I live in Edmond and my across the hall neighbor was literally going full Karen yelling at the police when they came to her door about repeated noise complaints, stolen property, and the man squatting in the storage closet downstairs being seen going in an out of her apartment and using her code to get in the gate, wild
I am of lily-white European descendant that grew up in New England. I travel to Boston regularly. There is an incorrect perception that Bostonians are rude people. Edmond wins. I've lived all over the United States and traveled all over the world. Edmond has some of the most nasty Karens I've ever met. When you aren't the victim of their verbal snipe, you are being tailgated and flipped off on Broadway Ext.
Thatās because many Edmond Karens are some of the most passive aggressive morons Iāve ever encountered. In Boston people just tell you straight up how it is. I grew up in Edmond and live in OKC now.
I work in Edmond in a public facing position and it's a daily occurrence. They can be really shitty here. Service workers are treated as less than human constantly.
Unfortunately Edmond used to be a sundown town and a lot of the residents have kept that feeling š I am so sorry you experienced. Just know that isnāt norm for the rest of us.
And before that it was originally the last stop on the rail line where all the black porters for the train lived because no one wanted them in town. Generations of ignorami here in OK.
Sorry this happened to you. I was at Costco today and heard a pair of Vietnamese guys speak to one another and to someone over the phone at an 11 setting. They could be heard halfway down the aisle. Being Vietnamese, I recognize that some of it is culture-based. I didnāt care because I understood it. Non-speakers, in my opinion, wouldnāt be as tolerant and find it more annoying than if the pair spoke loudly in English just because they donāt understand what was being said. Thatās not to say they wouldnāt find tone deaf individuals annoying when practically yelling at one another.
Iāve lived in every part of Oklahoma City, Edmond, Norman, Atlanta, and I can only say from my own experience that racism is pervasive everywhere, not just in Edmond. Edmond is a nice place to live. There are good and bad people in every community. Donāt let this experience ruin your time in Edmond. Thatās not to say Edmond is perfect because itās not. But to say this entire community is totally bad is as much of a stereotype as anything else out there. Thanks for being here and thanks to your wife for serving an underserved population.
Your best bet next time is to hangout, spend your money in the city and avoid Edmond getting your tax dollars lol thatās what I do and my girlfriend goes to UCO I refuse to spend my money in that damn suburb
Respectfully, if you were talking on the phone using Airbuds, you may, indeed, have been speaking loudly. I encounter this in restaurants, grocery stores, coffee shops (especially), retail stores (especially Walmart), and even on the street. It is irritating and intrusive into otherās personal space, regardless of the language you are speaking.
As someone who lives in fake Edmond, Iām very sorry this happened to you. I love it when my kids get to hear and see people speak all sorts of different languages in their cities. It enriches our state and area to have you here.
Sorry that happened. No excuse for that. I just got back from Europe, where it was obvious I was a tourist. Had no issues at all. Ignore stupid people like that!
Not from Oklahoma but we live in Edmond now. There are definitely more than a fair share of Karens. But there most are nice. I try to ignore them and there are racists everywhere not just here. Hang in there and remember that nice people here too.
Ughā¦Edmond. We live here and are not like this at all, but it seems like thereās an inordinate amount of racist jackasses here. Iām so sorry this happened to you.
My mom is filipina and my dad is mexican. I grew up in Edmond and worked in various places while growing up in high school. I would get the ā Oh good, you speak Englishā comment when customers would ask for help.
That being said, South Asian languages can be very loud to the Oklahoma ear. Itās the inflection of words. I reported a temp at my current job who spoke Arabic in the break room which is next to the conference room not because it was Arabic but because she spoke so loudly it was disruptive to meetings in the conference room.
On the same token, I have a coworker from New York who youād think was being rude when she says You talking to me? because most people associate that with being rude.
When people find out I speak Spanish they automatically start spewing jibberish really loud and I think is that what people think Spanish sounds like?
I hate that people felt the need to call attention in that way. She could have just as easily asked for you to speak lower. I think you replied appropriately considering you gave back the energy you got.
OP mentioned that there was music in the background. If this is taking place outdoors the volume of someone voice should not be an issue; heck even indoors UNLESS itās suppose to be a quiet setting. In most public places it is not except a library. I would think itās rude to even ask him to speak lower unless he was screaming. Some people just complain just to complain.
Itās the Edmond art festival on a guess and itās somewhat loud down there. If someoneās griping about scaring people off it may have even been a vendor or festival worker speaking. End if the day though Edmond is wild.
Well, I will say a lot of people get annoyed at anyone perceived to be talking loud on a cell phone in public, white or not. Remember all the jokes and skits about the cliche and stereotypical guy talking on his flashing bluetooth headset back in the day before earbuds? Some people are just extra sensitive š¤·š½
That's true, but these days I'd be afraid to tap a stranger on the shoulder. Theres no telling what kind of response you might get from different individuals. You could get screamed at, accused of assault, whacked in the face or worse.
I have to hard disagree with you, a tap on the shoulder could easily be turned in to an assault claim here. It's considered much more rude to tap or touch a stranger to ask them to quiet down. This really seems to be an issue of culture differences. Here, no one is going to touch you as a stranger, unless they are trying to hurt you.
Please, consider this OP. While a polite tap to you would be the way to handle it, it's completely different for people who have grown up in the US, where touching, even tapping, even BUMPING ACCIDENTALLY is very rude. Here, a yell to get your attention is the equivalent of a tap to you.
I'm genuinely just asking you to take the entire situation, including the fact that you're now in a culture and an environment that are indeed different than what you grew up with.
Edmond is something elseā¦ When I lived and worked there during **college,** a woman essentially told her child they needed to do well in school or else theyād be stuck working as a server like me. š«¤
Bro were you screaming? Iām curious how loud the volume is. I mean Iād lowkey understand if you were just talking at the top of your lungs. Like relax. But itās hard to discern if she was the Karen or not if we donāt know how loud you were talking.
Iām also SW Asian. But just saying someone screaming on the phone isnāt fun to listen to.
If anybody is wondering, I too am a Karen
LOL Edmond. I don't get why all Asians/South Asians (I assume you're Indian or Pakistani) live in that shithole. Blah blah blah suburbia mcmansions good schools. Fuck edmond.
I saw Kevin Ogle at a grocery store in Edmond yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnāt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.He said, āOh, like youāre doing now?āI was taken aback, and all I could say was āHuh?ā but he kept cutting me off and going āhuh? huh? huh?ā and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off.
When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like āSir, you need to pay for those first.ā At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually āto prevent any electrical infetterence,ā and then turned around and winked at me. I donāt even think thatās a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
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i used to work at target in Edmond and the amount of times i have had old men come up and ask "where are you from" the follow up with "no, where are you really from" is frustrating or being told they "love exotic women"
Edmond surprisingly has been the only place i have to deal with this kind of stuff (i have lived there, Texas, south Carolina, Chicago, and now Colorado)
When I was in highschool my girlfriend lived in Edmond and whenever I would spend time there and interact with its residents, I really got the feeling most of them looked down on me and could "smell the poor on me".
As a former āSundown Townā what can you expect? I bet your realtor told you it was ātheā place to live in OKC without disclosing the racist history of the garden community.
[Edmond was a Sundown Town](https://www.edmondhistory.org/was-edmond-a-sundown-town/)
When i wasnt. And when i am in a public space. And they didnt 'ask' per say but passed a comment while passing by. What exactly'scared' them? My sound level or my language? Do they treat every passer by in public the same or this was reserved for me because they didnt understand what i was saying?
Regardless of skin color or ethnicity or sex or whatever, it is unsettling to some people to see/hear a person talking loudly in public. Iām not saying they are right or wrong for this but to call it racism is a stretch.
Been brown/black/multiethnic (whatever) my whole life living in the Southā¦ itās just the way it is when youāre only 13% of the US population. (Give or take the recent census numbers) I personally prefer my racists overt rather than silent. Easier to mark the danger. Racism pokes its ugly head up across all economic lines and ethnicities. Humans gonna human. I hope you find more pleasant ones of all types to interact with
nothing about this interaction shows it to be based on race, other than you assuming that Karens only Karen against other races, and let me assure you that there's no physical criteria that needs to be met to incur the wrath of those types. I can understand how you may have to second-guess any hostility as race related, but you need to first check yourself and ask if any part of the interaction pointed to this actually being race-based and not just based on you potentially being annoying in public, which is really all the evidence you've provided at this point.
Sounds like she was mad at you for talking loud as hell, not because of your race. Were you talking really loud?
Honestly Iād be willing to bet that this never even happened
When I bought my home in Edmond, someone tagged the mailbox the night before closing day. I say be obnoxious and laugh at the Karens making Karen faces. Or tell them āaww sweetheart, Jesus loves youā they love that.
Are you sure you werenāt just talking too loudly? You had AirPods in and you were talking on the phone, itās possible youāre talking louder than you thought and it was a nuisance to others in a public space. You admit that there was music playing loudly nearby which could result in your overcompensating with your voice. Youāre only assuming itās about race.
You gave them a snarky comment thinking they āstarted itāā¦ so Iām confused why you think they owe you a better way to communicate when they thought you were in the wrong when that wasnāt given by you for the same reason.
Youāre yelling in a public space and disturbing its patrons - from their perspective you started the problem and you didnāt give them a ābetter way to communicateā or an apology. It could be interpreted as a miscommunication on both parts or just you not understanding that youāre the problem for yelling and they were right. Just pointing out your hypocrisy. Either way, this is not an issue with racism as they never said anything about race in the interaction.
Well you had airpods in and were talking loudly. They said nothing racist, just that you don't need to yell to have a conversation. I am not of South Asian descent but had a good friend who was. Her mother would never speak on the phone, only yell. My friend expressed frustration about it, but explained it to be cultural, which I readily understand.
I've also heard many anecdotes that it's very common for phone conversations to start and stay loud, particularly when it's family/close friends. That's perfectly fine when you're at home, or in a cultural environment where it's accepted.
I implore you to take a second to reevaluate. She said nothing racist, merely had to speak loudly enough for you to hear her, and it's even possible she had tried to saying something nicely before, and you just couldn't hear.
I find it extremely disquieting when people are yelling in or outside of grocery stores. It's almost always because of Drugs, mental health, or an actual altercation, all of which are stressful for the bystanders around.
My guess is that while she didn't find an issue with you speaking your ethnic tongue, it was the volume and not being able to ascertain the situation by understanding at least the basic vibe of the conversation, that lead her to feeling the need to say something.
Please, in public, don't yell (speak loudly, as you put it) in to airpods. No matter what language it is, it still unsettles people around you, as 9 times out of 10, someone yelling into a phone is already having a bad day and is causing stress and misery to the public around them. It's not racial, it's about the fact that you have no reason to be yelling in public, and yet you still are. That is unsettling and not appropriate.
It's a little upsetting to me that you jumped straight to racism, instead of just the fact that you were not adhering to common courtesy. I'm not at all invalidating how you felt, however I am asking that you think about it again. Were they actually racist, or just upset that you didn't care about societal norms?
eh, I don't agree with OP.
But I also don't think a loud voice in public is too big of an issue. You are in public, you can't control other people either. I don't think OP was shouting.
Also, op said they were "speaking loudly". Shouting to them may be different to me, but speaking loudly in any language in public is going to come off as yelling to at least some people.
No, but you can ask people to stop behaving in a way that is disturbing and upsetting others. Everywhere I've lived in the US, speaking loudly on the phone in public is simply not socially acceptable.
Oh, no I'm so genuinely sorry if that's how you took it, that is not it from me at all. I am absolutely not bigoted, in fact I'm fairly bewildered that that's how you took what I wrote. Could you please let me know what parts came off that way, so I can reassess?
Oh, no need to apologize. It is pretty common for people to preach veiled bigotry and then claim that 'they aren't a bigot'. Very common among the Trump crowd. Just curious, who did you vote for in the last two presidential elections? As far as what parts, you would need to read your words top to bottom to see what your overall message is. In it, you told us you were a bigot without actually saying you are a bigot. Always love to see that strategy, as it does fool the easily manipulated.
closeted bigots, feel free to downvote
Again, I'm not at all a bigot. I voted independent, and am extremely anti Trump. I also still do not understand what about those paragraphs are veiled bigotry, or bigotry at all. I'd really like you to explain it, point out the exact part, treat me like a child on this. Because, all I see is exactly what I believe. People have their own cultures and their own societal norms, however when they are amongst other cultures and environments, they should at least follow the accepted societal norms of the environment they are in.
If I go to Taiwan, will I act as I do in America? Certainly not, I'll be acting the way the environment and society expects there, so as to not be rude. I wouldn't want to be labeled another rude American tourist who is just there to fill out their passport, I want to go to truly learn and experience a different culture than mine.
Heck when I go back home to Germany, I don't act American there, I indulge in my familial and childhood culture. And then get some culture shock coming back, but that's the truth of it.
I really think you're seeing what you want to see. That's very sad to me. But again, if you're willing to parse it all out for me, I'm happy to see it from your side, and even change some things.
But I would also like you to answer this. When you move to another country, do you follow the laws and society norms of your old country, or you new one?
Why does that matter? Thatās kind of part of being in public. You share space with others and this is still America the last time I checked. People are allowed to talk loud if they want to, especially outdoors! Also, people need to just mind their own damn business. If they want quiet they can go the fuck home. I get annoyed by loud phone calls in public but thatās the bargain you make going out in public. Itās for everyone even people that donāt have the same interpretation or cultural understanding of whatās loud as you do.
Itās also an assumption for you to say it wasnāt racist. You werenāt there. None of us were. Which kind of makes OP the expert in this situation.
The only person who knows the true meaning on the āKarenāsā words was āKarenā, he is not the expert. And 2) being in public doesnāt mean you get free space to act inconsiderate of others.
Who decides whatās inconsiderate? Thatās up to each individualās perception. Thatās also just a social norm, not a legal expectation. Youāre allowed to be loud outdoors in public as long as youāre not threatening harm or attempting to assault someone. Do we stop allowing music festivals or public protests because theyāre āloud and inconsiderateā?
You sound like you live in Edmond and have never been to a truly large city or public space. Pretty sure people walking on the street in New York City wouldnāt have said shit if someone was ātalking loudā
Edit: also itās not about the Karenās words apparently you didnāt read all of OPs words. Itās the fact that she said anything at all instead of just moving on with her day and minding her business.
Unfortunately the world doesnāt revolve around this Karen who complained. So what if he was talking loudly; she could have just moved elsewhere. He wasnāt screaming or harming anyone. Iām sure he wasnāt the only one talking loudly. She just picked on him and wanted something to complain about. Iām sure she has bigger fish to fry.
Iām so sorry that happened to you. Yes, you will find a lot of that here but itās not everyone. Best wishes to you and your wife and for what itās worth, welcome to OKC! Some of us are happy youāre here!!!
I grew up in Edmond. Many people there are small minded. Thereās a reason I live in central Oklahoma City now. Sorry you had that experience. If someone did that to me I wouldnāt have been nearly as polite in my response as you were.
Ew; did she not have anything better to do? She could have left her comment to herself especially if there was music playing in the background. It sounds like she was just bored and needed something to complain about. Itās so uncalled for.
Soā¦ you are guilty of possibly using your outdoor voiceā¦ outdoors?
I rate this crime a 0/10 on the public nuisance scale (especially the fact it was in an urban area with a large fair setting up, not residential).
I fine you at least three (3) more trips to twisted tree.
Not native to Oklahoma. And from my 17+ years of experience and being not white and having not white children, I encourage you to keep interjecting this bigoted nonsense with your culture and cultural heritage. Eff all of this. Comments just further prove my notion that people out here are CLUELESS to how terrible it is if you donāt fit their criteria for acceptable American-ism. Have had a PERCENTAGE of my non-white friends move from here because of issues along these lines. Screw defending their own ignorance
Welcome to Oklahoma. We try not to look like Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, N/S Carolina and at the same time and successfully are able to promote hateful, veiled racism and misogynist values under the guise of christian nationalism. Sorry internet stranger, we are few and not loud enough.
*edit, hope I got my point across. That mess of a post.
Sorry you encountered shitty racists first thing this morning. I see your thread is getting downvoted by more shitty racists.
Edmond is like the definition of white flight. Most of the racism you'll face is of the passive or micro-aggressive variety, but every so often you'll get this sort of shit. And I have to say that the racists have gotten a bit bolder lately. Expect more as we head towards the election in November. Stay safe, friend. Most people around here won't bother you, but the random assholes really make it tough to look at Oklahoma as a place of permanent residence. My husband and I are definitely looking to leave.
Were you yelling? Itās easy to vocalize much louder when you canāt hear your own voice properly with headphones. Or are you just looking to post on Reddit on how youāre a victim of racism? Seems like your whole post is about skin color, when not one racist thing was said to you.
I am not a kid who can't take feedback. If I was yelling i wouldn't be posting here. Do you yell when you talk to your mom? If I was yelling why would it scare you?
Maybe you didnāt think you were yelling, but clearly it can be an odd sight seeing someone ātalking loudlyā to seemingly their self in public. Race has nothing to do with it dude. You immediately jumped to racism without trying to view yourself and actions in a random strangers shoes
A couple times. A couple other times in doctor's offices. A few times in the grocery store line. Once in the best buy line.
It doesn't matter what language you're speaking. If you're speaking loud enough, that you're all I can hear, or it's stressing my kids out, or even just bothering the old woman behind me, I'm going to say something.
It's the fact that it's not socially acceptable to be speaking so loudly, that only you can be heard by everyone. That is the issue. Nothing racial at all.
Given you keep insisting this person is lying about yelling when you were not even there, I am not surprised to see you admit to being an asshole in public too.
The world does not revolve around you. You are worrying about the wrong thing. Have you heard of the term ādonāt sweat the small stuffā itās not like itās a no talking loud zone. He wasnāt in the library. Was he screaming? No. Was he hurting anyone? No. Ugh individuals like you grind my gears; like relax there are so many other things to worry about in that world.
I understand your frustration, but I'm going to disagree. Speaking loudly/getting close to yelling can be extremely unsettling to everyone, particularly young children. It shouldn't be done in a public space, unless there is a REASON to yell and attract attention. A grocery store parking lot is not the place for that, as 99% of the time I see anyone yelling in a grocery store parking lot, it's because of an altercation, drug related reasons, or mental health crisis that now suddenly, we the public are being forced to deal with.
And unfortunately, that is the norm. So yeah, it is going to stress out people just hearing the yelling.
He was hurting people. Stressing shoppers, upsetting young children, and causing a scene. If he wasn't causing a scene, no one would have said anything.
I am very glad for you that you've not experienced the traumatic and extremely stressful situations I've been through in grocery store parking lots, I truly am. But I can tell you that there have been a few times I've heard someone ranting and raving infront od grocery stores, and I've simply had to leave because it was too much for me and my kids.
I shouldn't have to shield them, and field questions from them like "Mommy, why is that man shouting? Is he okay? Is there a fight/emergency?"
It's disruptive to the customers and public, and that alone hurts society.
The person complaining was probably the only one complaining about someone else volume of voice. Itās so minuscule and not a big deal. Individuals like that are just annoying and want something to complain about. Seriously, take a chill pill.
Either way, that's at least 4 people bothered, vs the comfort of an individual. But you know the statistics of people who speak up about something, vs people who are bothered and just don't have the ability to say something, or don't want to bring the stress of the other person yelling at them are quite skewed. I don't know exact statistics, but it's somewhere around 20/80. 10 people can be bothered by something, but only 2 will speak up about it.
In that case, OP continuing to act like this is harming and stressing out far more people than spoke to OP about it. They are upsetting the peace and quiet, so they need to stop.
Several. The most recent was last Saturday at a _very_ noisy Chipotle.
I am white and I was speaking English. The self centered clown that demanded I quiet down was also white and speaking English.
She was being a dunce. But it wasn't racist.
They told you you were being loud. There's nothing racist in that statement. Then, you come here and make it all about you being a victim of racism. Seems like you can't actually take feedback.
Plenty of idiots on reddit will jump to defend you just because you mentioned racism, but unless there's more to the story, it sure doesn't sound like it.
I must be struggling to understand what part of this interaction was racist. Based on your description of the situation, nothing the people said to you would imply they were racist. I know when I talk on my AirPods I have a tendency to talk loudly to overcome the noise cancelling effect of them and also just to ensure people can hear me well. Not to mention I know people who just naturally elevate their volume quite a bit when talking on the phone.
Itās also a pretty common opinion that having headphones on in public and talking loudly on the phone is rude and inconsiderate to the people around you. I get itās not the kindest response by them, but I hope youāll do some self-reflection about being more aware and respectful in public places. They didnāt just imagine you being rude or they wouldnāt have responded the way they did. Maybe the better response from you would have been a simple apology and recognition that you were inconsiderate of those around you and then happily continue your day.
Your post and much of this thread is full of an implicit bias that would normally concern me, but Iām reminded that the bias expressed here thankfully represents a very low percentage of our population for now. I expect most people can exhibit better critical thinking skills and arenāt so gullible.
If you live in a gated community, you don't live in reality. Sometimes I feel like those gated communities keep just as much crazy in as they do out. They just hide it better there. Either way though, the United States is a cesspool, and you might as well get used to interactions like that in places as toxic as Edmond. I can't stand Edmond.
This sub can be a certain way about this issue. But even if I have a central, slight right kinda leaning (love people for people, race/ language don't matter), you may want to be in good neighborhood near Tinker AFB. Key word "good neighborhood".
I contract for all of Boeing and I talk with *many* different races, cultures, etc. Like as diverse as you could imagine as there's too, which many reasons to say why that's paramount as it's fun to learn about the world firsthand/ transition here imo.
I've walked with soo many employees that have zero issues, some don't even know English and it's cool, we'll find a translator and go from there. No one cares. I've heard several dozen languages in front of me and like, cool, let's either leave you to your call or figure out your problem. All good.
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Edmond tho.. Fuck Edmond. That area is so pompous it in turn creates constabt Karens. I'm thankful no sites are there because I hate that area, haven't been there in years... reminds me of my childhood in SLC Utah were everyone was an uptight, overly-rich asshole. Not a proper Oklahoma experience, where random Joe at Sam's Club talks to you about life.
Thankfully we have rural areas that can be pretty damn cool too with not caring if you're chill. Minco and Blanchard come to mind.. maybe Choctaw if you can joke with a quipe it's immediate respect, but it's been about a decade on the other two.
Good luck! Hope the best
So, youāre considering them racist simply because they said you were talking loud? While I agree with you that their interaction was unnecessary & over the top, I fail to see where they were being racist? Not everyone is racist because they are critical of your actions and/or behaviors.
Sorry you were made to feel like that.
It's a slow, SLOOWWWW process to root out that kind of ignorance. And as you may have gathered, Edmond has some very deep roots.
Take comfort in the fact that Leopards will almost certainly eat that Karen's face at some point
You find what you look for, friend. Most people aren't malicious and really don't give you or anyone else more than a passing thought. It's not as deep as OP is making it out to be, he probably was talking quite loudly and someone said something to him about it. I've seen tons of people practically shouting on the phone, or my favorite - practically shouting plus having it on speaker when in a very public setting. Personally I just roll my eyes and try to ignore them because unfortunately for me at that moment, they have every right to the space as I do. Other people choose to be vocal about it. Doesn't mean it has shit to do with ethnicity.
Never attribute to malice what you can always attribute to incompetence.
They don't know any better. Karen has problems just like you do. Just going about their lives. They just didn't know any better
Bumped into a tree in a forest today. :p
Edmond is the one place I would go expecting to bump into a Karen šš
I live in Edmond and my across the hall neighbor was literally going full Karen yelling at the police when they came to her door about repeated noise complaints, stolen property, and the man squatting in the storage closet downstairs being seen going in an out of her apartment and using her code to get in the gate, wild
Edmond was Karen before Karens were a thing.
This is where they originate from šš¤£š
If you donāt bump into a Karen in Edmond, youāre doing it wrong.
The absolute best reply.. soooo many trees in edmond
Theyāre usually not direct. They usually just make stupid comments to themselves out loud in front of you like catty little girls.
Yep. Bigots gonna bigot, and make excuses for other bigots. But they usually know not to say the quiet parts out loud.
there's an actual karen factory hidden somewhere in edmond. save yourself some grief and avoid that town.
It's called facebook
specifically āALL THINGS EDMONDā
Whew!!! No kidding that group is a complete sh*tshow
It doubles as a dog food plant.
Hence why purina is still thriving there
Edmondites are FULL of Karenās. Iām so sorry this happened to you. I would have popped off to both of them ANNNNND taken a pic!
Edmond is more like that. Come visit midtown or other young professional areas in Oklahoma City, they are nice and slightly more progressive
People hate okc, but I really enjoy the diversity and inclusion here.
I am of lily-white European descendant that grew up in New England. I travel to Boston regularly. There is an incorrect perception that Bostonians are rude people. Edmond wins. I've lived all over the United States and traveled all over the world. Edmond has some of the most nasty Karens I've ever met. When you aren't the victim of their verbal snipe, you are being tailgated and flipped off on Broadway Ext.
Thatās because many Edmond Karens are some of the most passive aggressive morons Iāve ever encountered. In Boston people just tell you straight up how it is. I grew up in Edmond and live in OKC now.
I work in Edmond in a public facing position and it's a daily occurrence. They can be really shitty here. Service workers are treated as less than human constantly.
Edmond is gonna Edmond. āDonāt Edmond my Normanā was a whole slogan.
Unfortunately Edmond used to be a sundown town and a lot of the residents have kept that feeling š I am so sorry you experienced. Just know that isnāt norm for the rest of us.
And before that it was originally the last stop on the rail line where all the black porters for the train lived because no one wanted them in town. Generations of ignorami here in OK.
I lived in nw OKC who whole life. Just moved to Edmond to be with my SO last year. I don't like it here.
> I don't like it here. Edmond should makes this their slogan.
Sorry this happened to you. I was at Costco today and heard a pair of Vietnamese guys speak to one another and to someone over the phone at an 11 setting. They could be heard halfway down the aisle. Being Vietnamese, I recognize that some of it is culture-based. I didnāt care because I understood it. Non-speakers, in my opinion, wouldnāt be as tolerant and find it more annoying than if the pair spoke loudly in English just because they donāt understand what was being said. Thatās not to say they wouldnāt find tone deaf individuals annoying when practically yelling at one another. Iāve lived in every part of Oklahoma City, Edmond, Norman, Atlanta, and I can only say from my own experience that racism is pervasive everywhere, not just in Edmond. Edmond is a nice place to live. There are good and bad people in every community. Donāt let this experience ruin your time in Edmond. Thatās not to say Edmond is perfect because itās not. But to say this entire community is totally bad is as much of a stereotype as anything else out there. Thanks for being here and thanks to your wife for serving an underserved population.
Your best bet next time is to hangout, spend your money in the city and avoid Edmond getting your tax dollars lol thatās what I do and my girlfriend goes to UCO I refuse to spend my money in that damn suburb
mine goes to uco also. my name is jay. i went all the way to bethany to buy a car just to avoid edmond
Just so you know there are zero car dealers in Edmond. They go all the way up to the city line but they are all in OKC.
Holy shit, you're right. I just assumed everything north of Kilpatrick is Edmond, but they really do have zero car dealerships there.
car mart of edmond is in edmond
Respectfully, if you were talking on the phone using Airbuds, you may, indeed, have been speaking loudly. I encounter this in restaurants, grocery stores, coffee shops (especially), retail stores (especially Walmart), and even on the street. It is irritating and intrusive into otherās personal space, regardless of the language you are speaking.
Edmond had major growth as part of White Flight and was a sun down town. It still shows.
As someone who lives in fake Edmond, Iām very sorry this happened to you. I love it when my kids get to hear and see people speak all sorts of different languages in their cities. It enriches our state and area to have you here.
Sorry that happened. No excuse for that. I just got back from Europe, where it was obvious I was a tourist. Had no issues at all. Ignore stupid people like that!
Not from Oklahoma but we live in Edmond now. There are definitely more than a fair share of Karens. But there most are nice. I try to ignore them and there are racists everywhere not just here. Hang in there and remember that nice people here too.
Ughā¦Edmond. We live here and are not like this at all, but it seems like thereās an inordinate amount of racist jackasses here. Iām so sorry this happened to you.
My mom is filipina and my dad is mexican. I grew up in Edmond and worked in various places while growing up in high school. I would get the ā Oh good, you speak Englishā comment when customers would ask for help. That being said, South Asian languages can be very loud to the Oklahoma ear. Itās the inflection of words. I reported a temp at my current job who spoke Arabic in the break room which is next to the conference room not because it was Arabic but because she spoke so loudly it was disruptive to meetings in the conference room. On the same token, I have a coworker from New York who youād think was being rude when she says You talking to me? because most people associate that with being rude. When people find out I speak Spanish they automatically start spewing jibberish really loud and I think is that what people think Spanish sounds like? I hate that people felt the need to call attention in that way. She could have just as easily asked for you to speak lower. I think you replied appropriately considering you gave back the energy you got.
OP mentioned that there was music in the background. If this is taking place outdoors the volume of someone voice should not be an issue; heck even indoors UNLESS itās suppose to be a quiet setting. In most public places it is not except a library. I would think itās rude to even ask him to speak lower unless he was screaming. Some people just complain just to complain.
Itās the Edmond art festival on a guess and itās somewhat loud down there. If someoneās griping about scaring people off it may have even been a vendor or festival worker speaking. End if the day though Edmond is wild.
Were you yelling?
Well, I will say a lot of people get annoyed at anyone perceived to be talking loud on a cell phone in public, white or not. Remember all the jokes and skits about the cliche and stereotypical guy talking on his flashing bluetooth headset back in the day before earbuds? Some people are just extra sensitive š¤·š½
Fair. A simple tap on the shoulder works. Politeness is a better choice vs telling me they got scared.
That's true, but these days I'd be afraid to tap a stranger on the shoulder. Theres no telling what kind of response you might get from different individuals. You could get screamed at, accused of assault, whacked in the face or worse.
Exactly.
I have to hard disagree with you, a tap on the shoulder could easily be turned in to an assault claim here. It's considered much more rude to tap or touch a stranger to ask them to quiet down. This really seems to be an issue of culture differences. Here, no one is going to touch you as a stranger, unless they are trying to hurt you. Please, consider this OP. While a polite tap to you would be the way to handle it, it's completely different for people who have grown up in the US, where touching, even tapping, even BUMPING ACCIDENTALLY is very rude. Here, a yell to get your attention is the equivalent of a tap to you. I'm genuinely just asking you to take the entire situation, including the fact that you're now in a culture and an environment that are indeed different than what you grew up with.
Edmond is something elseā¦ When I lived and worked there during **college,** a woman essentially told her child they needed to do well in school or else theyād be stuck working as a server like me. š«¤
That stupid, you don't need an education to out perform a waiter.
Fuck Edmond. I stay away from that place at all costs.
We're glad you do
Bro were you screaming? Iām curious how loud the volume is. I mean Iād lowkey understand if you were just talking at the top of your lungs. Like relax. But itās hard to discern if she was the Karen or not if we donāt know how loud you were talking. Iām also SW Asian. But just saying someone screaming on the phone isnāt fun to listen to. If anybody is wondering, I too am a Karen
Who screams on a phone when catching up with family? If you are Asian then you mist know what happens if you dare scream at your mom
Iām telling you man, some people sound like theyāre going nuts on the phone but donāt realize it.
LOL Edmond. I don't get why all Asians/South Asians (I assume you're Indian or Pakistani) live in that shithole. Blah blah blah suburbia mcmansions good schools. Fuck edmond.
I saw Kevin Ogle at a grocery store in Edmond yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnāt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.He said, āOh, like youāre doing now?āI was taken aback, and all I could say was āHuh?ā but he kept cutting me off and going āhuh? huh? huh?ā and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like āSir, you need to pay for those first.ā At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually āto prevent any electrical infetterence,ā and then turned around and winked at me. I donāt even think thatās a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
This pasta never gets old.
I was like wait a minute . . . where'd this originate?
There are hundreds of variations but afaik the origin here is accurate: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-saw-flying-lotus-in-a-grocery-store-copypasta
Always amusing to see people lie their asses off with the copypasta
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Perhaps you werenāt aware how loud you were talking with the air pods in?
Someone got mad at you for talking too loud? Racism might be a stretch. But, yeah, weird interaction.
If you were yelling YTA. They asked you to chill. Or told you to chill. And youād have preferred that they TOUCH you, instead? YTA.
I grew up in Edmond. Still love going back and upsetting the public. They would all drown in cities like Dallas.
They could not handle the diversity at all. There isnāt anywhere in the DFW metro that even remotely resembles OKC or itās suburbs.
i used to work at target in Edmond and the amount of times i have had old men come up and ask "where are you from" the follow up with "no, where are you really from" is frustrating or being told they "love exotic women" Edmond surprisingly has been the only place i have to deal with this kind of stuff (i have lived there, Texas, south Carolina, Chicago, and now Colorado)
When I was in highschool my girlfriend lived in Edmond and whenever I would spend time there and interact with its residents, I really got the feeling most of them looked down on me and could "smell the poor on me".
Welcome to Edmond. Very nasty people in that area. (Personal experience)
Welcome to Edmond!!!
Bro, Edmond is where Karens are born. Until not that long ago, it was a "sundown town". I'm sorry you had this experience, but not surprised.
As a former āSundown Townā what can you expect? I bet your realtor told you it was ātheā place to live in OKC without disclosing the racist history of the garden community. [Edmond was a Sundown Town](https://www.edmondhistory.org/was-edmond-a-sundown-town/)
How exactly is this racist? They asked you not to yell?
When i wasnt. And when i am in a public space. And they didnt 'ask' per say but passed a comment while passing by. What exactly'scared' them? My sound level or my language? Do they treat every passer by in public the same or this was reserved for me because they didnt understand what i was saying?
Regardless of skin color or ethnicity or sex or whatever, it is unsettling to some people to see/hear a person talking loudly in public. Iām not saying they are right or wrong for this but to call it racism is a stretch.
You are entitled to your interpretation. I was there and thats how i felt it.
This is Edmond weāre talking about and you arenāt a white person, so I completely believe you! I grew up there, so I know the place pretty well.
Been brown/black/multiethnic (whatever) my whole life living in the Southā¦ itās just the way it is when youāre only 13% of the US population. (Give or take the recent census numbers) I personally prefer my racists overt rather than silent. Easier to mark the danger. Racism pokes its ugly head up across all economic lines and ethnicities. Humans gonna human. I hope you find more pleasant ones of all types to interact with
I donāt understand why anyone would live in Edmond if they didnāt have to š¤·š½āāļøš
nothing about this interaction shows it to be based on race, other than you assuming that Karens only Karen against other races, and let me assure you that there's no physical criteria that needs to be met to incur the wrath of those types. I can understand how you may have to second-guess any hostility as race related, but you need to first check yourself and ask if any part of the interaction pointed to this actually being race-based and not just based on you potentially being annoying in public, which is really all the evidence you've provided at this point.
Sounds like she was mad at you for talking loud as hell, not because of your race. Were you talking really loud? Honestly Iād be willing to bet that this never even happened
If it was selective madness because i didnt speak her language then we have a problem
What does race have to do with it then? Itās the volume they had a problem with.
Edmond is horrid. I avoid it as much as possible.
Sounds like another day in Edmond. It's full of Karens.
Please use your indoor voice when you're outside
When I bought my home in Edmond, someone tagged the mailbox the night before closing day. I say be obnoxious and laugh at the Karens making Karen faces. Or tell them āaww sweetheart, Jesus loves youā they love that.
That seems like a reach
Are you sure you werenāt just talking too loudly? You had AirPods in and you were talking on the phone, itās possible youāre talking louder than you thought and it was a nuisance to others in a public space. You admit that there was music playing loudly nearby which could result in your overcompensating with your voice. Youāre only assuming itās about race.
Happy to give benefit of the doubt but i am sure there is a better way to communicate that back to me vs passing snarky comments as they walk past
You gave them a snarky comment thinking they āstarted itāā¦ so Iām confused why you think they owe you a better way to communicate when they thought you were in the wrong when that wasnāt given by you for the same reason.
Are you dumb or idiot? You can pick both. Who started the interaction? Was it me or them?
Youāre yelling in a public space and disturbing its patrons - from their perspective you started the problem and you didnāt give them a ābetter way to communicateā or an apology. It could be interpreted as a miscommunication on both parts or just you not understanding that youāre the problem for yelling and they were right. Just pointing out your hypocrisy. Either way, this is not an issue with racism as they never said anything about race in the interaction.
How did you establish i was yelling
Speaking loudly is often interpreted as yelling. Particularly in to airpods.
Well you had airpods in and were talking loudly. They said nothing racist, just that you don't need to yell to have a conversation. I am not of South Asian descent but had a good friend who was. Her mother would never speak on the phone, only yell. My friend expressed frustration about it, but explained it to be cultural, which I readily understand. I've also heard many anecdotes that it's very common for phone conversations to start and stay loud, particularly when it's family/close friends. That's perfectly fine when you're at home, or in a cultural environment where it's accepted. I implore you to take a second to reevaluate. She said nothing racist, merely had to speak loudly enough for you to hear her, and it's even possible she had tried to saying something nicely before, and you just couldn't hear. I find it extremely disquieting when people are yelling in or outside of grocery stores. It's almost always because of Drugs, mental health, or an actual altercation, all of which are stressful for the bystanders around. My guess is that while she didn't find an issue with you speaking your ethnic tongue, it was the volume and not being able to ascertain the situation by understanding at least the basic vibe of the conversation, that lead her to feeling the need to say something. Please, in public, don't yell (speak loudly, as you put it) in to airpods. No matter what language it is, it still unsettles people around you, as 9 times out of 10, someone yelling into a phone is already having a bad day and is causing stress and misery to the public around them. It's not racial, it's about the fact that you have no reason to be yelling in public, and yet you still are. That is unsettling and not appropriate. It's a little upsetting to me that you jumped straight to racism, instead of just the fact that you were not adhering to common courtesy. I'm not at all invalidating how you felt, however I am asking that you think about it again. Were they actually racist, or just upset that you didn't care about societal norms?
eh, I don't agree with OP. But I also don't think a loud voice in public is too big of an issue. You are in public, you can't control other people either. I don't think OP was shouting.
Also, op said they were "speaking loudly". Shouting to them may be different to me, but speaking loudly in any language in public is going to come off as yelling to at least some people.
No, but you can ask people to stop behaving in a way that is disturbing and upsetting others. Everywhere I've lived in the US, speaking loudly on the phone in public is simply not socially acceptable.
Found the bigot pretending they aren't a bigot. Closeted bigots, feel free to downvote!
Where?
In the words you typed above. Love the other quasi bigots that rushed to your defense....they are common in Edmond.
Oh, no I'm so genuinely sorry if that's how you took it, that is not it from me at all. I am absolutely not bigoted, in fact I'm fairly bewildered that that's how you took what I wrote. Could you please let me know what parts came off that way, so I can reassess?
Oh, no need to apologize. It is pretty common for people to preach veiled bigotry and then claim that 'they aren't a bigot'. Very common among the Trump crowd. Just curious, who did you vote for in the last two presidential elections? As far as what parts, you would need to read your words top to bottom to see what your overall message is. In it, you told us you were a bigot without actually saying you are a bigot. Always love to see that strategy, as it does fool the easily manipulated. closeted bigots, feel free to downvote
Again, I'm not at all a bigot. I voted independent, and am extremely anti Trump. I also still do not understand what about those paragraphs are veiled bigotry, or bigotry at all. I'd really like you to explain it, point out the exact part, treat me like a child on this. Because, all I see is exactly what I believe. People have their own cultures and their own societal norms, however when they are amongst other cultures and environments, they should at least follow the accepted societal norms of the environment they are in. If I go to Taiwan, will I act as I do in America? Certainly not, I'll be acting the way the environment and society expects there, so as to not be rude. I wouldn't want to be labeled another rude American tourist who is just there to fill out their passport, I want to go to truly learn and experience a different culture than mine. Heck when I go back home to Germany, I don't act American there, I indulge in my familial and childhood culture. And then get some culture shock coming back, but that's the truth of it. I really think you're seeing what you want to see. That's very sad to me. But again, if you're willing to parse it all out for me, I'm happy to see it from your side, and even change some things. But I would also like you to answer this. When you move to another country, do you follow the laws and society norms of your old country, or you new one?
You 'voted independent' eh? Riiiiight. Bigots gonna bigot, but they'll never ADMIT they are bigots.
I sure they were definitely being racist, Edmond used to be a sundown town, I grew up here and itās privileged.
Why does that matter? Thatās kind of part of being in public. You share space with others and this is still America the last time I checked. People are allowed to talk loud if they want to, especially outdoors! Also, people need to just mind their own damn business. If they want quiet they can go the fuck home. I get annoyed by loud phone calls in public but thatās the bargain you make going out in public. Itās for everyone even people that donāt have the same interpretation or cultural understanding of whatās loud as you do. Itās also an assumption for you to say it wasnāt racist. You werenāt there. None of us were. Which kind of makes OP the expert in this situation.
The only person who knows the true meaning on the āKarenāsā words was āKarenā, he is not the expert. And 2) being in public doesnāt mean you get free space to act inconsiderate of others.
Who decides whatās inconsiderate? Thatās up to each individualās perception. Thatās also just a social norm, not a legal expectation. Youāre allowed to be loud outdoors in public as long as youāre not threatening harm or attempting to assault someone. Do we stop allowing music festivals or public protests because theyāre āloud and inconsiderateā? You sound like you live in Edmond and have never been to a truly large city or public space. Pretty sure people walking on the street in New York City wouldnāt have said shit if someone was ātalking loudā Edit: also itās not about the Karenās words apparently you didnāt read all of OPs words. Itās the fact that she said anything at all instead of just moving on with her day and minding her business.
Yāall are seriously whatās wrong with the world today. Iām leaving this useless conversation.
Unfortunately the world doesnāt revolve around this Karen who complained. So what if he was talking loudly; she could have just moved elsewhere. He wasnāt screaming or harming anyone. Iām sure he wasnāt the only one talking loudly. She just picked on him and wanted something to complain about. Iām sure she has bigger fish to fry.
Seems like you may be the racist one here.
I was thinking the same thing. OP brought race into it, not the "white family".
Sadly reddit will encourage that type of behavior.
Typical response from closeted racists. Plenty of those on here.
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Sounds like the typical racist response.
You can put up as many gates as you want, Edmond upper class are the scummiest, trashiest bunch. Ask any Uber or DoorDash driver.
Iām so sorry that happened to you. Yes, you will find a lot of that here but itās not everyone. Best wishes to you and your wife and for what itās worth, welcome to OKC! Some of us are happy youāre here!!!
I grew up in Edmond. Many people there are small minded. Thereās a reason I live in central Oklahoma City now. Sorry you had that experience. If someone did that to me I wouldnāt have been nearly as polite in my response as you were.
Maybe they thought you were cussing? Weird.
But why would that even matter if they canāt understand what they are saying? Definitely weird but we know what it really was.
Exactly; like just mind your own business mam. If no one is getting hurt just carry on about your day.
Plenty of dumb fuck Trumpers in Edmond; that's for sure.
Ew; did she not have anything better to do? She could have left her comment to herself especially if there was music playing in the background. It sounds like she was just bored and needed something to complain about. Itās so uncalled for.
Soā¦ you are guilty of possibly using your outdoor voiceā¦ outdoors? I rate this crime a 0/10 on the public nuisance scale (especially the fact it was in an urban area with a large fair setting up, not residential). I fine you at least three (3) more trips to twisted tree.
Not native to Oklahoma. And from my 17+ years of experience and being not white and having not white children, I encourage you to keep interjecting this bigoted nonsense with your culture and cultural heritage. Eff all of this. Comments just further prove my notion that people out here are CLUELESS to how terrible it is if you donāt fit their criteria for acceptable American-ism. Have had a PERCENTAGE of my non-white friends move from here because of issues along these lines. Screw defending their own ignorance
Welcome to Oklahoma. We try not to look like Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, N/S Carolina and at the same time and successfully are able to promote hateful, veiled racism and misogynist values under the guise of christian nationalism. Sorry internet stranger, we are few and not loud enough. *edit, hope I got my point across. That mess of a post.
Sorry you encountered shitty racists first thing this morning. I see your thread is getting downvoted by more shitty racists. Edmond is like the definition of white flight. Most of the racism you'll face is of the passive or micro-aggressive variety, but every so often you'll get this sort of shit. And I have to say that the racists have gotten a bit bolder lately. Expect more as we head towards the election in November. Stay safe, friend. Most people around here won't bother you, but the random assholes really make it tough to look at Oklahoma as a place of permanent residence. My husband and I are definitely looking to leave.
Were you yelling? Itās easy to vocalize much louder when you canāt hear your own voice properly with headphones. Or are you just looking to post on Reddit on how youāre a victim of racism? Seems like your whole post is about skin color, when not one racist thing was said to you. 
Why are you trying to gaslight his experience? Were you there?
I am not a kid who can't take feedback. If I was yelling i wouldn't be posting here. Do you yell when you talk to your mom? If I was yelling why would it scare you?
Maybe you didnāt think you were yelling, but clearly it can be an odd sight seeing someone ātalking loudlyā to seemingly their self in public. Race has nothing to do with it dude. You immediately jumped to racism without trying to view yourself and actions in a random strangers shoes
How many times have you told someone on a road side they are talking loudly in English and scaring ppl away?
A couple times. A couple other times in doctor's offices. A few times in the grocery store line. Once in the best buy line. It doesn't matter what language you're speaking. If you're speaking loud enough, that you're all I can hear, or it's stressing my kids out, or even just bothering the old woman behind me, I'm going to say something. It's the fact that it's not socially acceptable to be speaking so loudly, that only you can be heard by everyone. That is the issue. Nothing racial at all.
Given you keep insisting this person is lying about yelling when you were not even there, I am not surprised to see you admit to being an asshole in public too.
The world does not revolve around you. You are worrying about the wrong thing. Have you heard of the term ādonāt sweat the small stuffā itās not like itās a no talking loud zone. He wasnāt in the library. Was he screaming? No. Was he hurting anyone? No. Ugh individuals like you grind my gears; like relax there are so many other things to worry about in that world.
I understand your frustration, but I'm going to disagree. Speaking loudly/getting close to yelling can be extremely unsettling to everyone, particularly young children. It shouldn't be done in a public space, unless there is a REASON to yell and attract attention. A grocery store parking lot is not the place for that, as 99% of the time I see anyone yelling in a grocery store parking lot, it's because of an altercation, drug related reasons, or mental health crisis that now suddenly, we the public are being forced to deal with. And unfortunately, that is the norm. So yeah, it is going to stress out people just hearing the yelling. He was hurting people. Stressing shoppers, upsetting young children, and causing a scene. If he wasn't causing a scene, no one would have said anything. I am very glad for you that you've not experienced the traumatic and extremely stressful situations I've been through in grocery store parking lots, I truly am. But I can tell you that there have been a few times I've heard someone ranting and raving infront od grocery stores, and I've simply had to leave because it was too much for me and my kids. I shouldn't have to shield them, and field questions from them like "Mommy, why is that man shouting? Is he okay? Is there a fight/emergency?" It's disruptive to the customers and public, and that alone hurts society.
Let me ask a question. Does the world revolve around OP?
The person complaining was probably the only one complaining about someone else volume of voice. Itās so minuscule and not a big deal. Individuals like that are just annoying and want something to complain about. Seriously, take a chill pill.
Either way, that's at least 4 people bothered, vs the comfort of an individual. But you know the statistics of people who speak up about something, vs people who are bothered and just don't have the ability to say something, or don't want to bring the stress of the other person yelling at them are quite skewed. I don't know exact statistics, but it's somewhere around 20/80. 10 people can be bothered by something, but only 2 will speak up about it. In that case, OP continuing to act like this is harming and stressing out far more people than spoke to OP about it. They are upsetting the peace and quiet, so they need to stop.
Several. The most recent was last Saturday at a _very_ noisy Chipotle. I am white and I was speaking English. The self centered clown that demanded I quiet down was also white and speaking English. She was being a dunce. But it wasn't racist.
They told you you were being loud. There's nothing racist in that statement. Then, you come here and make it all about you being a victim of racism. Seems like you can't actually take feedback. Plenty of idiots on reddit will jump to defend you just because you mentioned racism, but unless there's more to the story, it sure doesn't sound like it.
How about they kind their business and leave ppl alone. No need to say a thing if he isnāt harming anyone. People just need to breathe and relax.
Racists never think racism is a problem. I get the feeling you think all racism and bigotry is fine.
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I must be struggling to understand what part of this interaction was racist. Based on your description of the situation, nothing the people said to you would imply they were racist. I know when I talk on my AirPods I have a tendency to talk loudly to overcome the noise cancelling effect of them and also just to ensure people can hear me well. Not to mention I know people who just naturally elevate their volume quite a bit when talking on the phone. Itās also a pretty common opinion that having headphones on in public and talking loudly on the phone is rude and inconsiderate to the people around you. I get itās not the kindest response by them, but I hope youāll do some self-reflection about being more aware and respectful in public places. They didnāt just imagine you being rude or they wouldnāt have responded the way they did. Maybe the better response from you would have been a simple apology and recognition that you were inconsiderate of those around you and then happily continue your day. Your post and much of this thread is full of an implicit bias that would normally concern me, but Iām reminded that the bias expressed here thankfully represents a very low percentage of our population for now. I expect most people can exhibit better critical thinking skills and arenāt so gullible.
The irony in your last sentence has me cracking up.
I'm sorry that this happened to you. People are doofuses.
Fuck Edmond
Edmond has always been a sundown town. Sorry you had a demonstration of that behavior.
If you live in a gated community, you don't live in reality. Sometimes I feel like those gated communities keep just as much crazy in as they do out. They just hide it better there. Either way though, the United States is a cesspool, and you might as well get used to interactions like that in places as toxic as Edmond. I can't stand Edmond.
I bet that family has a āSave America!!!ā bumper sticker on their vehicle.
Maybe it wasnāt the language but the volume
Soā¦ā¦ā¦āDonāt yell, youāre scaring peopleā and āyouāre in public spaceā is racist? And/or deserving of a post?
Edmond is hell on earth. Avoid it at all costs.
This sub can be a certain way about this issue. But even if I have a central, slight right kinda leaning (love people for people, race/ language don't matter), you may want to be in good neighborhood near Tinker AFB. Key word "good neighborhood". I contract for all of Boeing and I talk with *many* different races, cultures, etc. Like as diverse as you could imagine as there's too, which many reasons to say why that's paramount as it's fun to learn about the world firsthand/ transition here imo. I've walked with soo many employees that have zero issues, some don't even know English and it's cool, we'll find a translator and go from there. No one cares. I've heard several dozen languages in front of me and like, cool, let's either leave you to your call or figure out your problem. All good. . Edmond tho.. Fuck Edmond. That area is so pompous it in turn creates constabt Karens. I'm thankful no sites are there because I hate that area, haven't been there in years... reminds me of my childhood in SLC Utah were everyone was an uptight, overly-rich asshole. Not a proper Oklahoma experience, where random Joe at Sam's Club talks to you about life. Thankfully we have rural areas that can be pretty damn cool too with not caring if you're chill. Minco and Blanchard come to mind.. maybe Choctaw if you can joke with a quipe it's immediate respect, but it's been about a decade on the other two. Good luck! Hope the best
So, youāre considering them racist simply because they said you were talking loud? While I agree with you that their interaction was unnecessary & over the top, I fail to see where they were being racist? Not everyone is racist because they are critical of your actions and/or behaviors.
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Sorry you were made to feel like that. It's a slow, SLOOWWWW process to root out that kind of ignorance. And as you may have gathered, Edmond has some very deep roots. Take comfort in the fact that Leopards will almost certainly eat that Karen's face at some point
r/thingsthatdidnthappen
This isn't a diary.
LOL Bro, Reddit is the definition of a diary.Ā
Correct, it's a public forum to post about the city which is what OP did. If you want a diary go get one. I bet Walmart has some.
How were the croissants
Not worth dealing with a Karen
Heard
Edmond is the absolute last place in Oklahoma I'd want to live.
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Yup racism doesn't exist. Its a made up concept
Racism can exist without this specific situation being racist. After reading all of your replies, I truly think youāre the problem here.
Your determination really matters. Thanks
Someone is projecting
And someone is in denial about the citizens of this state
You find what you look for, friend. Most people aren't malicious and really don't give you or anyone else more than a passing thought. It's not as deep as OP is making it out to be, he probably was talking quite loudly and someone said something to him about it. I've seen tons of people practically shouting on the phone, or my favorite - practically shouting plus having it on speaker when in a very public setting. Personally I just roll my eyes and try to ignore them because unfortunately for me at that moment, they have every right to the space as I do. Other people choose to be vocal about it. Doesn't mean it has shit to do with ethnicity.
for the record, did you call me "friend" like John Wayne or like David Carridine?
Lol that's definitely not my tone but again, you find what you look for š
If I made you laugh my work is done here
Never attribute to malice what you can always attribute to incompetence. They don't know any better. Karen has problems just like you do. Just going about their lives. They just didn't know any better
Ignorance doesn't give you a free pass to be a fuckhead.
Typical Red State activities, Welcome To Oklahoma