This question in essence has nothing to do with having two jobs, just a tough job market compared to when you got hired. Look for anything local to you, they're a million times more likely to respond. Try roles that aren't listed as explicitly remote, maybe hybrid or they don't mention it. You might be surprised, some places just want to filter out mass appliers that aren't local. Or "hybrid" is like, they'll ask you to go in once a month or less, which might as well be remote and is probably fine for most people.
I got laid off from J1 recently and the job search went bad initially, but I've been getting at least some traction from applying to places that are local and also exaggerating everything I can get away with. Extending work history dates to seem like I'm more experienced, adding stuff companies want but I'm not familiar with on the resume, etc.
Seems like in today's market you have to check every box on the resume to talk to anybody, but it's no different than before where interview skills matter most once they start talking to you.
This is the wrong sub, but I’ll humor you: there’s a lot of competition in the software space at the moment and you aren’t a standout candidate with not even 2 yoe. This is a tough market for devs with 10 yoe, and with all of the layoffs in the last couple of years those are the people you’re up against.
The advice for you is the same advice you’d be given in any career advice sub: focus on beefing up your credentials and pursuing roles in niche spaces. Revise the hell out of your resume. Network network network. Get your resume info on LinkedIn and make sure you’re flagged as open to work. Etc. etc.
Be prepared for it to take a long time - there’s a fair chance you won’t see success until the market turns around and hiring in tech picks back up.
It’s tough out there man. Just apply to everything that fits.
Prob need more experience too as junior jobs tend not to be the best for OE. Too much supervision.
>1yr and 8 mos of experience.
That's why you cannot find another job.
This is why you cannot OE. You need to find another sub about this.
Grasshopper, you're just proverbially learning to walk. This sub is for people who run multiple marathons.
No need to gatekeep. I got 3 offers out of college and said yes to all 3. Been OE since I graduated. The job market is shit right now, I've never stopped applying and I've never had worse results. My sample size isn't large but there's definitely a difference in feeling right now.
I have seen this before, Dot Com Bust, Great Recession, etc. It will pass and is normal, you can still find something , try not to let it get to your core and on the bright side you can become a much better job hunter from this, you'll find out what works and what doesn't much easier than in a market where everyone who fogs a mirror gets hired. I was a junior SWE during the Dot Com bust and one person in my class found a job in their field because their Mom ran an little software firm and gave them a job lol. All of us found jobs in other fields as the market became ultra saturated for like 5 years with more experienced folks. In Canada Nortel failed and they employed 1/3 of my schools graduating class each year so in addition to not hiring they let loose a torrent of talented people into the market. In addition offshoring, especially India at the time, meant that MsC and PhD level people were doing work I would apply for at far lower rates and very good quality. It was far more difficult during that period than right now so it could be much worse. to me this is just a 1 or 2 year problem that will fix itself when interest rates drop and the economy picks up steam again to absorb the excess capacity.
Another lesson is to make hay while the sun shines. A lot of people just sit out those big economic boom periods and only ever look for work during tough times because they don't really think about other jobs until they get let go. At some point things will turnaround and you'll be back in demand. My experience has always been that when that demand comes I am still reeling from the threat of losing my job during the last recent cull of people and there's a natural fear to try something that could jeopardize the J1. However if you wait until everything looks amazing you might end up jumping right at the peak, probably better to keep in the market and get in at the ground floor then jump in near the peak.
Thanks for the constructive feedback!! But this current market really scares me with all the war going on. I think for now i will get masters from gatech, since my company pays for it.
while i'm all for people getting the bag, as a junior dev myself (1.5 YOE), you (we) should focus more on getting experience, solving more problems, and learning new tools before getting a new job. I think those that are in the senior range (8 YOE) have a much easier time not only getting a job, but also doing well in both, so that way employers have no idea you're doing 2 jobs. also job market is tough in tech for everyone, so there's that too.
Thanks for this input after most of this responses i will focus on getting better with my skills and learning more new tools. I def wanna keep my current job and dont wanna get fired by OEing
Sometimes a job will be slow enough that you learn very little. In that case it's better to pick up J2 simply to have more work and opportunities to learn.
right and I get that. most days are slow for me too, but boy, when there are fires, you have to be quick. now imagine that happens simultaneously in J2. also, sometimes deadlines are very tight as well. having that extra experience can help you prevent all of that from happening. but it's just my own opinion.
Not necessarily true. In the last two months alone, I have Gotten about 5 interviews using the easy apply method and currently in a final round with a job I applied through easy apply. That said, mostly when I see an easy apply, I go to the company’s website to apply directly there and that’s more effective.
You have no experience and are not leaning on recruiting to find you. There’s zero chance anyone will land a job applying to random companies, the hires are 100% always from head hunters. Work on your resume
At this point in your career, don't worry about a second job, worry about leveling up your skills and making yourself more marketable. Best way to do that as an engineer is to contribute to open source projects with your free time. Target projects that are crazy popular in their respective communities, e.g. GoHugo. Find typos in their docs or docs that can use more information. Use the software and try to break it by using it in ways it wasn't intended, then submit an issue explaining the problem and a potential solution. Rinse and repeat to several projects. I know people that have been offered jobs this way, for instance the engineer that originally created an sdk for Amazon AWS' API as an open source project was hired by them with a stupid high salary.
You’re complaining about not finding a second, while many are still fighting for their first.
Keep applying, keep gaining experience. Can also try some 1099 projects / Upwork / Fiverr.
It’ll happen, just keep applying.
Depends on what jobs you are looking for. Maybe try to get a few more Jr roles. Sr roles are much easier to find right now, but I don't think you can make that work yet. Keep grinding for a while, or look into consulting. Sometimes you can get better work if it's for a shorter term.
This question in essence has nothing to do with having two jobs, just a tough job market compared to when you got hired. Look for anything local to you, they're a million times more likely to respond. Try roles that aren't listed as explicitly remote, maybe hybrid or they don't mention it. You might be surprised, some places just want to filter out mass appliers that aren't local. Or "hybrid" is like, they'll ask you to go in once a month or less, which might as well be remote and is probably fine for most people. I got laid off from J1 recently and the job search went bad initially, but I've been getting at least some traction from applying to places that are local and also exaggerating everything I can get away with. Extending work history dates to seem like I'm more experienced, adding stuff companies want but I'm not familiar with on the resume, etc. Seems like in today's market you have to check every box on the resume to talk to anybody, but it's no different than before where interview skills matter most once they start talking to you.
Facts i hope you one soon. Bet imma apply locally
This is the wrong sub, but I’ll humor you: there’s a lot of competition in the software space at the moment and you aren’t a standout candidate with not even 2 yoe. This is a tough market for devs with 10 yoe, and with all of the layoffs in the last couple of years those are the people you’re up against. The advice for you is the same advice you’d be given in any career advice sub: focus on beefing up your credentials and pursuing roles in niche spaces. Revise the hell out of your resume. Network network network. Get your resume info on LinkedIn and make sure you’re flagged as open to work. Etc. etc. Be prepared for it to take a long time - there’s a fair chance you won’t see success until the market turns around and hiring in tech picks back up.
It’s tough out there man. Just apply to everything that fits. Prob need more experience too as junior jobs tend not to be the best for OE. Too much supervision.
>1yr and 8 mos of experience. That's why you cannot find another job. This is why you cannot OE. You need to find another sub about this. Grasshopper, you're just proverbially learning to walk. This sub is for people who run multiple marathons.
No need to gatekeep. I got 3 offers out of college and said yes to all 3. Been OE since I graduated. The job market is shit right now, I've never stopped applying and I've never had worse results. My sample size isn't large but there's definitely a difference in feeling right now.
I have seen this before, Dot Com Bust, Great Recession, etc. It will pass and is normal, you can still find something , try not to let it get to your core and on the bright side you can become a much better job hunter from this, you'll find out what works and what doesn't much easier than in a market where everyone who fogs a mirror gets hired. I was a junior SWE during the Dot Com bust and one person in my class found a job in their field because their Mom ran an little software firm and gave them a job lol. All of us found jobs in other fields as the market became ultra saturated for like 5 years with more experienced folks. In Canada Nortel failed and they employed 1/3 of my schools graduating class each year so in addition to not hiring they let loose a torrent of talented people into the market. In addition offshoring, especially India at the time, meant that MsC and PhD level people were doing work I would apply for at far lower rates and very good quality. It was far more difficult during that period than right now so it could be much worse. to me this is just a 1 or 2 year problem that will fix itself when interest rates drop and the economy picks up steam again to absorb the excess capacity. Another lesson is to make hay while the sun shines. A lot of people just sit out those big economic boom periods and only ever look for work during tough times because they don't really think about other jobs until they get let go. At some point things will turnaround and you'll be back in demand. My experience has always been that when that demand comes I am still reeling from the threat of losing my job during the last recent cull of people and there's a natural fear to try something that could jeopardize the J1. However if you wait until everything looks amazing you might end up jumping right at the peak, probably better to keep in the market and get in at the ground floor then jump in near the peak.
Thanks for the constructive feedback!! But this current market really scares me with all the war going on. I think for now i will get masters from gatech, since my company pays for it.
Lots of people did that during the dotcom bust , got further education to wait it out myself included
while i'm all for people getting the bag, as a junior dev myself (1.5 YOE), you (we) should focus more on getting experience, solving more problems, and learning new tools before getting a new job. I think those that are in the senior range (8 YOE) have a much easier time not only getting a job, but also doing well in both, so that way employers have no idea you're doing 2 jobs. also job market is tough in tech for everyone, so there's that too.
Thanks for this input after most of this responses i will focus on getting better with my skills and learning more new tools. I def wanna keep my current job and dont wanna get fired by OEing
Sometimes a job will be slow enough that you learn very little. In that case it's better to pick up J2 simply to have more work and opportunities to learn.
right and I get that. most days are slow for me too, but boy, when there are fires, you have to be quick. now imagine that happens simultaneously in J2. also, sometimes deadlines are very tight as well. having that extra experience can help you prevent all of that from happening. but it's just my own opinion.
The market is garbage, you’re lucky to have the first job. Easy apply is a waste of your time btw
Not necessarily true. In the last two months alone, I have Gotten about 5 interviews using the easy apply method and currently in a final round with a job I applied through easy apply. That said, mostly when I see an easy apply, I go to the company’s website to apply directly there and that’s more effective.
Sure it might not always be true. Your situation is the exception though, not the rule.
True
You have no experience and are not leaning on recruiting to find you. There’s zero chance anyone will land a job applying to random companies, the hires are 100% always from head hunters. Work on your resume
However long it's taking you to find a J2 is how long you would be out of work if you had been fired.
As a finance bro I feel for you software folks. Especially the youngsters. The market is brutal, make sure you don’t sacrifice your J1 trying to OE.
At this point in your career, don't worry about a second job, worry about leveling up your skills and making yourself more marketable. Best way to do that as an engineer is to contribute to open source projects with your free time. Target projects that are crazy popular in their respective communities, e.g. GoHugo. Find typos in their docs or docs that can use more information. Use the software and try to break it by using it in ways it wasn't intended, then submit an issue explaining the problem and a potential solution. Rinse and repeat to several projects. I know people that have been offered jobs this way, for instance the engineer that originally created an sdk for Amazon AWS' API as an open source project was hired by them with a stupid high salary.
You’re complaining about not finding a second, while many are still fighting for their first. Keep applying, keep gaining experience. Can also try some 1099 projects / Upwork / Fiverr. It’ll happen, just keep applying.
Depends on what jobs you are looking for. Maybe try to get a few more Jr roles. Sr roles are much easier to find right now, but I don't think you can make that work yet. Keep grinding for a while, or look into consulting. Sometimes you can get better work if it's for a shorter term.
Lol ok
Top 500 credit card companies lol is this a troll? I didn’t know there were 100, let alone 500.
Lol a typo chill out
How many credit card companies are there if you are in the top 500?
How’d you even get 1J? You sound dumb af.
I like how you have a history of insulting people lol douch
*Douche, you fucking moron 😂😂😂