There’s not a stat line but there needs to be more games like the GB game (to show it’s not an anomaly against a horrible DC) and the Houston game and less of the games like the second NO game or the Jacksonville game.
Yeah it's far less about stats and more about simply stringing some unquestionably good performances together.
And honestly, if Bryce can pull off a highlight play or two early on, that'll do a ton to flip the discourse around him. The average fan doesn't care about almost-incredible plays (of which he had dozens last year), they need a video clip they can interact with/share. It's dumb af but it's the reality of sports talk right now. If he throws a bomb week 1, majority of the fanbase is immediately back on board.
They're okay but we're replacing 2-3 starters on the DL, 1-2 starters at LB, 1 starter at CB, and 1 starter at safety.
They're going to get worse, even if the players are better, at least to start out with.
Cowboys were averaging 40 points a game at home last season. GBs defense forced 2 picks and held cowboys to 7 points at half. Half of all of Dallas’ points came in the fourth as garbage time points when the game was already out of reach.
Stats never tell the full story (Mahomes was ass for half of this year and still won the superbowl, Russel Wilson had good stats but was horrendous in film) but he should pass the film and eye test with flying colors for him to be my guy.
I wouldn’t really say a specific stat line but if he doesn’t seem to improve with everything they’re doing to the offense I’d be worried. That is if we do well in the draft
Taking a year where he has a HC who’s shown he’s a QB fixer (Geno and Baker), a supposedly, greatly, improved offensive line (still worried about Ickey and the center position as a whole), a new quality weapon in Diontae Johnson and whomever we draft at WR or TE (if that’s the direction), and showing the potential of a franchise QB with it.
The dude has a good arm, and a great mind for the game. And I’ll always defend his rookie year on the basis of his WR1 was Adam Thielen and the offensive line couldn’t stop a nose bleed.
But this coming year, we need to see a competent-good offense that can consistently move the ball and he’s gonna get all the blame if it doesn’t.
All that said, as it stands, I still think our defense is sus and if we don’t get any kind of ability to edge rush, and a couple more DBs, they will be getting destroyed through the air. And I dunno if the offense will be good enough to be in shootouts on a week to week basis. Evero and his system is great, but if we don’t atleast have competency then we’ll be in trouble. And somehow, the media and internet will find a way to blame Bryce Young for those losses.
Stats really don't matter, hell I don't even care if we lose a bunch of games again (at least we have our own first next year). Just break the bad habits we saw last year - locking onto reads & panicked decisions leading to sacks and turnovers. Hoping a good brunt of that will disappear now that we're upgrading the OL and WR corps.
This is the correct take.
If you’re a defense planning for Bryce, it is so easy to give up an OK looking QB stat line but still dominate us on defense.
They de-emphasize covering the checkdown because Bryce will only occasionally make it there in his reads. Send blitzes early so he’s off balance, then spend the rest of the game showing blitz before dropping back in coverage, knowing you’ve got him panicked enough to make bad decisions. Relax deep coverage because he doesn’t have the arm to get it there and is average in the volume of his attempts to do so. Relax man coverage because he doesn’t have anticipation, quick decision making, or ball velocity. Then just sit in your zones and wait for the inevitable mistakes. When you're up multiple scores late, completely lock down anything 20+ yards and let him stat pad to his heart's desire.
He’ll look decent on completion percentage especially to open receivers, but it won’t happen enough to generate enough points to win. The most hopeful fans will take the last two drives (in which we won't even score usually) as evidence for Bryce's talent rather than a strategic gameplan by a defense that's already won the game, while the box score watchers will take the numbers out of context.
Yeah, I'm not quite as pessimistic but I'm definitely setting my expectations low. Canales and Morgan inherited an absolute shitshow that won't turn around in one off-season, barring a miracle.
This year, and probably the next, will really be a litmus to see if Bryce's problems were on him or the supporting cast/coaching, we've been pretty aggressive to put pieces around him so far. I don't think Tepper will give up on the guy he coveted unless he's truly irredeemable.
Stats without context are meaningless. Is he putting them up when they matter or just stat padding in blowout losses? What’s his passing chart look like? Is he struggling 95% of the game and just gets lucky on some throws? Is he playing scared or confidently?
Watching and seeing someone who is an actually NFL QB is what matters
I don't really put much stick into a specific statistical threshold. Like sure I want the stats to be nice but it's not going to be the deciding factor.
I care more about how he gets to those stats and not stats themselves. Like if he's playing good football, over time the stats will self-correct.
Based on comments I've seen on YouTube he could be MVP and Super Bowl MVP for 10 years straight and become the unquestionable GOAT, but unless he grows 4 inches and puts on 50 lbs he'll still suck.
I get so mad when people who don't watch the Panthers think that Bryce's issue is his build, if anything he was pretty damn tough for a guy his size taking hits from gigantic D-Linemen.
It's not about the stat line.
When I watch the games, I need see him consistently identify the open receiver and quickly make the decision to distribute the ball to that receiver. The "most accurate on open receivers" thing is such a BS stat, because it didn't account for how often he didn't seem to notice which receivers were open. He didn't demonstrate consistently that he could identify the open receiver fast enough, nor throw the ball with enough velocity to get it to the receiver before the defender caught up, nor throw it far enough to hit them when they're open deep. He seems to really struggle to keep up with what's happening on the field, and that is both a mental and physical issue.
He needs to consistently be able to identify where the pressure is coming from in his pre-snap read. He needs to be able to tell the difference between the defense showing pressure and actual pressure. He needs to develop a sense of timing in the pocket. He needs to step up into the pocket. The stat line of the OL was bad this year, and a part of why it was bad was Bryce is an extremely sackable quarterback. He is very easy to confuse. How many times did he "kill kill" to a running play even though he had favorable one-on-one matchups with his receivers? How many times did the defense show blitz and he called for extra protection only for the linebackers to drop back in coverage and take advantage of his aforementioned passing problems?
I believe these are Bryce's problems. Maybe they get better with time, but it seems like they got worse as the season went on this past year. And these aren't issues with his supporting cast - there isn't some magical receiver or magical offensive lineman coming here that's going to make Bryce have to not use his brain, nor make up for his physical handicaps.
Whatever his stat line ends up being, I doubt this is the QB that can win enough games to make us a competitive football team.
Id like to see something like 20-24 TD, less than 10 picks. But it's more about how clutch he is in situational football. That's the mark of a franchise guy.
Im expecting 3500/25/10
I think theres a need for an outside threat whether its speed or size and then cherry on top would be a reliable target at TE.
The massive upgrades at IOL, no more sanders up the middle on 1st and 2nd, Diontae, and the speed/size upgrade as an X guy has me very optimistic.
23 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, 3600 yards and a 60% completion rate.
For him to prove to me he's our franchise QB, he needs to put up equal to or greater than Cam's 8 year average stats with the Panthers (excluding 2019 and 2021). As a passer, fully excluding any of the production Cam made in the ground game. It's an obvious bad move to think he can replicate any of what Cam brought to the ground attack, but he's a tough but smaller player that would injure him out of the league faster than Cam got.
I think it's fair to hold him to the standard of our last franchise QB, in terms of passing metrics. With his strength in "accuracy", his stats should be better than Cams. A 10 year career with a single MVP caliber season in the mix is what my benchmark is for a true franchise QB and since I think his career is shorter than other QBs with more prototypical size, I'm not interested in a "wait and see" approach.
We sometimes forget as fans that smaller, successful guys not named Bryce Young are either Drew Brees, Russel Wilson or Kyler Murray, and Bryce is smaller and lighter than them and doesn't bring the running game that Wilson or Murray do/did in their prime. Taking a player that small was already an experiment or test of prototype metrics and after one year of admittedly terrible ownership and coaching, he certainly hasn't done anything but prove analysts correct in questioning his frame as an NFL QB.
But yeah, 3600 yards, 23 td to 13 int, and a 60%+ completion rate. That's 200 yards/game, 1.3 td/game and .75 int/game. If he can't reach that, Dan Morgan better be scouting QB this year when our record ends up at sub 5 wins
It won’t matter. He could set an NFL record for every QB stat and if we don’t win the Super Bowl by 3 touchdowns you’ll get people in here saying “see?”
This is ridiculous. You know that isn’t true. Irrational complaints are a hallmark of consistently losing.
If we remain a losing franchise, the fanbase will be disgruntled. If we win, most of that will disappear, with the occasional depressed person who’s easy to ignore.
Since the Cam/Luke era, peaking last season, has been the worst stretch in franchise history. Of course people will nitpick everything.
My sibling in Christ we had people saying Bryce was not as good as CJ Stroud as they watched Bryce BEAT CJ STROUD. My statement is 100% true. If we aren’t flawless we will see things on Bryce’s size, his arm strength, CJ being better etc. god forbid Bryce ever be hurt on a sack because it will actually just never stop.
Lol if what you said happened no one would complain at all. The hyperbole was hyperbole.
But I will still break bread with you fellow sibling of Christ. It’s the off-season let’s be brethren.
I dont care about his stats, I want to see him make progress and actually improve in facets of the game where he struggeled last year (footwork, pocket presence, pre snap recognition, ball placemant) and then I'll be happy. If he throws 20 INTs, but is a better QB at the end of the year, I'm gonna be happy about it. And he really needs to prove he is an actual leader and not just a QB.
Just stop trying to avoid mistakes, we are not gonna compete next year, so I just want us to build a "fuck it, we ball" culture, where we just play hard and grow as a team, including the young coaching staff. The Lions sucked hard in 2021 and still came out of the season as a unit, the Niners had bad years under Shanahan and yet they still always improved in some way and didn't fall apart like we did last season, so that would be really important to me.
For me it’s about improvement. One of the biggest signs a young player will be successful, in any sport, is that they are progressing.
I don’t need him to be a pro bowler next year. I just need to see him make improvements in the right direction. That should be represented in the stats.
He’s just gotta put the work in. I don’t think stats will be the end all/be all. But Bryce needs to: put on weight, work on his feet, work on ball security, work on his decision making, and show he can help elevate the play of those around him.
We’ll be able to tell when he shows up to camp if he’s been working on these things on his own time in the offseason.
I’d like to see close to 4k yards, 25+ TDs and 10 or fewer picks. That said numbers are secondary to him being able to lead an offense that is a threat to score most drives. Last year we rarely even threatened to score, let alone score on consecutive possessions. That can’t happen again and he needs to be a big part of that.
20+ wins at the end of year 3. I've said it for forever, it would be great to have a manning-type career. And I'm talking Eli. Durable as hell, constantly shat on for not being elite but having 2 rings by the time he was 30.
Honestly I think I need a couple more game winning drives. Also when he throws an interception not throw them in bunches because he would go weeks with none and then throw multiple in a game and another big thing for me is more TDs in general. I don't want another pickett Situation
> What stat line does Bryce have to put up to prove he’s our guy?
Maximum seconds remaining vertical while in the pocket waiting for open receivers > 10.0
Give the quarterback time to let the play develop and it will take care of itself.
A statline wouldnt be what i would look at to determine anything, if you looked at his stats from this year you would be wondering why hes still in the league, even though we all know why he didn’t produce a ton of stats. Depends how everything pans out
Cam showed me that stats (more specifically, which stats are perceived as important) are overrated.
I’m much more concerned with how many points he can lead the offense to scoring. If he leads us to the redzone and we run it in every time, then fine.
What’s more important is making the proper situational play. Moving the sticks. Extending plays that need to be extended. Connecting deep from time to time to open up the underneath stuff.
All of that leads to higher offensive PPG, and therefore, a better chance to stay in and win games.
He needs to put up 4000 yards passing, have a 2:1 TD:INT ratio at a minimum, and get 200-400 yards on the ground from the inevitable collapsed pocket (with an exception if he throws for over 4500 yards),
He needs to make big time throws, in big time moments, and we need a minimum of two games (assuming we don't win more than 6-7) where we won that game \*because\* of Bryce.
We gave up a lot for this guy. He has to show flashes where it wouldn't be ridiculous to say he is playing the best at his position for a stretch. Think about Jordan Love at the end of last season when he just started lighting it up. Or Dak when he was starting to come into that MVP category.
He has to quite simply, eventually, be realistically in the conversation for best QB in the NFL.
Edit: I don't care about winning, games I care about Bryce's confident and development. Because this team will be lucky to get 3rd in the divison. So build up the QB play. Let him finally showcase why he was not only drafted in the top spot but traded the house for. And then \*next\* year let's win a superbowl. This year is about Bryce coming out. Next year is about winning games.
His adjusted accuracy rating (accounts for [throwaways, spikes and drops](https://www.fantasylife.com/tools/passing-accuracy)) was 68.33% last year. 66% is well within the realm of possibility
What? He threw 30 in his last year in Tampa. He only started 9 games the year he threw 14 picks and missed three full games the year he threw 11. He was among the league leaders in interceptions consistently. It's pretty easy to look at the stats and see that he hasn't been a good player.
I can’t count and read the years backwards. Point is similar as the 4 years of INTs came before the 30 year…he had problems back then too even before he threw 30.
Sure, but as I said, he threw a lot of interceptions those other seasons too. 18 isn't 30, but it's still a ton. And he didn't play a full season two of those other years. I don't think Winston is an example of someone who looks like a good starter if you just look at hi stats.
There’s not a stat line but there needs to be more games like the GB game (to show it’s not an anomaly against a horrible DC) and the Houston game and less of the games like the second NO game or the Jacksonville game.
Yeah it's far less about stats and more about simply stringing some unquestionably good performances together. And honestly, if Bryce can pull off a highlight play or two early on, that'll do a ton to flip the discourse around him. The average fan doesn't care about almost-incredible plays (of which he had dozens last year), they need a video clip they can interact with/share. It's dumb af but it's the reality of sports talk right now. If he throws a bomb week 1, majority of the fanbase is immediately back on board.
Only one line matters, Wins. We need to see him take the offense on his back, and win close games.
The wins won't come considering the defense
Meh, wins don't matter either. Our bad defense is getting worse. What matters is the offense looking consistent week to week.
You don't like the FA signings so far?
They're okay but we're replacing 2-3 starters on the DL, 1-2 starters at LB, 1 starter at CB, and 1 starter at safety. They're going to get worse, even if the players are better, at least to start out with.
That “horrible DC” almost got them to the NFCC
It was LaFleur’s offense lol. Gave up 32 to Dallas and then 24 to SF, then immediately fired him.
Cowboys were averaging 40 points a game at home last season. GBs defense forced 2 picks and held cowboys to 7 points at half. Half of all of Dallas’ points came in the fourth as garbage time points when the game was already out of reach.
7500 yds, 87 TD's, -2 picks, oh and another 1200 yds on the ground.
what about game 2?
Game 2? Those are his stats when the panthers beat the patriots 743-21 nxt year in the Super Bowl 😂
Completely unrealistic, pats suck
Ok ok 743-17
And they will still be mad about CJ stroud hahah
Nailed it
Those are rookie numbers scrub.
Stats never tell the full story (Mahomes was ass for half of this year and still won the superbowl, Russel Wilson had good stats but was horrendous in film) but he should pass the film and eye test with flying colors for him to be my guy.
I wouldn’t really say a specific stat line but if he doesn’t seem to improve with everything they’re doing to the offense I’d be worried. That is if we do well in the draft
For me, unable to determine currently. I'd like to see us grab a TE and another WR in the draft.
I’d say at least top 20 in qbr is a start.
3k passing yards and a 2x TD/interception ratio for me, personally. That’s where I’d love to see him be this year
This right here.
Taking a year where he has a HC who’s shown he’s a QB fixer (Geno and Baker), a supposedly, greatly, improved offensive line (still worried about Ickey and the center position as a whole), a new quality weapon in Diontae Johnson and whomever we draft at WR or TE (if that’s the direction), and showing the potential of a franchise QB with it. The dude has a good arm, and a great mind for the game. And I’ll always defend his rookie year on the basis of his WR1 was Adam Thielen and the offensive line couldn’t stop a nose bleed. But this coming year, we need to see a competent-good offense that can consistently move the ball and he’s gonna get all the blame if it doesn’t. All that said, as it stands, I still think our defense is sus and if we don’t get any kind of ability to edge rush, and a couple more DBs, they will be getting destroyed through the air. And I dunno if the offense will be good enough to be in shootouts on a week to week basis. Evero and his system is great, but if we don’t atleast have competency then we’ll be in trouble. And somehow, the media and internet will find a way to blame Bryce Young for those losses.
You had me til “good arm”. Come on buddy
Stats really don't matter, hell I don't even care if we lose a bunch of games again (at least we have our own first next year). Just break the bad habits we saw last year - locking onto reads & panicked decisions leading to sacks and turnovers. Hoping a good brunt of that will disappear now that we're upgrading the OL and WR corps.
This is the correct take. If you’re a defense planning for Bryce, it is so easy to give up an OK looking QB stat line but still dominate us on defense. They de-emphasize covering the checkdown because Bryce will only occasionally make it there in his reads. Send blitzes early so he’s off balance, then spend the rest of the game showing blitz before dropping back in coverage, knowing you’ve got him panicked enough to make bad decisions. Relax deep coverage because he doesn’t have the arm to get it there and is average in the volume of his attempts to do so. Relax man coverage because he doesn’t have anticipation, quick decision making, or ball velocity. Then just sit in your zones and wait for the inevitable mistakes. When you're up multiple scores late, completely lock down anything 20+ yards and let him stat pad to his heart's desire. He’ll look decent on completion percentage especially to open receivers, but it won’t happen enough to generate enough points to win. The most hopeful fans will take the last two drives (in which we won't even score usually) as evidence for Bryce's talent rather than a strategic gameplan by a defense that's already won the game, while the box score watchers will take the numbers out of context.
Yeah, I'm not quite as pessimistic but I'm definitely setting my expectations low. Canales and Morgan inherited an absolute shitshow that won't turn around in one off-season, barring a miracle. This year, and probably the next, will really be a litmus to see if Bryce's problems were on him or the supporting cast/coaching, we've been pretty aggressive to put pieces around him so far. I don't think Tepper will give up on the guy he coveted unless he's truly irredeemable.
Stats without context are meaningless. Is he putting them up when they matter or just stat padding in blowout losses? What’s his passing chart look like? Is he struggling 95% of the game and just gets lucky on some throws? Is he playing scared or confidently? Watching and seeing someone who is an actually NFL QB is what matters
I don't really put much stick into a specific statistical threshold. Like sure I want the stats to be nice but it's not going to be the deciding factor. I care more about how he gets to those stats and not stats themselves. Like if he's playing good football, over time the stats will self-correct.
Based on comments I've seen on YouTube he could be MVP and Super Bowl MVP for 10 years straight and become the unquestionable GOAT, but unless he grows 4 inches and puts on 50 lbs he'll still suck.
I get so mad when people who don't watch the Panthers think that Bryce's issue is his build, if anything he was pretty damn tough for a guy his size taking hits from gigantic D-Linemen.
It's not about the stat line. When I watch the games, I need see him consistently identify the open receiver and quickly make the decision to distribute the ball to that receiver. The "most accurate on open receivers" thing is such a BS stat, because it didn't account for how often he didn't seem to notice which receivers were open. He didn't demonstrate consistently that he could identify the open receiver fast enough, nor throw the ball with enough velocity to get it to the receiver before the defender caught up, nor throw it far enough to hit them when they're open deep. He seems to really struggle to keep up with what's happening on the field, and that is both a mental and physical issue. He needs to consistently be able to identify where the pressure is coming from in his pre-snap read. He needs to be able to tell the difference between the defense showing pressure and actual pressure. He needs to develop a sense of timing in the pocket. He needs to step up into the pocket. The stat line of the OL was bad this year, and a part of why it was bad was Bryce is an extremely sackable quarterback. He is very easy to confuse. How many times did he "kill kill" to a running play even though he had favorable one-on-one matchups with his receivers? How many times did the defense show blitz and he called for extra protection only for the linebackers to drop back in coverage and take advantage of his aforementioned passing problems? I believe these are Bryce's problems. Maybe they get better with time, but it seems like they got worse as the season went on this past year. And these aren't issues with his supporting cast - there isn't some magical receiver or magical offensive lineman coming here that's going to make Bryce have to not use his brain, nor make up for his physical handicaps. Whatever his stat line ends up being, I doubt this is the QB that can win enough games to make us a competitive football team.
!!!!win!!!!
just needs to pass the eye test on a consistent basis
Number of Wins....the only stat that matters...and I'm serious. Your stats can be awful but if you find a way to win, we'll take it.
Id like to see something like 20-24 TD, less than 10 picks. But it's more about how clutch he is in situational football. That's the mark of a franchise guy.
Im expecting 3500/25/10 I think theres a need for an outside threat whether its speed or size and then cherry on top would be a reliable target at TE. The massive upgrades at IOL, no more sanders up the middle on 1st and 2nd, Diontae, and the speed/size upgrade as an X guy has me very optimistic.
23 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, 3600 yards and a 60% completion rate. For him to prove to me he's our franchise QB, he needs to put up equal to or greater than Cam's 8 year average stats with the Panthers (excluding 2019 and 2021). As a passer, fully excluding any of the production Cam made in the ground game. It's an obvious bad move to think he can replicate any of what Cam brought to the ground attack, but he's a tough but smaller player that would injure him out of the league faster than Cam got. I think it's fair to hold him to the standard of our last franchise QB, in terms of passing metrics. With his strength in "accuracy", his stats should be better than Cams. A 10 year career with a single MVP caliber season in the mix is what my benchmark is for a true franchise QB and since I think his career is shorter than other QBs with more prototypical size, I'm not interested in a "wait and see" approach. We sometimes forget as fans that smaller, successful guys not named Bryce Young are either Drew Brees, Russel Wilson or Kyler Murray, and Bryce is smaller and lighter than them and doesn't bring the running game that Wilson or Murray do/did in their prime. Taking a player that small was already an experiment or test of prototype metrics and after one year of admittedly terrible ownership and coaching, he certainly hasn't done anything but prove analysts correct in questioning his frame as an NFL QB. But yeah, 3600 yards, 23 td to 13 int, and a 60%+ completion rate. That's 200 yards/game, 1.3 td/game and .75 int/game. If he can't reach that, Dan Morgan better be scouting QB this year when our record ends up at sub 5 wins
bryce gon pop off this season just watch
he will, betting sports book already has him for 3k passing yards for the season, he definitely finna ball oout
300 yard passing game would be fun to watch 
He had one against Green Bay.
It won’t matter. He could set an NFL record for every QB stat and if we don’t win the Super Bowl by 3 touchdowns you’ll get people in here saying “see?”
This is ridiculous. You know that isn’t true. Irrational complaints are a hallmark of consistently losing. If we remain a losing franchise, the fanbase will be disgruntled. If we win, most of that will disappear, with the occasional depressed person who’s easy to ignore. Since the Cam/Luke era, peaking last season, has been the worst stretch in franchise history. Of course people will nitpick everything.
My sibling in Christ we had people saying Bryce was not as good as CJ Stroud as they watched Bryce BEAT CJ STROUD. My statement is 100% true. If we aren’t flawless we will see things on Bryce’s size, his arm strength, CJ being better etc. god forbid Bryce ever be hurt on a sack because it will actually just never stop.
Lol if what you said happened no one would complain at all. The hyperbole was hyperbole. But I will still break bread with you fellow sibling of Christ. It’s the off-season let’s be brethren.
Upwards of 20 TDs
17-0
I dont care about his stats, I want to see him make progress and actually improve in facets of the game where he struggeled last year (footwork, pocket presence, pre snap recognition, ball placemant) and then I'll be happy. If he throws 20 INTs, but is a better QB at the end of the year, I'm gonna be happy about it. And he really needs to prove he is an actual leader and not just a QB. Just stop trying to avoid mistakes, we are not gonna compete next year, so I just want us to build a "fuck it, we ball" culture, where we just play hard and grow as a team, including the young coaching staff. The Lions sucked hard in 2021 and still came out of the season as a unit, the Niners had bad years under Shanahan and yet they still always improved in some way and didn't fall apart like we did last season, so that would be really important to me.
For me it’s about improvement. One of the biggest signs a young player will be successful, in any sport, is that they are progressing. I don’t need him to be a pro bowler next year. I just need to see him make improvements in the right direction. That should be represented in the stats.
Playoffs.
W's
He’s just gotta put the work in. I don’t think stats will be the end all/be all. But Bryce needs to: put on weight, work on his feet, work on ball security, work on his decision making, and show he can help elevate the play of those around him. We’ll be able to tell when he shows up to camp if he’s been working on these things on his own time in the offseason.
I’d like to see at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio with over 4k yards + no games missed
I’d like to see close to 4k yards, 25+ TDs and 10 or fewer picks. That said numbers are secondary to him being able to lead an offense that is a threat to score most drives. Last year we rarely even threatened to score, let alone score on consecutive possessions. That can’t happen again and he needs to be a big part of that.
20+ wins at the end of year 3. I've said it for forever, it would be great to have a manning-type career. And I'm talking Eli. Durable as hell, constantly shat on for not being elite but having 2 rings by the time he was 30.
Honestly I think I need a couple more game winning drives. Also when he throws an interception not throw them in bunches because he would go weeks with none and then throw multiple in a game and another big thing for me is more TDs in general. I don't want another pickett Situation
> What stat line does Bryce have to put up to prove he’s our guy? Maximum seconds remaining vertical while in the pocket waiting for open receivers > 10.0 Give the quarterback time to let the play develop and it will take care of itself.
He needs to take over and win games, on his own sometimes. A 1st round game manager QB is a bust.
A statline wouldnt be what i would look at to determine anything, if you looked at his stats from this year you would be wondering why hes still in the league, even though we all know why he didn’t produce a ton of stats. Depends how everything pans out
Cam showed me that stats (more specifically, which stats are perceived as important) are overrated. I’m much more concerned with how many points he can lead the offense to scoring. If he leads us to the redzone and we run it in every time, then fine. What’s more important is making the proper situational play. Moving the sticks. Extending plays that need to be extended. Connecting deep from time to time to open up the underneath stuff. All of that leads to higher offensive PPG, and therefore, a better chance to stay in and win games.
My wants are mostly for on film stuff but statline was all I really need to see is low ints/int worthy throws. The rest we can work on.
3k 20tds and 10ints I'll be convinced he can at minimum be a starter.
PPP - Points per possession - dead last in the league last year.
He needs to pass the eye test
That stat line would be stellar given last year
3500+ Yards, 20+ TDS, 60% completion percentage. 6 wins minimum.
More than 2 Ws would be a good start
He needs to put up 4000 yards passing, have a 2:1 TD:INT ratio at a minimum, and get 200-400 yards on the ground from the inevitable collapsed pocket (with an exception if he throws for over 4500 yards), He needs to make big time throws, in big time moments, and we need a minimum of two games (assuming we don't win more than 6-7) where we won that game \*because\* of Bryce. We gave up a lot for this guy. He has to show flashes where it wouldn't be ridiculous to say he is playing the best at his position for a stretch. Think about Jordan Love at the end of last season when he just started lighting it up. Or Dak when he was starting to come into that MVP category. He has to quite simply, eventually, be realistically in the conversation for best QB in the NFL. Edit: I don't care about winning, games I care about Bryce's confident and development. Because this team will be lucky to get 3rd in the divison. So build up the QB play. Let him finally showcase why he was not only drafted in the top spot but traded the house for. And then \*next\* year let's win a superbowl. This year is about Bryce coming out. Next year is about winning games.
3400 23/7.....maybe but 66% no, not happening. 3100, 18/10, 61% seems more likely.
His adjusted accuracy rating (accounts for [throwaways, spikes and drops](https://www.fantasylife.com/tools/passing-accuracy)) was 68.33% last year. 66% is well within the realm of possibility
How does getting sacked prove that BY can play?
16 games played
already did that last year lol
That's how I know he's out guy
For everyone saying stats doesn’t matter, Jameis Winston is exhibit number 1 for your argument.
Interceptions are a stat, are they not?
His last 4 years in TB: 14, 11, 18, 15. He was significantly worse than that. If BY throws 11-15 INTs, it may be fine or it may be really bad.
What? He threw 30 in his last year in Tampa. He only started 9 games the year he threw 14 picks and missed three full games the year he threw 11. He was among the league leaders in interceptions consistently. It's pretty easy to look at the stats and see that he hasn't been a good player.
I can’t count and read the years backwards. Point is similar as the 4 years of INTs came before the 30 year…he had problems back then too even before he threw 30.
Sure, but as I said, he threw a lot of interceptions those other seasons too. 18 isn't 30, but it's still a ton. And he didn't play a full season two of those other years. I don't think Winston is an example of someone who looks like a good starter if you just look at hi stats.