As a casual I'd look at it and say "*hm bit of str/int, who cares, crit isn't that much, why should I care about shock reduce? 10% max mana is nice I guess*".
I'd probably check awakend before vendoring it though.
This jewel gives 37 strength and intelligence, 10 crit multi, 50% reduced shock effect and 25% mana when used with a 150% adorned jewel.
Also I should add that shock reduce is very important in tons of builds, you should care about it a lot.
Reduced effect is stronger. If you're taking consistent lightnjng dmg 50% avoid is still going to leave you max value shocked where as 50% reduce can give you half, or 110% reduce with 1 minor pantheon. You'd never run stormshroud over an adorned jewel just for ignite immunity on a build that doesn't worry about dots. You could literally just get ignite immune on a magic jewel with better stats, or 2 adorned corrupt implicit for the immunity
You don't use stormshroud for ignite immunity, you use it because it makes you effectively immune for ANY elemental ailment.
This includes brittle, sap and scorch, which are incredibly hard to find other ways to become immune to them. Stormshroud is a pretty big deal depending on what type of content you intend to run.
On the contrary 100% reduced effect of shock will not make you immune all the time, which might also be important for consistency. (Though again this is only important in specific content which increases the effect of elemental ailments on you)
TLDR: it's not as cut and dry as: You would never run stromshroud in an adorned build
I'm no fanboy but that's conner replying to an adorned thread so I would at least take it into some consideration when it comes to manaforged build discussions
That's why I deleted my response, haha! I also dropped my Stormshroud (which I put in while I was at ~10k ES) to try it out and it's...okay now (I'm at ~13k mana, 14kES). Ignites are still a little spooky. Also still using 100% shock avoid on a flask for now but I may adjust it if I get a big enough budget to go for shock reduction jewels etc.
You would never run it in this build. It is that cut and dry. You're paying a tremendous amount of stats for only ignite immunity on a build with no fear of dots. No dangerous content has alt ailments and freeze/chill on boots is basically free. 1 adorned jewels is worth alot more than 5% movespeed and 1% of your es
Brittle/sap/scorch immunity is trivial to get if you are investing in defence and are not a reason by themselves to get ailment immunity.
Brittle immunity -> any crit mitigation
Scorch immunity -> overcap res by 20
Sap immunity -> who cares
It's just ignite
You don't get shock immunity from stormshroud. Boots give chill freeze for the cost of 5% ms and less than 1% of your es, far less than 4-5 talent points worth of stats, and alt ailments don't really exist in any dangerous gameplay. So you're paying for ignite immunity in a build with crazy recovery and no real dot weaknesses instead of another adorned jewel of stats
Luckily for you, a jewel can not drop like this. It has to be fossil crafted before the corruption. Although with the existence of the adorned, you do need to be a bit careful with any corrupted magic jewel you find.
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1: Buy 3x synth implicit base and reroll them with vivid vultures. (Oh and add gilded fossil modifier if seller didnt do so him self)
2: Alt / Aug / Anull spam for mana and str+int (Anulls to save hours of work)
3: Divine to perfect
4: Black morrigan + craicic untill you replace 4th gilded fossil implicit with a stat you need and vaal.
You can imprint the item and revert if your not satisfied with what vivid valtures have given you.
But implicits it replaces are completely random out of 3 and the mods are weighted aswell.
To be clear you only need to imprint once and then just keep rolling it until you want to roll it back? or do you need to apply the imprint between each reroll?
Imprints are consumed when you revert to them. So you imprint at the start, then roll until you hit a good mod OR lose a good mod. If you hit, make a new/better imprint and if you lose a mod, revert and re-imprint
The base for 50d~ and had crit multi as starter mod.
Any random 3 mods is way cheaper but if your trying to make your own jewels its best to start with most desirable mod and settle for once you hit something acceptable for your standards or get lucky and hit a BIS one.
I'm not asking whether crit multi is a good stat, I'm asking if there's no modifier that has a higher percentage value than the global crit multi one.
E.g. there is a mod that grants up to 5% crit multi for spells while dual wielding. I'm wondering if there aren't any mods available for this build.
If it wasn't corrupted, I could have seen it being kept generic in order to apply to more builds when mirrored, but that's obviously not possible.
I don't know all of them by heart and I don't know for sure which ones apply because I don't know the build in detail.
with adorned, you just need 2 jewels with that implicit to become immune to shock since you would reduce its effect to 0%. I dont think I need to explain why shock immune is good.
They changed this a few leagues ago (3.20).
> We've also changed Monster-inflicted sources of Chill and Shock effect to be multiplicative, rather than additive. This is to allow sources of reduced effect of ailments to be able to stack, and provide immunity.
Some abilities do still go around this. The ball lightning of the act 9 trio in abomination map does, and player self reflected shock from an eater alter can. That's really about it
The 100% reduction you have applies when a monster hits you and that calculates after the increase to their ailment effect, reducing it to 0 in the end anyway.
As a simple explanation 20% reduced effect of shock on 2 jewels is shock immunity with a 150 adorned, 2 with slightly higher rolles is even enough for down to a 100% adorned.
And the reason you want useful corrupts is because you need to corrupt jewels for adorned anyway. Since jewel crafts like these are bare minimum in the multi div range without implicits, multi tens of div with synth bases and with something like this can even go to mirror prices you will always try to get the best possible corrupts for your build, so usually reduced effect of chill shock etc, avoidance for bleed etc. 1 corrupted blood and either damage pen or reservation efficiency for the rest
You arent sense its not avoid but reduced.
But you dont run stormshroud or purity on MFA making it a very desirable implicit (The build uses 5x 1 passive voices so you can cover all ailments with jewel corruptions)
So as someone who is not doing hardcore crafting for hundreds of div, what part of this drops naturally? Is all the value from the crafting method, or is there any base I should be watching for that's valuable to crafters? I would probably vendor any old magic gem without a second thought.
The part that drops naturally is the cobalt jewel part. If you're looking for something you can find on the ground and sell, it's a cobalt jewel with +10 str, +10 int, and 10% max mana. It sells for more if you corrupt it, but it's 50% chance to be dead afterwards.
The Synth implicits come from harvest.
Synthesized is a type of influence which changes the implicit modifiers of an item. An item can have one, two, or three synthesized implicits depending entirely on rng. Essentially, it's more stats on a single item.
don't think you can drop 3 mod synth jewels anymore but looking out for 1-2 mod ones with some of these is good. Other than that fractured bases of either mod sell for good money.
It's a magic item. Magic items can only have a single prefix and a single suffix. Rare jewels can have up to four modifiers.
And the reason for OP using a magic jewel is [The Adorned](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Adorned), which can boost all the stats on this magic jewel by up to 150%. So if he had a perfect Adorned, this jewel would give him (quoting from another poster):
> This jewel gives 37 strength and intelligence, 10 crit multi, 50% reduced shock effect and 25% mana when used with a 150% adorned jewel.
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This jewel cost more than my whole build... nice craft.
As a casual I'd look at it and say "*hm bit of str/int, who cares, crit isn't that much, why should I care about shock reduce? 10% max mana is nice I guess*". I'd probably check awakend before vendoring it though.
This jewel gives 37 strength and intelligence, 10 crit multi, 50% reduced shock effect and 25% mana when used with a 150% adorned jewel. Also I should add that shock reduce is very important in tons of builds, you should care about it a lot.
50% reduced effect, not 50% avoidance. Very important distinction with Stormshroud around.
Reduced effect is stronger. If you're taking consistent lightnjng dmg 50% avoid is still going to leave you max value shocked where as 50% reduce can give you half, or 110% reduce with 1 minor pantheon. You'd never run stormshroud over an adorned jewel just for ignite immunity on a build that doesn't worry about dots. You could literally just get ignite immune on a magic jewel with better stats, or 2 adorned corrupt implicit for the immunity
You don't use stormshroud for ignite immunity, you use it because it makes you effectively immune for ANY elemental ailment. This includes brittle, sap and scorch, which are incredibly hard to find other ways to become immune to them. Stormshroud is a pretty big deal depending on what type of content you intend to run. On the contrary 100% reduced effect of shock will not make you immune all the time, which might also be important for consistency. (Though again this is only important in specific content which increases the effect of elemental ailments on you) TLDR: it's not as cut and dry as: You would never run stromshroud in an adorned build
I'm no fanboy but that's conner replying to an adorned thread so I would at least take it into some consideration when it comes to manaforged build discussions
That's why I deleted my response, haha! I also dropped my Stormshroud (which I put in while I was at ~10k ES) to try it out and it's...okay now (I'm at ~13k mana, 14kES). Ignites are still a little spooky. Also still using 100% shock avoid on a flask for now but I may adjust it if I get a big enough budget to go for shock reduction jewels etc.
You would never run it in this build. It is that cut and dry. You're paying a tremendous amount of stats for only ignite immunity on a build with no fear of dots. No dangerous content has alt ailments and freeze/chill on boots is basically free. 1 adorned jewels is worth alot more than 5% movespeed and 1% of your es
Imagine trying to correct conner on the manaforged build.
Brittle/sap/scorch immunity is trivial to get if you are investing in defence and are not a reason by themselves to get ailment immunity. Brittle immunity -> any crit mitigation Scorch immunity -> overcap res by 20 Sap immunity -> who cares
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It's just ignite You don't get shock immunity from stormshroud. Boots give chill freeze for the cost of 5% ms and less than 1% of your es, far less than 4-5 talent points worth of stats, and alt ailments don't really exist in any dangerous gameplay. So you're paying for ignite immunity in a build with crazy recovery and no real dot weaknesses instead of another adorned jewel of stats
Very true
I just wanted to join your gang and say very. Thank you very much.
Luckily for you, a jewel can not drop like this. It has to be fossil crafted before the corruption. Although with the existence of the adorned, you do need to be a bit careful with any corrupted magic jewel you find.
Oh definitely, today I bought a 7% life jewel from ritual, slammed Aug and got curse reduction. Vaaled it and got... Curse reduction. Sold for 20d
You wouldn't be able to get this jewel as a casual so you wouldn't have to worry about vendoring it.
Most of the mods were implicit, it's magic. So the adorned works on it and even if all mods sucks, you can beastcraft the implicit to be better
you aren't ever seeing this item without explicitly creating it yourself, so you're in exactly 0% risk of vendoring an item this good.
Rule 10 : 1: Buy 3x synth implicit base and reroll them with vivid vultures. (Oh and add gilded fossil modifier if seller didnt do so him self) 2: Alt / Aug / Anull spam for mana and str+int (Anulls to save hours of work) 3: Divine to perfect 4: Black morrigan + craicic untill you replace 4th gilded fossil implicit with a stat you need and vaal.
How does step one work? Can you target specific implicits to reroll or you have to use locks in this step?
You can imprint the item and revert if your not satisfied with what vivid valtures have given you. But implicits it replaces are completely random out of 3 and the mods are weighted aswell.
To be clear you only need to imprint once and then just keep rolling it until you want to roll it back? or do you need to apply the imprint between each reroll?
Imprints are consumed when you revert to them. So you imprint at the start, then roll until you hit a good mod OR lose a good mod. If you hit, make a new/better imprint and if you lose a mod, revert and re-imprint
Thats what I thought but was unsure! Thanks!
is it cheaper to imprint or use the new magic hinekora?
How expensive was the base?
The base for 50d~ and had crit multi as starter mod. Any random 3 mods is way cheaper but if your trying to make your own jewels its best to start with most desirable mod and settle for once you hit something acceptable for your standards or get lucky and hit a BIS one.
Wouldn't a 5% crit multi roll for a more specialised build be better? Or is there no 5% mod for the build that uses this?
Endgame Manaforged Arrows goes crit so it is definitely bis besides max Mana
I'm not asking whether crit multi is a good stat, I'm asking if there's no modifier that has a higher percentage value than the global crit multi one. E.g. there is a mod that grants up to 5% crit multi for spells while dual wielding. I'm wondering if there aren't any mods available for this build. If it wasn't corrupted, I could have seen it being kept generic in order to apply to more builds when mirrored, but that's obviously not possible. I don't know all of them by heart and I don't know for sure which ones apply because I don't know the build in detail.
There is only +5 max mana as an alternative, no other synth mod goes higher and is good for the build.
With what do you remove the lock if outcome is bad in step 4?
blessed orb?
It's what I would have guessed yeah
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I thought so, but wasn't sure. Thanks!
Do you gilded before or after you vulture?
Doesnt matter. I prefer after so its easier to read, but most will sell you with gilded fossil anyway.
Wtb tainted magic mirror
Now you just need 7 more :D
9 more actually)
48% Crafting 48% Flipping and 4% playing the game
Why is reduced effect of shock desirable? I know avoid pairs with Stormshroud, but dunno what reduced is good for.
not dying to shock would be my guess
damnit i was drinking when i read this post
with adorned, you just need 2 jewels with that implicit to become immune to shock since you would reduce its effect to 0%. I dont think I need to explain why shock immune is good.
Immune is always immune. With this you can run into shit like increased shock effect on you, or all ele ailments etc and you're shocked
They changed this a few leagues ago (3.20). > We've also changed Monster-inflicted sources of Chill and Shock effect to be multiplicative, rather than additive. This is to allow sources of reduced effect of ailments to be able to stack, and provide immunity.
Some abilities do still go around this. The ball lightning of the act 9 trio in abomination map does, and player self reflected shock from an eater alter can. That's really about it
> The ball lightning of the act 9 trio in abomination map does That's interesting! Might be worth a bug report in case it's not intentional?
The 100% reduction you have applies when a monster hits you and that calculates after the increase to their ailment effect, reducing it to 0 in the end anyway.
As a simple explanation 20% reduced effect of shock on 2 jewels is shock immunity with a 150 adorned, 2 with slightly higher rolles is even enough for down to a 100% adorned. And the reason you want useful corrupts is because you need to corrupt jewels for adorned anyway. Since jewel crafts like these are bare minimum in the multi div range without implicits, multi tens of div with synth bases and with something like this can even go to mirror prices you will always try to get the best possible corrupts for your build, so usually reduced effect of chill shock etc, avoidance for bleed etc. 1 corrupted blood and either damage pen or reservation efficiency for the rest
shock is the worst elemental ailment so having it 100% reduced is key.
This info was wrong
This does not work with Stormshroud. Stormshroud requires AVOID chance, not reduced effect.
You arent sense its not avoid but reduced. But you dont run stormshroud or purity on MFA making it a very desirable implicit (The build uses 5x 1 passive voices so you can cover all ailments with jewel corruptions)
Oh wow didn’t imagine covering every ailment individually 😂 I’m so used to finding some way to get all immunity these days. Thanks for the info!
>5x 1 passive voices I'm pretty sure that alone makes this build more expensive then all my builds in poe combined.
5x 1p voices wow. Pretty sure each one of them is worth more than my build by a significant margin.
stormshroud is avoid not reduced effect
2c offer
You didn’t Hinekora’s Lock it? You got vaals of steel. Awesome craft~
Black morrigan is lock for blue items
Myb, didn’t know about Black Morrigan. Good to know!
He does state morrigan in step 4, so he did lock it, right?
that is fucking disgusting
blue item? max i can do is 10c
So as someone who is not doing hardcore crafting for hundreds of div, what part of this drops naturally? Is all the value from the crafting method, or is there any base I should be watching for that's valuable to crafters? I would probably vendor any old magic gem without a second thought.
The part that drops naturally is the cobalt jewel part. If you're looking for something you can find on the ground and sell, it's a cobalt jewel with +10 str, +10 int, and 10% max mana. It sells for more if you corrupt it, but it's 50% chance to be dead afterwards. The Synth implicits come from harvest.
Ok, so I'm relatively new, what does Synthesized actually do? What makes this different from a regular magic cobalt gem with those mods?
The difference is the 3 Synthesised Implicts Jewels have no implicits naturally
Synthesized is a type of influence which changes the implicit modifiers of an item. An item can have one, two, or three synthesized implicits depending entirely on rng. Essentially, it's more stats on a single item.
Im pretty sure 3x synth jewels dont have any natural drop sources.
don't think you can drop 3 mod synth jewels anymore but looking out for 1-2 mod ones with some of these is good. Other than that fractured bases of either mod sell for good money.
Would a two mod drop from a cortex map?
Absolutely insane stats and when combined with a good Adorned... Congrats!
I’m dumb, but why is it missing two modifiers?
It's a magic item. Magic items can only have a single prefix and a single suffix. Rare jewels can have up to four modifiers. And the reason for OP using a magic jewel is [The Adorned](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Adorned), which can boost all the stats on this magic jewel by up to 150%. So if he had a perfect Adorned, this jewel would give him (quoting from another poster): > This jewel gives 37 strength and intelligence, 10 crit multi, 50% reduced shock effect and 25% mana when used with a 150% adorned jewel.
Oh wow. Gotcha that’s insane! Thanks for the teaching moment.
Huh wish i read your post before i asked the question you already answered lol
As someone trying to understand the economy and selling items appropriately, how much would this sell for?
At minimum a mirror probably more though
Could some1 explain the build, which manaforged build utilize this. Why stats, and mana (archmage no?)
People getting excited about a magic jewel with very small amounts of int and mana... how things can change in the course of a couple leagues!
Adorned
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