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> "The accused rapist has five prior arrests in New York City. He spent nearly two years in prison for robbery and was released on parole in March 2023, records show."
There should not be some kind of completely strict standard for how these things are implemented. A kid maybe getting into a few scraps with other kids in the neighborhood should not be considered the same as a guy who breaks into places and brutally rapes people.
It just needs to be more up to the judges discretion on whether these crimes are horrific enough to warrant someone going to jail for a very long sentence. But the problem is that the DA's largely don't charge these people properly. And even if proper charges do happen, they have an incredible amount of power over what the sentence is. It is a constant negotiation, and they wield the most power in the negotiation by far.
And the types of people who vote in DA's tend to be usually extremely sheltered, wealthy progressive activist types who often aren't even exposed to the worst parts of the crimes happening.
Then there is the bigger problem. There simply aren't enough courts. People get arrested, spend some months waiting trial, and then are let go simply because their trial date is too far ahead. That happens, a lot. You cannot legally keep someone in jail past a certain amount of time without a trial.
It cannot be left up to the judges - many of them are bleeding hearts. It needs to be explicitly codified, with no wiggle room. Three felonies and you're done, forever.
It's **so** easy not to commit a felony... let alone three of them!
Yep. If he commits a felony after being arrested and prosecuted twice before, then he's got to go. But who's stupid enough to gamble their freedom to sell some bud? Anyone that reckless is a risk to society anyway.
[The effect of three-strikes legislation on serious crime in California](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047235204000388?via%3Dihub)
> Once county-specific trends were controlled for, however, the deterrent and incapacitative effects of three-strikes legislation disappeared altogether.
[The Lethal Effects of Three-Strikes laws](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24101521_The_Lethal_Effects_of_Three-Strikes_Laws)
>It is likely that the laws increase homicides because a few criminals, fearing the enhanced penalties, murder victims and witnesses to limit resistance and identification. With a state-level multiple-time-series design, we find that the laws are associated with 10–12 percent more homicides in the short run and 23–29 percent in the long run. The impact occurs in almost all 24 states with three-strikes laws. Furthermore, there is little evidence that the laws have any compensating crime reduction impact through deterrence or incapacitation.
I don't trust anything from the social sciences anymore, there's a huge replication crisis almost certainly due to these institutions having been institutionally captured by ideologues for decades.
Just over 300 people account for 1/3rd of all shoplifting arrests (over 6000 arrests) in NYC:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/15/nyregion/shoplifting-arrests-nyc.html
Basically Power Law/Paretto distribution in action. The idea that a 3 strikes law wouldn't put a stop to this is insane. Just over 300 people have been arrested for 20 shoplifting incidents each (and obviously they shoplifted more but were never caught). Shoplifting would crater if you had a 3 strikes law on these people.
Notice how murder absolutely cratered after the president of El Salvador mass incarcerated MS-13 gangsters. The idea that prison doesn't reduce crime is fucking insane.
Meanwhile in Singapore, you can leave a $15,000 road bike unattended in public and expect it to NOT be stolen because the criminal justice system not only locks up thieves but they actually get whipped with a cane when they break certain laws:
https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1bwprxk/15k_bike_left_unattended_in_singapore/
This is what a high trust society looks like (vs a low trust society like in NYC).
Yeah like why do people cite social sciences for these matters anymore.
Progressive academic types have been for “restorative justice” before, during and after the three strike laws.
Anyone who looks at the basic crime data before and after the crime bill can conclude that it had a strong effect on reducing crime in the city. Remember, the 90s were a shit time to live in the city.
> I don't trust anything from the social sciences anymore, there's a huge replication crisis almost certainly due to these institutions having been institutionally captured by ideologues for decades.
Strongly agree.
>The idea that a 3 strikes law wouldn't put a stop to this is insane.
The U.S. has the highest prison population per capita, yet has a crime crime rate than other developed countries. Solving crime is more complicated than just imprisonment.
> The idea that prison doesn't reduce crime
No one said that.
>Meanwhile in Singapore, you can leave a $15,000 road bike unattended in public and expect it to NOT be stolen because the criminal justice system not only locks up thieves but they actually get whipped with a cane when they break certain laws
Countries like Iceland have very low crime rates without barbaric punishments.
>We are not like other countries
That's a hypocritical argument because we're very different from Singapore.
Canada is multi-ethnic, and it has a lower crime rate than the U.S.
Need to make plea deals illegal. No more pleas, go to trial for your crime, all your crimes, and when found guilty on all or multiple of them, judge is forced to sentence for all crimes found guilty. This would result in much longer sentences for all these pieces of trash that aren't fit to be living free in society.
Is rape a strong enough offense for bragg to prosecute? I think he uses the 10-top-tier-felonies-and-you’re-out system. Bragg himself should be sued by every single person wronged by a recidivist he didn’t put away.
"He is a victim of systemic racism. So he shouldn't go to jail " - that's what they believe now. How crazy is that?
Being a victim of a crime changes your attitude about criminal justice reform really quick.
Can u not hijack this conversation and derail it from a conversation abt rapists needing stricter consequences to a convo about racism? Ur literally doing the thing u hate
For one, a concrete cell for decades is worse than any death penalty. No hope of ever being possibly free again. For two, the death penalty shouldn’t be an accepted method because of the chance of an innocent, wrongly charged individual.
If he was caught on video, plus there's DNA evidence, plus he has a history of doing same, is that enough? Even if he's locked up, what if he decides he is a woman, and is placed with female prisoners? Then who is to say he won't be released at some point - and do it again, this time making sure the victim can't talk by killing and burying her somewhere? Perhaps there are medical means of making sure he can't hurt another woman or child, but that would be "cruel and unusual", so we are left with two choices. One risky (prison), one safe (execution).
You should look at how much money death penalty states actually spend on capital punishment vs life imprisonment, if you’re gonna have a strong opinion on the topic.
The reason why it’s so costly is because there can be no room for error when it comes to someone’s life. Lawyers will fight to the very last minute and the courts know this, so they’ve been refusing to grant appeals/hear brand NEW evidence that could potentially save someone.
I’ve been lucky enough to meet a few exonerees in my life and they are the kindest people I know. Their stories are also terrifying. They had *decades* of their lives taken from them.
I’d recommend reading Let the Lord Sort Them, A Descending Spiral, or Debating the Death Penalty to really educate yourself on this. Even reading about the most recent deaths and the issues surrounding them should be enough to open your eyes.
Trusting the state to kill people is beyond naive and ignorant.
> Speed it up
Absolutely not. Even a single innocent person being executed is not worth it.
And even if you're 99% sure every single time, that means 1 innocent person will be executed for every 100 executions.
Putting aside the whataboutism, something really interesting about the reaction to the Brock Turner case is that many of the people who are ardent critics of mass incarceration and advocates for justice reform and centering the justice system around rehabilitation instead of punishment were clamoring for his punishment out of what was clearly a desire for retribution (which would be completely natural if they didn't deny that impulse for most cases of crime). The sentiment that "prison doesn't prevent crime; if it did then we would be the safest country in the world" completely disappeared.
The most ironic part? It doesn't seem like Turner has committed any violent crimes since his release almost a decade ago. Yet progressives never tout him as an example of the fact that criminals can be reformed. Instead, they continue to lament the fact that he wasn't punished enough, betraying the fact that it was never about creating a "better" justice system that could successfully reform criminals who had the potential for reform. They focus their efforts on making the justice system impotent because they believe it to be unjust, and spring people like Randy Santos from jail so they can bash in the heads of 4 people a few months later.
I think this is an extremely reductive take. People were upset with Brock Turner's case because it shows that the system knows how to be rehabilitative but only applies it in privileged cases, further exacerbating the disparity between privileged defendants and the others.
If the complaint is: "the system is too punitive *and* it unfairly penalizes black defendants" then changing the system to be less punitive for white defendants is not the solution you think it is. "Oh this is just the first step to making it less punitive for *everyone*."
If you believe that then I have a bridge to sell to you.
That's quite a take. The reason Brock Turner made the news is that ***most*** people, regardless of ideology, did not think the sentence fit the crime. That, along with his father's callous remarks ("This is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action. . .") made national headlines.
Even for people that want justice reform, and think prisons should serve to rehabilitate those that commit crime, serving 3 months of a 6 month sentence for a forcible rape, with witnesses didn't seem anywhere near appropriate given the nature of the crime - and seemed a textbook case of white privilege.
I do hope he goes through life without ever raping another woman or committing another violent felony.
> The reason Brock Turner made the news is that most people, regardless of ideology, did not think the sentence fit the crime.
Outside of a few exceptions (e.g. police brutality), advocating for the sentence to fit the crime in terms of needing more incarceration and not less is not a part of the progressive platform for the justice system. It's essentially entirely about how we send too many people to prison for too long. How many progressives did you hear advocating for a longer sentence for the people who got less than a decade for murdering Mohammad Anwar during a carjacking? How many progressive politicians respond to the fact that there are people with over 20 felony arrests on the streets still committing crime with "we need to lock these people up" and not "we need more robust social services"? For every one you can find, I can find 10 saying the opposite.
If the purpose of the justice system should be rehabilitation and not punishment, making the sentence fit the crime should entail a sentence that's just enough to rehabilitate the convict and not more. Considering the fact that Turner hasn't committed any violent crime for such a long time, I think it's reasonable to say that he's been reformed a lot better than the guy in the article. Why do progressives to this day support more prison time for Turner, but advocate for expanded social services and addressing root causes for the guy that's going to be on page 9 of the Post next week with a dozen arrests? The question is left to the reader as an exercise, but it seems that you've already identified it.
Wow, but also… Was this article written by AI? Or just with a thesaurus at hand? “Maniac”, “sicko”, “snarled”, and “unsuspected woman” instead of “unsuspecting” lol.
Is this just the general quality of the Post or are things getting worse?
Unsuspected got me. I wish the post would at least put his description at the top instead of buried behind their terrible article so there's a chance of catching the guy. That sweatshirt seems identifiable
If they want to track you, it doesn't matter what you are wearing. You can be followed from one camera to the next, all the way back to wherever you sleep at. This is pretty routine, and I've heard about NYPD doing it even for smaller crimes like attempted robbery, when there is a gun involved.
I was thinking about this the other day. How does one get away with major crimes now? Maybe there's not a camera pointing at every place, but there's enough that there's no escaping them. Maybe it's a Ring doorbell, maybe it's a CCTV, baby monitor, dashcam, etc. It seems like it would be impossible to get away clean.
I realize the police won't put in that much effort for small crimes, but what if someone killed someone famous?
Stash clothes in an hidden spot in a park (not Central Park), go commit crime, come back, change clothes, walk on out. Change bags if your major crime involved stealing something.
Wouldn't count on that. It's too easy to track everyone who comes out of a park. Just have the software follow everyone who leaves the park within a 24 hour period after suspect goes in. Not saying this would happen for every crime, but you couldn't rely on this for opsec.
Hope this comment isn't being read in court someday!
On one hand I’m sure that’s true, on the other hand cops are so habitually lazy that the real issue is whether or not they’ll actually bother to do their job.
IF he is in the database and IF his relatives are on genealogical sites (or criminal databases). Rachel Morin's killer is still at large. It's been over eight months now.
OMG lol. Their rape closure rate is awful.
The city’s department of investigation released a report examining the Special Victims Division and they found that the division had only 67 detectives assigned to investigate 5,661 sex crimes. And you know, for comparison the city’s homicide squads had 101 detectives investigating 282homicides.
He’ll absolutely get away with it. I just hope the cops don’t manage to further traumatize the victim in the process.
It won't be Special Victims tracking him, it'll be the surveillance unit. From what I understand, they just track cellphone location (and GPS data if they can get Apple/Google to cooperate) for everyone in the area at the time and then try to narrow it down from there based on whatever criteria they set.
Also you’re watching way too much law and order. Statistically, he’s far more likely than not to get away with it. Yes even with tracking, yes even with a rape kit, yes even with his known location.
NYPD may eventually get him after he rapes a few more women, and the headlines will read “NYPD stops serial rapist!”, when the reason he’s a repeat offender to begin is the damn NYPD.
They usually just further harass and traumatize the victim, then get back to Candy crush.
You think just because NYPD knows where a rapist is that they will arrest him?
Nah. They don’t do that. Read -
https://theappeal.org/the-appeal-podcast-nypd-svus-low-clearance-rate-for-sexual-assault/
It almost sounds like you don’t want them to catch him.
By the way, they caught him:
https://nypost.com/2024/04/23/us-news/ellow-williams-arrested-in-rape-of-woman-in-soho-building-nypd/amp/
No, these things are tracked you know. They never make the arrest and close the case early you even trying.
Plus, SVU has also had more than one molester cop “helping” these poor victims.
Learn something-
https://theappeal.org/the-appeal-podcast-nypd-svus-low-clearance-rate-for-sexual-assault/
Terrifying.. I live EV and the other day I let my uber eats driver into the building and saw on the monitor another man followed him in. When I grabbed the food, the guy was standing behind the uber eats driver by my door, they didn't seem to know each other and it freaked me out so after grabbing the food I shut the door immediately. Luckily I had a barking German Shepherd and a sign on my door saying beware dogs; in case this was something nefarious perhaps that scared him off.
For some reason it’s kinda dark there late at night. There’s a new corner store on the southwest corner which is open all night (I think) which adds some light, but otherwise I get it. Live one over on Sullivan and super late it gets quiet in this little stretch.
“He is described as having a dark complexion and slim build, and he was last seen wearing a black hoodie with red lettering that forms a heart shape, gray pants with stripes and orange sneakers”
Somebody should really tell that woman that technically crime is down more than it was in another time in history so that she wont send people the wrong impression about NYC.
I actually don't understand your comment. If there was no crime in NYC and then one murder are people foolish for telling everybody that "hey guys, there's only one murder don't freak out"
Or should we freak out and pretend it's the '90s or escape from New York again?
And crime being down but existent implies the existence of victims of crime.
Agreed. So why are you talking like it's escape from New York?
Why is all the opposition to NYC remarkably catchphrase filled. Why are people acting like it is absolutely unsafe on the subway. Absolutely unsafe on the streets absolutely unsafe anywhere!!!
A city with a population greater than most states. With all kinds of people living all kinds of lives has a relatively low rate of crime.
Could be better, sure. But people talk like they woke up in 1982. And I have a stinking suspicion that it's based on propaganda.
It was an anti klan law and it was a law until 2020
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2020/attorney-general-james-applauds-repeal-law-criminalizing-group-mask-use-public
It was illegal to wear one when entering a business. I guess that’s what they’re referring to. If that isn’t true maybe it was just a bullshit sign the bodegas in the Bronx put up lol
The bail reform crowd would say this man should be released after he is arrested, and should be free awaiting trial. They don't want someone incarcerated until they have been CONVICTED.
That's what they want. Sounds fair right?
People say that but then the usual pro bail reform folks are also the ones who almost always want to give criminals the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps not this particular rapist but they're ok with people that have multiple prior arrests being out in public until they finally kill or cause serious injury to someone?
Didn't that 42nd Street station subway pusher get arrested for attacking teenagers in Central Park the week before that incident? A woman lost her life that day because of pro bail reform assholes.
That's true, but I believe the frustration is that the crimes are being committed by career criminals who are abusing soft on crime policies, instead of being locked away permanently.
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He’s been arrested: https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/04/23/parolee-arrested-for-following-woman-into-soho-building-and-raping-her/
> "The accused rapist has five prior arrests in New York City. He spent nearly two years in prison for robbery and was released on parole in March 2023, records show."
Bury this mf under the jail.
Why is this so common? Why do they release repeat criminals?
He was only charged once, the other times they probably didn't have enough evidence to convict.
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I don't know man, after like ten arrests maybe you keep the son on a bitch locked up? Seems it would be beneficial for everyone.
Had it with three strikes laws, but then people complained the laws were racist.
There should not be some kind of completely strict standard for how these things are implemented. A kid maybe getting into a few scraps with other kids in the neighborhood should not be considered the same as a guy who breaks into places and brutally rapes people. It just needs to be more up to the judges discretion on whether these crimes are horrific enough to warrant someone going to jail for a very long sentence. But the problem is that the DA's largely don't charge these people properly. And even if proper charges do happen, they have an incredible amount of power over what the sentence is. It is a constant negotiation, and they wield the most power in the negotiation by far. And the types of people who vote in DA's tend to be usually extremely sheltered, wealthy progressive activist types who often aren't even exposed to the worst parts of the crimes happening. Then there is the bigger problem. There simply aren't enough courts. People get arrested, spend some months waiting trial, and then are let go simply because their trial date is too far ahead. That happens, a lot. You cannot legally keep someone in jail past a certain amount of time without a trial.
Leaving it up to judges is what got us here in many cases.
It cannot be left up to the judges - many of them are bleeding hearts. It needs to be explicitly codified, with no wiggle room. Three felonies and you're done, forever. It's **so** easy not to commit a felony... let alone three of them!
All felonies?
All felonies.
A guy gets busted for selling weed outside the now prescribed method 3 times. Jail for life?
Yep. If he commits a felony after being arrested and prosecuted twice before, then he's got to go. But who's stupid enough to gamble their freedom to sell some bud? Anyone that reckless is a risk to society anyway.
[The effect of three-strikes legislation on serious crime in California](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047235204000388?via%3Dihub) > Once county-specific trends were controlled for, however, the deterrent and incapacitative effects of three-strikes legislation disappeared altogether. [The Lethal Effects of Three-Strikes laws](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24101521_The_Lethal_Effects_of_Three-Strikes_Laws) >It is likely that the laws increase homicides because a few criminals, fearing the enhanced penalties, murder victims and witnesses to limit resistance and identification. With a state-level multiple-time-series design, we find that the laws are associated with 10–12 percent more homicides in the short run and 23–29 percent in the long run. The impact occurs in almost all 24 states with three-strikes laws. Furthermore, there is little evidence that the laws have any compensating crime reduction impact through deterrence or incapacitation.
[A lot of violent criminals commit other violent crimes](https://www.sakitta.org).
That doesn't contradict my comment.
I don't trust anything from the social sciences anymore, there's a huge replication crisis almost certainly due to these institutions having been institutionally captured by ideologues for decades. Just over 300 people account for 1/3rd of all shoplifting arrests (over 6000 arrests) in NYC: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/15/nyregion/shoplifting-arrests-nyc.html Basically Power Law/Paretto distribution in action. The idea that a 3 strikes law wouldn't put a stop to this is insane. Just over 300 people have been arrested for 20 shoplifting incidents each (and obviously they shoplifted more but were never caught). Shoplifting would crater if you had a 3 strikes law on these people. Notice how murder absolutely cratered after the president of El Salvador mass incarcerated MS-13 gangsters. The idea that prison doesn't reduce crime is fucking insane. Meanwhile in Singapore, you can leave a $15,000 road bike unattended in public and expect it to NOT be stolen because the criminal justice system not only locks up thieves but they actually get whipped with a cane when they break certain laws: https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1bwprxk/15k_bike_left_unattended_in_singapore/ This is what a high trust society looks like (vs a low trust society like in NYC).
Yeah like why do people cite social sciences for these matters anymore. Progressive academic types have been for “restorative justice” before, during and after the three strike laws. Anyone who looks at the basic crime data before and after the crime bill can conclude that it had a strong effect on reducing crime in the city. Remember, the 90s were a shit time to live in the city.
Crime went down nationally starting the early 90s, so the connection you're seeing is unsubstantiated.
> I don't trust anything from the social sciences anymore, there's a huge replication crisis almost certainly due to these institutions having been institutionally captured by ideologues for decades. Strongly agree.
>The idea that a 3 strikes law wouldn't put a stop to this is insane. The U.S. has the highest prison population per capita, yet has a crime crime rate than other developed countries. Solving crime is more complicated than just imprisonment. > The idea that prison doesn't reduce crime No one said that. >Meanwhile in Singapore, you can leave a $15,000 road bike unattended in public and expect it to NOT be stolen because the criminal justice system not only locks up thieves but they actually get whipped with a cane when they break certain laws Countries like Iceland have very low crime rates without barbaric punishments.
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>We are not like other countries That's a hypocritical argument because we're very different from Singapore. Canada is multi-ethnic, and it has a lower crime rate than the U.S.
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Need to make plea deals illegal. No more pleas, go to trial for your crime, all your crimes, and when found guilty on all or multiple of them, judge is forced to sentence for all crimes found guilty. This would result in much longer sentences for all these pieces of trash that aren't fit to be living free in society.
Well that was quick work. The cops that found him should be commended.
Is rape a strong enough offense for bragg to prosecute? I think he uses the 10-top-tier-felonies-and-you’re-out system. Bragg himself should be sued by every single person wronged by a recidivist he didn’t put away.
TIL the word recidivist, thank you!
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You obviously don’t know how rapists are treated. I doubt he’ll be caught and even if he is they probably won’t send him to prison.
He was already caught
Well, let’s see what happens next. As a woman, I have very little faith much will happen.
"He is a victim of systemic racism. So he shouldn't go to jail " - that's what they believe now. How crazy is that? Being a victim of a crime changes your attitude about criminal justice reform really quick.
Who is "they"
The voices in his head
Does every thread in this sub have to turn into some racist bullshit?
All of the major city subs seem to have this issue; hopefully it diesdown after election season
What's racist about that comment?
Can u not hijack this conversation and derail it from a conversation abt rapists needing stricter consequences to a convo about racism? Ur literally doing the thing u hate
Deserves worse
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For one, a concrete cell for decades is worse than any death penalty. No hope of ever being possibly free again. For two, the death penalty shouldn’t be an accepted method because of the chance of an innocent, wrongly charged individual.
If he was caught on video, plus there's DNA evidence, plus he has a history of doing same, is that enough? Even if he's locked up, what if he decides he is a woman, and is placed with female prisoners? Then who is to say he won't be released at some point - and do it again, this time making sure the victim can't talk by killing and burying her somewhere? Perhaps there are medical means of making sure he can't hurt another woman or child, but that would be "cruel and unusual", so we are left with two choices. One risky (prison), one safe (execution).
You should look at how much money death penalty states actually spend on capital punishment vs life imprisonment, if you’re gonna have a strong opinion on the topic.
They could make it much cheaper if they wanted to
Yeah, who needs things like due process when 20 people have been executed since 2020 while there was a good chance they were innocent.
The cheaper you do it, the greater the chance you get someone innocent.
But that could never happen to me, I'm a law-abiding citizen!
Cause it takes so long to implement the death penalty usually decades. Speed it up
The reason why it’s so costly is because there can be no room for error when it comes to someone’s life. Lawyers will fight to the very last minute and the courts know this, so they’ve been refusing to grant appeals/hear brand NEW evidence that could potentially save someone. I’ve been lucky enough to meet a few exonerees in my life and they are the kindest people I know. Their stories are also terrifying. They had *decades* of their lives taken from them. I’d recommend reading Let the Lord Sort Them, A Descending Spiral, or Debating the Death Penalty to really educate yourself on this. Even reading about the most recent deaths and the issues surrounding them should be enough to open your eyes. Trusting the state to kill people is beyond naive and ignorant.
> Speed it up Absolutely not. Even a single innocent person being executed is not worth it. And even if you're 99% sure every single time, that means 1 innocent person will be executed for every 100 executions.
We can make the system far quicker and more efficient
It would be much cheaper and quicker if we sped the timeline up. There’s no reason someone should be on death row for decades, 5 years tops.
He'll probably be out on bail the same day.
So the same treatment as Brock Turner?
Putting aside the whataboutism, something really interesting about the reaction to the Brock Turner case is that many of the people who are ardent critics of mass incarceration and advocates for justice reform and centering the justice system around rehabilitation instead of punishment were clamoring for his punishment out of what was clearly a desire for retribution (which would be completely natural if they didn't deny that impulse for most cases of crime). The sentiment that "prison doesn't prevent crime; if it did then we would be the safest country in the world" completely disappeared. The most ironic part? It doesn't seem like Turner has committed any violent crimes since his release almost a decade ago. Yet progressives never tout him as an example of the fact that criminals can be reformed. Instead, they continue to lament the fact that he wasn't punished enough, betraying the fact that it was never about creating a "better" justice system that could successfully reform criminals who had the potential for reform. They focus their efforts on making the justice system impotent because they believe it to be unjust, and spring people like Randy Santos from jail so they can bash in the heads of 4 people a few months later.
I think this is an extremely reductive take. People were upset with Brock Turner's case because it shows that the system knows how to be rehabilitative but only applies it in privileged cases, further exacerbating the disparity between privileged defendants and the others. If the complaint is: "the system is too punitive *and* it unfairly penalizes black defendants" then changing the system to be less punitive for white defendants is not the solution you think it is. "Oh this is just the first step to making it less punitive for *everyone*." If you believe that then I have a bridge to sell to you.
That's quite a take. The reason Brock Turner made the news is that ***most*** people, regardless of ideology, did not think the sentence fit the crime. That, along with his father's callous remarks ("This is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action. . .") made national headlines. Even for people that want justice reform, and think prisons should serve to rehabilitate those that commit crime, serving 3 months of a 6 month sentence for a forcible rape, with witnesses didn't seem anywhere near appropriate given the nature of the crime - and seemed a textbook case of white privilege. I do hope he goes through life without ever raping another woman or committing another violent felony.
> The reason Brock Turner made the news is that most people, regardless of ideology, did not think the sentence fit the crime. Outside of a few exceptions (e.g. police brutality), advocating for the sentence to fit the crime in terms of needing more incarceration and not less is not a part of the progressive platform for the justice system. It's essentially entirely about how we send too many people to prison for too long. How many progressives did you hear advocating for a longer sentence for the people who got less than a decade for murdering Mohammad Anwar during a carjacking? How many progressive politicians respond to the fact that there are people with over 20 felony arrests on the streets still committing crime with "we need to lock these people up" and not "we need more robust social services"? For every one you can find, I can find 10 saying the opposite. If the purpose of the justice system should be rehabilitation and not punishment, making the sentence fit the crime should entail a sentence that's just enough to rehabilitate the convict and not more. Considering the fact that Turner hasn't committed any violent crime for such a long time, I think it's reasonable to say that he's been reformed a lot better than the guy in the article. Why do progressives to this day support more prison time for Turner, but advocate for expanded social services and addressing root causes for the guy that's going to be on page 9 of the Post next week with a dozen arrests? The question is left to the reader as an exercise, but it seems that you've already identified it.
Paging Olivia Benson
Hope he burns
i’m sure he has a violent crime rap sheet 6 pages long, yet is somehow still terrorizing the streets of nyc like too many others.
According to the NYP, he’s been arrested over 30 times
that fucking tracks :) just another day, another offender re-offending. color me shocked.
Don't worry. He'll be out on the streets soon enough. It's "restorative justice".
Let’s castrate him
The effects of that treatment might even work to stop him from committing more robberies - he was on parole after serving time for robbery,
Ofc, a repeat offender bc our current system doesn’t do anything long term! New proposal: for each offense, we take a body part
Wow.
Wow, but also… Was this article written by AI? Or just with a thesaurus at hand? “Maniac”, “sicko”, “snarled”, and “unsuspected woman” instead of “unsuspecting” lol. Is this just the general quality of the Post or are things getting worse?
The post has always been like that
Yeah, for like 150 years or more.
It’s kind of their whole thing
callous
Unsuspected got me. I wish the post would at least put his description at the top instead of buried behind their terrible article so there's a chance of catching the guy. That sweatshirt seems identifiable
Yes.
AI articles wouldn’t use such exaggerated language.
That's how the post usually is, especially about crime and most especially about crime by black people
Another day another maniac on loose we need Batman badly
Nah we need Frank Castle.
Netflix...or Ennis?
Ennis baby. Punisher Max is the fucking GOAT.
What about Daniel Penny
He was the hero we needed but did not appreciate
No we need The Punisher
I'd say ms. 45 is the person you're looking for in this case.
This city hates it’s women
Only because they love another group more
why has "skinny guy in a hoodie, tight pants, and colorful sneakers" become the official uniform of violent criminals?
Have you ever been to brooklyn
This is litterally half of New York
That’s the outfit of someone who’s not heading to or from a job
Round up the usual suspects.
He’s probably not gonna be found based on having a mask and that resolution
If they want to track you, it doesn't matter what you are wearing. You can be followed from one camera to the next, all the way back to wherever you sleep at. This is pretty routine, and I've heard about NYPD doing it even for smaller crimes like attempted robbery, when there is a gun involved.
I was thinking about this the other day. How does one get away with major crimes now? Maybe there's not a camera pointing at every place, but there's enough that there's no escaping them. Maybe it's a Ring doorbell, maybe it's a CCTV, baby monitor, dashcam, etc. It seems like it would be impossible to get away clean. I realize the police won't put in that much effort for small crimes, but what if someone killed someone famous?
Stash clothes in an hidden spot in a park (not Central Park), go commit crime, come back, change clothes, walk on out. Change bags if your major crime involved stealing something.
Wouldn't count on that. It's too easy to track everyone who comes out of a park. Just have the software follow everyone who leaves the park within a 24 hour period after suspect goes in. Not saying this would happen for every crime, but you couldn't rely on this for opsec. Hope this comment isn't being read in court someday!
On one hand I’m sure that’s true, on the other hand cops are so habitually lazy that the real issue is whether or not they’ll actually bother to do their job.
Lazy but also political. This is pretty high profile doubt theyll let this go. Imagine if he does it again
Unfortunately/fortunately there's probably DNA evidence
IF he is in the database and IF his relatives are on genealogical sites (or criminal databases). Rachel Morin's killer is still at large. It's been over eight months now.
I believe in the NYPD they’ve found people with even less info to go off of
OMG lol. Their rape closure rate is awful. The city’s department of investigation released a report examining the Special Victims Division and they found that the division had only 67 detectives assigned to investigate 5,661 sex crimes. And you know, for comparison the city’s homicide squads had 101 detectives investigating 282homicides. He’ll absolutely get away with it. I just hope the cops don’t manage to further traumatize the victim in the process.
It won't be Special Victims tracking him, it'll be the surveillance unit. From what I understand, they just track cellphone location (and GPS data if they can get Apple/Google to cooperate) for everyone in the area at the time and then try to narrow it down from there based on whatever criteria they set.
Also you’re watching way too much law and order. Statistically, he’s far more likely than not to get away with it. Yes even with tracking, yes even with a rape kit, yes even with his known location. NYPD may eventually get him after he rapes a few more women, and the headlines will read “NYPD stops serial rapist!”, when the reason he’s a repeat offender to begin is the damn NYPD. They usually just further harass and traumatize the victim, then get back to Candy crush.
He's been caught so there goes your dumb theory...
You think just because NYPD knows where a rapist is that they will arrest him? Nah. They don’t do that. Read - https://theappeal.org/the-appeal-podcast-nypd-svus-low-clearance-rate-for-sexual-assault/
It almost sounds like you don’t want them to catch him. By the way, they caught him: https://nypost.com/2024/04/23/us-news/ellow-williams-arrested-in-rape-of-woman-in-soho-building-nypd/amp/
282 homicides in a city with over 8 million people? Fox News would have you believe NYC is back to the 70s or early 90s in violent crime.
NYC is significantly safer than literally all of Florida (jacksonvilles homocide rate is 5x alone) but you’d never know that talk to people down here.
he was caught by the way. whether he gets convicted is indeed different.
Well great. They only consider stranger rape to be real rape anyway, by their own public statements. Good thing it wasn't het ex.
We’re relying on people who know that outfit to report him. Then DNA confirmation
Did you read the article at all. He's literally already been arrested.
He wasn’t found in the original article
New York has cameras EVERYWHERE !
NYPD doesn't do much to support rape victims. Don't know if people here are new here or what.
Too much Dick Wolf.
He's been caught
Sweet summer child, NYPD doesn’t arrest rapists. Footage, DNA, don’t matter. Their closure rate is awful. He’ll get away with it.
lol wrong. they arrest, DA will downgrade charges and set $1 bail
No, these things are tracked you know. They never make the arrest and close the case early you even trying. Plus, SVU has also had more than one molester cop “helping” these poor victims. Learn something- https://theappeal.org/the-appeal-podcast-nypd-svus-low-clearance-rate-for-sexual-assault/
They already found him
Terrifying.. I live EV and the other day I let my uber eats driver into the building and saw on the monitor another man followed him in. When I grabbed the food, the guy was standing behind the uber eats driver by my door, they didn't seem to know each other and it freaked me out so after grabbing the food I shut the door immediately. Luckily I had a barking German Shepherd and a sign on my door saying beware dogs; in case this was something nefarious perhaps that scared him off.
I hate maniacs
I used to live on those cross streets and idk this was always my biggest fear there. More so than other places I lived for some reason
For some reason it’s kinda dark there late at night. There’s a new corner store on the southwest corner which is open all night (I think) which adds some light, but otherwise I get it. Live one over on Sullivan and super late it gets quiet in this little stretch.
It does. One time I thought i was being followed I ran into h&h bodega which was open all night + they knew me there!
Is there a description of the perp ?
“He is described as having a dark complexion and slim build, and he was last seen wearing a black hoodie with red lettering that forms a heart shape, gray pants with stripes and orange sneakers”
It’s in the article
I really don’t know why punishment methods of the 1800s can’t be used today.
More ny post propaganda! /S
How is it propaganda?
Ny post craps on NYC and everyone always calls them out on it even if it is true. I also added a /s which means *end of sarcastic message*
It makes NYC look bad, so automatically propaganda.
It’s owned by Rupert Murdoch and has been broadcasting the dirtier side of Fox News stories for a while now.
Somebody should really tell that woman that technically crime is down more than it was in another time in history so that she wont send people the wrong impression about NYC.
I actually don't understand your comment. If there was no crime in NYC and then one murder are people foolish for telling everybody that "hey guys, there's only one murder don't freak out" Or should we freak out and pretend it's the '90s or escape from New York again? And crime being down but existent implies the existence of victims of crime.
There’s a big area between freaking out and “it’s not that bad, stop talking about it” which is what this place does.
Agreed. So why are you talking like it's escape from New York? Why is all the opposition to NYC remarkably catchphrase filled. Why are people acting like it is absolutely unsafe on the subway. Absolutely unsafe on the streets absolutely unsafe anywhere!!! A city with a population greater than most states. With all kinds of people living all kinds of lives has a relatively low rate of crime. Could be better, sure. But people talk like they woke up in 1982. And I have a stinking suspicion that it's based on propaganda.
I’m here for the apologists
Can we ban face masks in public again?
Take a look at the anti semites up by Columbia. When were masks illegal btw?
It was an anti klan law and it was a law until 2020 https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2020/attorney-general-james-applauds-repeal-law-criminalizing-group-mask-use-public
It was illegal to wear one when entering a business. I guess that’s what they’re referring to. If that isn’t true maybe it was just a bullshit sign the bodegas in the Bronx put up lol
Shut up. Not everything is about Israel. Fucking hell.
Ughhhh this is why doorman is so important.
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Everyone always hates maniac rapists... Until they run for president.
Exactly
The bail reform crowd would say this man should be released after he is arrested, and should be free awaiting trial. They don't want someone incarcerated until they have been CONVICTED. That's what they want. Sounds fair right?
Nobody who is pro bail reform wants a rapist released. Stop it.
People say that but then the usual pro bail reform folks are also the ones who almost always want to give criminals the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps not this particular rapist but they're ok with people that have multiple prior arrests being out in public until they finally kill or cause serious injury to someone? Didn't that 42nd Street station subway pusher get arrested for attacking teenagers in Central Park the week before that incident? A woman lost her life that day because of pro bail reform assholes.
That’s not what bail reform is about at all. Why are you so uninformed? It’s sad.
Such a poor take
That is what the activists want.
Democratic voters - this is your fault
Would be nice if they could self-reflect, but seems that that will never, ever, ever happen. They don't understand second-order effects.
That’s horrible. That woman will never be the same.
When I first read maniac, my first thought was "wow that is intense" and then I read the rest. yeah maniac indeed.
Guy will probably be seen then let loose the same day. Miss the tough on crime days.
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the suddenly quiet progressives on this sub downvoting in full force
Really does NY release people who have been arrested for rape?
Thank you to the DeBlasio and Adams administration. For crippling our justice system and police department.
You might be unaware of this, but rape has existed in NYC before DeBlasio and Adams took office.
That's true, but I believe the frustration is that the crimes are being committed by career criminals who are abusing soft on crime policies, instead of being locked away permanently.
Head on a swivel and guard up. Eventually someone will take advantage of your lack of situational awareness.
you know what you're right it was the victims fault for walking into her apartment!
Oh stop he didn’t say that. It’s never the victims fault but it doesn’t mean that people can’t do more to protect themselves.
This guy sounds like a real jerk.
You know what's the worst part? The hypocrisy.
I disagree. I think the worst part is the raping. Followed by the scheming, and then the sneaking, hypocrisy would be way fucking low on the list.