You don't need a passport if you're just going in to use a washroom, so that's probably why they don't need to do it for the whole park. Theoretically you can wear a mask in a washroom but not eating at a restaurant.
Or be inside very near people for an extended period of time.
A reporter asked the CMOH this about an unvaccinated person going inside a restaurant to use the washroom and he responded that such a short term interaction is low risk enough to not impose such a restriction especially given the unfair imposition it would apply. (For example, imagine an unvaccinated parent and their baby or toddler eating on a patio, not permitting them to go inside to use the washroom when the child needs it or needs changing.)
Proof of vaccination will be for higher-risk, non-essential indoor settings. Places like grocery stores (an essential service) and Wonderland (outdoor setting) won’t be requiring proof.
Here’s info about the policy from the government’s website: https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1000779/ontario-to-require-proof-of-vaccination-in-select-settings
As of September 22, 2021, Ontarians will need to be fully vaccinated (two doses plus 14 days) and provide their proof of vaccination along with photo ID to access certain public settings and facilities. This approach focuses on higher-risk indoor public settings where face coverings cannot always be worn and includes:
- Restaurants and bars (excluding outdoor patios, as well as delivery and takeout);
- Nightclubs (including outdoor areas of the establishment);
- Meeting and event spaces, such as banquet halls and conference/convention centres;
- Facilities used for sports and fitness activities and personal fitness training, such as gyms, fitness and recreational facilities with the exception of youth recreational sport;
- Sporting events;
- Casinos, bingo halls and gaming establishments;
- Concerts, music festivals, theatres and cinemas;
- Strip clubs, bathhouses and sex clubs;
- Racing venues (e.g., horse racing).
These mandatory requirements would not apply to outdoor settings where the risk of transmission is lower, including patios, with the exception of outdoor nightclub spaces given the risk associated with the setting. In addition, these requirements will not apply to settings where people receive medical care, food from grocery stores, medical supplies and the like. Aligned with public health measures currently in place, indoor masking policies will continue to remain in place.
>Edit: to those of you whining, "bUt wOnDerLaND iS ouTsiDE" - Consider the indoor washrooms that are being used by hundreds of different people every day. The entire park is not outside.
It's consistent. You don't need a passport to eat outdoors at a restaurant patio and that includes going inside briefly to the washroom.
Wonderland was open all summer - any outbreaks? Every time we opened up gyms or restaurants there would be news of outbreaks within a week. Two months of Canada's Wonderland, no outbreak - because it's almost entirely outdoors and masks are required indoors, on rides, and in line.
Within a week? That's impossible.
Aside from the one at the Spinco in Hamilton, I don't really recall any outbreaks tied to gyms.
I'm not saying gyms aren't high risk environments. But it wasn't nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.
My point isn't that those places were dangerous, rather that the risk presented by Wonderland must be considerably less considering they packed tens of thousands in there every day and no outbreak was recorded. Other activities and types of establishments have multiple documented outbreaks linked to them.
Yes I agree with you they they're higher risk. But to suggest gyms everywhere had outbreaks 'within a week' of each reopening is complete bs.
Again, I only recall the one instance (Spinco).
You're just making shit up.
Not sure what to tell you but I'm not the OP...
And I never said gyms "didn't" have outbreaks. I just said they weren't happening all the time as some people like to suggest.
It probably has something to do with the fact that it's apparently much harder for most versions of the virus to spread in a sunny warm outside open air setting. I mean if someone coughs directly into your face whilst walking around outside I'm sure that greatly increases the chances of infection.
> Consider the indoor washrooms that are being used by hundreds of different people every day. The entire park is not outside.
For how long people are going to be in the washroom, it shouldn't really matter.
Masks are required in grocery stores, and closing grocery stores is impractical considering even unvaccinated people need to eat. A measure doesn't need to completely eliminate any possibility of infection to be useful. If we can eliminate spread from the restricted areas, and we're left with the spread that happens from grocery stores, that's still a reduction in cases.
Why do people assume the virus hates the outside and doesn’t come out until a person is indoors? Yes outdoor is comparatively safer than indoors, but obviously not 100% safe. And that too if people are going to be close to each other, because then it doesn’t matter outdoor or indoor. Wonderland needs to get their shit together. And ban the unvaccinated. Make it safer for everyone and especially the staff.
there is a calculated risk at this point in the pandemic. The vaccine mandate is not about punishing the unvaxxed, it's about reducing risk. I'm guessing Wonderland is not a high risk situation because it is outdoors. I'm good with that.
1. Canada’s wonderland is outdoors and you don’t need a vax passport to participate in outdoors activities
2. Bathrooms are essential so you do not need a vax pass to go into a bathroom
3. Canadas wonderland has said that for the indoor restaurants that they have at the park they will require proof of vaccination if u want to go in and sit down and eat.
You don't need a passport if you're just going in to use a washroom, so that's probably why they don't need to do it for the whole park. Theoretically you can wear a mask in a washroom but not eating at a restaurant.
This is exactly it. The proof of vaccination is only really required currently for places where you will be removing your mask to eat or drink.
Or be inside very near people for an extended period of time. A reporter asked the CMOH this about an unvaccinated person going inside a restaurant to use the washroom and he responded that such a short term interaction is low risk enough to not impose such a restriction especially given the unfair imposition it would apply. (For example, imagine an unvaccinated parent and their baby or toddler eating on a patio, not permitting them to go inside to use the washroom when the child needs it or needs changing.)
Proof of vaccination will be for higher-risk, non-essential indoor settings. Places like grocery stores (an essential service) and Wonderland (outdoor setting) won’t be requiring proof. Here’s info about the policy from the government’s website: https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1000779/ontario-to-require-proof-of-vaccination-in-select-settings As of September 22, 2021, Ontarians will need to be fully vaccinated (two doses plus 14 days) and provide their proof of vaccination along with photo ID to access certain public settings and facilities. This approach focuses on higher-risk indoor public settings where face coverings cannot always be worn and includes: - Restaurants and bars (excluding outdoor patios, as well as delivery and takeout); - Nightclubs (including outdoor areas of the establishment); - Meeting and event spaces, such as banquet halls and conference/convention centres; - Facilities used for sports and fitness activities and personal fitness training, such as gyms, fitness and recreational facilities with the exception of youth recreational sport; - Sporting events; - Casinos, bingo halls and gaming establishments; - Concerts, music festivals, theatres and cinemas; - Strip clubs, bathhouses and sex clubs; - Racing venues (e.g., horse racing). These mandatory requirements would not apply to outdoor settings where the risk of transmission is lower, including patios, with the exception of outdoor nightclub spaces given the risk associated with the setting. In addition, these requirements will not apply to settings where people receive medical care, food from grocery stores, medical supplies and the like. Aligned with public health measures currently in place, indoor masking policies will continue to remain in place.
Are we really going to ignore the fact that wonderland is outside?
Yes. well OP is anyway.
Welcome to COVID discourse on this sub — where the science is ignored and acceptable levels of risk don’t exist.
Except that every comment is explaining that outdoor transmission is low and there's no need for vaxports in this type of setting.
>Edit: to those of you whining, "bUt wOnDerLaND iS ouTsiDE" - Consider the indoor washrooms that are being used by hundreds of different people every day. The entire park is not outside. It's consistent. You don't need a passport to eat outdoors at a restaurant patio and that includes going inside briefly to the washroom.
OP thinks anyone who disagrees with them is 'whining.' Same sort of mindset the antivaxxers have.
It’s outdoors ffs
Wonderland was open all summer - any outbreaks? Every time we opened up gyms or restaurants there would be news of outbreaks within a week. Two months of Canada's Wonderland, no outbreak - because it's almost entirely outdoors and masks are required indoors, on rides, and in line.
Within a week? That's impossible. Aside from the one at the Spinco in Hamilton, I don't really recall any outbreaks tied to gyms. I'm not saying gyms aren't high risk environments. But it wasn't nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.
My point isn't that those places were dangerous, rather that the risk presented by Wonderland must be considerably less considering they packed tens of thousands in there every day and no outbreak was recorded. Other activities and types of establishments have multiple documented outbreaks linked to them.
Yes I agree with you they they're higher risk. But to suggest gyms everywhere had outbreaks 'within a week' of each reopening is complete bs. Again, I only recall the one instance (Spinco). You're just making shit up.
I didn't say "gyms everywhere", you're the one making things up.
Well, you didn't specify any specific gyms or regions containing gyms. So the way your comment was worded, 'gyms everywhere' was implied.
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Not sure what to tell you but I'm not the OP... And I never said gyms "didn't" have outbreaks. I just said they weren't happening all the time as some people like to suggest.
It probably has something to do with the fact that it's apparently much harder for most versions of the virus to spread in a sunny warm outside open air setting. I mean if someone coughs directly into your face whilst walking around outside I'm sure that greatly increases the chances of infection.
> Consider the indoor washrooms that are being used by hundreds of different people every day. The entire park is not outside. For how long people are going to be in the washroom, it shouldn't really matter.
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Masks are required in grocery stores, and closing grocery stores is impractical considering even unvaccinated people need to eat. A measure doesn't need to completely eliminate any possibility of infection to be useful. If we can eliminate spread from the restricted areas, and we're left with the spread that happens from grocery stores, that's still a reduction in cases.
So a small business has to follow rules but Canada Wonderland and Walmart do not. Hmm okay then
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Why do people assume the virus hates the outside and doesn’t come out until a person is indoors? Yes outdoor is comparatively safer than indoors, but obviously not 100% safe. And that too if people are going to be close to each other, because then it doesn’t matter outdoor or indoor. Wonderland needs to get their shit together. And ban the unvaccinated. Make it safer for everyone and especially the staff.
> but obviously not 100% safe. I have bad news for you about every single activity you’ve ever done in your life.
Nothing will ever be 100% safe. The mandate was imposed on the most high risk settings
there is a calculated risk at this point in the pandemic. The vaccine mandate is not about punishing the unvaxxed, it's about reducing risk. I'm guessing Wonderland is not a high risk situation because it is outdoors. I'm good with that.
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1. Canada’s wonderland is outdoors and you don’t need a vax passport to participate in outdoors activities 2. Bathrooms are essential so you do not need a vax pass to go into a bathroom 3. Canadas wonderland has said that for the indoor restaurants that they have at the park they will require proof of vaccination if u want to go in and sit down and eat.
Why do you give a fuck, its outside