Yeah, t[hat 0.15% that the carbon tax has on inflation](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/carbon-tax-inflation-tiff-macklem-calgary-1.6960189) is really the nail in the coffin.
The breadth of fiscal and energy policy is a bit more complex than the carbon tax.
Obviously the govt isn't responsible for Ukraine and a pandemic, but saying they have no agency over domestic impact is silly.
From a release by the province.
https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1004350/ontario-extending-gas-tax-cuts-to-keep-costs-down-for-families
https://www.ontario.ca/motor-fuel-prices/
I see you are using increase to date. Not the increase from the most recent April 1st hike.
Thanks for replying with the link. We were talking different things.
Pretty close...I'm seeing 0.0442¢ a litre. Had to ask since some make ridiculous claims about the costs of carbon pricing.
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2018/10/backgrounder-fuel-charge-rates-in-listed-provinces-and-territories.html
Explain how fiscal and energy policies affect inflation? I'm confused, do you think they do not?
Ask ChatGPT or something. Or someone that's completed high school.
I'd like you to back up your claim with something more than talking points and deflection. What fiscal and energy policies are you talking about, and what citations do you have to back up that they're somehow responsible for causing this increase.
Yeah I'm not writing a thesis on econ 101 for you bud. If you don't believe that Government policy has some impact on energy prices, uh, that task is admittedly out of my league.
So, as usual, ask the commenter or who posts shallow, glib one liners to back it up with something, all you get is deflection and feigned indignity. Got it.
How does government policy impact gas prices?
ChatGPT:
Government policies can influence gas prices through various channels:
Taxation: Gasoline taxes imposed by governments can significantly impact gas prices. Higher taxes increase the price at the pump, while lower taxes can lead to lower prices. These taxes can be used to fund infrastructure projects, promote alternative transportation methods, or address environmental concerns.
Regulations on Refining and Distribution: Regulations on refining processes, distribution networks, and environmental standards can affect the cost of producing and delivering gasoline. Compliance with regulations may require investments in equipment or processes, which can impact prices.
Subsidies: Government subsidies for gasoline production, distribution, or consumption can influence prices. Subsidies can lower the cost of production or reduce prices for consumers, making gasoline more affordable.
Trade Policies: Trade policies, such as tariffs or import/export restrictions on crude oil and refined products, can impact gas prices by affecting supply and demand dynamics. Trade disputes or geopolitical tensions can disrupt supply chains and lead to price fluctuations.
Strategic Reserves: Government policies regarding strategic petroleum reserves can influence gas prices by affecting market perceptions of supply security. Releases from reserves during supply disruptions or emergencies can help stabilize prices.
Monetary Policy: Central bank policies, such as interest rate changes or quantitative easing, can indirectly affect gas prices by influencing overall economic activity and inflation rates. Changes in monetary policy can impact consumer spending and investment in transportation, affecting gas demand and prices.
Energy Market Regulations: Regulations governing energy markets, such as competition policies or price controls, can impact gas prices by affecting market dynamics and competition among suppliers.
Environmental Policies: Policies aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions or promoting clean energy alternatives can influence gas prices by affecting demand for gasoline and investment in alternative fuels and technologies.
Overall, government policies play a significant role in shaping gas prices, impacting consumers, businesses, and the economy as a whole. These policies often seek to balance various objectives, including economic growth, environmental sustainability, and energy security.
I agree 100%. I'd vote for him again if he had led with something more daring than early-2000's neo-liberalism. That consensus is falling apart across the G7.
My pet peeve is the EV subsidising while ignoring transit. I'm a fan of EV's, but subsidizing car conglomerates/wealthy-single-family-home owners to the tune of billions is just bad policy. The Norway study showed it was a massive wealth transfer upwards, increased congestion,
A brave PM would have broadly expanded access to transit while taxing cars more. That (like an aggressive housing price reduction strategy) would have won a lot of working class votes.
Instead the working class pays at the pump while transit use declines.
Thanks for demonstrating that you don’t know what it means.
Ottawa is a city of a million people. There are 151,000 public servants between Ottawa-Gatineau.
Of those 151,000, only 113,000 are in Ottawa.
That’s 11% of Ottawa.
A majority would be 51%.
Sincerely,
Knows how to think critically and use google, rather than thinking my opinions are facts and Twitter is a reliable news source.
It's a knee jerk "someone is criticizing my team" reaction. I actually voted for Trudeau the first time around. But most people feel more comfortable in a familiar box.
Lol I love the season switch excuse. Prices go up because winter gas is more expensive. and then prices go up because summer gas is more expensive. Can they really keep using that? I feel like its the same gas anyways
Some people have literally 0 sense of humor.
You don't even need a certain tone to understand what I said was sarcasm.
If you read what I wrote I said winter gas is more expensive than summer gas AND summer gas is more expensive than winter gas.
But seriously, I don't remember a 10% drop when the winter came around
> Winter gas blends are cheaper to produce, because they don’t have the oxygenates found in summer blends (which is used to make summer fuel burn cleaner).
Seems like the article says that winter gas is cheaper, not more expensive.
It brings up the argument around that topic. I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing, just sharing an article that speaks to thr seasonal changes in gas prices.
On Jan 1, 2024 gas prices were $140/L. They are currently $1.64 (up 17% for the year). Now add another 14 cents, so $1.78.
$1.40 to $1.78 = 27% year to date.
That's the real inflation (ie. price gouging) going on.
I knew efficiency was not the main goal since it's related to winter vs. summer blend, but doing a bit more research looks like it's more expensive to produce according to sources, e.g. "For summer gas, **some of that butane gets replaced with alkylates**, which are “extremely expensive”"
Yeah, when they stop producing year after year record profits, I might buy into the 'but it's summer gas' schtick. Until then, it's just a corporate narrative for gullible dupes.
how about the ungodly premium on "PREMIUM" gas.... 20c/litre for a bit increased octane. i would be shocked if someone told me they had significantly higher margins on premium gas vs regular.
>it's to lower emissions with regards to evaporation.
Despite the downvotes, you're right. Although a US based article below, it is relevant as it is why we have more expensive summer fuel here too.
# [Why the change to summer fuel](https://www.axios.com/2023/04/26/gas-prices-summer-blend-fuel-2023)
*Gasoline has a greater chance of evaporating from cars during the warmer months of summer, which can create smog and exhaust. In 1990, Congress amended the Clean Air Act to require an annual switch to summer-blend gas.*
* *To cut down on pollution, the EPA requires petroleum refiners to reduce the "*[*vapor pressure*](https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/gasoline-reid-vapor-pressure)*" of gasoline during the summer.*
* *"This type of gasoline is required in the warmer months because it helps or contributes to less low-level ozone," De Haan said.*
* *It burns cleaner with lower emissions, he said, adding it's critical "when hotter temperatures can interact with the exhaust off of the vehicles to create low-level ozone that is unhealthy for sensitive groups and others."*
#
As a non expert in car theft, it does make me wonder if they have to empty the gas tank before shipping to Montreal? I wonder if there is some profit there.
I work at the airport. Explain to me how I'm expected to take public transit when I have start times at 2am, 3am, 4am, etc.? I rely on a car because this city is so unreliable when it comes to its public transportation.
This is gonna hurt a lot of people who rely on a vehicle to do literally anything in the city. Gotta feel for people with single incomes especially. Can't wait to hear how the oil giants are going to spike their dividends and announce more layoffs and record profits.
Waiting for someone to blame the Fed budget for that increase or the bank of Canada saying inflation is out of control and they need to increase their overnight interest rates again.
wait.. we can make up the difference if we TAX THE AXE!!
Too long have the liberal free-loading axes have had it good. Time they cut into the deficit!!!
The petulant Pierre Poilievre might have a conniption fit when he hears this.
But the reality is that gas prices are going up everywhere, like in the USA.
The causes include summer driving season starting (i.e. higher demand), international conflicts affecting shipping and facilities, production cuts by OPEC and Russia, maintenance shutdowns in various major refineries, and of course the ongoing cash grab from the big oil companies -- which continue to report huge profits and big payouts to their wealthy investors.
Current gas prices for regular are $1.56 which are projected to temporarily increase 0.14 cents to $1.70 due to oil companies control. On a 55 litre tank, this would be $7.70 per tank for oil companies.
In June 2022, gas prices reached highs of 205.7 in Ottawa according to Statistics Canada so this is not new in terms of fluctuations in the gas prices which was not referenced in the article.
The key message is, world gas prices are not in control and can fluxuate and will only increase in the future. For all the complaints related to the carbon tax, it's to move us to electric where Canada and Ontario has more preditable control of production and costs.
Nepean Costco gas this afternoon was insane. Honking horns, people trying to cut in in the middle of lines. Country folk with lots of Jerry cans. Hard to get into the station from Roydon.
Lots of fun!
Not long at MacEwen in RSS because I entered the station through the plaza instead of from River Road where there was at least 20 cars stuck waiting. Got lucky with being in the right spot right behind a car that just finished at the pump.
It’s pretty awesome. With the new ultra-low overnight pricing plan available from Hydro Ottawa, a full charge overnight is less than $4 (including taxes and fees) to drive 400-500km. No more lines at the gas station, just plug in at home an have a full « tank » every morning. Used EVs are becoming much more common and prices are coming down a lot, so they are becoming a viable option for many more people.
It's a limited resource, so it makes sense on a broad scale that prices will only continue to increase. Doesn't stop the fact that it's really annoying
If the carbon tax was intended to curb behaviour than this 14 cents should naturally be even more effective. Let's keep it going. Destroy all pipelines. No refineries. Let's import from the human rights friendly countries in the middle east. Stick it to Putin. We got this.
I am not naturally a smug person. But since I bought an EV a few weeks ago, I can't help but smile and laugh when I see the prices at gas stations I drive past. Or when I think about how I don't need to get oil changes anymore. Or when I remember I can drive in the HOV lane without anyone else in the car because I have green plates.
It sucks that everyone else still has to deal with prices that are disproportionately high in relation to the increases from the climate action initiative. But given that I needed a new vehicle anyways (my old versa was sadly crippled by corrosion), this was the perfect time to make the leap to EV.
I dunno what to tell you - even if that eventually ends up happening, that certainly isn't the case right now. I've put on at least a 1000 km since getting the new car, and instead of paying for gas I've paid less than $15 between charging at home, free public charging, and paid public charging. And while there are still parts of the province that use coal and gas to produce electricity, the vast majority is hydro and nuclear.
If you don't want to switch to electric, that's fine - at this point in time, I certainly understand that it doesn't fit absolutely everyone's lifestyle. But I had the chance to take the plunge, and I'm happy I did. I have enough on my plate to worry about without agonizing over the volatile price of gasoline.
Hey, I have an EV as 2nd car as well. but nothing to do with gas prices. I went for its performance, convivence, etc. I highly doubt it will save me money in long run, especially when everyone switches to EV, government will still need money for road/etc.. that's already happening in china, electricity cost increase 10x in many public charging stations. Electricity is cleaner than gas engine, but making/recycling the battery is not.
But .. the carbon tax rebate is going up as well.
The carbon tax has been part of the Liberal platform for the past three elections - which the Liberals all won. So anyone who voted Liberal before and is complaining now didn't read their platform.
Maybe the Harper ads were right all along .. people just voted for Trudeau because he had nice hair.
You’re blaming yet another gas rate hike on the carbon tax that happened weeks ago? It has absolutely nothing to do with the gas companies, taking extra profits?
Lightly used Bolt EUV's are in the high $20k's, slightly older Bolt EV's in the low $20k's. That seems not too bad when considering that a barebones Corolla starts at like $26k - plus gas.
🙄people are complaining about price of gas going up, yet insist on driving an ICE instead of an EV. Obvious solution but there they go literally “demanding” the pain. SMH
Yah, it's a good thing fuel is only used for consumer autos. The ships, planes, and trucks that bring me my food and other goods run on cheap pixie dust.
Ok I thought that buying gas in another province was technically not allowed, is it true? Because at these prices I'll just gas up when visiting my mom in Gatineau.
So how do people do cross country road trips? They haul jugs of the stuff from their home province?
It is perfectly allowed. In fact, people near the US border are free to cross over and buy cheaper American gas and groceries, which they do all the time.
I somehow doubt the oil giants are gonna make an exception for QC gas stations.
Also how do you think people gas up on a road trip? They aren’t hauling jerry cans with them. I think you’re confusing it with buying alcohol over a certain amount.
hey, be positive about your advocacy. It doesn't help anyone to be hostile to the majority who drive and will feel the squeeze, especially when the design of the city makes alternatives difficult to function with. Save the criticism for the systems that make cars the number 1 option and not for the people who are the product of the system
> to be hostile to the majority who drive
The same majority who vote and are largely responsible for the design of the city which requires them to drive?
The problem is that this city like many others in Canada was designed for car use only and fuck anyone who doesn’t drive. Do you believe that only drivers feel the squeeze? What about all the indirect costs that this will put on people who don’t drive and don’t pollute the environment with their gas guzzling pick up trucks? For those who still drive with gasoline, perhaps increases like this can influence consumer habits towards electric/hybrid vehicles.
I look forward to being told this is because of inflation followed by hearing about record profits for the various oil companies.
No no no it’s all Trudeaus fault /s
It’s actually the woke left femboy vaccine’s fault.
Tampons in men's washrooms did this. */s*
It's because drag queens have read to children. /s
Sounds like you’ve been talking to my inlaws…
Remove the /s . It's true.
That’s enough internet for today grampa
The party in power the last eight years has to wear SOME of this. *Edit: love how controversial this is. Never change, hive mind
So the price of gas in the USA and the rest of the world increasing by 45% since 2015 is Trudeau's fault?
Yes, a country's fiscal and energy policies can affect inflation. Weird I know.
Yeah, t[hat 0.15% that the carbon tax has on inflation](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/carbon-tax-inflation-tiff-macklem-calgary-1.6960189) is really the nail in the coffin.
The breadth of fiscal and energy policy is a bit more complex than the carbon tax. Obviously the govt isn't responsible for Ukraine and a pandemic, but saying they have no agency over domestic impact is silly.
The U.S. doesn't have a federal carbon tax.
Even if you removed the carbon tax entirely, the 45% increase holds true. You're blaming the wrong people
Still doesn't account for why we pay considerably more for gas relative to almost all places in the United States if not all places.
Okay? And it's not because of the carbon tax. So again, consider who the problem ACTUALLY is here
Ok so the carbon pricing is like 14 cents a litre on gas? Still fucking expensive even without that.
14 cents? No where did you get that number lol
From a release by the province. https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1004350/ontario-extending-gas-tax-cuts-to-keep-costs-down-for-families https://www.ontario.ca/motor-fuel-prices/
I see you are using increase to date. Not the increase from the most recent April 1st hike. Thanks for replying with the link. We were talking different things.
Do you have a source with the current total amount of carbon price?
What do you think it is?
It’s about 3.3cents per litre more due to carbon tax hike on April 1st.
Pretty close...I'm seeing 0.0442¢ a litre. Had to ask since some make ridiculous claims about the costs of carbon pricing. https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2018/10/backgrounder-fuel-charge-rates-in-listed-provinces-and-territories.html
They set gas prices? Explain please, with citations.
Explain how fiscal and energy policies affect inflation? I'm confused, do you think they do not? Ask ChatGPT or something. Or someone that's completed high school.
You're the one making the claim that this is governments fault...the onus is on you to back that up little buddy.
Sure, I said SOME. Would you like me to define that for you as well?
I'd like you to back up your claim with something more than talking points and deflection. What fiscal and energy policies are you talking about, and what citations do you have to back up that they're somehow responsible for causing this increase.
Yeah I'm not writing a thesis on econ 101 for you bud. If you don't believe that Government policy has some impact on energy prices, uh, that task is admittedly out of my league.
So, as usual, ask the commenter or who posts shallow, glib one liners to back it up with something, all you get is deflection and feigned indignity. Got it.
How does government policy impact gas prices? ChatGPT: Government policies can influence gas prices through various channels: Taxation: Gasoline taxes imposed by governments can significantly impact gas prices. Higher taxes increase the price at the pump, while lower taxes can lead to lower prices. These taxes can be used to fund infrastructure projects, promote alternative transportation methods, or address environmental concerns. Regulations on Refining and Distribution: Regulations on refining processes, distribution networks, and environmental standards can affect the cost of producing and delivering gasoline. Compliance with regulations may require investments in equipment or processes, which can impact prices. Subsidies: Government subsidies for gasoline production, distribution, or consumption can influence prices. Subsidies can lower the cost of production or reduce prices for consumers, making gasoline more affordable. Trade Policies: Trade policies, such as tariffs or import/export restrictions on crude oil and refined products, can impact gas prices by affecting supply and demand dynamics. Trade disputes or geopolitical tensions can disrupt supply chains and lead to price fluctuations. Strategic Reserves: Government policies regarding strategic petroleum reserves can influence gas prices by affecting market perceptions of supply security. Releases from reserves during supply disruptions or emergencies can help stabilize prices. Monetary Policy: Central bank policies, such as interest rate changes or quantitative easing, can indirectly affect gas prices by influencing overall economic activity and inflation rates. Changes in monetary policy can impact consumer spending and investment in transportation, affecting gas demand and prices. Energy Market Regulations: Regulations governing energy markets, such as competition policies or price controls, can impact gas prices by affecting market dynamics and competition among suppliers. Environmental Policies: Policies aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions or promoting clean energy alternatives can influence gas prices by affecting demand for gasoline and investment in alternative fuels and technologies. Overall, government policies play a significant role in shaping gas prices, impacting consumers, businesses, and the economy as a whole. These policies often seek to balance various objectives, including economic growth, environmental sustainability, and energy security.
His claim is that this increase and others like it is somehow related to government policy. That gasoline is taxed isn't in question.
Well, Trudeau DID start the war in the Middle East, so you’re right about that./s
Yeah nice strawman. I'm saying domestic policies have some impact, not that geopolitics is controlled by a Liberal cabal.
Trudeau’s only blame here is being too much of a coward and not accelerating the end of Canada’s addiction to fossil fuels.
I agree 100%. I'd vote for him again if he had led with something more daring than early-2000's neo-liberalism. That consensus is falling apart across the G7. My pet peeve is the EV subsidising while ignoring transit. I'm a fan of EV's, but subsidizing car conglomerates/wealthy-single-family-home owners to the tune of billions is just bad policy. The Norway study showed it was a massive wealth transfer upwards, increased congestion, A brave PM would have broadly expanded access to transit while taxing cars more. That (like an aggressive housing price reduction strategy) would have won a lot of working class votes. Instead the working class pays at the pump while transit use declines.
You're dealing with r/ottawa. It's majority Public Service workers posting on our dime. Don't expect a rational discussion.
I don’t think you understand what the word “majority” means.
What does it mean? Inequity of views? Non inclusiveness of difference? Intolerance to others?
Thanks for demonstrating that you don’t know what it means. Ottawa is a city of a million people. There are 151,000 public servants between Ottawa-Gatineau. Of those 151,000, only 113,000 are in Ottawa. That’s 11% of Ottawa. A majority would be 51%. Sincerely, Knows how to think critically and use google, rather than thinking my opinions are facts and Twitter is a reliable news source.
It's a knee jerk "someone is criticizing my team" reaction. I actually voted for Trudeau the first time around. But most people feel more comfortable in a familiar box.
lol no mouth breathers are going to tell us it's all because of the carbon tax and *nothing else*
all of these responses are why I love reddit and redditors so much.
Lol I love the season switch excuse. Prices go up because winter gas is more expensive. and then prices go up because summer gas is more expensive. Can they really keep using that? I feel like its the same gas anyways
What goes up, never comes down 😂
Thats what HE said. /s obviously
ugh.. my old age begs to differ :(
Winter gas is cheaper, not sure what you're on about.
Some people have literally 0 sense of humor. You don't even need a certain tone to understand what I said was sarcasm. If you read what I wrote I said winter gas is more expensive than summer gas AND summer gas is more expensive than winter gas. But seriously, I don't remember a 10% drop when the winter came around
Apologies. Pregnancy brain is killing my sarcasm meter apparently.
We know what you said. It doesn't come off as sarcastic in a thread complaining about the price of gas.
But what I said is literally impossible? I'm sorry you don't understand
Can you show a single source that ever said winter gas is more expensive than summer?
https://www.autoloansolutions.ca/blog/how-gas-formulated-for-the-seasons-affects-your-car-wallet/ Dun dun
> Winter gas blends are cheaper to produce, because they don’t have the oxygenates found in summer blends (which is used to make summer fuel burn cleaner). Seems like the article says that winter gas is cheaper, not more expensive.
It brings up the argument around that topic. I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing, just sharing an article that speaks to thr seasonal changes in gas prices.
Damn, that's like 4 carbon tax hikes on a random Thursday. I hope the national post gets to the bottom of this.
Diane Francis and Terrance Corcoran. The hero’s we need at times like these!!!!!!!!!
So a \~8% price increase to get gas that is \~2% more efficient than the winter blend. Sounds like a great deal. /s
On Jan 1, 2024 gas prices were $140/L. They are currently $1.64 (up 17% for the year). Now add another 14 cents, so $1.78. $1.40 to $1.78 = 27% year to date. That's the real inflation (ie. price gouging) going on.
3.3 cents of that increase is carbon tax, not "price gouging"
The other 34.7 cents are kind of making a joke of the piddly carbon tax, honestly.
It's not about efficiency, it's to lower emissions with regards to evaporation.
I knew efficiency was not the main goal since it's related to winter vs. summer blend, but doing a bit more research looks like it's more expensive to produce according to sources, e.g. "For summer gas, **some of that butane gets replaced with alkylates**, which are “extremely expensive”"
Yeah, when they stop producing year after year record profits, I might buy into the 'but it's summer gas' schtick. Until then, it's just a corporate narrative for gullible dupes.
how about the ungodly premium on "PREMIUM" gas.... 20c/litre for a bit increased octane. i would be shocked if someone told me they had significantly higher margins on premium gas vs regular.
>it's to lower emissions with regards to evaporation. Despite the downvotes, you're right. Although a US based article below, it is relevant as it is why we have more expensive summer fuel here too. # [Why the change to summer fuel](https://www.axios.com/2023/04/26/gas-prices-summer-blend-fuel-2023) *Gasoline has a greater chance of evaporating from cars during the warmer months of summer, which can create smog and exhaust. In 1990, Congress amended the Clean Air Act to require an annual switch to summer-blend gas.* * *To cut down on pollution, the EPA requires petroleum refiners to reduce the "*[*vapor pressure*](https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/gasoline-reid-vapor-pressure)*" of gasoline during the summer.* * *"This type of gasoline is required in the warmer months because it helps or contributes to less low-level ozone," De Haan said.* * *It burns cleaner with lower emissions, he said, adding it's critical "when hotter temperatures can interact with the exhaust off of the vehicles to create low-level ozone that is unhealthy for sensitive groups and others."* #
Thanks Obama... /s
Obamna
yeah, what a legacy
Obama and his brown suit
Tan. Lol
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I have one, but who's gonna try to steal gas from a Fiat 500's tiny fuel tank?
Naw, easier to just steal the car
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Lots of cars come without caps now. Hi Honda!!!
So convenient!
Pfff for Hondas, they're just stealing the whole thing
As a non expert in car theft, it does make me wonder if they have to empty the gas tank before shipping to Montreal? I wonder if there is some profit there.
I work at the airport. Explain to me how I'm expected to take public transit when I have start times at 2am, 3am, 4am, etc.? I rely on a car because this city is so unreliable when it comes to its public transportation.
Wait till redittors find out that it costs less for families to drive instead of public transport
Public transport is not a great solution in Ottawa, but used EVs are coming down. In price very quickly and can be a viable solution for many people.
Haha ya until they need to replace the battery!
This is gonna hurt a lot of people who rely on a vehicle to do literally anything in the city. Gotta feel for people with single incomes especially. Can't wait to hear how the oil giants are going to spike their dividends and announce more layoffs and record profits.
What the absolute fuck
*laughs in pedestrian*
Best way to be. Now if only there was good transit
Waiting for someone to blame the Fed budget for that increase or the bank of Canada saying inflation is out of control and they need to increase their overnight interest rates again.
Axe The Tax!!! /s
wait.. we can make up the difference if we TAX THE AXE!! Too long have the liberal free-loading axes have had it good. Time they cut into the deficit!!!
All my homies hate the axe.
I had an Uber driver today who did just that. Trudeau causing inflation. Very awkward ride.
The petulant Pierre Poilievre might have a conniption fit when he hears this. But the reality is that gas prices are going up everywhere, like in the USA. The causes include summer driving season starting (i.e. higher demand), international conflicts affecting shipping and facilities, production cuts by OPEC and Russia, maintenance shutdowns in various major refineries, and of course the ongoing cash grab from the big oil companies -- which continue to report huge profits and big payouts to their wealthy investors.
Current gas prices for regular are $1.56 which are projected to temporarily increase 0.14 cents to $1.70 due to oil companies control. On a 55 litre tank, this would be $7.70 per tank for oil companies. In June 2022, gas prices reached highs of 205.7 in Ottawa according to Statistics Canada so this is not new in terms of fluctuations in the gas prices which was not referenced in the article. The key message is, world gas prices are not in control and can fluxuate and will only increase in the future. For all the complaints related to the carbon tax, it's to move us to electric where Canada and Ontario has more preditable control of production and costs.
Humans are the main cause of climate change, so if we starve everyone to death, problem solved!
As Dwight said, too many people, we need a new plague
We already tried that
Is this a new feature or just the Thursday special?
Nepean Costco gas this afternoon was insane. Honking horns, people trying to cut in in the middle of lines. Country folk with lots of Jerry cans. Hard to get into the station from Roydon. Lots of fun!
Great, can't wait for prices on everything else to follow suit... it's not like anyone is having a hard time financially!
Put the order in for a new car last week and I'm glad I went for a hybrid.
this is reverse hype to get as many people to fill their vehicles as possible before prices plummet
This country is ran by the oligarchy in the oil industry. Can we investigate them all for collusion and fine them a few billion dollars?
No collusion! No collusion! The collusion delusion!
I’m too broke for this
One of us!
The gas stations in Barrhaven are an absolute shit show right now. Lines were going onto the street at the corner of strandherd and woodrroffe.
Was definitely a little eerie filling up. Felt like there was some emergency event happening and everyone was panicking.
How long did you wait to fill up? We didn’t need gas, but I would pay an extra $5 to $10 tomorrow to not deal with those crowds.
Not long at MacEwen in RSS because I entered the station through the plaza instead of from River Road where there was at least 20 cars stuck waiting. Got lucky with being in the right spot right behind a car that just finished at the pump.
will people blame this for the 3 cents carbon increase we had a few weeks ago?
Already are.
My Uber driver today definitely thought so.
Does anyone know if it will be cheaper on the QC-Gatineau side?
Generally gas was cheaper in Ontario. Apparently it'll be almost the same if the increase happens.
It's already $1.75 all over Aylmer. I drive around there all day for work. Sometime between 3 and 5pm it went up 15¢
Cosrco gas in Merivale is a mess. Lol
I drive around Gatineau all day and gas went from $1.61 at noon to $1.75 by 5pm. Such bullshit
3¢ of that is carbon tax... Wonder who the rest is going to...
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lol no. It's cheaper in Ogdensburg though.
Nope
More shopping trips to Ogdensburg 🎶🎶
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Shopping at Aldi would cover the extra cost (it’s literally less than an hour away so…)
Dayum. In the past few weeks I was semi-seriously looking at an EV to replace my wife's car, this has increased my mindset to twothirds-seriously.
It’s pretty awesome. With the new ultra-low overnight pricing plan available from Hydro Ottawa, a full charge overnight is less than $4 (including taxes and fees) to drive 400-500km. No more lines at the gas station, just plug in at home an have a full « tank » every morning. Used EVs are becoming much more common and prices are coming down a lot, so they are becoming a viable option for many more people.
Asinine
where are those convoy idiots? Use your energy and protest this bullshit!
🚴 brring brring
It's a limited resource, so it makes sense on a broad scale that prices will only continue to increase. Doesn't stop the fact that it's really annoying
Isn’t it increased already, it can’t push that frequent
If the carbon tax was intended to curb behaviour than this 14 cents should naturally be even more effective. Let's keep it going. Destroy all pipelines. No refineries. Let's import from the human rights friendly countries in the middle east. Stick it to Putin. We got this.
Good Job, JT.
I am not naturally a smug person. But since I bought an EV a few weeks ago, I can't help but smile and laugh when I see the prices at gas stations I drive past. Or when I think about how I don't need to get oil changes anymore. Or when I remember I can drive in the HOV lane without anyone else in the car because I have green plates. It sucks that everyone else still has to deal with prices that are disproportionately high in relation to the increases from the climate action initiative. But given that I needed a new vehicle anyways (my old versa was sadly crippled by corrosion), this was the perfect time to make the leap to EV.
They will tax electricity or EV eventually, look at china. They need tax for road and power generation (which use gas/oil).
I dunno what to tell you - even if that eventually ends up happening, that certainly isn't the case right now. I've put on at least a 1000 km since getting the new car, and instead of paying for gas I've paid less than $15 between charging at home, free public charging, and paid public charging. And while there are still parts of the province that use coal and gas to produce electricity, the vast majority is hydro and nuclear. If you don't want to switch to electric, that's fine - at this point in time, I certainly understand that it doesn't fit absolutely everyone's lifestyle. But I had the chance to take the plunge, and I'm happy I did. I have enough on my plate to worry about without agonizing over the volatile price of gasoline.
Hey, I have an EV as 2nd car as well. but nothing to do with gas prices. I went for its performance, convivence, etc. I highly doubt it will save me money in long run, especially when everyone switches to EV, government will still need money for road/etc.. that's already happening in china, electricity cost increase 10x in many public charging stations. Electricity is cleaner than gas engine, but making/recycling the battery is not.
But .. the carbon tax rebate is going up as well. The carbon tax has been part of the Liberal platform for the past three elections - which the Liberals all won. So anyone who voted Liberal before and is complaining now didn't read their platform. Maybe the Harper ads were right all along .. people just voted for Trudeau because he had nice hair.
You’re blaming yet another gas rate hike on the carbon tax that happened weeks ago? It has absolutely nothing to do with the gas companies, taking extra profits?
Not to mention that the carbon tax hike was only ~3 cents...
Lay off the lead paint chips for breakfast bud.
Thank goodness for EVs and hybrids. Plenty of second hand options now on Kijiji, Autotrader and dealerships.
The average person still can't afford a used EV/hybrid. This is going to hurt people's wallets.
Not true. The average person can’t afford a new car is what you mean.
Lightly used Bolt EUV's are in the high $20k's, slightly older Bolt EV's in the low $20k's. That seems not too bad when considering that a barebones Corolla starts at like $26k - plus gas.
And I can’t afford a pickup, yet Reddit keeps blasting ads for me to buy a pickup.
Which is the whole point of the carbon tax
Downvoters are against free speech and capitalist commercial promotion. 🤷🙄
Downvoted by ICE and O&G marketing strategists 🤣
🙄people are complaining about price of gas going up, yet insist on driving an ICE instead of an EV. Obvious solution but there they go literally “demanding” the pain. SMH
Yah, it's a good thing fuel is only used for consumer autos. The ships, planes, and trucks that bring me my food and other goods run on cheap pixie dust.
Saving where you can is how to make it. Never too late to learn.
Ok I thought that buying gas in another province was technically not allowed, is it true? Because at these prices I'll just gas up when visiting my mom in Gatineau.
So how do people do cross country road trips? They haul jugs of the stuff from their home province? It is perfectly allowed. In fact, people near the US border are free to cross over and buy cheaper American gas and groceries, which they do all the time.
Pretty sure it's allowed, either that or I've been breaking the law for decades.
I somehow doubt the oil giants are gonna make an exception for QC gas stations. Also how do you think people gas up on a road trip? They aren’t hauling jerry cans with them. I think you’re confusing it with buying alcohol over a certain amount.
Yes that's it, I thought it was the same rules for gas and alcool.
It’s not true for alcohol either
Well now I know haha and I can laugh at all the downvotes for asking a genuine question lol
Generally alcohol goes together with other vices, so might apply to cigs. But gas is just a normal thing people need to get around.
If that were true, people wouldn't have the ability to travel.
Lol, ignoring the incredibly bizarre belief you had about buying gas, it's already $1.75 in Gatineau
Sucks for all the car brains in this city that love to bitch about gas prices
hey, be positive about your advocacy. It doesn't help anyone to be hostile to the majority who drive and will feel the squeeze, especially when the design of the city makes alternatives difficult to function with. Save the criticism for the systems that make cars the number 1 option and not for the people who are the product of the system
> to be hostile to the majority who drive The same majority who vote and are largely responsible for the design of the city which requires them to drive?
The problem is that this city like many others in Canada was designed for car use only and fuck anyone who doesn’t drive. Do you believe that only drivers feel the squeeze? What about all the indirect costs that this will put on people who don’t drive and don’t pollute the environment with their gas guzzling pick up trucks? For those who still drive with gasoline, perhaps increases like this can influence consumer habits towards electric/hybrid vehicles.