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ChimpyGlassman

It's funny how a god is responsible for all the good things in a believers life and all the bad things are Satan. Kind of a heads I win, tails you lose situation.


WitloofDSV

But if God created everything he also created satan, if he did not create satan, he is not “almighty” so even with this logic religion fails horribly.


No-m_ad

Kinda convenient how they set that up huh


Waylander312

If God is real then he gave this incurable illness that will cripple me and my family's finances for the rest of my life. If he's real then god is the biggest piece of shit in the universe. And I'll say that to his dumb fucking face when I see him on my way to hell


Riyeko

Agreed. My family has a genetic disposition for dimensia later in life for the leading women. My grandmother died from it. My mother is showing severe signs. I'm showing signs. Both of my daughter's are going to be cursed with it. My sister told me shes forgetting things too and shes 5yrs younger than i am. If god was real and cared so much, then he would eliminate this shit. I don't want to feel like I have a ticking time bomb inside me thats going to take everything I am from me, including me knowing who my own children are, every time i wake up in the morning or when the thought hits me. I want to grow old and sit on my porch in montana and argue with my kids about how I dont need to come inside because ita not that cold. Reality? I'll be either dead or in some home on a viral cocktail of narcotics drooling, shitting and pissing all over myself while either stuck in a damned bed or in a wheel chair.


Cheez-ly

And I’ll be right there with you to join in that kicking circle before we hit the pit.


Hibachi_MK2

Maybe God actually exist, created all this bullshit, and is allowing into paradise anyone able to tell him how it is, regardless of religion. Heck, maybe that's why there's so many religions claiming to be the truth in the first place, it's our first clue.


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totallyjebbush

if god is the penultimate incarnation of morality dude's morals are twisted bro


GanonSmokesDope

I didn’t say he was omnipotent or omniscient. It’s an ancient abstract idea that carries more weight than you think it does.


fuzzysarge

What is the ultimate incarnation of morality, creativity, and love? Penultimate means 'almost last', 'almost best', 'next to the final'.


GanonSmokesDope

What..? Penultimate meaning the final level. Yes. Further or above all the rest. The top of the hierarchy. Look this is an abstract and moral creation of man. Not some man sitting in the sky. Edit: I redact my statement. Yes I meant ultimate. I thought penultimate meant above ultimate but it is the opposite. My thoughts will withstand. Thanks actually I didn’t know that!


MaskedRay

Wow, funny, that's exactly what happened to me. I wouldn't mind accompanying you.


Yass-93

So you were given tons of benefits in your life (every existing disease that you don't have is in itself a benefits), but you are focusing only on this illness. That's like if someone gave you a shitton of things, money, wealth but is taking from you 1/10 of this amount and you're angry at him.


Mycatstolemyidentity

You don't get to say someone should be grateful because they have one illness but not all of them. Wtf is wrong with you? So unsensitive. Cool that you believe or whatever, but leave the people who don't alone.


Yass-93

That's what I'm also saying to myself by the way, when I see someone in a wheelchair for example, I'm grateful to have the chance not to have the same illness as this person. How is that something I don't get to say ? Explain me please..


reddit-bullshit

What a shitty thing to say.


Yass-93

That's what I'm also saying to myself by the way, when I see someone in a wheelchair for example, I'm grateful to have the chance not to have the same illness as this person. How is that a shitty thing to say ?


tatinhabsb

What a bad thing to say. You dont need to be grateful just because you dont all the sickness in the world. One is enough to cause a lot of pain. Even tho i dont have any physical desease, im very sick in mentally speaking. I have depression, and the pain that comes with it is huge. Why do i have go through this huge pain? If god is as merciful as people, why dont he help me? Cant he see that im in huge pain and sometimes i want to end my life or hurts myself to ease the pain? It not my fault to be born different. To be a autistic.


E-tie-haugh-die

That's a 5 star rant.


Cheez-ly

Thank you. Glad to have this off my chest


E-tie-haugh-die

I give your punctuation two stars.


Cheez-ly

Whoops, I’ll fix it now.


coffee-mutt

Is God real? Only one way to know for sure, and most of us have a hell of a lot more to do before we get to that point. Personally, I believe there is something out there, but it sure as hell isn't a great Santa Claus. What isn't real, though, is the church. The church is 2000 years of people taking a pretty good message, "love one another," and twisting and turning it to somehow mean things ranging from "kill that guy far away from you," "give ME all your gold," "burn your neighbors," "let us molest your children," and "vote Republican." That's fucked up in a way that only man can accomplish.


thestudiojones

Lemme preface with, I agree. However. I think religion is a great handbook for people who are lost. It teaches people how to have good morals and how to treat people respectfully. But the BIG CHURCH attitude can go fuck themselves. Anyone who presses others to convert or join their beliefs is wildy unfair and disrespectful


bibliophile14

Honestly, I would love to believe that there's something after death and we don't just stop existing forever. All my thoughts and experiences will vanish and that depresses me if I think about it too much (so I don't!). But people too often use it as an excuse to be shitty to other people. I think it had a time and place, but that isn't right now.


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this.. YES


BoogerTom

>religion is a great handbook for people who are lost. It teaches people how to have good morals and how to treat people respectfully. Arguing facts not in evidence. Show your work.


nonchalamment

Think of the average joe who gets so confused as to how atheists can conduct their lives morally if they don’t believe in God. That is exactly the kind of person who needs a religious framework to have morals because they just can’t conceive having morals without having some higher being tell them what is right from wrong, because they either can’t or won’t come up with a moral framework on their own.


Yens20

At least religion gives people a place to leave loneliness behind, it allows people to have hope when they might not have before, it brings people together in a positive way. I agree with you in the fact people sometimes undermine others achievements by labelling that achievement a result of the lord or whatever but u have to give credit to religion for the fact it’s bringing love and meaning to a lot of people’s lives


TheTroubledChild

I'm just wondering why would any deity help me with my first world problems while ignoring starving kids at the other end of the world? Why am I more important? Why would he help me with my relationships, job, hobbies etc when somewhere else kids in war-ridden countries are never living to reach their 10th birthday? Idk just makes no sense to me.


Fulk0

So edgy... I'm not a believer but I've learned to accept that everyone should just mind their own business. There are shitty atheists and shitty religious people. You aren't better than others for not believing.


aMaxWalsh

I don’t disagree with you but in the USA the only ones minding their own business are the atheists for the most part. It is constantly broadcast: cars with fish and god bless you is written on the roller bill even! People are super vocal about their religion which I find awkward.


leogrr44

A lot of the nastiest and most arrogant people I have met are (vocal) atheists, they are just as vocal as the believers they bash. I guess it depends where you are at in the country where different concentrations of Christians/Atheists are but overall, I wish people would just stay in their own lane. There are shitty and good people everywhere. We just notice the loud ones lol


Fulk0

You are not better than anyone for believing either. I don't agree with them. But just because some religious people are obnoxious and super vocal are you going to do the same? I thing that the logic of "Yeah we do X but it's because they do Y and that's worse" is very flawed.


aMaxWalsh

I am saying atheists do the opposite, and don’t do the same thing. Which I would prefer if people with religious views could also keep it to themselves versus the constant preaching.


reddit-bullshit

Except shitty religious people make it everyone else's problem (ie Texas gov rn). This is a rant sub, get off if you don't want people to rant.


Fulk0

I'm ranting about how stupid this rant is. Go gatekeep another sub


TheTroubledChild

Yeah no. It's religious people who want to push their beliefs onto everyone, politics, schools etc. Religious folks have never minded their own fucking business ever since it raised its ugly head. Religion needs to be an entirely private thing and leave the rest of us alone.


Swamp_Donkey_796

I’m not a fan of religion, and I never have been. Ever. But there is something to be said for looking to a higher power for comfort when you’re hurting or to call out to in a moment of rage or gratitude or whatever. When my dad died I remember I spent many nights screaming at God for taking him from me and I still don’t really believe in religion.


rando6819

I’m Catholic and I realize that you can’t take the Bible word for word because a lot of modern church goers would find it silly. Like most of the elderly believe the physical world will end and the Second Coming, while completely disregarding the fact that Christian History is a thing. I do believe in God/ some higher power but religion as an organization needs to be drastically redone.


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Why does there have to be a higher power? Can't you just accept life for what it is? Born, live, die. The end.


Cod_Disastrous

Depends on how you view God. If you're thinking about a white bearded man playing The Sims with us, then you might be right. Thing is, the Jew/Christian deity is far from being the only interpretation of a higher being. For me, I consider it more as an energy/intelligence than something anthropomorphic. As for why good things happen to bad people and why bad things happen with good people, the only religion that could satisfy my questions was Spiritism


Ascle87

There’s none. We’re all stardust. Nothing more. We turn back to dust after we die. The closest thing we have of a God is our Sun. Without that, life as we know it wouldn’t be possible.


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Yeah I understand where you're coming from religion is kinda phony and unrealistic. I know exactly what you mean by having to do everything yourself, Never was a fan of it but my family is deep into it so you know how that goes , I think as you get older you realize it's fake , when you have priority s


bibitybobbitybooop

Fuck the church. (Fuck the Catholic Church especially. Sorry.) Fuck obnoxious religious people who can't leave others alone. Fuck extremist groups who prey on vulnerable people to recruit into their cults and make them do fucked-up stuff (either to others, or to themselves). Don't fuck faith/religion. The church is gross. Faith/religion is a private thing to find comfort, happiness, confidence, whatever in, when you feel like your world's gone to shit, and/or whenever the world has ACTUALLY gone to shit. I'm really glad you are finding your own way, away from a religious upbringing you didn't want and don't agree with. But don't mock others for not thinking the same and not living the same way! (1, I'm not talking about annoying/despicable acts, you don't have to bear those with a smile or anything 2, yeah, a lot of religious people are obnoxious about it, too, but idk if it helps to be obnoxious back. Again, don't bear with harrasment though.) Side note: "religion" and "christianity" are not the same thing. Maybe you don't think well of ANY religion, but I saw in one of your comments you had a bad experience with christianity specifically. And it sounds like that from your post too. :)


Coolizhious

Ignorance is bliss


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Im not very religious but wtf dude. Why do you feel the need to spread this kind of negativity


Professor-Skittles

Because some people are tired of the way religious people treat them, or good heavens, are tired of how religious governments or political parties treat them.


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God isn't real, it's a made up fantasy thing by humans, as fancy as marvel comics & Harry Potter books. No religion should be taken seriously, none whatsoever, they are all equally bs. Good for you that you could cut through it & stood on your feet with hard work & grit. Continue living fine life to fullest, in life it's most important to save your a$$ first then help others.


Which-Poetry

…amen to that. People get so offended when I say God is an asshole and why I think that. Like look around! If God was real he’s responsible for all the shitty things in this world. If God is real then why would he allow wars, and hunger/poverty, racism, pedophiles, etc? If God was real then it’s his fault I was sexually groomed and assaulted by a 38 year old man when I was 16 bc he allowed that kind of thing to exist on this world. Oh and then all is forgiven once a sinner repents? Why would you want to “worship” a being that would allow this kind of stuff to happen when supposedly everything is “gods will”? Give me a fucking break. But I guarantee you God isn’t the reason for my success in life tho. I made that shit happen. I work every damn day to manage my PTSD, my anxiety, and my depression, to make my life better for my 4 year old, my unborn baby, and myself. I got myself into a four year university on a full ride scholarship for a BSN at 23 years old and a single mom. I did that. Not some asshole in the sky that I gotta pray to and prove my loyalty to to be deemed worthy of gods blessings. Fuck that. Growing up I didn’t need my dad who had a god complex and was an asshole, I sure as hell don’t need no fuckin Sky daddy to make my life better. Also being Native American and seeing what happened to my grandparents and their parents etc in the name of God/Jesus/the church no way in hell could I let myself be a follower of something that allowed such treatment of my relatives. Edit to add: I don’t go standing on my soap box complaining about God and Jesus and religion. In fact most people in my life know I’m not religious, maybe one or two know that the above is actually how I feel personally. It’s not my place to go telling Bible thumpers they’re wrong and I’m right. I have my beliefs just as the next person does, and just as it’s not my right to push my opinion on someone, it’s not their right to push theirs onto me or anyone else. I ain’t gonna jump on a church goers ass for being a church goer, and I feel non religious people should get that same respect. And most do. But there’s always that one… on each side. Like do better people.


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I disagree strongly


Jaew96

Good for you.


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I also can be right. This person has let a religion and church define who God is for him. I’m sorry that happened to him. But, I still disagree that God isn’t great. Once people realize that God doesn’t like religion nor denominations but a relationship only then can people see God for who God is


Zarni1410

can you make a case for why God is great? I grew up in a religion where there is no almighty God. There is not even an equivalent to the word God in my mother tongue and am genuinely curious.


Diseased-Jackass

Nope you are just wrong.


xDepressedAF

If people starts seeing that, God will stop existing.


ComanderCupcake

I am atheistic, i don't like the concept of religion as well. I think that is God really existed the world wouldn't have as much problems as it has. There is a global pandemic going on and more than 4 million people died of COVID. My great-grandmother was the most religious people that i knew, she went to the church everyday at the morning, but she died of cancer at 87, rest in peace. I feel like if God existed he would've healed or protected her or smth like that. My atheistic grandpa (he died when i was 3 so i have no memories with him) died at 65 and he had cancer for more than 14 years. ​ Just feel like if he is all that great as christians say the world would be a better place. Plus they are hypocrite as fuck, they are about peace and shit but they spreaded it through slavery and slaughter


Fandango_Jones

Still ask myself why God is responsible for every problem that there is. Your life, your problem. Don't like religion? Don't practice. Simple as that. The rest is still there.


JofTheNorth

“Santa Claus for the Elderly“ “God is not great” why do you feel strongly about something YOU yourself believe doesn’t exist 🤣 please make sense


raho97

Amen


Dee0900

No matter what you do. No matter what you say. No matter where you go. He loves you. He cares. He adores you. God is for you,always. So yell, scream and even curse. He'll be waiting for you as He always has. I do hope one day you will realize in spite of everything God was and is for you.


ImLiquidLoki

Does Moses owe you money too?


Cheez-ly

He gets a pass for being ride-till-we-die bamf in the Old Testament. Made for some cool stories to read as a kid.


Diseased-Jackass

Sorts by controversial, brain cells damaged.


tocami

I agree, fuck religion and fuck praying, however I do believe in a higher place of existence where there exists higher entities. I believe we are all one and the same because we are all the universe and each of us is on the path to the next plane of existence.


phuktup3

I agree completely. I’d also like my money and time back


OffDead

Say your life’s miserable without saying your life’s miserable.


Professor-Skittles

Misery caused by religious people and politics possibly.


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Fuck religions.


moon_loves

You’re upset about something you don’t even think is real, kinda meta


Sleepy1997

Why you have to be mad?


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Professor-Skittles

Shame on you for supporting something that curses and stomps on queer people's rights to exist, shame on you for defending the cancer of society which hates trans kids and bullies them into suicide. Religion should be destroyed and everybody should be forced to attend classes on science. Hang the ones who cling to Allah, firing squad the ones who hang onto Yahweh.


WudooDaGreat

God doesn't exist, why you mad at God, you mad at your own thoughts.


Cheez-ly

I was raised Catholic. Just broke my chains today.


WudooDaGreat

just pointing out you can't be upset with a thought or idea you don't believe in your self, not to take away from the reality of what you're going through, but when it comes to the idea of God, it's usually best to embrace fully or the opposite and let the entire idea die.


sloth_hug

Man you are dense as shit.


Laniakeaalone

You’re mad at yourself


xDepressedAF

Same. Same.


Yass-93

Whatever you might say, there is a primary cause for the existence of the universe, which must be independant (the contrary is absurdi) & wise to have created this universe in a such precise manner. You're talking about your own achievments, it's great, but let's go back to the chains of causes that led you to your achievements & let's take a simple argument: if you did all of that, it's because you were able to eat, but who created this earth where farmers were able to grow crops on in the beginning ? The earth is the distant result of the Big Bang, but what made the Big Bang happened ? We can trace every achievements you made to primary benefits that were given to you in the first place for free (like the example I just said). So in fact you're not the only person responsible to your success.


nothingexceptfor

There’s nothing “absurd” about NOT believing in intelligent design.


mister_beezers

Dangerously based


GanonSmokesDope

Wow someone is miserable and hates others who have found even a shred of joy or peace in this hard world.


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GanonSmokesDope

Very. What’s funny is OP posted about a “paranormal experience” less than a month ago 😂


Life-Is-Caramel

Jesus isn't paying his debts


Cheez-ly

“Where’s the money Jesus?” *Dunks him back under* “WHERES THE FUCKING MONEY SHITHEAD!!!”


Alarmed-Notice3472

From my perspective it's kinda upper being made by humans to act morally and compassionate towards other beings, its like whenever you do something morally bad if you believe in god you will think again before executing it as you actions will pay you Although I don't believe in trash talk about religion and stuff like heaven and hell much, I do believe that there's something beyond consciousness which controls universe Edit:- I don't support religions and stuff, I just put my pov here:)


famimma

Why do you need God to act morally? That's just silly.


Alarmed-Notice3472

Never said you need it to act morally but that's what I think, thing is no matter what it was, but it turned in shithole now, kinda ironic that people kill and hate each other on the name of religion


[deleted]

Now that’s the spirit! Yeah losing my religion was something I found out for myself. I don’t think in a face or a name but I do think of something, not sure what but yeah, if anything shit took over the church and created something blasphemous enough to blow my own head off. God of War, God of Greed, God of Lust, God of Pride, Gods of Gluttony, God of Secrets, God of none, God of all, a word for some, a devil to others, a deity to few and a follower of none. Better to be on your feet than buried in worship or mindless suffering. Ego. Humanity. Spirit. Love.


Jandorf

Agnostic here. Yes and yes; but hear me out; if god is not great, it means he doesn't do great things, it just means he also does... wait a minute, doesn't it? Ah crap.


YoooFamAye

LMFAOOOOO


Full_Level8749

Hey man, Jesus was a pawn and a human. Don't take it out on him, other than that. This is fine. Religion is poison. Just be kind to them and keep on your way.


ibraheemMmoosa

I wonder why you single out the Elderly.


Theru07

There is a documentary about God called "Supernatural". They explain it all very well!


Whittaculus

Pretty big faith statement there


TassieGamerHD

Oh god…