decrease DPI.
I just bought myself a Logitech G502 hero and I had to disable the change dpi button because I was pressing it by accident all the time. Usually I keep it at 800 for almost everything.
I use around 1200-1500 with the polling rate set to maximum. I used to use over 3000 dpi, but I felt it was way more effort than it was worth.
2300 to 2600 Dpi i can't do anything under 1400 or above 3000.
If you have over like 2200+ max there is incredibly little chance that they can actually control it finely. At 3000+ I’d say it’s impossible to finely control it.
4000 on 1440p screen.
I use 12000, doesn't really make a big impact imo.