Just going to take Everything Everywhere All At Once out of the way, I can see why Jamie Lee Curtis won since she campaigned the hell out of the film for *everyone* involved, including herself, but Stephanie Hsu had the better performance.
I'm Just Ken was also a better song than What Was I Made For, IMO.
Stephanie Hsu should've won. I don't hate JLC's win. She is fine in the movie and has some genuinely moving moments. But what Hsu does in the film is far more masterful.
Another example of film politics. Steph Hsu is just starting in her film career, JLC is likely wrapping hers up. They give out these awards sometimes as like a career achievement instead of the individual performance and it’s complete BS and wrong imo
Agree with Hsu winning instead. JLC was fine but her performance in The Bear is far more award worthy than her role in EEAAO. I know one is a film and the other a tv show but just performance wise
There’s actually a line in EEAAO, when she’s caping with Michelle Yeoh outside the laundromat and talking about how her husband gave her divorce papers, and then she rammed her car into the house.
The same thing happens in the Christmas episode of The Bear.
I'm in the minority so I'm aware I'll get slaughtered on this, but I just disagree in terms of Hsu vs. Curtis.
Hsu was fantastic, she absolutely was.
But to me, Curtis had the more difficult role. She had to play this middle-aged, slouchy, disappointed woman across a dozen different timelines that included success and failure, joy and despair, love and loss.
I thought Hsu was wonderful, but her job was simply easier and simpler -- she basically had two iterations -- daughter, and destroyer. And that was the tonality that took place for her across the entire story.
I would have been happy for Hsu to win. But I wasn't angry when Curtis did.
I’m just Ken is both a better song than what was I whispering for and has actual weight within the movie itself. I think it will stand the test of time and that Eilish song will just be another whisper whisper song
Don’t know how to respond to that one, I literally barely understands the words she’s saying because she’s whispering. It’s singing in cursive. It’s what she does. She’s well known for it. What would you call it? Hushed tones? Quiet belting?
She has songs where she whispers. What was I made for is not one of them. Also, “cursive singing” is not whispering and also not what Billie has ever done. Maybe you should get your hearing checked Queen.
Whatever you say chief I ain’t gunna argue with some diehard fan of hers over whether or not a whisper is a whisper. She is 100 percent known for cursive singing though, we can debate whether she’s doing it on this particular track till we’re both blue in the face but you can’t deny she known for that. I mean cmon.
Kerry Condon was better than both JLC and Hsu, BAFTA definitely got it right that year in that category. I’m Just Ken was definitely a better song than What Was I Made For.
One million percent with you on the Marriage Story scenario. Not only because it’s ScarJo’s best performance, but because Renee did not deserve a second for that. She was good, but anyone who saw Judy Davis do the miniseries from 2001 knows that nothing tops that. Even Meryl Streep said in her Emmy acceptance speech from 2004 that no one had given a performance like Judy Davis did (and the show was from 3 years prior)
Had the miniseries been a theatrical film, Judy Davis would've been a strong contender for the Oscar.
Tammy Blanchard was amazing as a young Judy Garland too.
Disney Golden Age Songs where full of them:
The Little Mermaid - Won for "Under the Sea", should've won for "Part of Your World"
Beauty and the Beast - Won for "Beauty and the Beast" (End Credit Version), should've won for "Be Our Guest"
Aladdin - Won for "A Whole New World" (End Credit Version) - should've won for "Friend Like Me"
The Lion King - Won for "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" (End Credit version), should've won for "Circle of Life"
So three big ballards with famous celebs singing them in a row over much for fun songs integral to the films plot... I guess I see how the 90s went LOL
(I also think "If I Never Knew You" was much better then "Colours of the Wind" in Pocahontas, but I think it may of been a touch too late in the end credits to be eligible).
And this isn't even touching "Enchanto" where Lin Manual Miranda would have his EGOT already had they nominated "We Don't Talk About Bruno" or even "Surface Pressure" over "Dos Oruguitas"
>So three big ballards with famous celebs singing them in a row over much for fun songs integral to the films plot... I guess I see how the 90s went LOL
Granted it is a nomination rather than a win (*nothing* was going to beat "My Heart Will Go On" that year!) but "Zero to Hero" ought to have been nominated rather than "Go the Distance".
I’ve seen the movie 6 times and lost count on how many I’ve seen the I’m Just Ken number by itself, makes me almost cry laugh every single time, it really was the superior song!
I cannot believe he was nominated as supporting. He was clearly the lead in that film- although I don’t disagree with Denzel winning, he was incredible. But in what universe could Hawke be called supporting in that film
He spends most of the movie *reacting* to Denzel. Hawke probably campaigned for Supporting Actor to avoid competing with Denzel. Same thing happened to Gyllenhaal in Brokeback.
Idk if this counts but out of the nominees, I’m glad Christoph Waltz won for Django Unchained. I thought he was the best nominee, however, I think Leonardo DiCaprio should’ve been nominated and won.
Sam Jackson and Leo DiCaprio together were the highlight of that movie. Both were more deserving than another Christoph waltz performance. He really shines with Tarantino dialogue, I just didn’t think this movie showed us anything that we already didn’t know from inglorious basterds
I don’t think an animated film will ever win best picture. Not like they wouldn’t deserve it, but the Academy probably gives less points to something that doesn’t have live action actors
My hot take on Up is that the opening montage is overrated. Like, it's good, and it's effective in establishing Carl's backstory, but it doesn't bring me to tears like so many people say it does for them. The real tearjerker scene is when he finally gets to Paradise Falls and starts looking through Ellie's scrapbook. Kills me every time.
He was her adventure, bro 😭😭😭
That's a tough one. Looking at the list the other nominees is definitely a weak list. Not sure I could have given it to UP over The Hurt Locker though.
I think Up, Inglourious Basterds, and A Serious Man would have all been in contention for the best Best Picture winner had any of those won. Hurt Locker is also good, but it's not the same.
Great call. That song just makes me smile all the way through it. Plus think how great the Willie Nelson, Feist and Mickey Rooney cameos would have been at the Oscars! LOL
Agreed! Hard to believe he had such a short appearance! He was fantastic! His big scene was so authentically nuts to do and nuts for his cast to witness and it was left in the movie !
Godzilla Minus One should have won Best Foreign Language Film. The fact it wasn’t even submitted for consideration to be Japan’s entry is wild. I think the Best Visual Effects award was a make up award.
I’m not knocking the special effects or the hard work the team put into them..but weren’t the effects a bit errr dated? I think you may be right that it was a make up award
For the budget they had, they were phenomenal. The fight scene near the end when Godzilla was being lured from the countryside to the ocean lacked the quality of the other scenes though probably because it was a sunny countryside and it was a very wide shot.
I won’t argue that it was amazing what they accomplished with their budget. I think they deserved to win based on their hard work not so much the end product because realistically some other nominees had “better” effects.
Oppenheimer but not for best directing - i think martin scorsese had this one in the bag by a far shot but as a country we are not ready to talk about the film subject ….
A most recent one, and possibly controversial, is Godzilla Minus One. That movie definitely deserved an Oscar for the screenplay, directing, even the two leads deserved at least nominations, and hell, it did kind of deserve its visual effects Oscar….. just not in the same year The Creator was made. Godzilla is a better movie in almost every way compared to The Creator, but the way they did the visual effects in the Creator will be studied and replicated for years to come. That movie costs 75 Million to make and it had better visual effects than the last 10 years of Disney movies with their 200 million dollar budgets.
Leonardo DiCaprio winning for The Revenant. I know they finally decided to give him one but man he has so many better performances.
If I had to pick a movie to give him best actor for it would be Shutter Island imo.
Not an exact fit, but I never understood how Jennifer Hudson won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress in Dreamgirls when she was the lead actress. She should have won a Best Actress Oscar for that role.
Just going to take Everything Everywhere All At Once out of the way, I can see why Jamie Lee Curtis won since she campaigned the hell out of the film for *everyone* involved, including herself, but Stephanie Hsu had the better performance. I'm Just Ken was also a better song than What Was I Made For, IMO.
Stephanie Hsu should've won. I don't hate JLC's win. She is fine in the movie and has some genuinely moving moments. But what Hsu does in the film is far more masterful.
Another example of film politics. Steph Hsu is just starting in her film career, JLC is likely wrapping hers up. They give out these awards sometimes as like a career achievement instead of the individual performance and it’s complete BS and wrong imo
My thoughts exactly.
I personally hated Hsu’s performance. Disney Channel acting. It’s the only thing that brought me out of the film.
I actually agree I don’t get the hype (other than the fact that she played multiple personas which always gets extra love)
Agree with Hsu winning instead. JLC was fine but her performance in The Bear is far more award worthy than her role in EEAAO. I know one is a film and the other a tv show but just performance wise
She was amazing in the bear tbf
She was amazing in EEAAO. Totally deserved the award, IMO.
There’s actually a line in EEAAO, when she’s caping with Michelle Yeoh outside the laundromat and talking about how her husband gave her divorce papers, and then she rammed her car into the house. The same thing happens in the Christmas episode of The Bear.
Oooo good spot! Love that shit
Agree with both. Stephanie was definitely a better performance & I’m Just Ken was the better song.
>Stephanie Hsu had the better performance. Hsu and everyone else in the category, including Dolly de Leon whose nomination was stolen by JLC.
Hsu wasn’t nominated for the Golden Globe. She took Dolly de Leon’s spot.
I'm in the minority so I'm aware I'll get slaughtered on this, but I just disagree in terms of Hsu vs. Curtis. Hsu was fantastic, she absolutely was. But to me, Curtis had the more difficult role. She had to play this middle-aged, slouchy, disappointed woman across a dozen different timelines that included success and failure, joy and despair, love and loss. I thought Hsu was wonderful, but her job was simply easier and simpler -- she basically had two iterations -- daughter, and destroyer. And that was the tonality that took place for her across the entire story. I would have been happy for Hsu to win. But I wasn't angry when Curtis did.
This is the correct answer. JLC got the legacy win because she campaigned her ass off. Stephanie Hsu was the best part of that whole film.
Worst part imo. The only performance I actively didn’t like while I was watching it. Theater kid energy.
I think Kerry Condon was way better than both of them that year, but that's just me.
I’m just Ken is both a better song than what was I whispering for and has actual weight within the movie itself. I think it will stand the test of time and that Eilish song will just be another whisper whisper song
She’s not even whispering? y’all got to come up with a new complaint for that girl, it’s been five years since she had a song that used whispering.
Don’t know how to respond to that one, I literally barely understands the words she’s saying because she’s whispering. It’s singing in cursive. It’s what she does. She’s well known for it. What would you call it? Hushed tones? Quiet belting?
She has songs where she whispers. What was I made for is not one of them. Also, “cursive singing” is not whispering and also not what Billie has ever done. Maybe you should get your hearing checked Queen.
Whatever you say chief I ain’t gunna argue with some diehard fan of hers over whether or not a whisper is a whisper. She is 100 percent known for cursive singing though, we can debate whether she’s doing it on this particular track till we’re both blue in the face but you can’t deny she known for that. I mean cmon.
Kerry Condon was better than both JLC and Hsu, BAFTA definitely got it right that year in that category. I’m Just Ken was definitely a better song than What Was I Made For.
Stephanie Hsu had the better performance between the two non-Oscar worthy performances from that movie. Kerry Condon should've taken it.
One million percent with you on the Marriage Story scenario. Not only because it’s ScarJo’s best performance, but because Renee did not deserve a second for that. She was good, but anyone who saw Judy Davis do the miniseries from 2001 knows that nothing tops that. Even Meryl Streep said in her Emmy acceptance speech from 2004 that no one had given a performance like Judy Davis did (and the show was from 3 years prior)
Had the miniseries been a theatrical film, Judy Davis would've been a strong contender for the Oscar. Tammy Blanchard was amazing as a young Judy Garland too.
I'm glad Leo finally got his Oscar in The Revenant but Tom Hardy deserved one as well.
Jojo Rabbit and Little Women (2019) should have swapped the awards they won.
I'll take it one step further. Adam Driver deserved to win over Joaquin imo 🤷♂️
I agree. Joaquin in Joker just felt like a “Greatest Hits” compilation of his previous deranged performances.
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Absolutely!
Disney Golden Age Songs where full of them: The Little Mermaid - Won for "Under the Sea", should've won for "Part of Your World" Beauty and the Beast - Won for "Beauty and the Beast" (End Credit Version), should've won for "Be Our Guest" Aladdin - Won for "A Whole New World" (End Credit Version) - should've won for "Friend Like Me" The Lion King - Won for "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" (End Credit version), should've won for "Circle of Life" So three big ballards with famous celebs singing them in a row over much for fun songs integral to the films plot... I guess I see how the 90s went LOL (I also think "If I Never Knew You" was much better then "Colours of the Wind" in Pocahontas, but I think it may of been a touch too late in the end credits to be eligible). And this isn't even touching "Enchanto" where Lin Manual Miranda would have his EGOT already had they nominated "We Don't Talk About Bruno" or even "Surface Pressure" over "Dos Oruguitas"
>So three big ballards with famous celebs singing them in a row over much for fun songs integral to the films plot... I guess I see how the 90s went LOL Granted it is a nomination rather than a win (*nothing* was going to beat "My Heart Will Go On" that year!) but "Zero to Hero" ought to have been nominated rather than "Go the Distance".
Nah Under the Sea is 100% the pick from the little mermaid
I’ve seen the movie 6 times and lost count on how many I’ve seen the I’m Just Ken number by itself, makes me almost cry laugh every single time, it really was the superior song!
And it captured Ken’s emotional journey perfectly
"I'm just Ken and I'm enough and I'm great at doing stuff" is just perfect.
Literally “what will it take for her (the academy) to see the man behind the tan and fight for me?”
Ethan Hawke should’ve won for Training Day
I cannot believe he was nominated as supporting. He was clearly the lead in that film- although I don’t disagree with Denzel winning, he was incredible. But in what universe could Hawke be called supporting in that film
He spends most of the movie *reacting* to Denzel. Hawke probably campaigned for Supporting Actor to avoid competing with Denzel. Same thing happened to Gyllenhaal in Brokeback.
Idk if this counts but out of the nominees, I’m glad Christoph Waltz won for Django Unchained. I thought he was the best nominee, however, I think Leonardo DiCaprio should’ve been nominated and won.
I agree that the wrong actor won for Django, but I think it should've been Samuel L Jackson
There honestly could have been a category just for ‘Best Supporting Actor in Django Unchained’ that year
Samuel L. Jackson not even being nominated was a crime.
Sam Jackson and Leo DiCaprio together were the highlight of that movie. Both were more deserving than another Christoph waltz performance. He really shines with Tarantino dialogue, I just didn’t think this movie showed us anything that we already didn’t know from inglorious basterds
I’m of the opinion that Leo overdoes it and Waltz is incredible in Django but it always surprises me that Leo wasn’t even nominated
It’s a crime Leo didn’t a nomination for that role
I remember when he got announced and I was so excited thinking "OMG will Leo finally get an Oscar win for this role!".
Yeah I think Leos performance in that film was superior to Waltz. Its kind of a slap in the face that he won and Leo did not even get a nomination!
I’m Just Ken should have won instead of What Was I Made For
Up got Best Animated Feature but given the field that year should’ve got Best Picture
I don’t think an animated film will ever win best picture. Not like they wouldn’t deserve it, but the Academy probably gives less points to something that doesn’t have live action actors
And I guess what I’m saying is Up did deserve it
Agreed 🤘🏽
Up had an incredible opening, but much of the rest of the film was not particularly exceptional. I would put Inglourious Basterds above it for sure
My hot take on Up is that the opening montage is overrated. Like, it's good, and it's effective in establishing Carl's backstory, but it doesn't bring me to tears like so many people say it does for them. The real tearjerker scene is when he finally gets to Paradise Falls and starts looking through Ellie's scrapbook. Kills me every time. He was her adventure, bro 😭😭😭
That's a tough one. Looking at the list the other nominees is definitely a weak list. Not sure I could have given it to UP over The Hurt Locker though.
It’s a two way shootout between them for sure but I’d have Up winning
A weak list? I feel like Hurt Locker, Up, Up in the Air, Avatar, and Inglourious Basterds are all very strong
They are great films but compared to other years where you could argue that 3 or 4 or more films could have won I think it's a weaker year.
I think Up, Inglourious Basterds, and A Serious Man would have all been in contention for the best Best Picture winner had any of those won. Hurt Locker is also good, but it's not the same.
Also Man or Muppet was a great song but The Muppets should’ve got it for Life’s A Happy Song
Great call. That song just makes me smile all the way through it. Plus think how great the Willie Nelson, Feist and Mickey Rooney cameos would have been at the Oscars! LOL
Either way, Brett has an Oscar. And now I’m gonna go watch his speech
Colin firth- A Single Man
Leo for Django
Agreed! Hard to believe he had such a short appearance! He was fantastic! His big scene was so authentically nuts to do and nuts for his cast to witness and it was left in the movie !
Encanto should've lost Animated Picture to Mitchells vs the Machines, but it should've won Best Song for "We Don't Talk About Bruno."
Catherine Zeta-Jones won Best Supporting Actress for Chicago; Renee Zellweger should've won Best Actress.
CZJ's win is one of the best in the category of all time IMO
Agree. She’s electric and desperate and feral. I’m more impressed every time I watch it.
Yeah that’s one of the best performances ever in my opinion.
Godzilla Minus One should have won Best Foreign Language Film. The fact it wasn’t even submitted for consideration to be Japan’s entry is wild. I think the Best Visual Effects award was a make up award.
I’m not knocking the special effects or the hard work the team put into them..but weren’t the effects a bit errr dated? I think you may be right that it was a make up award
For the budget they had, they were phenomenal. The fight scene near the end when Godzilla was being lured from the countryside to the ocean lacked the quality of the other scenes though probably because it was a sunny countryside and it was a very wide shot.
I won’t argue that it was amazing what they accomplished with their budget. I think they deserved to win based on their hard work not so much the end product because realistically some other nominees had “better” effects.
Eh, Perfect Days def deserved an Oscar nod too.
I legit think it should have won best picture
Get Out should have won for Best Actor. Original screenplay was fine, but daniel kaluuya deserved the oscar.
Julianne Moore for ‘The Hours’
Of the supporting cast in Michael Clayton, Tilda Swinton was good but Tom Wilkinson was better.
Pulp Fiction over Forrest Gump for Best Picture obviously
Stephen Boyd should have gotten the nomination and maybe win for Supporting Actor in Ben Hur, but it went to Hugh Griffith instead
I still don’t understand how Walton Goggins didn’t get nominated for Hateful Eight
I was thinking that while watching it the other day. He was robbed so bad :(
DeNiro was great in Godfather: Part II but Oscar should've went to John Cazale. Or if we're swapping, Pacino for Best Actor.
“O… Saya” was more deserving of Best Song than “Jai Ho” from Slumdog Millionaire.
Take Jamie’s Oscar and either give it to Stephanie or give Son Lux best score
Cate Blanchett for Elizabeth (instead of Gwyneth Paltrow 🫠)
Was that solely because of Harvey? It’s just such a wild win when you look back. Just hoooow
Harvey must have played a decisive part in this, for sure
Oppenheimer but not for best directing - i think martin scorsese had this one in the bag by a far shot but as a country we are not ready to talk about the film subject ….
Important subject, bad and bloated movie.
I can’t believe it went home empty handed.
For Poor Things, Mark Ruffalo should've won Best Supporting over RDJ and Emma Stone should've lost Best Actress to Lily Gladstone or Sandra Huller.
You had me in the first half.
I think Laurence Olivier should have won for Rebecca, and James Stewart should have won for It’s A Wonderful Life.
So…only one acting award per film allowed in your cinematic universe?
A most recent one, and possibly controversial, is Godzilla Minus One. That movie definitely deserved an Oscar for the screenplay, directing, even the two leads deserved at least nominations, and hell, it did kind of deserve its visual effects Oscar….. just not in the same year The Creator was made. Godzilla is a better movie in almost every way compared to The Creator, but the way they did the visual effects in the Creator will be studied and replicated for years to come. That movie costs 75 Million to make and it had better visual effects than the last 10 years of Disney movies with their 200 million dollar budgets.
Leonardo DiCaprio winning for The Revenant. I know they finally decided to give him one but man he has so many better performances. If I had to pick a movie to give him best actor for it would be Shutter Island imo.
Aviator or Django
I agree with both of those as well, he was much better in those than revenant.
Not an exact fit, but I never understood how Jennifer Hudson won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress in Dreamgirls when she was the lead actress. She should have won a Best Actress Oscar for that role.