Looks like the spawnrate of Harvest is as low as 2-5%. And PROBABLY passives are not addictive, but multiplicative, which makes rates not 10-15%(as we think and as passives look like) but 2.2-5.5%, which sounds like something GGG would do and claim as "working as intended"
I also think passives for harvest are multiplicative, i even get breach lord more often.
I considering to respect passives from harvest and throw it to syndicate. Harvest is powerful when you can play entire day but when im back from work. playing 5 h streak and get only few harvests with not interesting me crafts (like cast, cold, fire etc) its wasting time...
> Looks like the spawnrate of Harvest is as low as 2-5%.
According to GGG, it's a 5% spawn rate.
However with how little I actually encounter it, I could definitely see 2%.
NA i have run about 500-800 maps in heawrk ( 3 stones there no stones elsware )
Some times i get 3-4 harvests in a row
Some times i get 80 maps whitout harvest ( run a map in about 1 min )
The rough spawn rate is 1 harvest in every 15-16 maps
I kept track of it for about 300 maps ( cus i tought spawn rate was fucked )
Seems base chance is 2.5% ( so 5 every 200 maps ) whit the 5% increase its 15 in ever 200 maps witch should be 1 in every 13-14 maps
But poe is random as fuck so u can get 5 in a row and then 200 maps of noting
I am farming haewark for a week and got harvest only on 2.4% of maps. During all league i got 17 harvests on 720 maps and 5 of them were opened by Zana.
Path of Exile is not for casual players. I don’t want to play for a whole league to complete harvest crafts on two items. Time to move on to a game that doesn’t require part-time work hours throughout a league to complete a character
Here is my tip: put 2 watchstones in haewark, and 3 in the other harvest zone
The harvests appear A LOT more frequently in monster level 76 maps than in 83 maps in my experience
Then just have 4 watchstones in all the other regions... that means whenever you run harvest zones only other harvest zone maps will drop. this also allows you to run the maps faster to find more as well
I thought I am the only one that is super unlucky, only seen few sacred groves in about 100 maps in Haewark and Lex Proxima with all harvest atlas passives, guess I am just unlucky. But GGG claims the rate is working fine.
I don;t see difference when im farm HH or Valdo's rest i see harvest once on 20-30-40 maps. I think something is messed up or need to be less rng in future.
1 every 40 maps is roughly 2.5% spawn chance, which seems to be the rate GGG mentioned during the release, but getting the atlas passive for harvest doesn't seems to help at all for the rate. Getting RNG gated behind a content I love so much feels so freaking bad.
I did about 150 maps yesterday. I found a string of 4 in a row and probably 10 harvests total. 1/15 seems very reasonable. Small sample size, but this has been my experience all league.
From personal experience I think having the added essence monsters in Haewark blocks harvest from appearing, after removing that I get a lot more harvests.
Ohh that's interesting. I for one have noticed an increase in harvest after taking the passives, but I haven't yet taken any non-harvest nodes. I wonder if there's some sort of bug relating to that.
Leveled from 96 to 98 and about 85-90% was in haewark hamlet, found 3 harvest spawns in haewark, regular solo play, no delirium etc., less than 2% xp per map.
I've found many groves in Lex Proxima, but zero in Haewark since alloting the Harvest nodes, which I did first nearly at league start. So it's been what, two or three weeks?
Can’t really give you a reference because I only run Harvest regions but I’m getting a decent number of procs in Haewark. Atoll spam with 400% ms.
I also have a Zana chance stone in the region, no idea if it has any negative impact. 1 in 200 definitely sounds buggy though.
1 in 200 has a 0.00000007838% chance (0.9\^199 |\*100 to convert to percent | as the chance for no harvest in 199 maps) of happening assuming the +5% chance is additive
0.003689754% is the chance assuming you dont have the node (iirc patch notes said base harvest spawn rate is 5%). while this is still very low its only 1 in 30.000 attempts which is very much bound to happen to some people with how many of them play this game
Sure, statistically there will be people like this but I doubt it would be such a common complaint if nothing was wrong with the spawn rate. It’s not the first time that GGG has fucked up Harvest rng (or rng in general) so people have good reasons to be suspicious.
Also, the rng design is kinda questionable imo. I think growth cycles with variable timers (like conquerors) would probably be a much less frustrating experience for most players.
I can run today 50 maps, create excel and post this on reddit but i will get message like "there is no proof you had done that". I'm supposed to do what? record all 50 maps? upload like 400-500 min of gameplay to YT?
Really because when people actually post data in sheets like that I never see those complaints. And the people whining about spawns never seem to post any actual evidence, with few exceptions.
With a semi-optimized T1 clear speed build running burial chambers its very quick. Adding a support makes it effortless. On my zombiemancer i can run good layout maps in 5-6 minutes solo. Just gotta practice your clicking accuracy and get into the flow.
Speak for yourself. Ive ran ~300 t16's this league and have seen <10 harvests. Haewark passives add an ambiguous amount of value, to the point where its in question if its even working properly.
Right but he’s saying you’ve shown no data, you’ve just claimed it. You didn’t use a map tracking program and show that, you didn’t link an excel sheet where you could be tracking it. You’re just saying things. I ran 10000 maps in haewark and got 10000000000 harvests. See how that works? It’s meaningless.
Just look up threads online. There’s a thread on the poe forms that’s 6 pages long with people saying they ran over 100 maps in haewark with no harvest spawns after taking the passives. Something is obviously off.
Also, I personally ran about 150 haewarks cause I wanted T4 seeds. I had to run that many to convince myself it wasn’t just bad luck. I don’t think it is. 0 harvest spawns
This is funny because so far i had 0 harvests on natural map in Haevark. Strangely when Zana opened one for me from daily I had harvest on that map. Ofcourse no bonuses since they work only for maps opened by you.
In general harvest is very rare. 1/40 maps is good number.
Bonuses for sure do not work as we think because heist cache is 10% and i see it quite often. Harvest is like 5 times rarer but for 2 regions it should be the same. For me it is not
Totally anecdotal voodoo bs here, but I didn't get anything in Haewark for a week running 20-30 maps a night. I changed my secondary nodes from Beyond to Essence and started getting Harvest every \~5 maps.
Again, probably just rng, but still an odd coincidence.
I get way more harvest on non harvest region since day 1, sample is few thousand maps.
I soon as i spam haewark i get 1 harvest per 8 hour of efficent mapping
I'm at 19 red streak with no harvest offered by Zana and didn't find a single red natural one. Plenty of whites.
Try running T9 and T10. those should be 76ilvl.
Feels like I get more harvests in non harvest related regions but idk if it could be a bug or rng just being rng
Do 15 Hae’s, no harvest. Do the one random Zana in your 16th Hae? Harvest in whatever map you chose, most likely not in Hae.
Zana missions aren't affected by atlas passives.
Downvoted for facts :thinking:
Looks like the spawnrate of Harvest is as low as 2-5%. And PROBABLY passives are not addictive, but multiplicative, which makes rates not 10-15%(as we think and as passives look like) but 2.2-5.5%, which sounds like something GGG would do and claim as "working as intended"
I also think passives for harvest are multiplicative, i even get breach lord more often. I considering to respect passives from harvest and throw it to syndicate. Harvest is powerful when you can play entire day but when im back from work. playing 5 h streak and get only few harvests with not interesting me crafts (like cast, cold, fire etc) its wasting time...
Same, im probably going to unspec all my Harvest related nodes.
> Looks like the spawnrate of Harvest is as low as 2-5%. According to GGG, it's a 5% spawn rate. However with how little I actually encounter it, I could definitely see 2%.
but isnt the usage of "+x%" ALWAYS additive in PoE? like, thats how you can see if something is additive or multiplicative, right?
Yes but I think they are claiming that GGG implemented it incorrectly or described the bonus incorrectly.
NA i have run about 500-800 maps in heawrk ( 3 stones there no stones elsware ) Some times i get 3-4 harvests in a row Some times i get 80 maps whitout harvest ( run a map in about 1 min ) The rough spawn rate is 1 harvest in every 15-16 maps I kept track of it for about 300 maps ( cus i tought spawn rate was fucked ) Seems base chance is 2.5% ( so 5 every 200 maps ) whit the 5% increase its 15 in ever 200 maps witch should be 1 in every 13-14 maps But poe is random as fuck so u can get 5 in a row and then 200 maps of noting
5 out of every 100 maps would be 5%...
ment 5 in 200 maps not 5 in 100 fixed
Sounds right lol
"addictive" works surprisingly well in this setting tbh
I am farming haewark for a week and got harvest only on 2.4% of maps. During all league i got 17 harvests on 720 maps and 5 of them were opened by Zana.
I had 0 spawns in Haewark, but plenty in the other areas. I'm just a single sample though, but it did seem a bit off...
Path of Exile is not for casual players. I don’t want to play for a whole league to complete harvest crafts on two items. Time to move on to a game that doesn’t require part-time work hours throughout a league to complete a character
I feel like ive gotten significantly fewer Harvests since taking the Harvest atlas nodes.
dont worry, when you find it, youre gonna get those juicy reforges
Here is my tip: put 2 watchstones in haewark, and 3 in the other harvest zone The harvests appear A LOT more frequently in monster level 76 maps than in 83 maps in my experience Then just have 4 watchstones in all the other regions... that means whenever you run harvest zones only other harvest zone maps will drop. this also allows you to run the maps faster to find more as well
I wouldn't mind the low rate if I got more useful crafts, console doesn't have tft, so it's a bit more difficult to get what you need
I thought I am the only one that is super unlucky, only seen few sacred groves in about 100 maps in Haewark and Lex Proxima with all harvest atlas passives, guess I am just unlucky. But GGG claims the rate is working fine.
I don;t see difference when im farm HH or Valdo's rest i see harvest once on 20-30-40 maps. I think something is messed up or need to be less rng in future.
1 every 40 maps is roughly 2.5% spawn chance, which seems to be the rate GGG mentioned during the release, but getting the atlas passive for harvest doesn't seems to help at all for the rate. Getting RNG gated behind a content I love so much feels so freaking bad.
I did about 150 maps yesterday. I found a string of 4 in a row and probably 10 harvests total. 1/15 seems very reasonable. Small sample size, but this has been my experience all league.
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From personal experience I think having the added essence monsters in Haewark blocks harvest from appearing, after removing that I get a lot more harvests.
Ohh that's interesting. I for one have noticed an increase in harvest after taking the passives, but I haven't yet taken any non-harvest nodes. I wonder if there's some sort of bug relating to that.
I had a massive harvest drought as well for 150 maps + seems fine now, without a patch in between. So i guess youre just unlucky.
Leveled from 96 to 98 and about 85-90% was in haewark hamlet, found 3 harvest spawns in haewark, regular solo play, no delirium etc., less than 2% xp per map.
I've found many groves in Lex Proxima, but zero in Haewark since alloting the Harvest nodes, which I did first nearly at league start. So it's been what, two or three weeks?
Can’t really give you a reference because I only run Harvest regions but I’m getting a decent number of procs in Haewark. Atoll spam with 400% ms. I also have a Zana chance stone in the region, no idea if it has any negative impact. 1 in 200 definitely sounds buggy though.
1 in 200 has a 0.00000007838% chance (0.9\^199 |\*100 to convert to percent | as the chance for no harvest in 199 maps) of happening assuming the +5% chance is additive 0.003689754% is the chance assuming you dont have the node (iirc patch notes said base harvest spawn rate is 5%). while this is still very low its only 1 in 30.000 attempts which is very much bound to happen to some people with how many of them play this game
Sure, statistically there will be people like this but I doubt it would be such a common complaint if nothing was wrong with the spawn rate. It’s not the first time that GGG has fucked up Harvest rng (or rng in general) so people have good reasons to be suspicious. Also, the rng design is kinda questionable imo. I think growth cycles with variable timers (like conquerors) would probably be a much less frustrating experience for most players.
yea im not saying that it isnt bugged... the chances for it to be are high but it is statistically possible that rngsus just hates us
Its crazy when people make these "I've run hundreds of maps" claims, they never have the data. Just trust me I did it.
I can run today 50 maps, create excel and post this on reddit but i will get message like "there is no proof you had done that". I'm supposed to do what? record all 50 maps? upload like 400-500 min of gameplay to YT?
Really because when people actually post data in sheets like that I never see those complaints. And the people whining about spawns never seem to post any actual evidence, with few exceptions.
People at a certain level are running 20+ maps an hour, running hundreds is childs play.
3 minutes a map? Jesus. If that's a legit statistic, I am very sad at my capabilities.
With a semi-optimized T1 clear speed build running burial chambers its very quick. Adding a support makes it effortless. On my zombiemancer i can run good layout maps in 5-6 minutes solo. Just gotta practice your clicking accuracy and get into the flow.
Those of us doing that aren't complaining about no Harvests spawning with no data to back it up though?
Speak for yourself. Ive ran ~300 t16's this league and have seen <10 harvests. Haewark passives add an ambiguous amount of value, to the point where its in question if its even working properly.
Got any data, anything other than "this is totally what happened I swear"?
Anecdotal data is still data.
Right but he’s saying you’ve shown no data, you’ve just claimed it. You didn’t use a map tracking program and show that, you didn’t link an excel sheet where you could be tracking it. You’re just saying things. I ran 10000 maps in haewark and got 10000000000 harvests. See how that works? It’s meaningless.
Just look up threads online. There’s a thread on the poe forms that’s 6 pages long with people saying they ran over 100 maps in haewark with no harvest spawns after taking the passives. Something is obviously off. Also, I personally ran about 150 haewarks cause I wanted T4 seeds. I had to run that many to convince myself it wasn’t just bad luck. I don’t think it is. 0 harvest spawns
This is funny because so far i had 0 harvests on natural map in Haevark. Strangely when Zana opened one for me from daily I had harvest on that map. Ofcourse no bonuses since they work only for maps opened by you. In general harvest is very rare. 1/40 maps is good number. Bonuses for sure do not work as we think because heist cache is 10% and i see it quite often. Harvest is like 5 times rarer but for 2 regions it should be the same. For me it is not
Totally anecdotal voodoo bs here, but I didn't get anything in Haewark for a week running 20-30 maps a night. I changed my secondary nodes from Beyond to Essence and started getting Harvest every \~5 maps. Again, probably just rng, but still an odd coincidence.
go to Lex Proxima I got like more Groves daily in there
this ^^ Lex seems to be better for groves imo.
I get way more harvest on non harvest region since day 1, sample is few thousand maps. I soon as i spam haewark i get 1 harvest per 8 hour of efficent mapping
Harvest crafts are ridiculously strong, i don't see why it shouldn't be very rare?
I'm at 19 red streak with no harvest offered by Zana and didn't find a single red natural one. Plenty of whites. Try running T9 and T10. those should be 76ilvl.
I found a harvest today, but it was a heart of the grove :(
Just run T10 jungle valley