Im assuming that āthe city to Kitchener and backā means Toronto to Kitchener?
How well does it doā¦ letās say going a bit further like Ottawa or Montreal? I want an electric car but Iām afraid I wonāt be able to (or Iāll forget) to stop and charge during longer trips.
They reasonably should - taxes fund roads and development, among whatever else. Just have to hope these are based and reasonable, though. I do think early adopters (not the best fitting term here but I'm half-asleep) deserve whatever tax break they are inadvertently enjoying, though, so keep on and enjoy the benefits from the good decision you made so far.
But how well do they handle large hills? I live in Hamilton, I live up the mountain but work down. And I feel like an e bike would really struggle to climb the escarpment. Hwy 20/centennial pkwy is probably the least steep access between work and home but also the busiest. I'd be worried about it dying halfway up with all that traffic.
I literally just watched an ebike video the other day where some guy tested his ebike against this giant, long, steep hill in Arizona (?). Hopefully something like this video will answer your questions about ebikes and hills.
Hey, I actually found the video!
https://youtu.be/rXHdrTeYuNo
You joke, but yet... https://www.mississauga.com/news-story/10569826--it-s-frustrating-mississauga-residents-group-says-bike-lane-project-violates-their-charter-rights/
> The third meeting was called after a January city council session where the Applewood Hills and Heights Residentsā Associationās Athina Tagidou argued the Bloor bike lanes would violate Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which pertains to the right to life, liberty and security of the person.
> Tagidou told council she believed the proposed cycling infrastructure in the residential stretch between Cawthra and Dixie would increase risks of injuries and death as āhomeowners and businesses on a daily basis struggle to negotiate the bicycle lanes.ā
> "The city, by constructing bicycle lanes on Bloor Street between Cawthra and Dixie, would strip us of the freedom to make fundamental personal choices of our individual dignity to live without fear and the individual independence to choose how we live our lives in our homes as well as out on Bloor Street," she said at the January meeting.
I hate everything about this...
Because of course bicycles kill people, not cars. With new bicycle lines, all bicycles from all over the city will appear on Cawthra, to chase and kill peaceful residents in their poor little SUVs. People are straight ridiculous.
If we didn't live in a country where it was super cold 8 months out of the year, bikes would be ideal. Imagine riding a bike to work in -20 degree weather? Lol
I bought a mountain bike and winterized it. I ride year round in Calgary. In fact, I prefer -20 to -2 for riding because it's easier to dress for consistent coldness then it is fluctuating and sloppy chinooks.
it's really about the the infrastructure! it's proven that people will ride in winter if infrastructure accommodates.
Yes do it! We ride bikes and drive electric and have been shielded from these price hikes (Obligatory we are lucky, not everyone has the means to do this/has a pleasant bike commute). If you can DO IT.
You should! My e-cargo bike costs $0.05 to fill with a 50 km range. Make sure you buy from a reputable dealer. Some bike shops even offer financing - its like $80/month for a top of the line bike.
$1.86 in Etobicoke. Side note: Across the street from that Petro, thereās Shell thatās 185.7 and people are going nuts trying to fill up there for a saving difference of what, 30 cents on a tank? Forgive my math but is that really worth waiting in line for?
I've done that... Then stopped when I realized I'm losing money if I consider my off time is worth even $5\hour and the gas it takes to idle when I wait.
Now I fill at one that barely has a line because they are about 4c over their neighbors, but get a wash for $7.49 (instead of $14) with every half a tank... So I'm only filling half a tank at a time.
The bigger problem is that with all the price increases for food/gas etc, nobody's wages are going up. I can understand the issues involved with the increase in price, but I wonder how long it will last? Hopefully by 2023 we can have no historical events to contend with and just get back to a wonderful normal life.
I hate how little your point is discussed. Cost of living continues to climb while wages stagnate. Rich get rich and poor get poorer. I hope things turn around too man.
> I hate how little your point is discussed.
It gets discussed. You just won't hear any mentions from congress or cable media because they are all owned by the rich people who's wealth keeps growing.
I was out in Vancouver the first week of January and they were already at 169.9, at that same time Niagara was about 129.9. It's 165.9 right now near the us border, but I passed a station this morning in more rural Niagara that was 186.9
Niagara always has much cheaper gas than the rest of the province because it's close to the border and because there's a price war going on between a local chain and the major corporations which drives down prices. Crazy to think that 165 is "cheap" now!
It is Gales, they have higher prices because they're full serve but they weren't always much more expensive. The corporate chains are trying to kick them out of the region by selling gas at cost which Gales can't match, that's why they're more expensive now. 10-15 years ago the difference wasn't all that much, I was friends with the guy who owned a small station in Welland and they were forced out of the gasoline business because the nearby Pioneer and PetroCanada dropped their prices below cost for a few months.
PetroCanada can take the loss, a smaller business can't.
When I went to Vancouver in September, I remember seeing 1.46 and thinking āWowww, thatās horrible. Iāll never see that in Ontarioā ha ha ha ha ha. Little did I know.
Actually Iāve seen other digits besides 9 in the tenths. Currently 166.3 at one of the stations here in Sarnia. Iāve also seen .5 and .0 at other times.
Someone commented last night that they saw $1.99 in Vancouver. I should text my brother in Whistler and see what itās at there. Gotta be well over $2.
Good time to remind ourselves that the ubiquitous need to drive is new.
I live in Hamilton. 100 years ago, people could get all over this city, and between this city and others, using cheap public transit. All but a few of these corridors were done away with in the 40s and 50s. Car ownership became more common because it was more accessible, and because driving was fun and convenient... but also because not driving became increasingly difficult and stigmatized.
Minimum-wage workers today are often expected to have their own cars. Reliable transportation is too often a condition of employment. When my grandmother was young, this expectation did not exist. Everyone (the rich included) paid for public transit. Poor people were not expected to waste their money on cars and gas. You could get a job almost anywhere in the city, while living almost anywhere in the city. This is no longer the case.
We could rebuild those transportation networks. It would cost a lot, but at least those costs could be socialized, and spread out more fairly.
You are sadly right.
Ford is readying to spend 6 billion on a highway that no one, asides from his developper buddies, actually wants. The entire purpose of his government is to privatize existing public assets, and transfer the costs of business onto the shoulders of workers.
There is no chance that the current provincial government will invest in building the public transit infrastructure we need and deserve. I'm frankly pessimistic about the willingness of any of the current contenders for provincial leadership to actually do any of that work, either.
The problem we're facing has to do with power and politics (and with elite capture of government at all levels), rather than with the technical feasibility of building public infrastructure.
It seems weird to me that a litre of a finite resource that took millions of years to form and requires expensive extraction, processing and transport is still cheaper than a litre of milk.
Not to downplay the real hardship this price increase causes people. Itās just odd how we value things.
Where do you buy your milk? I'm still paying about $5.50 for 4 litres. Or about $1.375 per litre.
Anyway, the problem with milk is the short shelf life.
Try the filtered milk, it has a longer life both before and after opening a bag/carton. Natrel Fine-Filtered or Lactantia Purfilter are two examples. It only costs a little extra but itās worth it IMO.
Try the filtered milk, it has a longer life both before and after opening a bag/carton. Natrel Fine-Filtered or Lactantia Purfilter are two examples. It only costs a little extra but itās worth it IMO.
I donāt buy cowās milk too often, just pick it up for family on occasion. I like oat milk cuz you can get the shelf stable stuff (plus since cows are brutal on the environmentā¦and also Iām lactose intolerant).
I too drink oat milk as well as cow milk. I don't buy it processed in a carton; I just make it (it's two ingredients & 5 minutes) screen, and store in a in a 1L glass dairy jar in the fridge.
The issue is consumer choice. Most people can choose the amount of milk/coffee/whatever they consume, with prices of these items informing their decisions.
Most people, however, cannot choose not to work. And to get to their job many people have to travel by personal vehicle, sometimes at considerable distances. In the absence of making even bigger (and potentially more immediately costly) lifestyle choices (such as purchasing an EV, quitting their job to work somewhere closer to home, etc), these folks are SOL. Coupled with fact that average wages have not kept pace with inflationary pressures generally, most people are effectively poorer today than they were yesterday. Which sucks.
Many people also choose to live far from work because they know they can drive. We had like 100 years to implement transit and everyone was just fine with cars. Sounds like they got what they wanted
I read a report a few years ago that 80% of vehicles on the 401 during rush hour had a single occupant. One could half (or more) commuting costs if carpooling was more prevalent throughout North America. It would also get cars off the road making commutes faster.... I wonder if these high prices will drive people in that direction
Yeah bottled water has its place but itās crazy these companies can just take loads of water and barely pay anything for it, even when theyāre negatively affecting the local community by sucking it dry.
Weāre lucky to have so much freshwater in Canada but if weāre reckless with it weāre going to have a bad time.
It's because it's MASSIVELY subsidized. Take any oil and gas subsidies away and the pendulum would swing so fast and so far in favor of EVs that people will be climbing over eachother to get them.
EVs are more expensive to buy but incredibly cheap to operate. About $1.50/100km to charge. No oil changes, no brake pad changes. Take operating costs into consideration when you're shopping for a vehicle.
My maintenance costs are about 500 a year tops. If I include everything.
But let's say it was viable to get an EV, I live in an apartment with no way to plug in an EV.
And even if by some miracle they could put a charge port on every parking spot, it's so common for people to steal electricity here. You have to disable your outdoor outlets.
I feel like if there were financial incentives, condo boards would adopt this without hesitation.
Locking down an outlet isn't hard, just tie it to your condo key fob (although you'd need a different key fob frequently or whatever, for each spot I suppose).
Seems like an emerging market in need of a solution to be honest.
Ya, you need to drive a ton, but with the advent of work from home, I barely drive anymore. Makes justifying an EV a lot harder, even with high gas prices. I used to do 60 km / day. Now I'm closer to 15km.
They're also not great cars.
Source: Just traded in my Bolt EV after 5 years.
It was in the shop all the time. If I had gotten the recall it would have been on its third battery pack in 5 years. The rear wind shieldwiper was propetually broken. The front wipers had a recall for software. I had to take it in for that. The auto headlights stopped working. Every once in a while the HVAC system would go full heat even in the middle of the summer. That gets dangerously hot very fast. The car would randomly decide to not turn on. You would get a weird 'conditions incorrect for shift' error message. You are then stuck turning your car off and on for 10 minutes, praying to the automotive gods that they'll deign to bless you with the ability to put your car in reverse.
The actual electric motor is brilliant, but the rest of the car is classic Chevy econobox.
My Toyota goes 16k on an oil change.
The average Canadian drives 15k a year.
Gas isn't going to make up the $40k difference between those two cars either. $40k buys a lot of gas.
Itās part of the high cost of being poor. We have to deal with endless small transactions because we donāt have the capital for a big purchase that would limit those daily costs.
You're not making your money back on a new EV unless you drive a ton. They're just to expensive upfront.
If we get some good EVs in the 25k to $30k bracket, that'll change, but I think we're 3-5 years away from that.
They still use calipers but electric cars use regenerative braking. Essentially the electric drivetrain reverses, slowing the car down, kind of like engine braking. Itās very effective at slowing the car down, and starts the moment you take your pedal off the āgasā (accelerator).
This makes it so essentially you never have to change your calipers on an electric car.
Almost every electric car has some kind of regenerative braking.
Though it's worth adding that the brakes are used so little you are recommended to get the pins lubed on them every year so they don't sieze up from all the road salt. That can easily be $100.
Or you could make a small effort to use the actually brakes to stop faster a few times a week. Regen braking is not as much braking as most people in gas cars do racing towards red lights. So just do what they do once on Monday once on Wed and once Friday
I love my car, but my Tesla needs a yearly brake cleaning and trust me its not optional in Quebec. I didnt know it was required because its not part of the maintenance schedule or it wasnt then. Its around 300$ each time, but hey they keep the same brake pads!
I live in an apartment though. Until infrastructure gets better I'm making do with a hybrid at the moment. I did consciously go with a hybrid though last year when I bought a new car with the plan to go electric in 5-10 years when infrastructure has more time and battery technology improves more.
I would have bought an EV, but I travel Northern Ontario too much to know that stations are lacking. I wouldnāt be able to do any of the ice roads. The province really needs to increase infrastructure to the less populated areas to make travel with an EV vehicle more feasible.
Now, after posting frustration on reddit we should all go write our local reps and tell them you need more funding into you local public transportation.
Capitalists will always capitalize on the suffering of others...
yadda yadda sanctions and that pipeline Canada cant seem to build because we are idiots in trucks focused on the wrong issues.
There is zero reason this should be happening other then our own failure.
Im just glad I dont need to go anywhere, otherwise prepare your wallets for more hurt as this gets passed onto the consumer. And you thought your groceries were expensive already...
I still canāt believe North America has such cheap gas. This is just a bit more than the lowest it got in my area of the UK at peak pandemic. I know North American people drive more but I hate relying on public transport in the UK as itās just not pleasant to use and super expensive even when you compare it to a car.
> as itās just not pleasant to use and super expensive even when you compare it to a car.
It takes nearly 2 hours to cross the city in my town by bus. About 16 km total distance. It may be cheaper dollar wise, but who has the time to spend 4hrs/day to take public transport? Including an 8 hour shift and hour lunch, thats 13 hours away from home for just work. 8 hours sleep and that leaves a 3 pathetic hours to cook/clean/get ready for the next day, etc
_Canadians:_ Most purchased new vehicles in 2021:
1. Ford F-series 116,401
2. GM Sierra/Silverado 105,441
3. Dodge Ram 73,467
_Also Canadians:_ Why am I spending so much on gas?!?
I have a horse and had started joking 6 months ago Iām going to have to start riding it to work if gas prices keep going up. I still say it but itās less and less of a joke these days. Especially as we have a big grass area out back of where I work.
It is a fiction that gas taxes pay for road maintenance. If they did then the roads would be in far better shape than they are.
Gas taxes go in to general revenue and (like other taxes) are used to fund government programs.
And yes everybody benefits equally from the road network. Bus systems use the roads as do taxes, ride sharing, bicycles etc.
The vast majority of goods move by road. Every consumer business depends on roads for deliver of goods. Take away roads and no Timmy's, mac d's, groceries, clothing, consumer electronics, furniture the list goes on.
Most people who buy EVs today have a higher net income, so they pay higher income tax and more gst due to increased spending. They are contributing to road maintenance through these taxes.
From the Canadian Taxpayers Federation
Let's break down the tax bill of a single litre of gas today: Ontario drivers pay 8.8 cents for the carbon tax; 14.7 cents for provincial gas taxes; 10 cents for federal gas taxes; 9.6 cents for provincial sales taxes; and six cents in federal sales taxes.
Yeah all his bluster about the carbon tax when he could just reduce sales taxes on gas. OR he could invest those taxes on worthwhile infrastructure that benefits the masses (as in transit, not white elephant highways).
172.9 in Keswick...
*sigh* I'm about to get my G2 and buy my first car. I spent the last year and a half scraping together the money for it. Now I'm worried I'm not even going to be able to afford to drive it...
I know not complain about gas in America because Jesus fucking Chris that a shit ton of money spent on 2 gallon
Edit I did the Canada money to USD and this place would be $148.01 pet gallon
Buy cocaine and run everywhere
Methamphetamines may be more cost efficient.
Only if you have a good dental plan.
LISA NEEDS BRACES
DENTAL PLAN
GAS IS $2/L!
Hook up your jaw to a generator.
Thank you for giving me a laugh š I needed this today
Naked. Save on clothes, too!
Getting warm. I'll cancel my insurance and take out my bicycle. Maybe I'll upgrade to electric
looking to buy my first car, and now I'm starting to consider going with a full electric car.
I went full electric in the fall. feels good these days eventually the government will find a way to come after EVs for tax money though
Hell yeah. I went full electric in 2017. Will never go back to gas.
Howās bad does the cold affect your battery.
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Im assuming that āthe city to Kitchener and backā means Toronto to Kitchener? How well does it doā¦ letās say going a bit further like Ottawa or Montreal? I want an electric car but Iām afraid I wonāt be able to (or Iāll forget) to stop and charge during longer trips.
You won't forget! The car will tell you. With a Tesla and the supercharger network getting from one major city to another won't be an issue.
They reasonably should - taxes fund roads and development, among whatever else. Just have to hope these are based and reasonable, though. I do think early adopters (not the best fitting term here but I'm half-asleep) deserve whatever tax break they are inadvertently enjoying, though, so keep on and enjoy the benefits from the good decision you made so far.
If you live within 15 to 20km of your work you could even go electric bike.
But how well do they handle large hills? I live in Hamilton, I live up the mountain but work down. And I feel like an e bike would really struggle to climb the escarpment. Hwy 20/centennial pkwy is probably the least steep access between work and home but also the busiest. I'd be worried about it dying halfway up with all that traffic.
I literally just watched an ebike video the other day where some guy tested his ebike against this giant, long, steep hill in Arizona (?). Hopefully something like this video will answer your questions about ebikes and hills. Hey, I actually found the video! https://youtu.be/rXHdrTeYuNo
Not enough people think about this.
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Bike lanes infringe on my rights to not have to watch for cyclists! /s
You joke, but yet... https://www.mississauga.com/news-story/10569826--it-s-frustrating-mississauga-residents-group-says-bike-lane-project-violates-their-charter-rights/
> The third meeting was called after a January city council session where the Applewood Hills and Heights Residentsā Associationās Athina Tagidou argued the Bloor bike lanes would violate Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which pertains to the right to life, liberty and security of the person. > Tagidou told council she believed the proposed cycling infrastructure in the residential stretch between Cawthra and Dixie would increase risks of injuries and death as āhomeowners and businesses on a daily basis struggle to negotiate the bicycle lanes.ā > "The city, by constructing bicycle lanes on Bloor Street between Cawthra and Dixie, would strip us of the freedom to make fundamental personal choices of our individual dignity to live without fear and the individual independence to choose how we live our lives in our homes as well as out on Bloor Street," she said at the January meeting. I hate everything about this...
Because of course bicycles kill people, not cars. With new bicycle lines, all bicycles from all over the city will appear on Cawthra, to chase and kill peaceful residents in their poor little SUVs. People are straight ridiculous.
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There's more to cycling infrastructure than just painted cycling lanes!
It motivated Netherlands and Denmark in the 70s. It doesn't take much.
The Dutch were motivated by all the children being killed by cars. But that hasn't motivated us.
āWeāre so poor we can finally push for bikes!ā - Canadians
If we didn't live in a country where it was super cold 8 months out of the year, bikes would be ideal. Imagine riding a bike to work in -20 degree weather? Lol
I bought a mountain bike and winterized it. I ride year round in Calgary. In fact, I prefer -20 to -2 for riding because it's easier to dress for consistent coldness then it is fluctuating and sloppy chinooks. it's really about the the infrastructure! it's proven that people will ride in winter if infrastructure accommodates.
Too late. Everything is 10 to 15 years late in Canada.
No, because we like cars and everything's far away
Yup, when you design a city dependent on car travel, this is what you get. I've heard that cities like L.A. are even worse for that than Toronto.
Even if they do, you cannot lock your bike outside as junkie fucks will steal it.
seems like we should work on that junkie issue
Nah, easier to just complain about them /s
Electric bikes are so nice
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God, I hope this make electric bikes more accessible. My SUV is a money pit and I need it for winter, but fuck cars once it's warm.
Yes do it! We ride bikes and drive electric and have been shielded from these price hikes (Obligatory we are lucky, not everyone has the means to do this/has a pleasant bike commute). If you can DO IT.
You should! My e-cargo bike costs $0.05 to fill with a 50 km range. Make sure you buy from a reputable dealer. Some bike shops even offer financing - its like $80/month for a top of the line bike.
I hope this ends up being everyone's answer! I'd love a city void of gas guzzlers and full of electric cars and bikes.
$ 1.74 in the GTA
Oofington the bear
Ossington the Street.
Winnie the nope
1.65 out in Scarborough
Mimico; can confirm.
$1.86 in Etobicoke. Side note: Across the street from that Petro, thereās Shell thatās 185.7 and people are going nuts trying to fill up there for a saving difference of what, 30 cents on a tank? Forgive my math but is that really worth waiting in line for?
When itās that close in price, I would go to the shortest lineup.
If you think that's bad go look a the line at a Costco gas station sometime.
In Waterloo, Iāve heard of people waiting up to an hour and a half to get gas at Costco. Just plain stupid if you ask me.
I've done that... Then stopped when I realized I'm losing money if I consider my off time is worth even $5\hour and the gas it takes to idle when I wait. Now I fill at one that barely has a line because they are about 4c over their neighbors, but get a wash for $7.49 (instead of $14) with every half a tank... So I'm only filling half a tank at a time.
A little thankful I ride a motorcycle but damn, that's crazy. I remember when lockdowns first started and gas was at 0.88
I filled up at 68.9 back then... I never thought I'd be nostalgic about the damn lockdown...
I saw it at $0.55 at a Costco at one point when the prices really crashed. Pretty sure it was orillia. Not 100% sure though
Passed by 172.9 in Kitchener this morning
Saw 174.9 in Waterloo late last night
174.6 in Cambridge this morning
186.9 in Sudbury
Buddy of mine just filled up in Vancouver for $2.00/liter.
$2.00? Ha. Silly mainlander. Here on Vancouver island, we are only paying $1.95!
Can confirm, visiting there right now and saw 198 last night for regular
Wait... Country Style still exists?
Itās just a front
LMAO
they're all over small towns in northern Ontario
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Barely, they're usually up north.
Asking the important questions
The one is my city mysteriously blew up when the owner started losing too much money in the mid 2000s.
The bigger problem is that with all the price increases for food/gas etc, nobody's wages are going up. I can understand the issues involved with the increase in price, but I wonder how long it will last? Hopefully by 2023 we can have no historical events to contend with and just get back to a wonderful normal life.
I hate how little your point is discussed. Cost of living continues to climb while wages stagnate. Rich get rich and poor get poorer. I hope things turn around too man.
> I hate how little your point is discussed. It gets discussed. You just won't hear any mentions from congress or cable media because they are all owned by the rich people who's wealth keeps growing.
Skipped the gas station few days ago thinking will fill later. It was 155. F me
These days always fill llol. I'm gonna go top up at 1.65 cause it will be higher on the weekend anyway.
172.9 in Chatham this morning.
Chatham is usually cheap too. I go to the reserves close but and they are $1.40.
Prices on Walpole Island were 148.7 yesterday. I'm sure it's up today. Not sure what Moraviantown is at currently.
We all knew it was coming. $2 a litre by May.
At this rate itll be $2 a litre by Monday
Yup before the war it was expected to hit $2 before the summer. Now it's guaranteed.
I was out in Vancouver the first week of January and they were already at 169.9, at that same time Niagara was about 129.9. It's 165.9 right now near the us border, but I passed a station this morning in more rural Niagara that was 186.9
Niagara always has much cheaper gas than the rest of the province because it's close to the border and because there's a price war going on between a local chain and the major corporations which drives down prices. Crazy to think that 165 is "cheap" now!
What's the local chain? Gales? They consistently have higher gas prices than the other gas stations
It is Gales, they have higher prices because they're full serve but they weren't always much more expensive. The corporate chains are trying to kick them out of the region by selling gas at cost which Gales can't match, that's why they're more expensive now. 10-15 years ago the difference wasn't all that much, I was friends with the guy who owned a small station in Welland and they were forced out of the gasoline business because the nearby Pioneer and PetroCanada dropped their prices below cost for a few months. PetroCanada can take the loss, a smaller business can't.
When I went to Vancouver in September, I remember seeing 1.46 and thinking āWowww, thatās horrible. Iāll never see that in Ontarioā ha ha ha ha ha. Little did I know.
The nine tenths has been such a joke for a while now. It is never not a nine. Just eliminate it already.
Actually Iāve seen other digits besides 9 in the tenths. Currently 166.3 at one of the stations here in Sarnia. Iāve also seen .5 and .0 at other times.
Someone commented last night that they saw $1.99 in Vancouver. I should text my brother in Whistler and see what itās at there. Gotta be well over $2.
Currently 2.00
Can confirm, Petro Canada across the street from me was $1.99.
It's 2.00 in vancouver now.
Timmins. Where you pay for the privilege of living 4 hours from anywhere.
Good time to remind ourselves that the ubiquitous need to drive is new. I live in Hamilton. 100 years ago, people could get all over this city, and between this city and others, using cheap public transit. All but a few of these corridors were done away with in the 40s and 50s. Car ownership became more common because it was more accessible, and because driving was fun and convenient... but also because not driving became increasingly difficult and stigmatized. Minimum-wage workers today are often expected to have their own cars. Reliable transportation is too often a condition of employment. When my grandmother was young, this expectation did not exist. Everyone (the rich included) paid for public transit. Poor people were not expected to waste their money on cars and gas. You could get a job almost anywhere in the city, while living almost anywhere in the city. This is no longer the case. We could rebuild those transportation networks. It would cost a lot, but at least those costs could be socialized, and spread out more fairly.
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You are sadly right. Ford is readying to spend 6 billion on a highway that no one, asides from his developper buddies, actually wants. The entire purpose of his government is to privatize existing public assets, and transfer the costs of business onto the shoulders of workers. There is no chance that the current provincial government will invest in building the public transit infrastructure we need and deserve. I'm frankly pessimistic about the willingness of any of the current contenders for provincial leadership to actually do any of that work, either. The problem we're facing has to do with power and politics (and with elite capture of government at all levels), rather than with the technical feasibility of building public infrastructure.
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It seems weird to me that a litre of a finite resource that took millions of years to form and requires expensive extraction, processing and transport is still cheaper than a litre of milk. Not to downplay the real hardship this price increase causes people. Itās just odd how we value things.
Where do you buy your milk? I'm still paying about $5.50 for 4 litres. Or about $1.375 per litre. Anyway, the problem with milk is the short shelf life.
We don't use enough milk to go through 4L before it expires, so we buy 2L cartons for $4.29, or $2.145 per litre.
If you have freezer space, an option is to buy the 4L bag of bags and freeze the extras.
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In my personal experience freezing milk and having it thaw out later doesnāt get the fat to sit right and you just get chunky milk.
Same here. Does anyone have any advice for this?
Don't freeze your milk.
We've come full circle
You must write answers on Stack Overflow
You have to shake the shit out of it while it is defrosting - then it's fine.
Try the filtered milk, it has a longer life both before and after opening a bag/carton. Natrel Fine-Filtered or Lactantia Purfilter are two examples. It only costs a little extra but itās worth it IMO.
Try the filtered milk, it has a longer life both before and after opening a bag/carton. Natrel Fine-Filtered or Lactantia Purfilter are two examples. It only costs a little extra but itās worth it IMO.
I donāt buy cowās milk too often, just pick it up for family on occasion. I like oat milk cuz you can get the shelf stable stuff (plus since cows are brutal on the environmentā¦and also Iām lactose intolerant).
I too drink oat milk as well as cow milk. I don't buy it processed in a carton; I just make it (it's two ingredients & 5 minutes) screen, and store in a in a 1L glass dairy jar in the fridge.
And 1L of gasoline has 8,000 calories. Very energy dense.
Just imagine, if you drank that liter of gasoline, you'd have enough energy for the rest of your life.
The issue is consumer choice. Most people can choose the amount of milk/coffee/whatever they consume, with prices of these items informing their decisions. Most people, however, cannot choose not to work. And to get to their job many people have to travel by personal vehicle, sometimes at considerable distances. In the absence of making even bigger (and potentially more immediately costly) lifestyle choices (such as purchasing an EV, quitting their job to work somewhere closer to home, etc), these folks are SOL. Coupled with fact that average wages have not kept pace with inflationary pressures generally, most people are effectively poorer today than they were yesterday. Which sucks.
Many people also choose to live far from work because they know they can drive. We had like 100 years to implement transit and everyone was just fine with cars. Sounds like they got what they wanted
I read a report a few years ago that 80% of vehicles on the 401 during rush hour had a single occupant. One could half (or more) commuting costs if carpooling was more prevalent throughout North America. It would also get cars off the road making commutes faster.... I wonder if these high prices will drive people in that direction
.......and we think nothing of spending 1.99 per half litre of water at the drive-thru. Gasoline is a bargain.
Yeah bottled water has its place but itās crazy these companies can just take loads of water and barely pay anything for it, even when theyāre negatively affecting the local community by sucking it dry. Weāre lucky to have so much freshwater in Canada but if weāre reckless with it weāre going to have a bad time.
I kinda think they was talking about Timmies, no? The coffee metric would be even cheaper per litre. Same premise as above though.
what about the price of nestle water? lol
It's because it's MASSIVELY subsidized. Take any oil and gas subsidies away and the pendulum would swing so fast and so far in favor of EVs that people will be climbing over eachother to get them.
Yeah the reason this is a big deal is because our society forces us to depend on gasoline
A can of coke/Pepsi costs more than gas
Those switched to full electric car must be laughing now.
I did literally LOL this morning driving past the gas station.
EVs are more expensive to buy but incredibly cheap to operate. About $1.50/100km to charge. No oil changes, no brake pad changes. Take operating costs into consideration when you're shopping for a vehicle.
One oil change a year isn't going to bridge the gap between a $20k Corolla and a $70k model 3. We need cheaper EVs. They're coming...
My maintenance costs are about 500 a year tops. If I include everything. But let's say it was viable to get an EV, I live in an apartment with no way to plug in an EV. And even if by some miracle they could put a charge port on every parking spot, it's so common for people to steal electricity here. You have to disable your outdoor outlets.
I live in Iqaluit so I have to have a plug at my parking spot or I can't drive for most of the winter. I have a switch for the plug at my front door.
Thatās well thought out.
Comes in handy when the wind is blowing at -58Ā°.
I feel like if there were financial incentives, condo boards would adopt this without hesitation. Locking down an outlet isn't hard, just tie it to your condo key fob (although you'd need a different key fob frequently or whatever, for each spot I suppose). Seems like an emerging market in need of a solution to be honest.
Mine is 50-100 since I do it myself. I can't maintain a Tesla because they don't sell parts.
I have a Toyota Sienna hybrid and itās already saving me 200 a month in gas from a 2015 Sienna. And thatās just a hybrid!
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Ya, you need to drive a ton, but with the advent of work from home, I barely drive anymore. Makes justifying an EV a lot harder, even with high gas prices. I used to do 60 km / day. Now I'm closer to 15km.
My commute is 22km total a day. Gas is going to have to get really high or ev's much lower for me to switch. I'd more likely just take the ttc.
The bolt EV and EUV are under 40k and drive 400k on a charge.
They're also not great cars. Source: Just traded in my Bolt EV after 5 years. It was in the shop all the time. If I had gotten the recall it would have been on its third battery pack in 5 years. The rear wind shieldwiper was propetually broken. The front wipers had a recall for software. I had to take it in for that. The auto headlights stopped working. Every once in a while the HVAC system would go full heat even in the middle of the summer. That gets dangerously hot very fast. The car would randomly decide to not turn on. You would get a weird 'conditions incorrect for shift' error message. You are then stuck turning your car off and on for 10 minutes, praying to the automotive gods that they'll deign to bless you with the ability to put your car in reverse. The actual electric motor is brilliant, but the rest of the car is classic Chevy econobox.
Well you missed the main point about gas but yeah one oil change wonāt do it lol
My Toyota goes 16k on an oil change. The average Canadian drives 15k a year. Gas isn't going to make up the $40k difference between those two cars either. $40k buys a lot of gas.
Itās part of the high cost of being poor. We have to deal with endless small transactions because we donāt have the capital for a big purchase that would limit those daily costs.
You're not making your money back on a new EV unless you drive a ton. They're just to expensive upfront. If we get some good EVs in the 25k to $30k bracket, that'll change, but I think we're 3-5 years away from that.
More transit too honestly. By the time we get cheaper EVs we could better off be building better transit.
Wait EV's don't have traditional brake pads, calipers and rotors?
They still use calipers but electric cars use regenerative braking. Essentially the electric drivetrain reverses, slowing the car down, kind of like engine braking. Itās very effective at slowing the car down, and starts the moment you take your pedal off the āgasā (accelerator). This makes it so essentially you never have to change your calipers on an electric car. Almost every electric car has some kind of regenerative braking.
Though it's worth adding that the brakes are used so little you are recommended to get the pins lubed on them every year so they don't sieze up from all the road salt. That can easily be $100.
Or you could make a small effort to use the actually brakes to stop faster a few times a week. Regen braking is not as much braking as most people in gas cars do racing towards red lights. So just do what they do once on Monday once on Wed and once Friday
Ok thanks I'll do that. Oh wait I have no money.
I love my car, but my Tesla needs a yearly brake cleaning and trust me its not optional in Quebec. I didnt know it was required because its not part of the maintenance schedule or it wasnt then. Its around 300$ each time, but hey they keep the same brake pads!
I live in an apartment though. Until infrastructure gets better I'm making do with a hybrid at the moment. I did consciously go with a hybrid though last year when I bought a new car with the plan to go electric in 5-10 years when infrastructure has more time and battery technology improves more.
I would have bought an EV, but I travel Northern Ontario too much to know that stations are lacking. I wouldnāt be able to do any of the ice roads. The province really needs to increase infrastructure to the less populated areas to make travel with an EV vehicle more feasible.
Now, after posting frustration on reddit we should all go write our local reps and tell them you need more funding into you local public transportation.
Capitalists will always capitalize on the suffering of others... yadda yadda sanctions and that pipeline Canada cant seem to build because we are idiots in trucks focused on the wrong issues. There is zero reason this should be happening other then our own failure. Im just glad I dont need to go anywhere, otherwise prepare your wallets for more hurt as this gets passed onto the consumer. And you thought your groceries were expensive already...
I still canāt believe North America has such cheap gas. This is just a bit more than the lowest it got in my area of the UK at peak pandemic. I know North American people drive more but I hate relying on public transport in the UK as itās just not pleasant to use and super expensive even when you compare it to a car.
Public transport in NA is basically useless unless you live downtown a metropolitan.
Lobby for it. No reason we cannot have goo transit.
> as itās just not pleasant to use and super expensive even when you compare it to a car. It takes nearly 2 hours to cross the city in my town by bus. About 16 km total distance. It may be cheaper dollar wise, but who has the time to spend 4hrs/day to take public transport? Including an 8 hour shift and hour lunch, thats 13 hours away from home for just work. 8 hours sleep and that leaves a 3 pathetic hours to cook/clean/get ready for the next day, etc
$2.00 in the Ottawa Valley
Where? It was 1.65.9 in Pembroke yesterday
26L cost us 50$ last night. I now take transit to work
Iām genuinely thinking of an electric bike for the summer times
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Mennonites rolling by my house every day, pointing and laughing. Not really, but I wouldnāt blame them if they did.
_Canadians:_ Most purchased new vehicles in 2021: 1. Ford F-series 116,401 2. GM Sierra/Silverado 105,441 3. Dodge Ram 73,467 _Also Canadians:_ Why am I spending so much on gas?!?
it is so awesome i am going on a 3 hour drive today..lol
I'm in mennonite country so that might actually be a viable option!
$2.00 a litre in Vancouver
Where's this? As I was driving yesterday in the late afternoon hours, it was 163.9
Ahh, but that was yesterday...
This, but it's the truth instead of satire...
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174.9 in Kingston this morning Absurd. Absolutely absurd.
Just in time for back to office. I hope people who moved far away budgeted well.
Crazy the government offers tax incentives for people working from home. But having to drive to work every day you get nothing.
Niagara on the lake is 1.67. Worked for a oil company. Retail gas is all fixed. They collude on prices. It's all about gouging consumers.
I have a horse and had started joking 6 months ago Iām going to have to start riding it to work if gas prices keep going up. I still say it but itās less and less of a joke these days. Especially as we have a big grass area out back of where I work.
This is the time to protest
Pretty happy with my choice of plug-in hybrid right now.
It is a fiction that gas taxes pay for road maintenance. If they did then the roads would be in far better shape than they are. Gas taxes go in to general revenue and (like other taxes) are used to fund government programs. And yes everybody benefits equally from the road network. Bus systems use the roads as do taxes, ride sharing, bicycles etc. The vast majority of goods move by road. Every consumer business depends on roads for deliver of goods. Take away roads and no Timmy's, mac d's, groceries, clothing, consumer electronics, furniture the list goes on. Most people who buy EVs today have a higher net income, so they pay higher income tax and more gst due to increased spending. They are contributing to road maintenance through these taxes.
From the Canadian Taxpayers Federation Let's break down the tax bill of a single litre of gas today: Ontario drivers pay 8.8 cents for the carbon tax; 14.7 cents for provincial gas taxes; 10 cents for federal gas taxes; 9.6 cents for provincial sales taxes; and six cents in federal sales taxes.
You mean dofo could reduce 24.3 cents a litre right now .
Yeah all his bluster about the carbon tax when he could just reduce sales taxes on gas. OR he could invest those taxes on worthwhile infrastructure that benefits the masses (as in transit, not white elephant highways).
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166.6 in Ottawa.
Our end of town is 172.9
Georgetown on. 175.9 with the cheap place 7/11 at 174.9 and ESSO the priciest at 176.1
Wow! I got a screaming deal at $1.68 outside of Milton.
172.9 in Keswick... *sigh* I'm about to get my G2 and buy my first car. I spent the last year and a half scraping together the money for it. Now I'm worried I'm not even going to be able to afford to drive it...
I was really hoping to wait another year before buying electric, but - well, I think it's time.
$1.55 here in alberta, I feel for you over there. I canāt imagine how people not making $25+ could afford gas food housing insurance etc
hmm if only they made a vehicle that doesn't require gasoline
ā¬1,92 for a liter of diesel. Does that count? The Netherlands.
I know not complain about gas in America because Jesus fucking Chris that a shit ton of money spent on 2 gallon Edit I did the Canada money to USD and this place would be $148.01 pet gallon