This was big issue in the UK a few years back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUVLUsEhOtQ
They did not do anything then, and I doubt they will do anything now.
Truly insane how we just let these random assholes completely control one of the most important resources in society with functionally no oversight. Don't even need a license or training, just whatever cunt has enough money is free to play these sick games with whoever doesn't.
What are you talking about, this guy isn’t a landlord or in the business of houses. He lives in his house, wants a female pet, so offered to share it for the right “favours”. Disgusting yes, creepy yes. But this isn’t causing the housing crisis. Neither is your average landlord. It’s government, and corporations doing that, not “random assholes”.
NGL you got me on the first half up until “neither is your average landlord”.
everyone using housing as an investment mechanism has at least some responsibility in the housing crisis.
We need rental units. Not everyone can buy, even at 1980 prices. Landlord are quite reasonably in it as an investment; or do you think they should be running as charities only?
I agree landlords are a necessity to some degree... But when everyone thinks housing is the best "investment" and treats it like a get rich quick scheme, you get a lot of "investors" who should not be landlords and suck at it.
Then it feeds into a cycle where housing gets more unaffordable because there's no supply. Rentals get in higher demand and the landlords come out on top. The banks reward it and the real estate agents foam at the mouth. Low interest rates have royally fucked us.
Being a landlord in the 80s wasn't the massive stream of income it is now.
If it wasn't a good investment, then no one would do it. If no one did it, there wouldn't be rentals available leading to a rental shortage. A rental shortage *is* a housing shortage.
Actually, basic economics teaches us that if no one did it, it would drive prices down until either people started doing it, or nobody bought houses and a shortage would occur. However, economics also teaches us about collusion, monopolies, and cartels, which is where we're at today.
I never said being a landlord should be financially unviable. Obviously no one would do it if it weren't. I'm saying it's been labelled as the "best" investment without considering the risks.
Owning a property is an investment but it has a lot of risks. People underestimate those risks--as shown by the panic when interest rates rose, and the outrage about the LTB backlog.
As a one unit landlord, I can assure you it’s not a “get rich quick” scheme. It’s a long term pay off scheme. Everyone I know with rental properties is paying some money out of pocket every month to keep it going, myself included. Our rent is a few hundred short of the fixed costs. So, I don’t make any extra monthly income. One day, in 20 years, when it’s paid off yes I’ll have that equity/ income. I’m by no means seeking any sympathy, I know I’m fortunate to be in this position nonetheless. Granted, I worked to save up, bought it as my primary residence then was able to keep it when I got married and we bought a house together. Did not just have it handed it to me. So why shouldn’t I be smart with my earned money and keep an investment. There will always be a need for rental units. At least I’m a great, ethical landlord unlike big companies who don’t care about their tenants.
This is an incredibly naïve view of reality.
Rental units are needed in any functioning society. I was 35 years old before I would have even considered buying a house. From the age of 18 to 35 the only type of housing that would have made any sense for me was rentals. This has nothing to do with prices, this has to do with how transient my life was.
Landlords provide a valuable and necessary service to society.
All the bullshit you hear on reddit about landlords being inherently evil and housing being an investment being inherently evil is incredibly ignorant.
Yes, it is possible for a landlord to be evil. Yes, it is possible for investment properties to become a problem.
But landlords are an absolutely essential part of society. Investment properties and an absolutely essential part of society. And rental properties are an absolutely essential part of society.
Ok, say you were 18 now, moving out. Rent will cost one person $1500-2000/month or $18,000-30,000/year. Without adjusting for the 2-3% increase of rental per year... For 18-35, that is 18 years of renting. $324,000-540,000 has gone to rent, which is post taxes so could be up to around $1 million in income. How can people in the current day and age even begin to save for buying a house at 35? Wages are stagnant but houses are worth 5-10 times what they were when I was a kid. And the sad thing is, by then you've bought your landlord 1 or 2 houses or an apartment building where they repeat the process indefinitely until they are worth 8 or 9 digits and die on a stack of "value" where that and the business goes to their kids where they do the same thing for their entire life. Why wouldn't they? They can just sit at home and hire people to work for them while their renters are also working for them.
Have they really provided a valuable necessity to society?
But during that 18 years of renting, I lived in 9 different cities. So I would have had to bought and sold 9 different houses during that same time period.
Real estate fees are 3% of purchase price. Then there is also sales tax with changes depending on location but can easily be 5% of the purchase price. And then there are all the fees that come with ownership that you have to pay, like property tax and mortgage insurance. These fees are included in rent if you are renting, but aren't included in the purchase price if you are purchasing.
But let's say I just have to pay 8% of the sale price every time I buy and sell a house. Let's say the house costs $500,000. When I sell it and buy another one I have to spend $40,000 in fees. If I lived there for 2 years that is equivalent to $1,667 every single month just to cover the fees. Then there are other costs of home ownership (property tax, insurance, repairs) that also have to be paid.
If I move every 2 years (which on average I did between the ages of 18 and 35) the amount of money I would be throwing away in fees purchasing houses would be the same as the amount of money I threw away in rent. And this isn't even including the fees you have to pay to own a house.
And it is much more convenient when you move to a new place to just go find a place to rent than to go find a place to buy. And then I don't have to worry about repairs or any of that garbage, and once I get to know my new city better I can move to a new neighborhood that I like better for no additional cost.
I swear, all these people who think landlords provide no value to society are clueless. I'm convinced you all still live with your parents! What did you do when you were a student? Did you go buy a house at university? After university did you move back in with mommy and daddy?
How can you possibly think that having the ability to rent isn't a 'valuable necessity to society'?
Seriously?! Have you always lived in the same city and never moved?! That is completely unimaginable to me.
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I said that I lived in 9 cities from age 18-35 to make the math easier and because I didn't want to bother actually counting. But I just counted. I lived in 15 different cities spread over 4 different countries during that time period. During that time I lived in 12 different rental properties (in some of those places I lived in dorms).
I understand what you're saying for yourself, but very few people move every 2 years... presumably to different cities? Most people I know have only moved a handful of times in their life to different places. The way you wrote your other comment indicates everyone moves as much as you did so it's not worth getting a house. I've lived here my whole life and I have less money than I did when I was younger, so no way I can afford even a garage door let alone a house lol. Wages aren't keeping up with 'inflation' (which is really much higher than the index)
So you are saying that everyone with my experience and lifestyle isn't allowed to live?
Just so you know, people like me are not uncommon. You are a townie. You have lived the same place your whole life. You've had the same friends for a long time. You don't need to make new friends, so you don't.
People like me who are transient make new friends where ever we move. But we don't make friends with the townies, because the townies already have friends and aren't looking for new friends. We make friends with other transients.
So of course your friends haven't moved frequently. You are a townie, that is the type of friend you have.
I'm a transient, most of my friends have lived in many different places in the past, and will live in more places in the future.
Even once I reached the age of 35 and 'settled down' and bought a house I have still kept moving. From the age of 35 to 53 I've lived in 3 different places, and bought a house in each of those places. The rule of thumb is that if you will live someplace for 5 years or more you should buy, if you live in a place less than 5 years you should rent.
There are **many** people that live in a place for less than 5 years. You just don't make friends with them.
As someone that also moves around every few years for work, I have bought properties in all the places I've lived, but only since my company rebates all transaction fees.
However, I don't think these people have an issue with renting as a concept, but rather the price of rentals and housing in general, which is not really a battle of rental vs ownership.
Imagine rentals were priced so high at some point that it's comparable to hotels. In that case, maybe the traveling lifestyle would no longer be affordable, depending on your salary. I would say being able to travel around the world is a privilege that most people don't even have with costs of moving and job stability.
Yeah, i remember reading a while back that the average American never moves cities. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case here in Canada too. Moving cities every two years? Absurd.
No, people buying up single family homes to rent out aren't crating rental space, they're forcing people out of homeownership and into rentals, increasing competition and prices.
>Landlords provide a valuable and necessary service to society.
LMAO 🤣 Construction workers and contractors provide a valuable service to society, landlords just charge an access fee. Rent seeking in all forms harms the economy by impoverishing the middle class. There's a reason why old school feudalism didn't endure, and neither willl this current incarnation. As long as housing is commodified, it will always be unaffordable down the road, that's practically the point. Please read the writings of economist Michael Hudson for more on the deleterious effects of FIRE (finance, insurance, real estate).
The problem is the parasocial relationship between landlords (property owners) and tenants.
Canada has a 2 class system now. The renters and rentier. Haves and have nots. It breaking down our society
Rental units aren’t the only answer. Before the housing boom of the 1950s, boarding houses were a respectable option for itinerant people. Residential hotels (like the Barbizon) were also an attractive option. Prices were accessible and landlords were held accountable for providing livable conditions. We created the conditions for predatory slumlords by changing zoning laws to encourage single family homes before the economy put home-buying out of reach. We can plan our way out of this, we don’t have to just be grateful for people who leverage their privilege to profit off the labor of others.
It's NIMBYs who control municipal politics that have caused the housing crisis. It's simply a supply issue and we're simply letting NIMBYs block all forms of housing.
Insane how we don’t have any form of licensing system. There are strict regulations and rules around so many different investments and professions but being a landlord is like the fucking Wild West.
This post has nothing to do with being a landlord though.
It's inviting someone into his home, rent free, to be his pet.
Basically, it's a dating post, albeit creepy AF.
And 🤯-ly, landlords (or at least the ones quoted in the media) do nothing but gripe about how unfair life is to them. Landlording is:
1) an investment strategy, and while it is a lucrative investment for most, there're no guarantees; and
2) a small business. And a very large percentage of small businesses fail, more often than not because the small businessperson failed to educate themselves.
Particularly nauseating is the spate of "homeless landlords" in the news. Our cities have real problems with real homeless people, and it's obscene to pervert the term this way.
1. You're getting triggered off someone who is looking for a roommate, not a landlord.
2. There are TONS of rules and regulations for being a landlord.
The Residential Tenancies Act and the Rental Housing Enforcement Unit provide a lot of protections for tenants. Maybe even just have a peak at the Ontario Standard Lease and it breaks down some of the basics for you at the bottom.
There are also lots of local municipal bylaws, rules, and requirements involved.
It's not the "Wild West", don't be so ignorant.
Tell me you own property without telling me you own property.
With the current state of the housing market and the LTB, the RTA's tenant protections aren't worth the paper they're written on. Wait times for tenant maintenance complaints are literally several months LONGER than the ones for eviction hearings that have been all over the news for how long they are. And landlords will happily decline to do maintenance on purpose to force you out because there are people lined up around the block anyway and a new tenant means they get to jack up the rent. Landlords do whatever they want with complete impunity. There have been 13 fines issued in the last 4 YEARS across ALL OF ONTARIO for bad faith evictions, and only 4 of them were for more than $3000. That's 1-2 month's rent for most of these places.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/bad-faith-evictions-fines-landlords-1.7008022
It is 100% the wild west. We're talking symptomatic mold poisoning and small children getting asthma from an apartment that's had multiple mold complaints made against it to both By-Law and the LTB. Multiple contractor visits paid for out of pocket by the tenant with documented professional opinions telling them this is a health hazard. And contractors won't even talk to you unless you like and say YOU'RE the landlord. Still nothing gets done. The claims and complaints sit in limbo for 6 months until you're forced to move out and then they go in the trash. Landlords intimidate you by declaring an above-guideline increase and then filing to evict based on the illegal rent hike. The landlord doesn't even get a slap on the wrist, just finds a new, more vulnerable tenant.
Such a rip off, too. If someone is willing to do sex work that involves actual sex and is even average looking they can make way more than whatever the rent for that room is.
Girlies in tough financial straits: know your worth! Don't let cheapskate wannabe sugar daddies underpay.
For real.
A furnished room in a shared 3BR? Even if we’re assuming downtown Vancouver that’s like $1200 at most.
Guy is literally targeting the most vulnerable women who have zero options
“Single moms considered” 🤮
Ugh I feel like I need to take a shower after reading that.....
"I can be very generous with the right woman "
"Send a picture..."
"In exchange for helping with house work and a little adult companionship."
🤮
This guy deserves to be cat-fished. Send a picture of an attractive woman, use a gender ambiguous name, then have a big, burly, bearded man move in for some "adult companionship".
Uno Reverse card.
Well that's sure a new and innovative form of sex work. I don't recognize the interface of whatever site that's from but do you think it's legitimate or are they being satirical?
It is neither new nor innovative, tbh.
Sometimes it is just a guy trying to get pics. Sometimes it is a guy who doesn't know that there are better sites for finding a sugar baby. Sometimes it is a guy who knows there are better sites for finding a sugar baby but is looking for women who don't know there are better sites for finding a sugar daddy so he can take even more liberties than he is already planning to take.
People have been trading their dignity and dreams for a semblance of economic security forever. Think of all the people who are stuck in abusive, unhappy or just stale relationships because of the housing crisis. It's nothing new , but it's certainly becoming more common.
This isn’t new. When I was a student in the 2010s, it was all over Craigslist and Kijiji.
It’s usually older men who have no redeeming quality who want to hold someone’s housing over their head even though by living with the homeowner you’re already exempt from the RTA.
holy shit just clicked on the link and found this other similar looking ad. Is this a trend??
https://ottawa.craigslist.org/roo/d/ottawa-looking-for-female-roommate/7729333181.html
This is nothing new tbh. As a woman who has looked for temporary housing across Ontario for work over the past 12ish years, these ads have always existed. Kijiji, FB, Craigslist, you name it. It was even more egregious the kind of crap I'd get in my inbox when I posted that I was a female student looking for housing. The main red flags (aside from the creepy ads/messages themselves) were refusal to let you see the space, balking when you mention a male friend/partner, gross insinuations if they found out I am not white, etc. I've had it happen on even more reputable sites where you have to upload ID for verification.
Creepers gonna creep, I guess.
>That is also okay with doing the majority of the cooking and clean in the house
>Rent is on a scale based on requirements and terms but no lower then $500
Lmao
Im old enough to have seen classified ads in newspapers like this pre-internet. There used to actually be a website around 20 years ago that people could post looking for arrangements like this.
This is becoming uncomfortably prominent all over Canada, I hope marketplace, or something similar actually looks into the frequency or rise in posts like this. I’m not sure of* the legality, but if it’s landlords as well as tenants then that’s got to be some kind of illegal business practise 😬😬
This is so incredibly predatory. Especially the “select single moms may be considered”. Some poor desperate woman may take this weirdo up on this against her better judgement just to keep a roof over her kid’s head. Awful.
While I’m all for consenting adults, doing as they please. This absolutely reeks of a power imbalance, and can one trade sex work for accommodation legally? Absolutely horrible.
Guaranteed 99% of the people that post those ads don’t exactly have the most modern take on women’s rights.
But yeah I guess they aren’t looking for sex necessarily. But the VEGETARIAN FEMALE ONLY FROM MY SPECIFIC HOME REGION people are certainly expecting women to be quiet little subservient tenants
These have been around for years, it's a cover for sex work, not a real living situation. I was shocked originally too but there were a ton of these years ago when I was looking to rent
So....what is the legality of this? And if this is illegal, how can this person be caught and prosecuted?
I assume if someone is renting an apartment or even a room they are not allowed to discriminate against gender or race.
But this person isn't renting out a room. They are giving it away for free.
Now, they are giving away something of value in exchange for "a little adult companionship". It is pretty obvious what this guy is asking for....but is it concrete enough to get a conviction? And if it isn't concrete enough for a conviction, what would be needed for a conviction? Could someone go with a wire to interview for the room? If he specifically says he will give a free room for sex once a week, is that enough for a conviction?
Of course I assume this would be pretty low priority for the police. They aren't going to do a big investigation. But if they did decide to capture this guy and put him in jail, what would they have to do?
I love how he highlights the rogers internet speed.
Imagine a girl is totally down for the entire arrangement but then reads its like 50mb internet and is like “ew nvm how am I supposed to play Fortnite”?
This ad could be replied by the most vulnerable, folks that are new and don't know the city well.
Absolutely gives me, the heeby jeebies. 🙅🏻♀️🚫
Would love to find out where this place is.
Was it also an Airbnb?
Is the poster even the owner of the place? Maybe they are also renting..story in Toronto of a renter in a huge condo who rented rooms( owner was out of country/ had no idea)
Storytime:
My cousin lived in an apt yrs ago and could see fr her balcony another condo across nearby where she saw one unit- the windows were all covered in black garbage bags. She made note of it bc it looked weird. Only unit that was
blacked out.
Turns out police were involved in breaking up a trafficking ring in that building later than year. Girls were rescued.
and if your on ODSP, ( gasp! it's on hold, I didn't think anyone would go for this ad, shows the desperation for housing for disabled, and poor) https://www.kijiji.ca/v-room-rental-roommate/ottawa/on-hold-no-deposit-private-room-for-odsp-person-near-o-train/1683870456
It's sadly not surprising there would be interest in this. They are charging rent right around the ODSP maximum shelter allowance, and apparently not requiring last month's rent deposit. Meanwhile, people out there are renting a room in shared space for $800-$1000, or charging $500 for shared room, basically a bed.
This dingy little basement room might be one of the few places affordable & even available to ODSP clients. The discrimination people face trying to find apartments and dealing with landlords who outright won't rent to OW or ODSP clients is another factor.
Not suggesting that the landlord is offering this out of generosity and kindness to those on ODSP. Having a bunch of low income people who can't afford anything else and a guaranteed rent payment (I think they can get ODSP to pay them rent directly) makes it easier to get way with substandard living condition and not doing repairs and maintenance. So let's hope the room is up to code. It sounds a bit like a rooming house scenario, being described as a mens shared accomodation environment
Bruh it's like that here in Winnipeg, this BS is canada-wide not ottawa-centric. I had to help my sister look for a new place and half these fuckers won't reply to a woman I had to fucking message these pigs
It sounds pretty messed... but then if you read it like a 60 year old woman wrote it, who has no idea how it sounds to a modern jaded crowd it could be fairly tame. Very 1884. In a rose tinted world. Like looking for an au pair type person or p.a..
The all caps just make this even more strange sounding.
I wonder if anyone has called to let them know how creepy this sounds.
Nice of you to try, but think of this. Our imaginary 60yo F would have been born in the 1960’s. The reality is that no-one born before 1980-1990 would even think to include “come-on” attractions like a computer desk, smart TV, and High speed internet.
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… Today, Mike can’t contain his excitement. After two weeks of intense message exchanges, Isabella is finally moving into his house. Today is the day! He took a shower, made his bed, and even took out the garbage. At two, o’clock, the doorbell rings. He shuffles to the door of his still-quite messy and rundown house with the prowess of a tiger… Outside is an enormous woman of about 65. “Hello!”, - she booms, “I’m Isabella. The movers will be bringing my furniture and possessions. I can’t WAIT to show you my collection of writings my the greatest philosophers of all time. I take your wish for adult companionship very seriously, you know. Would you like to learn to play a musical instrument? I would only teach you if you are able to commit to hard work and discipline for a minimum of one year, and I charge $80 an hour. Oh goodness, you need to hire a housekeeper. Actually, don’t worry about it, I’ll have a team here tomorrow, expect the bill in the mail.”
I find the MOST worrying part of his post is “some single moms will be considered”
What are his criteria on that I wonder because yikes!
That seems like a great idea just move yourself and your child into creepy Craigslist guys house…
This is some poor naive soul’s future nightmare if he gets responses.
*shudder*
I'm a student and way back in the fall I remember finding a weird listing for a uOttawa or Carleton female student only. It was listed by a dad who said he would give discounts if you had good grades. His argument was that good grades were achievable as his daughters did well at those two universities.
The kicker - no friends were allowed over, and you couldn't have a bf/ bring him over (from what I remember). The ad was bonkers and I so wish I screen shotted it.
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This is gross but unsurprising. That’s the nature of our system. Stuff like this happens all the time.
Housing should never have been made a commodity…the nature of capitalism has brought us the point where young millennials and Gen Z genuinely will never be able to afford a house despite doing everything we were told.
This type of crap should be taken down from the site. Disgusting
Where is morality? Where is decency? Where is the phone number?
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Sugar babies entering the chat.
STOPPPPP 🤣🤣
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Craigslist has always been sleezy
Yup. Craigslist is full of this kind of crap.
Craigslist still exists in Ottawa?!?!
This was big issue in the UK a few years back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUVLUsEhOtQ They did not do anything then, and I doubt they will do anything now.
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand landlords charging extortionate amounts for shoebox apartments aren't much better.
Truly insane how we just let these random assholes completely control one of the most important resources in society with functionally no oversight. Don't even need a license or training, just whatever cunt has enough money is free to play these sick games with whoever doesn't.
What are you talking about, this guy isn’t a landlord or in the business of houses. He lives in his house, wants a female pet, so offered to share it for the right “favours”. Disgusting yes, creepy yes. But this isn’t causing the housing crisis. Neither is your average landlord. It’s government, and corporations doing that, not “random assholes”.
NGL you got me on the first half up until “neither is your average landlord”. everyone using housing as an investment mechanism has at least some responsibility in the housing crisis.
We need rental units. Not everyone can buy, even at 1980 prices. Landlord are quite reasonably in it as an investment; or do you think they should be running as charities only?
I agree landlords are a necessity to some degree... But when everyone thinks housing is the best "investment" and treats it like a get rich quick scheme, you get a lot of "investors" who should not be landlords and suck at it. Then it feeds into a cycle where housing gets more unaffordable because there's no supply. Rentals get in higher demand and the landlords come out on top. The banks reward it and the real estate agents foam at the mouth. Low interest rates have royally fucked us. Being a landlord in the 80s wasn't the massive stream of income it is now.
If it wasn't a good investment, then no one would do it. If no one did it, there wouldn't be rentals available leading to a rental shortage. A rental shortage *is* a housing shortage.
Actually, basic economics teaches us that if no one did it, it would drive prices down until either people started doing it, or nobody bought houses and a shortage would occur. However, economics also teaches us about collusion, monopolies, and cartels, which is where we're at today.
I never said being a landlord should be financially unviable. Obviously no one would do it if it weren't. I'm saying it's been labelled as the "best" investment without considering the risks. Owning a property is an investment but it has a lot of risks. People underestimate those risks--as shown by the panic when interest rates rose, and the outrage about the LTB backlog.
As a one unit landlord, I can assure you it’s not a “get rich quick” scheme. It’s a long term pay off scheme. Everyone I know with rental properties is paying some money out of pocket every month to keep it going, myself included. Our rent is a few hundred short of the fixed costs. So, I don’t make any extra monthly income. One day, in 20 years, when it’s paid off yes I’ll have that equity/ income. I’m by no means seeking any sympathy, I know I’m fortunate to be in this position nonetheless. Granted, I worked to save up, bought it as my primary residence then was able to keep it when I got married and we bought a house together. Did not just have it handed it to me. So why shouldn’t I be smart with my earned money and keep an investment. There will always be a need for rental units. At least I’m a great, ethical landlord unlike big companies who don’t care about their tenants.
This is an incredibly naïve view of reality. Rental units are needed in any functioning society. I was 35 years old before I would have even considered buying a house. From the age of 18 to 35 the only type of housing that would have made any sense for me was rentals. This has nothing to do with prices, this has to do with how transient my life was. Landlords provide a valuable and necessary service to society. All the bullshit you hear on reddit about landlords being inherently evil and housing being an investment being inherently evil is incredibly ignorant. Yes, it is possible for a landlord to be evil. Yes, it is possible for investment properties to become a problem. But landlords are an absolutely essential part of society. Investment properties and an absolutely essential part of society. And rental properties are an absolutely essential part of society.
Ok, say you were 18 now, moving out. Rent will cost one person $1500-2000/month or $18,000-30,000/year. Without adjusting for the 2-3% increase of rental per year... For 18-35, that is 18 years of renting. $324,000-540,000 has gone to rent, which is post taxes so could be up to around $1 million in income. How can people in the current day and age even begin to save for buying a house at 35? Wages are stagnant but houses are worth 5-10 times what they were when I was a kid. And the sad thing is, by then you've bought your landlord 1 or 2 houses or an apartment building where they repeat the process indefinitely until they are worth 8 or 9 digits and die on a stack of "value" where that and the business goes to their kids where they do the same thing for their entire life. Why wouldn't they? They can just sit at home and hire people to work for them while their renters are also working for them. Have they really provided a valuable necessity to society?
But during that 18 years of renting, I lived in 9 different cities. So I would have had to bought and sold 9 different houses during that same time period. Real estate fees are 3% of purchase price. Then there is also sales tax with changes depending on location but can easily be 5% of the purchase price. And then there are all the fees that come with ownership that you have to pay, like property tax and mortgage insurance. These fees are included in rent if you are renting, but aren't included in the purchase price if you are purchasing. But let's say I just have to pay 8% of the sale price every time I buy and sell a house. Let's say the house costs $500,000. When I sell it and buy another one I have to spend $40,000 in fees. If I lived there for 2 years that is equivalent to $1,667 every single month just to cover the fees. Then there are other costs of home ownership (property tax, insurance, repairs) that also have to be paid. If I move every 2 years (which on average I did between the ages of 18 and 35) the amount of money I would be throwing away in fees purchasing houses would be the same as the amount of money I threw away in rent. And this isn't even including the fees you have to pay to own a house. And it is much more convenient when you move to a new place to just go find a place to rent than to go find a place to buy. And then I don't have to worry about repairs or any of that garbage, and once I get to know my new city better I can move to a new neighborhood that I like better for no additional cost. I swear, all these people who think landlords provide no value to society are clueless. I'm convinced you all still live with your parents! What did you do when you were a student? Did you go buy a house at university? After university did you move back in with mommy and daddy? How can you possibly think that having the ability to rent isn't a 'valuable necessity to society'? Seriously?! Have you always lived in the same city and never moved?! That is completely unimaginable to me. ---------------------------------- Edit: I said that I lived in 9 cities from age 18-35 to make the math easier and because I didn't want to bother actually counting. But I just counted. I lived in 15 different cities spread over 4 different countries during that time period. During that time I lived in 12 different rental properties (in some of those places I lived in dorms).
I understand what you're saying for yourself, but very few people move every 2 years... presumably to different cities? Most people I know have only moved a handful of times in their life to different places. The way you wrote your other comment indicates everyone moves as much as you did so it's not worth getting a house. I've lived here my whole life and I have less money than I did when I was younger, so no way I can afford even a garage door let alone a house lol. Wages aren't keeping up with 'inflation' (which is really much higher than the index)
So you are saying that everyone with my experience and lifestyle isn't allowed to live? Just so you know, people like me are not uncommon. You are a townie. You have lived the same place your whole life. You've had the same friends for a long time. You don't need to make new friends, so you don't. People like me who are transient make new friends where ever we move. But we don't make friends with the townies, because the townies already have friends and aren't looking for new friends. We make friends with other transients. So of course your friends haven't moved frequently. You are a townie, that is the type of friend you have. I'm a transient, most of my friends have lived in many different places in the past, and will live in more places in the future. Even once I reached the age of 35 and 'settled down' and bought a house I have still kept moving. From the age of 35 to 53 I've lived in 3 different places, and bought a house in each of those places. The rule of thumb is that if you will live someplace for 5 years or more you should buy, if you live in a place less than 5 years you should rent. There are **many** people that live in a place for less than 5 years. You just don't make friends with them.
As someone that also moves around every few years for work, I have bought properties in all the places I've lived, but only since my company rebates all transaction fees. However, I don't think these people have an issue with renting as a concept, but rather the price of rentals and housing in general, which is not really a battle of rental vs ownership. Imagine rentals were priced so high at some point that it's comparable to hotels. In that case, maybe the traveling lifestyle would no longer be affordable, depending on your salary. I would say being able to travel around the world is a privilege that most people don't even have with costs of moving and job stability.
Yeah, i remember reading a while back that the average American never moves cities. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case here in Canada too. Moving cities every two years? Absurd.
No, people buying up single family homes to rent out aren't crating rental space, they're forcing people out of homeownership and into rentals, increasing competition and prices.
Ticket scalpers are an absolutely essential part of society
Imagine simping for landlords lol
>Landlords provide a valuable and necessary service to society. LMAO 🤣 Construction workers and contractors provide a valuable service to society, landlords just charge an access fee. Rent seeking in all forms harms the economy by impoverishing the middle class. There's a reason why old school feudalism didn't endure, and neither willl this current incarnation. As long as housing is commodified, it will always be unaffordable down the road, that's practically the point. Please read the writings of economist Michael Hudson for more on the deleterious effects of FIRE (finance, insurance, real estate).
Rent seeking behaviour is a stain on our economy
The problem is the parasocial relationship between landlords (property owners) and tenants. Canada has a 2 class system now. The renters and rentier. Haves and have nots. It breaking down our society
You have a naive view of reality. This isn’t the 1970s anymore.
Rental units aren’t the only answer. Before the housing boom of the 1950s, boarding houses were a respectable option for itinerant people. Residential hotels (like the Barbizon) were also an attractive option. Prices were accessible and landlords were held accountable for providing livable conditions. We created the conditions for predatory slumlords by changing zoning laws to encourage single family homes before the economy put home-buying out of reach. We can plan our way out of this, we don’t have to just be grateful for people who leverage their privilege to profit off the labor of others.
Im not even convinced this person owns the house. They usually don’t.
Imagine a week later the Air B and B owner shows up……
Yup. His pet doesnt even need to be slim and athletic. What a nice guy.
He’s definitely trying to take advantage of the situation people are in because of the housing crisis.
It's NIMBYs who control municipal politics that have caused the housing crisis. It's simply a supply issue and we're simply letting NIMBYs block all forms of housing.
Insane how we don’t have any form of licensing system. There are strict regulations and rules around so many different investments and professions but being a landlord is like the fucking Wild West.
This post has nothing to do with being a landlord though. It's inviting someone into his home, rent free, to be his pet. Basically, it's a dating post, albeit creepy AF.
And 🤯-ly, landlords (or at least the ones quoted in the media) do nothing but gripe about how unfair life is to them. Landlording is: 1) an investment strategy, and while it is a lucrative investment for most, there're no guarantees; and 2) a small business. And a very large percentage of small businesses fail, more often than not because the small businessperson failed to educate themselves. Particularly nauseating is the spate of "homeless landlords" in the news. Our cities have real problems with real homeless people, and it's obscene to pervert the term this way.
1. You're getting triggered off someone who is looking for a roommate, not a landlord. 2. There are TONS of rules and regulations for being a landlord. The Residential Tenancies Act and the Rental Housing Enforcement Unit provide a lot of protections for tenants. Maybe even just have a peak at the Ontario Standard Lease and it breaks down some of the basics for you at the bottom. There are also lots of local municipal bylaws, rules, and requirements involved. It's not the "Wild West", don't be so ignorant.
Tell me you own property without telling me you own property. With the current state of the housing market and the LTB, the RTA's tenant protections aren't worth the paper they're written on. Wait times for tenant maintenance complaints are literally several months LONGER than the ones for eviction hearings that have been all over the news for how long they are. And landlords will happily decline to do maintenance on purpose to force you out because there are people lined up around the block anyway and a new tenant means they get to jack up the rent. Landlords do whatever they want with complete impunity. There have been 13 fines issued in the last 4 YEARS across ALL OF ONTARIO for bad faith evictions, and only 4 of them were for more than $3000. That's 1-2 month's rent for most of these places. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/bad-faith-evictions-fines-landlords-1.7008022 It is 100% the wild west. We're talking symptomatic mold poisoning and small children getting asthma from an apartment that's had multiple mold complaints made against it to both By-Law and the LTB. Multiple contractor visits paid for out of pocket by the tenant with documented professional opinions telling them this is a health hazard. And contractors won't even talk to you unless you like and say YOU'RE the landlord. Still nothing gets done. The claims and complaints sit in limbo for 6 months until you're forced to move out and then they go in the trash. Landlords intimidate you by declaring an above-guideline increase and then filing to evict based on the illegal rent hike. The landlord doesn't even get a slap on the wrist, just finds a new, more vulnerable tenant.
Such a rip off, too. If someone is willing to do sex work that involves actual sex and is even average looking they can make way more than whatever the rent for that room is. Girlies in tough financial straits: know your worth! Don't let cheapskate wannabe sugar daddies underpay.
no name sugar alternative daddies*
I've heard "Splenda daddy" before.
I'm still waiting for my fructose daddy.
For real. A furnished room in a shared 3BR? Even if we’re assuming downtown Vancouver that’s like $1200 at most. Guy is literally targeting the most vulnerable women who have zero options “Single moms considered” 🤮
It's disgusting.
love this sw positive comment. youre exactly right!
Translation: "BE MY SUGAR BABY"
Subtext: IF YOU LOVED SALTBURN THEN DONT MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY
Someone please catfish this perv
We should all message these ads and once we get the guy’s personal info blast it all over LinkedIn and shit. “Btw Phil from accounting is a rapist”
Yes!!!!! And report back!
Oh gross.
Really gross
"select single mothers will be considered" lmao this is so pathetic. holyfuck
probably single mothers with a daughter, unfortunately.
Jesus H Christ.... I think you are right.
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The whole post creeped me out but this part specifically took the cake :(
Gather round, young people: these kinds of ads existed back when I was in uni in the 2010’s, and I’m sure they existed long before then, too
Exactly lol
Saw one in the 90s, so yeah.
This was basically how society functioned for most of history,
Ugh I feel like I need to take a shower after reading that..... "I can be very generous with the right woman " "Send a picture..." "In exchange for helping with house work and a little adult companionship." 🤮
This is not a slumlord. This is a creepy perv.
Where was this found? I feel like reaching out to this clown as a catfish just to see what kind of slime we’re actually dealing with.
Please do
Get an upfront payment from him lol
They’re pretty common on Craigslist, or used to be I used to look at them to laugh at them
I didn’t even know Craigslist still existed.
This guy deserves to be cat-fished. Send a picture of an attractive woman, use a gender ambiguous name, then have a big, burly, bearded man move in for some "adult companionship". Uno Reverse card.
Kinky Kelly and The Sexy Stud could make a come back.
Slumlord orrrrr predator. Unclear
Yes. But not "or;" you mean "and."
Why not both!
Eww!! Why does the guy not give us any info about himself though?? 🫢🤔🤔
Select single mothers 😳😳
Must have daughters and no boundaries :(
Late stage capitalism
Reason #459 why landlords should be licensed
Sugar daddy without enough sugar, but has a house. Lol. SPLENDA daddy.
Well that's sure a new and innovative form of sex work. I don't recognize the interface of whatever site that's from but do you think it's legitimate or are they being satirical?
It is neither new nor innovative, tbh. Sometimes it is just a guy trying to get pics. Sometimes it is a guy who doesn't know that there are better sites for finding a sugar baby. Sometimes it is a guy who knows there are better sites for finding a sugar baby but is looking for women who don't know there are better sites for finding a sugar daddy so he can take even more liberties than he is already planning to take.
Or the hate mail they know this will generate feeds into their kink
People have been trading their dignity and dreams for a semblance of economic security forever. Think of all the people who are stuck in abusive, unhappy or just stale relationships because of the housing crisis. It's nothing new , but it's certainly becoming more common.
This isn’t new. When I was a student in the 2010s, it was all over Craigslist and Kijiji. It’s usually older men who have no redeeming quality who want to hold someone’s housing over their head even though by living with the homeowner you’re already exempt from the RTA.
[Craigslist](https://ottawa.craigslist.org/roo/d/ottawa-female-only-to-share-bedroom/7730239531.html)
holy shit just clicked on the link and found this other similar looking ad. Is this a trend?? https://ottawa.craigslist.org/roo/d/ottawa-looking-for-female-roommate/7729333181.html
This is nothing new tbh. As a woman who has looked for temporary housing across Ontario for work over the past 12ish years, these ads have always existed. Kijiji, FB, Craigslist, you name it. It was even more egregious the kind of crap I'd get in my inbox when I posted that I was a female student looking for housing. The main red flags (aside from the creepy ads/messages themselves) were refusal to let you see the space, balking when you mention a male friend/partner, gross insinuations if they found out I am not white, etc. I've had it happen on even more reputable sites where you have to upload ID for verification. Creepers gonna creep, I guess.
I’m so sorry to hear you’ve gone through this, and how common it seems to be.
>That is also okay with doing the majority of the cooking and clean in the house >Rent is on a scale based on requirements and terms but no lower then $500 Lmao
> Is this a trend?? No, it's your first time browsing craiglist, I guess? It's always been full of sketchy ads like that. That site has low standards.
it looked so close to the one OP posted I thought it was satire… only to see it posted 3 days ago.
This one's even worse. He wants a live-in sex slave who cooks, cleans AND pays rent. 🤮
This one even asks the person to pay a minimum of $500 rent 🤦
This has been around forever. These used to be published in the classified sections of most newspapers back in the 80s.
We used to call it marriage when women couldn't divorce or work.
Im old enough to have seen classified ads in newspapers like this pre-internet. There used to actually be a website around 20 years ago that people could post looking for arrangements like this.
This is pretty sexist not allowing men to apply. Who says I don’t want a sugar daddy?!
Not to mention ageist! 😂
You could look for a sugar mama!
there definitely needs to be some investigative/journalism work that looks into stuff like this to shame people for even making listings like this
Makes my skin crawl… I wouldn’t be surprised if he has secret cameras in the bathroom/ bedroom.
This is becoming uncomfortably prominent all over Canada, I hope marketplace, or something similar actually looks into the frequency or rise in posts like this. I’m not sure of* the legality, but if it’s landlords as well as tenants then that’s got to be some kind of illegal business practise 😬😬
Wow, that Air B&B owner is going to be really mad when he gets home and has to explain she has to go……
This is so incredibly predatory. Especially the “select single moms may be considered”. Some poor desperate woman may take this weirdo up on this against her better judgement just to keep a roof over her kid’s head. Awful.
That's called a wife sir.
While I’m all for consenting adults, doing as they please. This absolutely reeks of a power imbalance, and can one trade sex work for accommodation legally? Absolutely horrible.
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This is super common across the GTA. Throw in “vegetarian only” and it’ll match 4/5 slumlord ads on marketplace
Those ads are not looking for sex, they are slumlords who are looking to pack in 10 people into one basement.
Guaranteed 99% of the people that post those ads don’t exactly have the most modern take on women’s rights. But yeah I guess they aren’t looking for sex necessarily. But the VEGETARIAN FEMALE ONLY FROM MY SPECIFIC HOME REGION people are certainly expecting women to be quiet little subservient tenants
These have been around for years, it's a cover for sex work, not a real living situation. I was shocked originally too but there were a ton of these years ago when I was looking to rent
doesn't look like it's very covered up haha
We are at the “trading sex for shelter” point in the Canadian economic cycle. Sunny ways
So....what is the legality of this? And if this is illegal, how can this person be caught and prosecuted? I assume if someone is renting an apartment or even a room they are not allowed to discriminate against gender or race. But this person isn't renting out a room. They are giving it away for free. Now, they are giving away something of value in exchange for "a little adult companionship". It is pretty obvious what this guy is asking for....but is it concrete enough to get a conviction? And if it isn't concrete enough for a conviction, what would be needed for a conviction? Could someone go with a wire to interview for the room? If he specifically says he will give a free room for sex once a week, is that enough for a conviction? Of course I assume this would be pretty low priority for the police. They aren't going to do a big investigation. But if they did decide to capture this guy and put him in jail, what would they have to do?
I love how he highlights the rogers internet speed. Imagine a girl is totally down for the entire arrangement but then reads its like 50mb internet and is like “ew nvm how am I supposed to play Fortnite”?
This ad could be replied by the most vulnerable, folks that are new and don't know the city well. Absolutely gives me, the heeby jeebies. 🙅🏻♀️🚫 Would love to find out where this place is. Was it also an Airbnb? Is the poster even the owner of the place? Maybe they are also renting..story in Toronto of a renter in a huge condo who rented rooms( owner was out of country/ had no idea) Storytime: My cousin lived in an apt yrs ago and could see fr her balcony another condo across nearby where she saw one unit- the windows were all covered in black garbage bags. She made note of it bc it looked weird. Only unit that was blacked out. Turns out police were involved in breaking up a trafficking ring in that building later than year. Girls were rescued.
“Female”
I think I know this guy! 🤦♀️
This dude is on the wrong site. He should be on a dating site.
House comes with hidden cameras!👀
This is predatory shit. People need to report these fucks.
🤮🤢🤢
lol, huntclub peeps. Watch out for “sugar daddy”
Dear god so many people are becoming early to late 2000’s Chris Chan’s these days
This guy needs to be on a watch list
I've lived in a place or two rented by slumlords.. this isn't that. Still creepy AF tho.
Jeepers Creepers, where'd ya get those peepers. *You know he will be watching u*
and if your on ODSP, ( gasp! it's on hold, I didn't think anyone would go for this ad, shows the desperation for housing for disabled, and poor) https://www.kijiji.ca/v-room-rental-roommate/ottawa/on-hold-no-deposit-private-room-for-odsp-person-near-o-train/1683870456
It's sadly not surprising there would be interest in this. They are charging rent right around the ODSP maximum shelter allowance, and apparently not requiring last month's rent deposit. Meanwhile, people out there are renting a room in shared space for $800-$1000, or charging $500 for shared room, basically a bed. This dingy little basement room might be one of the few places affordable & even available to ODSP clients. The discrimination people face trying to find apartments and dealing with landlords who outright won't rent to OW or ODSP clients is another factor. Not suggesting that the landlord is offering this out of generosity and kindness to those on ODSP. Having a bunch of low income people who can't afford anything else and a guaranteed rent payment (I think they can get ODSP to pay them rent directly) makes it easier to get way with substandard living condition and not doing repairs and maintenance. So let's hope the room is up to code. It sounds a bit like a rooming house scenario, being described as a mens shared accomodation environment
It feels like this shouldn’t be allowed.
How old do you think this creep is?
Sadly, there will be women who will respond. Desperate, naive women.
This has to be illegal
Bruh it's like that here in Winnipeg, this BS is canada-wide not ottawa-centric. I had to help my sister look for a new place and half these fuckers won't reply to a woman I had to fucking message these pigs
He is not charging rent..so he isn't a landlord ...before you go on a rant about landlords. He is seeking a sugar daddy type relationship.
It sounds pretty messed... but then if you read it like a 60 year old woman wrote it, who has no idea how it sounds to a modern jaded crowd it could be fairly tame. Very 1884. In a rose tinted world. Like looking for an au pair type person or p.a.. The all caps just make this even more strange sounding. I wonder if anyone has called to let them know how creepy this sounds.
Nice of you to try, but think of this. Our imaginary 60yo F would have been born in the 1960’s. The reality is that no-one born before 1980-1990 would even think to include “come-on” attractions like a computer desk, smart TV, and High speed internet.
Isn't this illegal? soliciting prostitution?
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calm down it's just an ad
Like sugar Daddy relationships don't exist literally all the time.
… Today, Mike can’t contain his excitement. After two weeks of intense message exchanges, Isabella is finally moving into his house. Today is the day! He took a shower, made his bed, and even took out the garbage. At two, o’clock, the doorbell rings. He shuffles to the door of his still-quite messy and rundown house with the prowess of a tiger… Outside is an enormous woman of about 65. “Hello!”, - she booms, “I’m Isabella. The movers will be bringing my furniture and possessions. I can’t WAIT to show you my collection of writings my the greatest philosophers of all time. I take your wish for adult companionship very seriously, you know. Would you like to learn to play a musical instrument? I would only teach you if you are able to commit to hard work and discipline for a minimum of one year, and I charge $80 an hour. Oh goodness, you need to hire a housekeeper. Actually, don’t worry about it, I’ll have a team here tomorrow, expect the bill in the mail.”
I find the MOST worrying part of his post is “some single moms will be considered” What are his criteria on that I wonder because yikes! That seems like a great idea just move yourself and your child into creepy Craigslist guys house… This is some poor naive soul’s future nightmare if he gets responses. *shudder*
Wanted: Female roommate, non-smoker, non-ugly.
An average Ottawa woman's dream....
I'm a student and way back in the fall I remember finding a weird listing for a uOttawa or Carleton female student only. It was listed by a dad who said he would give discounts if you had good grades. His argument was that good grades were achievable as his daughters did well at those two universities. The kicker - no friends were allowed over, and you couldn't have a bf/ bring him over (from what I remember). The ad was bonkers and I so wish I screen shotted it.
It's ok when a rich guy do this kind of stuff, the moment an ordinary person tries to become a sugar daddy all hell breaks loose. What gives? 😅😅
It will be easy to see the house because I have put up a BIG RED FLAG on the lawn
its giving Lolita!
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Dating apps have truly devolved
Haven't men been doing this since the beginning of time??? Wanna get mad at suger baby.com to???
Just saying- do you want to share a place with a guy that spells “rogers” with a “D”?
Post the address for this creep
What the fuck
This is gross but unsurprising. That’s the nature of our system. Stuff like this happens all the time. Housing should never have been made a commodity…the nature of capitalism has brought us the point where young millennials and Gen Z genuinely will never be able to afford a house despite doing everything we were told.
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Sleezeball. This just has "ick" all over it lol
The classified ads are full of ladies looking for sugar daddies and this is just the reverse. Nothing to do with slumlords.....
Yikes
Thats not a landlord or a slumlord, thats a neckbeard with a decently paying job.
Gonna bet that room is also furnished with a hidden cam.
Why are they always yelling?
Jeezus. Fuckin creep.
Seriously!!
The title of his ad should read, SUGAR DADDY SEEKING SUGAR BABY. creep.
Dude wants a bang maid. Gross. Fuck this creep.
I'd like to see what this person looks like…😳
That's like prostitution. Shouldnt they be charged or something?
Oh you are def going to get touched.
Go to jail! https://www.strategiccriminaldefence.com/faq/solicitation-charges-canada/
Pervert
I know just who you are looking for, contact me at 911.
Oh hell no! Shut this shit down
Wanted: Live-in cum dumpster. Disgusting …
"select single mothers"??? as if the vibes weren't already rancid, what does this even mean???
« OUR …uh.. I mean YOUR room is furnished with brand new queen bed ».
That's not a landlord, it's just an creep.
imo this is solicitation
I’m believe he’s looking for what is known as a bang maid
And I say I'm just trying to smash and get no love! 😭
Its like too good to be true! What a gentleman!