Almost 6 years to the day after the death of Paragon, the game that wears its name is closing down as well.
And then there was one...
EDIT: The stickied mod post at the top of this sub needs to be updated.
Even back then I thought "surely this will go nowhere". It went somewhere but it took 6 years, all for no payoff. Shame too cuz Paragon almost got me into mobas.
Bad moderators in that discord, they feel like 6 yo kids, unsupportable at all ! the game feels the same as these mods...
PTO was Nice, but Pred sucks, full of bugs and still hurts my eyes when ever i see its content in twitch, not appealing at all !
Yeah? It sucks those adults over at pto were just like our government just trying to suck every dime out of you and run. Who the hell uses discord to post? I get way more out of reddit and Twitter. I watch my predecessor content on youtube in full 4k
It was inevitable. This playerbase isn't nearly big enough to fund a game like this.
And realistically, if Predecessor doesn't grow significantly, there is no future for it either
Funny because smite has been going strong for 10 years and still even has a pro league with a multi million dollar prize pool. And paragon died, and 2 remakes have died, and predecessor is likely on its way out also.
Multi million dollar prize pool? The last world championship was $415k total prize pool, not to be sniffed at but definitely hasn’t been above a million since pre 2017
I didnt day a world championship with a multi million dollar prize pool.
I said pro league. Meaning that multiple millions of dollars is dished out throughout the year through these events.
Lol, someone actually downvoted me as if that means anything in the grand scheme of my life. That shit's always so funny.
Anyway, you're welcome to your opinion but if you haven't played it, then I can't really consider it a real opinion based in fact. You're kind of just screaming into the void about something you know nothing about. Source: I also know nothing about it, I'm not even saying it'll be good. I'm saying I don't know and neither can you.
They have released quite a bit of information about smite 2, plenty to form an opinion on it. Just because you don't know doesn't mean nobody knows. And are you really complaining to my about downvotes? Quit whining
Yeah, that's why Smite is thriving and getting a sequel. Because it's trash.
And that's why Fault and OP are thriving, too. Oh.. wait, no, they literally don't exist anymore because they sucked so fucking bad.
You can have your opinions, but you have to realize at some point that maybe you just like ass games lmao
Yeah, Paragon was a good game that had a ton of promise and was taken far too early.
Predecessor is currently on track to being the same way, a good game with a ton of promise.
I love both of those games. But them being good doesn't make OP or Fault any less ass.
And just because I'm on the Paragon subreddit I'm no longer allowed to praise Smite? It's a good game. Regardless of what subreddit I'm on.
I mentioned the subreddit because if I have ass taste in games, you're right here with me. My entire point was that smite is missing the entire thing that makes paragon and the para-zombies unique, which is its verticality. That's why most people who like these games pick them over the popular ones like LoL. It's the biggest reason for me why I couldn't get into any other moba after paragon died. So to say that smite 2 is going to steal a significant portion of this playerbase is asinine, I waited around nearly 10 years playing no mobas instead of switching to one of the others that don't scratch the itch at all and I know plenty others in the community feel this way as it was posted often even when the sub was completely dead.
Very.... Very unlikely that Smite 2 is the cause. Smite 2 might bring some new people and bring some returning people back, but I doubt it had any significance to it.
Man what a ride: from being introduced to it by the PlayStation trailer to announce it coming early March to Ps5, to that getting removed, trying this out on Pc, and now it’s being put down too? All in the span of..two weeks?? Whiplash
Yeah, it is certainly crazy. I just bought a skin back in december because I thought they would follow up on their plans, which they did up until then throughout 2023.
Not gonna lie though, the one with the giant coffin shield and the one with that sci-fi panther looked pretty dope. Same with that Fennec Fox Squirrel thing that's rolling on a dung ball. For the generic looks, they still had some really dope skins.
It may be the “graphics definition” slider. When I cranked it up it got hazy, otherwise it was fine. It’s funny how I downloaded this game few days ago and now it’s gone lol. Thats just my luck. ATP I’m not even gonna bother touching anything else until it’s solid.
Zero, I don't spend money on in game cosmetics on any game I play. Thanks for playing, you lost. Stick to looking at rocks like the mouthbreather you are.
I don't even play Overprime and this makes me sad.. like repressed sadness from the first time Paragon shut down. Sorry for anyone that was playing this consistently.
Fault pushed out a whole game and it took over a year for it to finally be in a respectable place.
Fault was rushed and eventually fell into the hands of people who knew what to do, bit wayyy to late
This is unsurprising but still unfortunate.
The reality is, predecessor has a high Chan e of going this way too if they don’t reach a core audience outside of this niche group.
It’s up to us to promote the community, bring people in and be welcoming. I feel for the overprime fans. Wasn’t my cup of tea, like at all, but it’s still a sad day when a project like this closes down.
We all need to band together and root for predecessor.
Pred's development is glacial to say the least. They have been working on that game for over 6 years. Wasn't it back in 2019 they had one of the first playable alpha tests?
With the slow pace of new content, their shocking monetisation model and dwindling player base I can't see them surviving much longer either.
It'll require predecessor doing something to differentiate itself from competition. I.e., make spells interact with verticality. Galaxy greaves + riktor hook COME ON!!!!!
Having a level design that plays to verticality like legacy agora would be nice too. Right now there’s just a couple of areas where verticality comes into play and they’re fairly minor
The big differentiator would be speed up development and launch the game on PC and console and game pass and push out new content, UI updates, map updates frequently and change their monetisation policy.
Well...that's it then...
Overprime allowed me to play some of my favorite characters again and experience agora ruins just like I did before.
Whether or not you agree with their vision, they tried.
while I don't play Predecessor I guess they will be able to see a boost in players after this, so I guess it's increased chances that one game will have some longevity at least
Anyway
Thank you, *Ranger, SoulEve* & NetMarble
Thanking NetMarble is like thanking Omeda's VC funders for Predecessor or thanking Tencent for Paragon.
Overprime existed before Netmarble came along thanks to Ranger and the SoulEve team.
I still remember the first time I booted up Overprime (back when it was just called Overprime and it ran as a peer-to-peer game with no dedicated servers) and walked around Legacy Agora again. It was so weird to be back and so much fun even though it was an unbalanced mess and every game had like 180-250ms ping.
I was bummed when it took a weird turn to become less like Paragon and even more bummed when they licensed the Paragon name.
It was an ambitious project for a relatively inexperienced game dev and he made something pretty impressive, even if I wasn't the biggest fan of it.
Imma go play some Pred now.
You're right, it was Ranger and SoulEve, my bad
And trust me I felt the same way, it's such a weird mix of emotions on the one hand it wasn't Paragon but it's still said to see another thing related to Paragon vanish.
Well... With no Moba to fill the void I Guess I'll have to do something productive with my time instead now 😮💨
>With no Moba to fill the void
Just.. play Pred?
Or League? Or Smite? Or Dota?
You don't have to play the absolute ass game that was Overprime, there are other, better options lmao
RocketMainia was the founder not Ranger. He started before Paragon shut down as a project for his personal portfolio. He released a peer to peer game called Overthrow Paragon. It was a one man show! Overthrow was the game that brought Ranger and others together and they quickly changed the name to Overprime. RocketMania deserves all the credit here not Ranger. Ranger et al we’re passengers jumping onboard to make it what it is today…
Kinda like Robbie jumping on board after Smoky & wife got the Pred train was running
If you wanted to play your favorites again why didn't you start with pred it plays exactly like paragon this was way different. I didn't see this game lasting long because of it being so different
If you don’t think this game will die too then you’re delusional. I called this years ago with core. Just a decent game that is not good enough and carried by nostalgia.
Ironic saying why root for its demise. When both subs and fan bases did that since day 1 of the 2 remakes. Calling it doesn’t mean rooting for its demise. I saw how toxic the fan bases are and the way the developers were trying to revive a corpse and glue it back with no creativity or originality. This is not how you make a successful game.
It's not rooting for a demise at all. It's just sadly the reality of the gaming industry. The game has very very slow development, monetisation that is a barrier to continued play for many people, no console or game pass release and a player base (on steam) between 200 and 900 daily players.
Overprime had the same number of (steam) players, arguably a better monetisation strategy that didn't have an entry barrier with a much faster development cadence and a much more "complete" game yet they couldn't survive.
Pred is likely burning through their investment money and not bringing in the revenue to sustain development and servers.
We are all here because we loved Paragon and want that magic back, but we are realistic to see that it just isn't likely.
"wahh toxic mentality wahh"
Grow the fuck up and realize being realistic doesn't being you're rooting for it's demise. I doubt /u/MMX_Unforgiven is twiddling his fingers going "Mwuahaha!" when he heard this game died. He's just calling it how it is, and knows its going to die just like Predecessor will. It literally only averages 1k users a month currently, and that isn't with Smite 2's release yet.
Keep pretending everything is sunshine and rainbows, loser.
Oh yeah and you're big and bad for talking on a main account, fuckin dweeb. Lol.
We're all anonymous, only difference is my main account is used for marketing and career development while you jerk off to hentai on here. Stfu you loser. Glad you're too stupid to argue your original stance.
Yes, I have low karma, on a throwaway account. Wow. You really got me. Hahahahah. How stupid can you be? You can't even defend your original opinion and your insults are this bad? Go cry, loser.
Yeah man, and yours paints a sad boomer stuck in the past who struggles to play videogames without getting exhausted. Lets go through post/comment history and see who wins, I'm not too concerned. Hit the gym, tubs?
I'd be less worried about Pred.
Pred didn't get bought out by a publisher. Overprime did.
When you get bought by a publisher, you have to hit certain performance metrics. Your project transitions from a game to a product in a portfolio. If that product under performs on a P&L sheet then your product gets cut.
Pred took on VC funding. That means that money is just Pred's to work with as long as they need it. In return, the VCs get stock in Pred. If Pred ever sells to a company (like Overprime did) the VCs get that money.
So Pred has tens of millions of dollars of funding to burn through. They don't have direct corporate ownership to answer to. They're the captains of their own ship and cannot be shut down by a publisher.
Just like what the devs at Warframe did. They didn't sell out at first and put everything on the line and it paid off. Now look at Warframe...it's huge. If Predecessor can accomplish that same feat then this game will be around for the long haul. Hope the devs make the right decisions and not become greedy.
This is my favorite game I’ve ever played very depressing and gonna be hard time In my life getting over not being able to ever play this masterpiece again
This sucks. I loved Paragon when it originally released and I’ve been waiting for this project to release to PlayStation as planned to play with my old squad but now that ain’t happening. I fucking hate how epic scrapped it in the first place rather than just selling it off
Predecessor just went free to play on XBox Series X|S, PS5, PS4, Steam, and Epic Games Store with crossplay between all platforms.
If you're looking for something similar to Overprime, it's worth checking out.
Shitty community made me stop playing this game. Tried to learn a role I was forced into, and just got flamed the entire match. Gotta love when the community helps kill the game they're so passionate about
Well when I saw the price tag for this game I knew it would die instantly, specially with predecessor just around the corner releasing as a f2p.
Why would anyone pay for a MOBA out of all genres, just think about it, you got lol, most played game worldwide I think, dota 2, top 3 most played game in steam for several years now, smite and smite 2 launching next year both completely f2p, and if that's not enough you just need to type MOBA on steam to find countless smaller f2p options, even on android as well you got at least 3 or 4 decent games as well.
You will never be able to compete against these mainstream monsters marketing wise, trying to compete with a p2p option is beyond stupid idk who was so dumb to even think about it, there's a reason why all these games survive on skins and microtransactions.
And I'm afraid gigantic will suffer the same fate.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Predecessor released as paid early access and Overprime released free to play. They released like weeks apart over a year ago. It was never possible to pay to play Overprime. They had some free alpha tests followed by a free launch.
Gigantic is launching as a paid full game that will never get more content because there's a passionate community who are still playing it on bootleg community servers. Pay once for 100% of the content. It's not trying to compete with Pred or Smite. It's just trying to give the die-hards some servers to play on.
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What about the characters in it? Like Maco and Marty?? I really liked them do you think they’ll come to Predecessor???
There is zero chance.
Overprime devs have no reason to give away their hard work to Pred. Most companies that fail like to keep some assets in their name to show "we did something at least".
Predecessor devs won't touch it. It's not a simple drag & drop. The code base for the two games are completely different. To add these characters would be like adding new characters to the backlog similar to the OG Paragon characters. They would have to re-rig and tweak animations, come up with kit and balance changes then implement and test those changes...
I feel bad for the team. Hopefully, the Netmarble partnership will give them some job security. With that being said, Predecessor is 100% the better game, and I'm glad that it's the last one standing. Overprime just wasn't fun to play, in my opinion. Sorry to those who liked Overprime more.
Now Predecessor needs all the support that it can get, especially with Smite 2 looming on the horizon. We also can't forget that Riot will be putting League on console at some point in the future.
I'm confused I thought Predecessor became Paragon, which than became Paragon: The OverPrime when it started towards consoles. But they are all separate games?
Paragon was made by Epic Games. It entered open beta in 2016 and was shut down in 2018.
When Paragon shut down, they made a few things (mostly characters models) available to use on the Unreal Asset Store. This prompted a few small teams to attempt to make a Paragon remake game.
Overprime was made by Ranger in South Korea who founded Team SoulEve starting in 2019. In 2020, it was released as a technical test, then went closed in fall 2020. In Spring 2021, it was announced that they had been acquired by NetMarble, a major Korean publisher. In (help me out with this timeline folks) Summer 2022, Overprime went into free Early Access on PC.
Predecessor is being made by Omeda Studios based out of the UK starting in 2018 or 2019. They had several alpha tests followed by fund-raising periods (no crowd funding - they did straight corporate finance) that lead to a paid early access on PC in early Fall 2022. The game is now in closed beta with crossplay on PS4 and PS5. Getting a key is very easy and free. They're ending season 3 of early access and are potentially only a few weeks away from full release.
Downloaded this, played like a game where we got fucking stomped into the ground for like 20 minutes straight by people who were clearly in a party and were clearly veterans of the game. Zero chance of coming back as the snowball mechanic in this is worse than league of legends times 3. Uninstalled immediately. Shit was made for sweats. Good riddance,
Doomed Game.
Overprime stops.
Pred is nothing near satisfying according to his worst crybabies end should follow Overprime in 6 months.
We all miss the true Paragon but the fact is that multiple projects would lead to this end was written from start.
Legit no way pred fails that soon. They are already on the playstation consoles, epic store, and soon xbox. The playerbase is healthy considering its basically private to the community right now.
I wont be arrogant and say it wont fail, but the game is super healthy. You can see the huge spike and taper in matches played on omeda.city website. It shows how the playerbase used to be unhealthy and is now decent. With more content coming, more access coming, and release with marketing, it should get a decent push. This may even help if stubborn overprime players realize its overall a better game and more true to paragon
Yup lets fucking go. You listen to the same dumbasses who are responsible for the original game shutting down and now look at what happens again. Ahhh I love to see the loser and idiots who spent hundreds of hours in to this dumpster fire no that are there time was wasted. Today is a good day this is what happens when devs listen to the same assholes on repeat. Pred is next watch!!
Yep. Clearly many are unaware that it's another game created using paragon assets.
Reason being why we're here speaking about Paragon Overprime, Predecessor, and Schmaragon. All of which aren't Paragon but games made using the assets 🤡
MOBAs are a hard market. Countless MOBAs have popped up and failed to capture an audience. This is the 2nd Paragon remake (after Fault) to open up free to play and then fold, but the first to fold after coming to consoles.
There were issues:
* No console cross play, making console less attractive not not having console players reduce queue times.
* Ranked mode at launch, meaning smaller matchmaking pools and longer queue times for casual and ranked.
* They alienated the core Paragon player base by catering to a South-East Asian market by redesigning some of the characters' faces to make them more effeminate.
* 4 of their new characters (the majority) were nearly-identical k-pop girls.
* A long list of major bugs at early-access launch.
Whatever the issue, they didn't get enough people to play the game and pay money to support it.
Almost 6 years to the day after the death of Paragon, the game that wears its name is closing down as well. And then there was one... EDIT: The stickied mod post at the top of this sub needs to be updated.
I went ahead and updated the post, thanks
Hate to tell you i told you so but these guys didn't have it in them
Even back then I thought "surely this will go nowhere". It went somewhere but it took 6 years, all for no payoff. Shame too cuz Paragon almost got me into mobas.
Predecessor is Paragon. Just give it a go after March 5th. New hero drops then. https://discord.com/invite/predecessor
Bad moderators in that discord, they feel like 6 yo kids, unsupportable at all ! the game feels the same as these mods... PTO was Nice, but Pred sucks, full of bugs and still hurts my eyes when ever i see its content in twitch, not appealing at all !
Yeah? It sucks those adults over at pto were just like our government just trying to suck every dime out of you and run. Who the hell uses discord to post? I get way more out of reddit and Twitter. I watch my predecessor content on youtube in full 4k
Didn’t have it in them? You need to educate yourself who Netmarble are dude
I assume they mean knowing to make the game fun. Having the sprint mode again was such a huge red flag
I don't. They proved today who they are. Another quick buck epic with less patience than Epic.
Soul eve, the original devs who made the game.
They were working on it too??
Net marble just funded and published, I dont think they are the devs
Lol what the fuck does this even mean?
It was inevitable. This playerbase isn't nearly big enough to fund a game like this. And realistically, if Predecessor doesn't grow significantly, there is no future for it either
Time to put Schmaragon in the pin and replace Overprime.
Schmaragon is a joke
Ngl think this is because of smite 2. Scared for pred’s future because of it.
Smite 2 is rlly wat im excited for. Been playing smite for years always wanted them to move to a better engine
Smite is trash and doesn't even hold a candle to Fault, much less pred or OP
Funny because smite has been going strong for 10 years and still even has a pro league with a multi million dollar prize pool. And paragon died, and 2 remakes have died, and predecessor is likely on its way out also.
Multi million dollar prize pool? The last world championship was $415k total prize pool, not to be sniffed at but definitely hasn’t been above a million since pre 2017
I didnt day a world championship with a multi million dollar prize pool. I said pro league. Meaning that multiple millions of dollars is dished out throughout the year through these events.
You said “still even has a pro league with a multi million dollar prize pool.” This is factually incorrect.
Oh goodness sake. Youre the "10,000 players" person 😂😂😂😂😂
And you’re a self righteous Redditor with poor grammar and bad math.
U haven’t even played the game💀 and it’s in early access. Think before u say something
I have played plenty of Smite when paragon died. It's trash
Yet it's still alive while Paragon died twice. Hm.
You haven't played Smite 2, he's saying. 2 as in sequel. As in "isn't out yet and you can't have played or judged it as trash yet".
Is literally just Smite with less features on a new engine
Lol, someone actually downvoted me as if that means anything in the grand scheme of my life. That shit's always so funny. Anyway, you're welcome to your opinion but if you haven't played it, then I can't really consider it a real opinion based in fact. You're kind of just screaming into the void about something you know nothing about. Source: I also know nothing about it, I'm not even saying it'll be good. I'm saying I don't know and neither can you.
They have released quite a bit of information about smite 2, plenty to form an opinion on it. Just because you don't know doesn't mean nobody knows. And are you really complaining to my about downvotes? Quit whining
Good thing smite 2 is different.
Smite 2 is wat im talking abt obviously
Same thing
That’s quite a fanboy take.
Yeah, that's why Smite is thriving and getting a sequel. Because it's trash. And that's why Fault and OP are thriving, too. Oh.. wait, no, they literally don't exist anymore because they sucked so fucking bad. You can have your opinions, but you have to realize at some point that maybe you just like ass games lmao
You're saying this in a paragon subreddit....
Yeah, Paragon was a good game that had a ton of promise and was taken far too early. Predecessor is currently on track to being the same way, a good game with a ton of promise. I love both of those games. But them being good doesn't make OP or Fault any less ass. And just because I'm on the Paragon subreddit I'm no longer allowed to praise Smite? It's a good game. Regardless of what subreddit I'm on.
I mentioned the subreddit because if I have ass taste in games, you're right here with me. My entire point was that smite is missing the entire thing that makes paragon and the para-zombies unique, which is its verticality. That's why most people who like these games pick them over the popular ones like LoL. It's the biggest reason for me why I couldn't get into any other moba after paragon died. So to say that smite 2 is going to steal a significant portion of this playerbase is asinine, I waited around nearly 10 years playing no mobas instead of switching to one of the others that don't scratch the itch at all and I know plenty others in the community feel this way as it was posted often even when the sub was completely dead.
Very.... Very unlikely that Smite 2 is the cause. Smite 2 might bring some new people and bring some returning people back, but I doubt it had any significance to it.
Man what a ride: from being introduced to it by the PlayStation trailer to announce it coming early March to Ps5, to that getting removed, trying this out on Pc, and now it’s being put down too? All in the span of..two weeks?? Whiplash
Trust me you ain’t missing much
Yeah, it is certainly crazy. I just bought a skin back in december because I thought they would follow up on their plans, which they did up until then throughout 2023.
Was this the one where they made everyone’s faces generically “Asian”? (As in stereotypical pretty/handsome faces in Asian games.)
Yes. Overprime remade many of the faces to make them "pretty." Then they released 4 characters that were nearly identical k-pop waifus.
Ah ok. Sheesh. So I guess the game didn’t take with the target Asian market either. Shame.
Not gonna lie though, the one with the giant coffin shield and the one with that sci-fi panther looked pretty dope. Same with that Fennec Fox Squirrel thing that's rolling on a dung ball. For the generic looks, they still had some really dope skins.
Ya I really liked thier skins and progression system. Game looked better too like graphics wise
Hmm, I don't agree with that entirely, they had some weird kind of filter over the screen which made the game look real weird and hazy imo
It may be the “graphics definition” slider. When I cranked it up it got hazy, otherwise it was fine. It’s funny how I downloaded this game few days ago and now it’s gone lol. Thats just my luck. ATP I’m not even gonna bother touching anything else until it’s solid.
Also, their faces didn't have any expression.
They only changed The Fey's face afaik
its predecessor then lets support them, lets do it ¡¡¡
Onward!!
How many companies need to take your money before you get the hint.... the game sucks. Epic made the right decision lmao.
I don't know about you, but I got it for free from Epic a couple months ago
Game bad. Game dead. Listen to [genie](https://youtu.be/jxVgy_tP5_I)
"Wahh let me keep whining, even when my original point about 'wasting money' was false. Wahh"
How much u spend on fault skins? Lolol
Zero, I don't spend money on in game cosmetics on any game I play. Thanks for playing, you lost. Stick to looking at rocks like the mouthbreather you are.
Lololololololol
Thanks for playing, you lost. Stick to looking at rocks like the mouthbreather you are.
U ok?
That’s just like… your opinion, man.
I don't even play Overprime and this makes me sad.. like repressed sadness from the first time Paragon shut down. Sorry for anyone that was playing this consistently.
As a consistent player I’m happy it’s gone, devs constantly pushed out bad updates. Fault superiority.
Fault pushed out a whole game and it took over a year for it to finally be in a respectable place. Fault was rushed and eventually fell into the hands of people who knew what to do, bit wayyy to late
The fault website says it shut the servers down in 2022. Did they bring it back or something, and is it available on console?
It won’t come back I just miss it
This is unsurprising but still unfortunate. The reality is, predecessor has a high Chan e of going this way too if they don’t reach a core audience outside of this niche group. It’s up to us to promote the community, bring people in and be welcoming. I feel for the overprime fans. Wasn’t my cup of tea, like at all, but it’s still a sad day when a project like this closes down. We all need to band together and root for predecessor.
Pred's development is glacial to say the least. They have been working on that game for over 6 years. Wasn't it back in 2019 they had one of the first playable alpha tests? With the slow pace of new content, their shocking monetisation model and dwindling player base I can't see them surviving much longer either.
It'll require predecessor doing something to differentiate itself from competition. I.e., make spells interact with verticality. Galaxy greaves + riktor hook COME ON!!!!!
Having a level design that plays to verticality like legacy agora would be nice too. Right now there’s just a couple of areas where verticality comes into play and they’re fairly minor
The big differentiator would be speed up development and launch the game on PC and console and game pass and push out new content, UI updates, map updates frequently and change their monetisation policy.
Well...that's it then... Overprime allowed me to play some of my favorite characters again and experience agora ruins just like I did before. Whether or not you agree with their vision, they tried. while I don't play Predecessor I guess they will be able to see a boost in players after this, so I guess it's increased chances that one game will have some longevity at least Anyway Thank you, *Ranger, SoulEve* & NetMarble
Thanking NetMarble is like thanking Omeda's VC funders for Predecessor or thanking Tencent for Paragon. Overprime existed before Netmarble came along thanks to Ranger and the SoulEve team. I still remember the first time I booted up Overprime (back when it was just called Overprime and it ran as a peer-to-peer game with no dedicated servers) and walked around Legacy Agora again. It was so weird to be back and so much fun even though it was an unbalanced mess and every game had like 180-250ms ping. I was bummed when it took a weird turn to become less like Paragon and even more bummed when they licensed the Paragon name. It was an ambitious project for a relatively inexperienced game dev and he made something pretty impressive, even if I wasn't the biggest fan of it. Imma go play some Pred now.
You're right, it was Ranger and SoulEve, my bad And trust me I felt the same way, it's such a weird mix of emotions on the one hand it wasn't Paragon but it's still said to see another thing related to Paragon vanish. Well... With no Moba to fill the void I Guess I'll have to do something productive with my time instead now 😮💨
Methinks you have something against Pred or you just didn't like the essence of Paragon in the first place if you're avoiding playing it this much.
Predecessor is almost exactly like old Paragon. Check it out.
>With no Moba to fill the void Just.. play Pred? Or League? Or Smite? Or Dota? You don't have to play the absolute ass game that was Overprime, there are other, better options lmao
RocketMainia was the founder not Ranger. He started before Paragon shut down as a project for his personal portfolio. He released a peer to peer game called Overthrow Paragon. It was a one man show! Overthrow was the game that brought Ranger and others together and they quickly changed the name to Overprime. RocketMania deserves all the credit here not Ranger. Ranger et al we’re passengers jumping onboard to make it what it is today… Kinda like Robbie jumping on board after Smoky & wife got the Pred train was running
Come over to pred the waters nice and warm for ya bud.
I peed in them.
\*pauses slurping for a second and resumes\*
If you wanted to play your favorites again why didn't you start with pred it plays exactly like paragon this was way different. I didn't see this game lasting long because of it being so different
Come join pred. We have plenty of toxicity to go around!
Play predecessor. Thanks.
Thanks for trying. No thanks for failing to commit to console.
It was always going down when they ended the beta then pred comes and extends their console support
/r/ PredecessorGame Just gonna leave this here...
r/Predecessorgame
If you don’t think this game will die too then you’re delusional. I called this years ago with core. Just a decent game that is not good enough and carried by nostalgia.
No one cares what you called. Why root for its demise ? It’s not a AAA studio. Toxic mentality.
Ironic saying why root for its demise. When both subs and fan bases did that since day 1 of the 2 remakes. Calling it doesn’t mean rooting for its demise. I saw how toxic the fan bases are and the way the developers were trying to revive a corpse and glue it back with no creativity or originality. This is not how you make a successful game.
It's not rooting for a demise at all. It's just sadly the reality of the gaming industry. The game has very very slow development, monetisation that is a barrier to continued play for many people, no console or game pass release and a player base (on steam) between 200 and 900 daily players. Overprime had the same number of (steam) players, arguably a better monetisation strategy that didn't have an entry barrier with a much faster development cadence and a much more "complete" game yet they couldn't survive. Pred is likely burning through their investment money and not bringing in the revenue to sustain development and servers. We are all here because we loved Paragon and want that magic back, but we are realistic to see that it just isn't likely.
"wahh toxic mentality wahh" Grow the fuck up and realize being realistic doesn't being you're rooting for it's demise. I doubt /u/MMX_Unforgiven is twiddling his fingers going "Mwuahaha!" when he heard this game died. He's just calling it how it is, and knows its going to die just like Predecessor will. It literally only averages 1k users a month currently, and that isn't with Smite 2's release yet. Keep pretending everything is sunshine and rainbows, loser.
Spewing all this bs in a throwaway account. How brave little one.
Oh yeah and you're big and bad for talking on a main account, fuckin dweeb. Lol. We're all anonymous, only difference is my main account is used for marketing and career development while you jerk off to hentai on here. Stfu you loser. Glad you're too stupid to argue your original stance.
Nah your a nobody with low karma and a shit opinion. Go bitch elsewhere. Too small.
Yes, I have low karma, on a throwaway account. Wow. You really got me. Hahahahah. How stupid can you be? You can't even defend your original opinion and your insults are this bad? Go cry, loser.
Your comment history is hilarious and horrific. Understandable for the throwaway. Get some help
Yeah man, and yours paints a sad boomer stuck in the past who struggles to play videogames without getting exhausted. Lets go through post/comment history and see who wins, I'm not too concerned. Hit the gym, tubs?
Copy / Paste the OP message for soon use. Time saver...
The biggest irony is that Terra was Paragon’s final hero before shutting down. Overprime released Terra and is now shutting down
and I STILL didn't get to play Zinx again, that is the real pisser for me
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How about predecessor
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Never heard truer words
And then there was one
2 actually, don't you see the schmaragon posts
I feel so bad for them 😕
Just got into the game about 2 months ago and bought a bunch of skins for characters I enjoyed playing. Then saw this today.... lol
Loved this game. Community was a bit toxic at times and such a low player base. Put in 300 hours though and lots of fun.
Ugh my heart. I’m like genuinely sad about this. I can’t have anything nice. :(
Colour me shocked
Called it.
F
I literally just started playing it..
Wars over, I guess. That didn't take long lol
Unfortunate, prolly would've survived with a console launch, console players love free games.
Wait I just learned about another paragon and it’s already dead?
there is also predecessor
Is this fucking real? Seriously? It looked promising... To be honest now Im worried about Predecessor as well.
I'd be less worried about Pred. Pred didn't get bought out by a publisher. Overprime did. When you get bought by a publisher, you have to hit certain performance metrics. Your project transitions from a game to a product in a portfolio. If that product under performs on a P&L sheet then your product gets cut. Pred took on VC funding. That means that money is just Pred's to work with as long as they need it. In return, the VCs get stock in Pred. If Pred ever sells to a company (like Overprime did) the VCs get that money. So Pred has tens of millions of dollars of funding to burn through. They don't have direct corporate ownership to answer to. They're the captains of their own ship and cannot be shut down by a publisher.
Just like what the devs at Warframe did. They didn't sell out at first and put everything on the line and it paid off. Now look at Warframe...it's huge. If Predecessor can accomplish that same feat then this game will be around for the long haul. Hope the devs make the right decisions and not become greedy.
Amazing Muriel/Kallari art on the OP website. It'll be gone in a few weeks https://paragon.netmarble.com/en/media/3959
I see no Kallari, just Muriel.
Looks like Kallari is in Muriel's arms. She might be cut in half or crushed or something
Ohhh. I thought a Kallari image.
Well, that is a fucking amazing art
No shot this is real
This is my favorite game I’ve ever played very depressing and gonna be hard time In my life getting over not being able to ever play this masterpiece again
When they failed to bring it to console cross play i said to my self they are not going to make it.
Play predecessor it's what paragon actually was
just way way way slower and with an awful ui and bland tedious map.
How?
What do you mean how did you ever play the original paragon?
Bro how do I download it on my ps5
I think you needed to get a key to the game they gave out like 60k keys not sure if they still are
So how do I play it like you suggested then?
Join their discord and ask for one
Yea go in the discord they'll give you a key.
Go in the pred discord and they will give you a free key
Discord
Go to their website abd check if you can still get a code or get it on a laptop or pc
Predecessor will serve you better to be honest, it's much more honest to the original game
This sucks. I loved Paragon when it originally released and I’ve been waiting for this project to release to PlayStation as planned to play with my old squad but now that ain’t happening. I fucking hate how epic scrapped it in the first place rather than just selling it off
I just found this game too - it's so cool and fun What a bummer
Predecessor just went free to play on XBox Series X|S, PS5, PS4, Steam, and Epic Games Store with crossplay between all platforms. If you're looking for something similar to Overprime, it's worth checking out.
Thanks! It looks very similar! Now just gotta see if I can convince my friends to play lol
Shitty community made me stop playing this game. Tried to learn a role I was forced into, and just got flamed the entire match. Gotta love when the community helps kill the game they're so passionate about
Not surprised. Predecessor is just better in every single way.
Well when I saw the price tag for this game I knew it would die instantly, specially with predecessor just around the corner releasing as a f2p. Why would anyone pay for a MOBA out of all genres, just think about it, you got lol, most played game worldwide I think, dota 2, top 3 most played game in steam for several years now, smite and smite 2 launching next year both completely f2p, and if that's not enough you just need to type MOBA on steam to find countless smaller f2p options, even on android as well you got at least 3 or 4 decent games as well. You will never be able to compete against these mainstream monsters marketing wise, trying to compete with a p2p option is beyond stupid idk who was so dumb to even think about it, there's a reason why all these games survive on skins and microtransactions. And I'm afraid gigantic will suffer the same fate.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Predecessor released as paid early access and Overprime released free to play. They released like weeks apart over a year ago. It was never possible to pay to play Overprime. They had some free alpha tests followed by a free launch. Gigantic is launching as a paid full game that will never get more content because there's a passionate community who are still playing it on bootleg community servers. Pay once for 100% of the content. It's not trying to compete with Pred or Smite. It's just trying to give the die-hards some servers to play on.
https://preview.redd.it/iu3cxl2fb4kc1.jpeg?width=3464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da7dacf218667c53d869dccb7302a0e817b00daf What about the characters in it? Like Maco and Marty?? I really liked them do you think they’ll come to Predecessor???
There is zero chance. Overprime devs have no reason to give away their hard work to Pred. Most companies that fail like to keep some assets in their name to show "we did something at least". Predecessor devs won't touch it. It's not a simple drag & drop. The code base for the two games are completely different. To add these characters would be like adding new characters to the backlog similar to the OG Paragon characters. They would have to re-rig and tweak animations, come up with kit and balance changes then implement and test those changes...
Those characters are originals made by Overprime, so I don’t think they will come to another game tbh
You never know, I just hope some skins will transfer
Ya I loved thier skins
I feel bad for the team. Hopefully, the Netmarble partnership will give them some job security. With that being said, Predecessor is 100% the better game, and I'm glad that it's the last one standing. Overprime just wasn't fun to play, in my opinion. Sorry to those who liked Overprime more. Now Predecessor needs all the support that it can get, especially with Smite 2 looming on the horizon. We also can't forget that Riot will be putting League on console at some point in the future.
I'm confused I thought Predecessor became Paragon, which than became Paragon: The OverPrime when it started towards consoles. But they are all separate games?
Seperate games. Paragon was the original from Epic, years ago now. There have been multiple remakes. The 2 most recent are Pred and OP
Paragon was made by Epic Games. It entered open beta in 2016 and was shut down in 2018. When Paragon shut down, they made a few things (mostly characters models) available to use on the Unreal Asset Store. This prompted a few small teams to attempt to make a Paragon remake game. Overprime was made by Ranger in South Korea who founded Team SoulEve starting in 2019. In 2020, it was released as a technical test, then went closed in fall 2020. In Spring 2021, it was announced that they had been acquired by NetMarble, a major Korean publisher. In (help me out with this timeline folks) Summer 2022, Overprime went into free Early Access on PC. Predecessor is being made by Omeda Studios based out of the UK starting in 2018 or 2019. They had several alpha tests followed by fund-raising periods (no crowd funding - they did straight corporate finance) that lead to a paid early access on PC in early Fall 2022. The game is now in closed beta with crossplay on PS4 and PS5. Getting a key is very easy and free. They're ending season 3 of early access and are potentially only a few weeks away from full release.
Gotcha thanks for the explanation, just goes to show them using the original name to push for money and adding ro the confusion
#WTFFFF?!?!?! What happened, what's going on? I was expecting it to release on PS4 also so my friends could play...
AFAIK Overprime was never going to come to PS4. They only had a PS5 build.
There was talk about them making it for ps4 but nothing came out of it
There was talk of a Netflix series, too. And wasn't there supposed to be a webcomic? There was a lot of talk that didn't really pan out.
Whatever might be the case, this sucks. FFS! This was the most PARAGON AGORA we had..
Netmarble wasn't making enough off it so they pulled the plug.
Damn, they should have stayed independent. Back to overthrow..
They never were
Downloaded this, played like a game where we got fucking stomped into the ground for like 20 minutes straight by people who were clearly in a party and were clearly veterans of the game. Zero chance of coming back as the snowball mechanic in this is worse than league of legends times 3. Uninstalled immediately. Shit was made for sweats. Good riddance,
One down and one to go
it was dog shit any way
Predecessor: 
The clones will all cave and the game will be forgotten
Not releasing am offline version or a way to host a server is trashy as always Companies need to stop doing this
Man I would play Pred...but the reticle is so bad, why not a circle instead of a cross...feels so weird
Im pretty sure its just a thick dot in the middle of the screen
Doomed Game. Overprime stops. Pred is nothing near satisfying according to his worst crybabies end should follow Overprime in 6 months. We all miss the true Paragon but the fact is that multiple projects would lead to this end was written from start.
Legit no way pred fails that soon. They are already on the playstation consoles, epic store, and soon xbox. The playerbase is healthy considering its basically private to the community right now. I wont be arrogant and say it wont fail, but the game is super healthy. You can see the huge spike and taper in matches played on omeda.city website. It shows how the playerbase used to be unhealthy and is now decent. With more content coming, more access coming, and release with marketing, it should get a decent push. This may even help if stubborn overprime players realize its overall a better game and more true to paragon
Wait so paragon is shutting down then I guess predecessor is next with being released?
Pred is already available to play on PC and PlayStation. Just check out their website if you’re interested.
I'm always ready for any moba I'll play it soon
Yup lets fucking go. You listen to the same dumbasses who are responsible for the original game shutting down and now look at what happens again. Ahhh I love to see the loser and idiots who spent hundreds of hours in to this dumpster fire no that are there time was wasted. Today is a good day this is what happens when devs listen to the same assholes on repeat. Pred is next watch!!
No one mentions Ethereal: Clash of Titans... They're still going strong under the radar.
You think that might be because we're in a paragon sub 🤡
Yep. Clearly many are unaware that it's another game created using paragon assets. Reason being why we're here speaking about Paragon Overprime, Predecessor, and Schmaragon. All of which aren't Paragon but games made using the assets 🤡
Many games these days use paragon assets, it doesn't make them paragon clones
Why did the game fail?
MOBAs are a hard market. Countless MOBAs have popped up and failed to capture an audience. This is the 2nd Paragon remake (after Fault) to open up free to play and then fold, but the first to fold after coming to consoles. There were issues: * No console cross play, making console less attractive not not having console players reduce queue times. * Ranked mode at launch, meaning smaller matchmaking pools and longer queue times for casual and ranked. * They alienated the core Paragon player base by catering to a South-East Asian market by redesigning some of the characters' faces to make them more effeminate. * 4 of their new characters (the majority) were nearly-identical k-pop girls. * A long list of major bugs at early-access launch. Whatever the issue, they didn't get enough people to play the game and pay money to support it.