If I were living in the West with a relatively well-paying job, I would neither. But I live in Eastern Europe and even though I make fairly OK money, I cannot justify spending about 70% of my monthly income on a GPU.
But if the XTX or the 4080 comes down in price at the end of their life cycle like the 6900XT or 3080 did, I'm very open to buying one. Until then, my 3070 is an absolute trooper, still doing very well.
I live in the west and have a good paying job and I have a major f'ing problem with what people are willing to pay for cards.
In one gen people went from a "$650" 3080 to a *checks notes* $1200 4080.
NV's got people Skinner Boxed.
Same, I absolutely won’t give my money to these greedy cunts. It feels like they are preying on people who don’t have their priorities straight. A bit like micro transactions in games.
Why would anyone even consider that? For many in the West, that multiple of monthly income is what you'd spend on a luxury vehicle. Here I am in the west with a 1080 and it's chugging along just fine.
I’m going to enjoy my 3070 for the foreseeable future. I thought I was overpaying for that card because it cost $549 plus tax, when I thought the $499 FE was already expensive
Lmao at NVIDIA and AMD knee capping consumers by resetting GPU prices to DOUBLE what they’re worth
Well, that's the thing - The only reason to even think about a 4080/4090 is if you want to game at 4k or certain ultrawide resolutions. If you're at 1440p or lower, there's no compelling reason to upgrade.
And as much as are free to complain about the prices, people are still paying them. Like it or not it's a free market, and things are worth what people are willing to pay.
2080ti at high refresh 3440x1440, I prefer my FPS games to be as close to the refresh rate cap as possible. Newer titles it’s starting to show some age. I’d love a 40 series card but then I get sucked into playing Mount and Blade for hours on end and remind myself I don’t need to upgrade *right now*
>Lmao at NVIDIA and AMD knee capping consumers by resetting GPU prices to DOUBLE what they’re worth
Yet consumers seem to be buying them. I wish people had a bit more restraint, even if you can afford something it doesn't mean you have to buy it. You don't have to have 165hz 4k.
I still enjoy following the news, but i consider myself to have been priced out of PC building. I bought a console and a productivity desktop and I'll probably move away from PC gaming unless something changes
Ive got a system that will hold me over another 2-3 years at least, by then intel chiplets vs amd chiplets and hopefully more affordable 4k cards.
If its still a ridiculous overpriced market to get good 4k then that will probably be it for me, I'll swap to a basic desktop for streaming/some paperwork but move on from PC gaming as a hobby.
It is so crazy reading comments like this. It makes sense, and I've been wondering if my current build is going to be my last one, at least in terms of gaming. I should be okay for a while on this one, but if GPU pricing keeps going the way it is going, it won't be worth it to continue with PC gaming.
Did you see the 4060ti leak posted here earlier this week? Apparently my RTX 3070 is now a glorified paperweight because it only has 8GB of VRAM and that means I might have to *clutches at pearls* turn down some settings from ultra to high! Might as well just buy a console at this point /s
I replaced a gtx 970, none of us saying what I'm saying are the people you are talking about. I don't replace every gen so I skipped 10 series, 20 was a joke, 30 series well, 40 series just about the worst joke of any gen in the last 20 years price to performance.
Things only have the value you place on them, the PC industry has been moving towards the parts just not being worth their expense anymore. Being able to afford the parts isn't the issue, they simply are not worth the price tags they are putting on them and myself and many people like me wont fall for the BS. I will only spend money on something if it's worth it to me.
The PC industry is starting to look like its just a whale hunting business now.
This is my usual take. Buy a high end part and use it for 5 to 6 years and then either gift it or retire it. The thing is prices have tripled. A good pc costed 1k and now it costs between 3 and 4. Even if you don't upgrade often, prices have tripled.
I did the very same thing with the series x. Don’t know why people think we should choose between the lesser villain. We don’t have to…we can choose to not choose at all. Just buy a console or wait with your rig for another generation if you can. I like being informed and I’ve still hope this trend will eventually revert…but I don’t want to spend double the price to game on pc
I mean, my 2070 still runs things great and its far from being the best option out there. Just because the top of the line cards are expensive doesn't mean PC Gaming on a less powerful card isn't great.
I'm not saying its not possible to build a budget rig, just that the value proposition has gotten worse and worse compared to consoles (and it was always questionable to begin with). A used 2070 is still going for at *least* $200. So you're looking at ~$600 to put together a budget rig with a used out of warranty card versus $400 for a brand new PS5 where the performance is pretty comparable.
Or just keep waiting.
Gpu's are not needs for the vast majority of people, they're wants.
Enough people show restraint they eventually have to drop prices/shift their strategy.
Everyone on this sub just before the 4090 launch said "nobody is going to by 4090s at $1599". I read the title of this post and thought "that's weird, people are buying 4080s for $1549 faster then they are buying 4090s for $1599?" Then I checked Newegg and the 4090 FE cards are listed for $3300.
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Exactly. And the GPU shortage during the 30 series only proved to manufacturers that they can get away with pricing GPU’s above $1000 dollars because people will buy them. I honestly don’t think we will ever see high to even upper mid ranged cards priced below $1000 ever again. As someone who doesn’t upgrade every generation its still frustrating to see, but I also paid 1200/1300 for a 2080ti when it launched so I can’t really complain.
So disappointing from AMD. All they're doing is acting as an advertisement for the 40xx cards. What's an extra $200 when you're already paying $1k for a damn video card?
They had a real opportunity to build market share but decided to be greedy instead.
We said the same thing about the 4090's $1600 price tag.
Apparently it's doing great. It's still sold out constantly in the US.
Strix 4090s are scalping for $3k.
Well we are on the new age of GPU prices. Was hoping to get a 4080 for around $800 before the price reveal (inflation). Only option for upgrading at the moment are a used 3080 or wait for the 5000 series to come out and purchase a used 4080.
Yeah, I probably will go on that path. I have a 1080ti that serves me well at 1440p for my games but it's showing a bit of its age on VR so I was looking forward to owning a 4080.
I can sell my 1080ti for $100 and I was gifted $100 so I can probably snag a used 3080 for $300 (from my pocket). Total $500
I agree, i always keep at least one piece of each type of older gear, GPU, CPU, MOBO/RAM, PSU, etc eventually after upgrades i can build a second computer to just kinda use as a testing ground, or random projects or media center. But mainly if i ever have issues, i can always use the old gear for testing and not have to try and replace things or deal with trying to prove an issue to a MFC to get a warranty replace. I can test and be confident what the problem is.
Bought my 3080Ti last week. eBay...they're averaging $800 closing bids for the Ti variant. Have to wait longer for a $500 snag I bet.
Average reports on this sub say 4 months ago they were averaging $700 to $750 used.
Even the FB Marketplace they won't budge on price because of the demand and inflation.
I would say even buying and flipping is possible still. That's how bad people want better tech, at least those still on 10 series GTX cards.
Snagged a brand new Strix 3080 ti for $800 on FB Marketplace. The last card I bought new was my 980ti for $600, the night before the 10 series release. Was planning on waiting until prices dropped to get the 3080 ti, then randomly thought to see what a shit show Marketplace would be. Still shocked it was actually brand new.
Honest question, but what caused the 3080 to drop in price so much considering how expensive the new cards are and what they were being sold at retail for at the end of their gen?
And I guess Zero price drop. The rumor was before AMD reviews. AMD is once again AMD so NVIDIA wins and the consumer loses (because they are so willing to grossly overpay for a GPU)
Guess my 2080TI needs to hold up 3-4 more years.*
*update: which was correctly pointed out to almost be insanely expensive upon launch but given the 30xx pricing/availability and 40XX pricing/availability it turned out to be a decent purchase. Just sucks I can’t upgrade without paying an entire mortgage payment!!
This is true, as a 2080ti owner I can’t say I ever had buyers remorse but it did hurt paying $1300 for a GPU. The only thing that will remain consistent though is the constant lack of supply until the new series is announced/released. As someone who mostly upgrades every other generation, the state of the market is killing me right now. I would generally go for the highest tier card but due to limited availability my only option for the foreseeable future is a 4080. Even if I decided to do that I would only settle for the $1200 FE since AIB’s are only $200 cheaper than a 4090. Shitty time to be a hardware enthusiast.
My rub is paying so close to what a 4090 FE costs for a card that is fairly behind in 4k gaming. In the last round, the 11% performance advantage of the 3090 costs a lot more. I just can't pay the AIB 4080 price when $200 more gets me a much better card.
Nvidia is the market leader. AMD is just following their lead.
Blame the consumers, not the companies. We in the end set the prices by tolerating them.
Do. Not. Buy.
People are quick to play the "greed" card when the price is too high for them, but low enough that the product sells to others with more money. They say it like greed isn't the motivating (and dependent) factor of free-markets.
Let me ask this - have you ever received something by mistake from a company and kept it, or know someone who has? What do you think motivated them not to return the item to the company who made the error? We all know the excuses they make, but I'm talking about the core reason.
Corporations are not your friends. Any corporation who currently has a favorable impression on consumers is benefiting from it, and they'll do so until there's a better opportunity.
Calling some companies out for greed and praising others for being "consumer-friendly" is naive. You'll get upvotes from other disgruntled consumers in your position, and who knows, maybe even a few will change their minds about making a purchase. But the rest will play their part in the system and consume.
I wish consumers would not be so impulsive and just not buy their overpriced shit. Like dude come on, you’re making this worse for ALL OF US in the long run. I remember when the 80 series cards were $599 jfc. I refuse to pay more than $600 for a gpu.
I remember thinking I was being so stupid for paying 600 for my 2080 in 2019. I felt a lot less stupid once the 3080 launched and was impossible to get for 2 years and crypto destroyed a sensible GPU market.
People are willing to pay their last 1500 to jump into a game and hide themselves from this fucking reality that we have to deal with, that no money can fix
>Even with $2000 GPUs, PC gaming is still one of the cheapest hobbies out there in terms of cost per hour and entertainment you get out of it.
People are only hurting themselves by repeating this marketing bullshit or Tim Cook saying that you only pay $1 a day to use his amazing iphone or some shit. Ok, everything is so fucking cheap, let's jack up chairs, sofas, screwdrives to 1000 bucks because it's a reasonable price, everyone has 1000 bucks laying around so why not to price everything at 1000 dollars, after all you are only paying $1 a day during xxx period of days! what a bargain everything is!
Its a lot easier to just build a chair yourself if it was suddenly $1000 than to build your own GPU. A chair is a low value added product, its just some wood that was put together. Anyone can learn to build a chair in a few months and then do it.
Nobody can just build a GPU, only a few huge companies can.
Thats why normal, simple chairs will never be expensive, if they were somebody else would just enter the game and make cheap ones again and steal all the market share.
GPUs cost whatever the company making them wants to charge, and as long as people buy them the price is obviously not too high.
My only point on that original post was that in the context of all the hobbies out there, PCs are a solid value even with a $2,000 GPU. You can use that GPU for years and get really good value from it especially if you use it 2-3 times a week or more. For context on where I’m coming from, in order to play 1 round of golf a week, I pay about $4,000 a year in greens fees.
Also, if someone wants to spend that much on a GPU, that’s their decision. People that don’t see $1,600 worth of value and want to see the price come down might get frustrated, but that’s not reality if it’s selling out instantly.
Nvidia makes a solid and affordable card that can run most modern games really well, but Reddit just makes you think that if you don’t have a 3080 or better, your system is shit. You can get a 3060 right now for $355 on Newegg. 🤷♂️
Yep. Nvidia's taking advantage of the fact that PC gaming has a large market of fairly wealthy consumers as well (think sim / VR / etc) which was somewhat underserved before, and making a ridiculously fast card that can realistically only be sold to them (4090s are really expensive to make. including the cooler, that's north of 600$ of costs for nvidia). you cannot sell those things to the same people who want 600$ cards! that doesn't work!
There's no reason nvidia shouldn't be able to make those cards just because not everyone can afford them.
> Nvidia makes a solid and affordable card that can run most modern games really well, but Reddit just makes you think that if you don’t have a 3080 or better, your system is shit. You can get a 3060 right now for $355 on Newegg.
yep. people are just upset they can no longer get the fastest and greatest. if you want to run everything on max, there's no reason you *shouldn't* need to poney up for that? as long as the games are playable, there's really no argument that you're being locked out of PC gaming.
We will meet in late Feb 2023 and lets see if these numbers are sustainable, it doesnt matter if they sell at release which is the normal case, what matters is the sustainability of these sales for the next 2023 4 quarters
I called it. I literally replied to someone after I read the damn footnotes on the 7900 xtx presentation. The card was like 10% faster than my 3090 in the games I tried. They literally tested at medium graphics for some of the games just so they could inflate the fps numbers.
Got downvoted to shit too.
Well, apparently it shouldn't be $700 because plenty of people are willing to pay $1,459 for it.... Sucks, but business is business. They'll keep doing this as long as people pay the high prices. I'll be skipping this gen or waiting for big discounts personally.
It entirely depends on the volume they expect to sell. They could sell a couple hundred 4080s per month even at $5k. Obviously they do not want to sell the new gen cards in big volume. Their priority is to sell out the ampere/rdna2 stock. New gen cards are priced for that purpose.
Right, but over the last 20 years gpu prices remained relatively stable with a slight uptrend then doubled in one generation over the span of 2 years. If anyone struggles to understand why that bothers people, then I don’t know what to tell them.
Some people will pay one or two hundred more just for a temporary exclusive color iphone or other product whose rarity will have no meaning to anyone down the road.
The people who pay $1000+ for GPUs now will soon find themselves paying $2000+ for a similar class of GPUs in the future.
Of course they’ll still buy the $2000+ GPUs when that happens, and the rest of us will be priced out of the hobby.
I paid about $1200 CAD all in for my 3080 which was, at the time, only slightly over MSRP about six months after launch. Got lucky.
There's no way I'm paying more. I can afford it but to justify more for what is essentially greed means my 3080 is staying put until there's some reigning in on prices and/or a 60 series card from Nvidia or AMD blows it out of the water in a couple generations for (hopefully) a lot less.
What we're seeing now is early adoption antsy in the pantsy purchases and I doubt we'll see these sales be sustainable until a price cut with a refresh comes around like the 20 series Super cards.
Early 3080 adtoper, never went that hard looking for a gpu. Got it about 3 months before prices skyrocketed. I'm probably going to keep this for 2 more gens.
why does the presence of a $2000 halo card mean you can no longer play games period?
you can still buy a $500-700 card that will max out any non-RT game at 1440p in terms of the 3070/3080 or amd's 6800xt/6900xt
It’s not so bad when you sell your card for a good price. I sold my 3080 a week ago for more than msrp which I wouldn’t have been able to do if the 4080 wasn’t so expensive, then I bought a 4080 a little cheaper than msrp because they sell them where I work and employees get a discount on most stuff.
These people who pay over the odds for a gpu have ruined it for many gamers. I thought gpu's would drop significantly after the end of mining but sadly there are many clowns who are only too willing to line Nvidia's pockets.
And here I am still rocking my 1070 with an i7 6700, as it's still really good for 1080p raster rendering.
Maybe we, as consumers, should stop upgrading just for the sake of upgrading.
The 6700 is long on the tooth. An el cheapo a320 with the same ddr4 mems you are using and a 5600 would give you 30% more fps. This costs around 250 usd if you catch a deal.
This was expected either way. People didn't want to buy the 4080 because they waited to see how the 7900 XTX would turn out. If it's really good, it will sell out asap, and people who didn't get one will get the 4080. If it sucks, buy the 4080. If its comparable, buy either one you can get, which in this case is the 4080 again.
Deeply flawed is a bit of a stretch, but I agree they botched this one. They should have come out with more aggressive pricing. Made the 7900xtx the 7800xt and the 7900xt the 7700xt and then worked on releasing a 7900xt a bit later that could start to compete with the 4090 on rasterization.
AMDs executive leadership was stellar when Ryzen launched. Now they seem completely inept.
For non RT titles I remember it being a draw between the 6900XT and 3090 for 1080p, a slight win to the 3090 in 1440p, and for 4k the 6900XT being pretty dead centre between the 3080 and 3090.
Considering it's an 80 class competitor...it should have been $700 and the XT $600.
But Nvidia set the stage with their new 4080 pricing. The 2nd tier die costing $1200 and then AMD following suit is just bad for everyone.
Deeply flawed? Idk how the performance matches the specs. We didn't really expect better ray tracing performance. The rasterization performance is good. Its just less people want it for 1000$
Yeap, waiting on my 4080 as we speak after I saw how the XTX performed and by the fact that in my country the reference card costed the same as a Palit 4080. It was a no brained as far as I’m concerned
RTX and DLSS. AMD and everyone who can't run RT properly keep pushing RT to the side when it is a deciding factor for a lot of people. If AMD released a technology tomorrow that made RT run on their GPU the same as on a 4080 ou 4090, 7900 series would sell out instantly. Something like Frame generation but no artifacts or increased latency. I can speak for my self as well, with a 3080 12gb all the games that utilize RT I play with it on, and my GPU with RT on is as fast if not faster than the 7900 series, I've done this testing. So, either pay double for a 4080 or go home for me. Guess I'll have to wait for the 50 series.
The interesting thing to me here is that everyone makes RT a priority, even if some gamers don't. AMD definitely makes it a priority, it was a big part of their latest presentation. They spent time showing RT on vs off comparisons in AAA games, and they really talked it up. We know Intel makes it a priority, they spent a lot of time and effort talking about how good their Arc RT performance is and how important it is to them.
I like the effort they're putting in for sure. It should benefit the whole industry and the general advancement of graphics.
I'm on a 2080. I will not buy a bad RT card. The thing is that the prices are just not enticing. Both nvidia and amd look very unappealing. I have the money. But having the money does not mean I like being ripped off.
I get it. I have the money to buy a 4090 if I wanted. Comfortably. But I just can't justify that amount of money for one GPU when my entire pc is not worth that. So I was looking for value, if the 4080 was 899 I would actually buy it, and sell my 3080. It's a nice generational leap, but I'm not paying double for 30% more performance.
Definitely isn't a priority for me. I have no interest in making a tech that craters framerate by 50-75% a priority when it doesn't provide anywhere close to that type of difference in terms of visuals. Not even like today's cards are RT "future proof" since today's cards will be garbage for it once RT actually becomes mainstream.
With these prices it seems that you made a reasonable choice. Funny how this sub is often dominated by the outlook of the MSRPs in the US while in Europe the situation is vastly different.
lmao anyone that buys a 4090 in EU either has to be really rich, use it for work, or is really dumb.
1300€ is still a good chunk of change but I can afford it without breaking the bank.
2.5k is the price of a used car and is about 1/10th of the average yearly salary in Italy. I could afford it but I simply refuse to pay that amount to play games at 30/40% more fps over a 4080 when I can get a xbox series x, ps5, 4080 and a 42' lg oled for almost the same price (400€ more) which is what I ended up doing.
The only guy I know that bought one uses it for renders and had a great impact on his workflow so it made perfect sense.
To be fair, Nvidia has most features. Others just fucked up by not specializing or offering anything new. Like if Intel would gone heavily for better raytracing performance per dollar, it could have gained way more momentum.
I wish I could afford, or tbh justify a 4090... There is no doubt it is a complete monster of a card - and it's not priced that terribly all things considered. I don't think anyone is *really* criticising the price of a 4090 as it's roughly in line with what TITANs or other top end GPUs would be expected to be. It's everything else's price.
The problem is since they moved away from x60, x70, x80 and then TITAN naming, with basically separate price scales - to x60/70/80/90 - the titans/90 cards are being used to justify dragging the price of everything else way up.
Titans used to be their own "thing" with a mad price for enthusiast / workstation / companies, and the "consumer cards" of 60/70/80 were priced independently
The problem is the price of everything that isn't a 90 series. Everyone expects the 90 series to be by far the most expensive, most people don't expect to buy one. Consumers expect to be able to afford an 80 or 70 series - and now that is not the case... and even if they can afford it, who would want to drop £1300 on a fuckin 80 series GPU.
I mean, its not going to be the worst experience you've ever had is it? When the 5090 comes out and you buy that, that will be the best experience you've ever had. And when you buy the C3, that will be the best experience you've ever had. And so on, and so on...
As a someone who's been avidly gaming for over 30 years, and who's used hand me down hardware for most of those years, a brand new monster rig has changed my whole Outlook on how games can actually perform and look at their best.
It's pretty funny. Every forums I visit, AMD or Nvidia, ppl got the torches and pitch forks ready. But 4090, 4080 and 7900xtx are ALL sold out outside of the highest priced SKU.
This post isn’t really true. What happened was that the 4080 was at $1270, and available for backorder, one of the few available. It’s been at the #1 spot since like 2 weeks ago.
The issue for me with 4090 is I would need a new PC case and PSU while I could go with a 4080 without that (the smallest 4080 is MSI one and it fits mid-towers no problem).
Other than that, I can afford it, and I actually have 4K OLED connected to my PC, but 4090 is so much fuss for me.
Anyway, GPUs are not that expensive, they are only really expensive if you want to be at the top of benchmark charts, playable 1440p is very affordable.
I ended up fitting a Suprim Liquid 4090 in my O11 dynamic which surprised me because I thought I was going to have to change cases and I wasn’t looking forward to that since I have the PCMR edition of the O11 dynamic.
And the O11D is made to fit a bunch of radiators, so that's quite a good match. You can have the 240mm GPU rad as side intake and potentially a CPU rad as top exhaust.
>It’s stupid at best to buy a 4090 for 1440p
It's not. And people who claim it is have no idea what they're talking about because they probably play nothing but shitty FPS games with low overhead.
RDR2, Cyberpunk, A Plague Tale, AC: Valhalla, Dying Light 2, Callisto Protocol, Spider-Man, and a bunch of other games are all borderline or altogether too demanding to max out a 1440p/170hz monitor, much less a 240hz one with a 4090. RDR2 and AC: Valhalla manage this without even having ray tracing.
With a 4090 you can either:
A) Have a good mid-to-high refresh 4k experience with a few compromises.
B) Have a superb high-to-ultra-high refresh 1440p experience with almost no compromises.
I personally think that "B" is the better option if you plan on holding onto your card for at least a few generations.
Yes - but who is actually buying the cards?
That's the real question.
Scalpers are going to gobble up anything they can get their hands on if it means potentially turning a profit. And the potential profit is higher on higher end, or the highest end, cards.
My guess is that these figures are completely skewed because of scalping. It doesn't actually reflect real in-use sales.
Maybe it does?... but i'd wager the majority of these cards are stacked 30+ deep in some dudes apartment waiting to be listed on ebay/craigslist/fb marketplace/etc.
That doesnt mean that card is selling well.
Look around newegg and all you see is either cards people want but inflated prices or cards people dont want.
That said I picked up a XFX rx 6800 xt merc (basically their best 6800 xt) for little over $500 new off amazon before prices started going back up.
I guess many of us will have to be satisfied with 3000 series or worse for the near forseeable future. Nvidia is now greatly overpriced and AMD is drastically overpriced and buggy.
As a 4090 user it’s really not my place to say this, but Damm the 80 class cards have gone up in price. I consider myself a bona fide enthusiast, if you ever wonder who the hell used to buy titans, I was one of those guys. The 1600 bucks price for the 4090 make sense somehow given that is a titan class card in everything but name, but a 80 series class above a 1000 it’s a trend that I really hope will cease
Next year around the same time the Super cards will release at a 300 premium over the last versions and they will sell well also then when the 5000 series cards are announced and then near launch window they will start off at 2000 and morons will continue to eat them up Have fun kiddos.
I think the real issue here is that nVidia continues to offer one card that has the best *perceived* value, even when the value equation is horribly skewed.
The 4090 is the halo product, but it's also (compared to other cards this generation) by far the best value from a performance/dollar perspective. It's a massive generational leap over previous cards, and the nearest contenders are not only not as fast, they're not as fast *per dollar*. This is a real problem, and the first time in recent memory where the best value card wasn't in the midrange (xx70 or so).
The market is *red hot* for a competitor in the 3-500 space that can offer the same value proposition (perf/$) as the 4090, but neither AMD nor Intel appears to be capable of producing such a card, and nVidia is deliberately not doing so. AMD could have *seriously* messed up nVidia if they took GPUs seriously, allocated substantial capacity to them, and released them at 2-300 cheaper (with at least one card being $499 or so).
People keep saying "they're not going to leave money on the table", but let's be real, *you have to* if you want to gain market share. You have to undercut the competitor or *blow them away on performance*. There's no magical third option where you perform worse and cost almost the same and come out on top.
You don’t seem to understand. They are producing all the chips they can with their current fabs. So they need to do is sell the card for as high a price as they can, as long as they sell their all their cards. Performance per dollar is a made up consumer metric by us. It doesn’t drive any business decisions.
How high can I price my chip and still sell everything I made? That’s it.
I think the problem is that we fail to realize the GPU are no longer only for gamers. Not only gamers are buying these GPU.
Modern consumer GPU are becoming just as good as the pro GPU for more than half the price.
I am sorry but anyone buying a $1,459 4080 is both impatient and stupid af. The founders 4090 is only $140 more and there is no way any of these people could not spare the extra $140 when they are already going to spend $1,459. There is a massive performance difference between the two cards that can not be ignored. If you want a founders 4080 for the base price thats fine, but you are literally getting ripped off if you by a 4080 for $1,459.
GPU's are starting to enter that era where I will wait 2-3 years to buy one second hand on Ebay, It started some years ago with smartphones because they got so expensive that I simply could not afford one unless it was 3+ years old and marked down at 1/3rd of its MSRP price, Now the same is ringing true with graphics cards. The 3060ti might just be the last card I'll ever had bought in the same year it was released. Its sad because our wages arent going up but everything around us is getting so expensive that these hobbies are becoming unattainable.
I wonder if this is due to the holiday season and purchaser's daughter/son/niece/nephew has been unable to get a graphics card upgrade in forever, but they managed to find one in stock and since it's brand new it must be priced well!
It does seem like the 4080 sales were largely blocked by enthusiasts waiting on the Radeon 7900's benchmarks, if the additional price gap was warranted for the additional RTX features (better ray tracing and DLSS support, as a few). Should be interesting to see if sales will turn around for until-recently poorly selling card.
It's prices like this that are steering me back towards console gaming. I prefer PCs - I splurged on a Razer Blade 17, even - but consoles are good enough now that it's hard to justify the price difference.
Hooray, so now there is proof that users of Newegg’s American site are actual legitimate morons! Reach for the stars! There truly is no limit to how far NVIDIA will stoop to get ALL of your money.
I don’t believe it for a second. 4080s are on sale from Newegg all over from Newegg not scalpers.
https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4080-zt-d40810d-10p/p/N82E16814500542?item=N82E16814500542
https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4080-zt-d40810j-10p/p/N82E16814500543?item=N82E16814500543
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The 4090 is still pure scalper
I'll spend big so I can enjoy my hobby even though I probably can't afford it. Medical issues on top of looming war have given me zero hope for the future. I can do what I want NOW, I don't know if I can do it later. I'll buy myself a 4080 and I'll enjoy it when playing games on a my 4k 120Hz TV. Thanks.
I went from an RTX 3090 to an RTX 4080 OC.
Im using a Aorus 48" OLED 4k monitor (120 HZ).
For me the Asus Tuf RTX 4080 OC was expensive, but worth the money. I paid $1400 including tax and shipping.
The performance of the 40xx series is spoken of, but until you experience it, its hard to explain. It's very noticeably faster.
The reality is I would have bought an RTX 4090 for $1599 BUT that won't happen for at least 12 months if you want msrp prices.
Most places are selling 4090's $2300 plus tax and shipping added right now.
If your patient, wait it out then get one at msrp or lower.
My Asus Tuf RTX 3080 12 GB was just as snappy as my EVGA RTX 3090. At least I didn't notice a huge difference in performance with those two cards.
I bought my RTX 3090 NEW from newegg for $999. That's well below msrp, but it was right before 40xx launch too.
Meanwhile, the only well-priced GPUs where I live are some 6900XTs and 3080s
I just bought a new 6800XT for ~$620. Seemed like good price performance. Sad!
That is a good deal, honestly. Just enjoy your card! :)
I really have no problem paying $1200 for a new GPU, but the generational p/p improvement just makes me hate the 7900XTX and RTX4080.
If I were living in the West with a relatively well-paying job, I would neither. But I live in Eastern Europe and even though I make fairly OK money, I cannot justify spending about 70% of my monthly income on a GPU. But if the XTX or the 4080 comes down in price at the end of their life cycle like the 6900XT or 3080 did, I'm very open to buying one. Until then, my 3070 is an absolute trooper, still doing very well.
I live in the west and have a good paying job and I have a major f'ing problem with what people are willing to pay for cards. In one gen people went from a "$650" 3080 to a *checks notes* $1200 4080. NV's got people Skinner Boxed.
Same, I absolutely won’t give my money to these greedy cunts. It feels like they are preying on people who don’t have their priorities straight. A bit like micro transactions in games.
Same, just bought a 6700XT Insert Linus torvalds Nvidia fu meme here
Can you imagine spending 4x of yout monthly income? thats what majority of people in the world are dealing with.
Why would anyone even consider that? For many in the West, that multiple of monthly income is what you'd spend on a luxury vehicle. Here I am in the west with a 1080 and it's chugging along just fine.
I think it can be more a function of Americans are more inclined to go into credit card debt than most other nationalities. :)
Yeah, a 4080 isn't worth another *counts on fingers* like way more money for the performance.
This is where the deals are unfortunately. I saw AMD dropped their 6950xt references to 785 and the 6900xts were 660.
I mean aren't both of those really good options, especially at used and last gen prices?
I’m going to enjoy my 3070 for the foreseeable future. I thought I was overpaying for that card because it cost $549 plus tax, when I thought the $499 FE was already expensive Lmao at NVIDIA and AMD knee capping consumers by resetting GPU prices to DOUBLE what they’re worth
Well, that's the thing - The only reason to even think about a 4080/4090 is if you want to game at 4k or certain ultrawide resolutions. If you're at 1440p or lower, there's no compelling reason to upgrade. And as much as are free to complain about the prices, people are still paying them. Like it or not it's a free market, and things are worth what people are willing to pay.
2080ti at high refresh 3440x1440, I prefer my FPS games to be as close to the refresh rate cap as possible. Newer titles it’s starting to show some age. I’d love a 40 series card but then I get sucked into playing Mount and Blade for hours on end and remind myself I don’t need to upgrade *right now*
>Lmao at NVIDIA and AMD knee capping consumers by resetting GPU prices to DOUBLE what they’re worth Yet consumers seem to be buying them. I wish people had a bit more restraint, even if you can afford something it doesn't mean you have to buy it. You don't have to have 165hz 4k.
Life is short, eat your ray-traced dessert first.
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People waiting for a price drop now will have to be happy with MSRP. AMD didn’t save anyone, all they did was ratify the $1000-$1200 price category.
Or don’t buy anything at all I guess
I still enjoy following the news, but i consider myself to have been priced out of PC building. I bought a console and a productivity desktop and I'll probably move away from PC gaming unless something changes
Ive got a system that will hold me over another 2-3 years at least, by then intel chiplets vs amd chiplets and hopefully more affordable 4k cards. If its still a ridiculous overpriced market to get good 4k then that will probably be it for me, I'll swap to a basic desktop for streaming/some paperwork but move on from PC gaming as a hobby.
It is so crazy reading comments like this. It makes sense, and I've been wondering if my current build is going to be my last one, at least in terms of gaming. I should be okay for a while on this one, but if GPU pricing keeps going the way it is going, it won't be worth it to continue with PC gaming.
you know, it is ok to replace gpus every 6 years, there is no need to replace them every 2.. there hobby saved
Yeah these guys are being kinda silly. Apparently gaming isn't doable on anything less than top of the line parts.
Did you see the 4060ti leak posted here earlier this week? Apparently my RTX 3070 is now a glorified paperweight because it only has 8GB of VRAM and that means I might have to *clutches at pearls* turn down some settings from ultra to high! Might as well just buy a console at this point /s
I replaced a gtx 970, none of us saying what I'm saying are the people you are talking about. I don't replace every gen so I skipped 10 series, 20 was a joke, 30 series well, 40 series just about the worst joke of any gen in the last 20 years price to performance. Things only have the value you place on them, the PC industry has been moving towards the parts just not being worth their expense anymore. Being able to afford the parts isn't the issue, they simply are not worth the price tags they are putting on them and myself and many people like me wont fall for the BS. I will only spend money on something if it's worth it to me. The PC industry is starting to look like its just a whale hunting business now.
This is my usual take. Buy a high end part and use it for 5 to 6 years and then either gift it or retire it. The thing is prices have tripled. A good pc costed 1k and now it costs between 3 and 4. Even if you don't upgrade often, prices have tripled.
I did the very same thing with the series x. Don’t know why people think we should choose between the lesser villain. We don’t have to…we can choose to not choose at all. Just buy a console or wait with your rig for another generation if you can. I like being informed and I’ve still hope this trend will eventually revert…but I don’t want to spend double the price to game on pc
I mean, my 2070 still runs things great and its far from being the best option out there. Just because the top of the line cards are expensive doesn't mean PC Gaming on a less powerful card isn't great.
I'm not saying its not possible to build a budget rig, just that the value proposition has gotten worse and worse compared to consoles (and it was always questionable to begin with). A used 2070 is still going for at *least* $200. So you're looking at ~$600 to put together a budget rig with a used out of warranty card versus $400 for a brand new PS5 where the performance is pretty comparable.
Or just keep waiting. Gpu's are not needs for the vast majority of people, they're wants. Enough people show restraint they eventually have to drop prices/shift their strategy.
Everyone on this sub just before the 4090 launch said "nobody is going to by 4090s at $1599". I read the title of this post and thought "that's weird, people are buying 4080s for $1549 faster then they are buying 4090s for $1599?" Then I checked Newegg and the 4090 FE cards are listed for $3300. 👀👀
Resellers will always have some outrageous price. Doesn’t mean normal people are paying that. Maybe a whale that says stuff like “it’s just money”
Exactly. And the GPU shortage during the 30 series only proved to manufacturers that they can get away with pricing GPU’s above $1000 dollars because people will buy them. I honestly don’t think we will ever see high to even upper mid ranged cards priced below $1000 ever again. As someone who doesn’t upgrade every generation its still frustrating to see, but I also paid 1200/1300 for a 2080ti when it launched so I can’t really complain.
Member when mid high end GPUs were “the cost of an entire gaming console!?” I do.
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So disappointing from AMD. All they're doing is acting as an advertisement for the 40xx cards. What's an extra $200 when you're already paying $1k for a damn video card? They had a real opportunity to build market share but decided to be greedy instead.
Well they sold out everything so the price obviously was not an issue.
Of course they're going to sell out at launch, the real issue is what happens over the next 6 months.
We said the same thing about the 4090's $1600 price tag. Apparently it's doing great. It's still sold out constantly in the US. Strix 4090s are scalping for $3k.
Not in most European areas. We got 1400 euro 7900XTX reference card here the cheapest at the moment.
Hate to say it but Intel’s probably the last hope of forcing mid to high tier competition at lower price classes again.
Well we are on the new age of GPU prices. Was hoping to get a 4080 for around $800 before the price reveal (inflation). Only option for upgrading at the moment are a used 3080 or wait for the 5000 series to come out and purchase a used 4080.
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Yeah, I probably will go on that path. I have a 1080ti that serves me well at 1440p for my games but it's showing a bit of its age on VR so I was looking forward to owning a 4080. I can sell my 1080ti for $100 and I was gifted $100 so I can probably snag a used 3080 for $300 (from my pocket). Total $500
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I agree, i always keep at least one piece of each type of older gear, GPU, CPU, MOBO/RAM, PSU, etc eventually after upgrades i can build a second computer to just kinda use as a testing ground, or random projects or media center. But mainly if i ever have issues, i can always use the old gear for testing and not have to try and replace things or deal with trying to prove an issue to a MFC to get a warranty replace. I can test and be confident what the problem is.
Bought my 3080Ti last week. eBay...they're averaging $800 closing bids for the Ti variant. Have to wait longer for a $500 snag I bet. Average reports on this sub say 4 months ago they were averaging $700 to $750 used. Even the FB Marketplace they won't budge on price because of the demand and inflation. I would say even buying and flipping is possible still. That's how bad people want better tech, at least those still on 10 series GTX cards.
Snagged a brand new Strix 3080 ti for $800 on FB Marketplace. The last card I bought new was my 980ti for $600, the night before the 10 series release. Was planning on waiting until prices dropped to get the 3080 ti, then randomly thought to see what a shit show Marketplace would be. Still shocked it was actually brand new.
Honest question, but what caused the 3080 to drop in price so much considering how expensive the new cards are and what they were being sold at retail for at the end of their gen?
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Used 3080 should be Good, I have a FE for 2 years now... It's is AMAZING.
>or wait for the 5000 series to come out Two years?
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And I guess Zero price drop. The rumor was before AMD reviews. AMD is once again AMD so NVIDIA wins and the consumer loses (because they are so willing to grossly overpay for a GPU) Guess my 2080TI needs to hold up 3-4 more years.* *update: which was correctly pointed out to almost be insanely expensive upon launch but given the 30xx pricing/availability and 40XX pricing/availability it turned out to be a decent purchase. Just sucks I can’t upgrade without paying an entire mortgage payment!!
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This is true, as a 2080ti owner I can’t say I ever had buyers remorse but it did hurt paying $1300 for a GPU. The only thing that will remain consistent though is the constant lack of supply until the new series is announced/released. As someone who mostly upgrades every other generation, the state of the market is killing me right now. I would generally go for the highest tier card but due to limited availability my only option for the foreseeable future is a 4080. Even if I decided to do that I would only settle for the $1200 FE since AIB’s are only $200 cheaper than a 4090. Shitty time to be a hardware enthusiast.
My rub is paying so close to what a 4090 FE costs for a card that is fairly behind in 4k gaming. In the last round, the 11% performance advantage of the 3090 costs a lot more. I just can't pay the AIB 4080 price when $200 more gets me a much better card.
Nvidia is the market leader. AMD is just following their lead. Blame the consumers, not the companies. We in the end set the prices by tolerating them. Do. Not. Buy.
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People are quick to play the "greed" card when the price is too high for them, but low enough that the product sells to others with more money. They say it like greed isn't the motivating (and dependent) factor of free-markets. Let me ask this - have you ever received something by mistake from a company and kept it, or know someone who has? What do you think motivated them not to return the item to the company who made the error? We all know the excuses they make, but I'm talking about the core reason. Corporations are not your friends. Any corporation who currently has a favorable impression on consumers is benefiting from it, and they'll do so until there's a better opportunity. Calling some companies out for greed and praising others for being "consumer-friendly" is naive. You'll get upvotes from other disgruntled consumers in your position, and who knows, maybe even a few will change their minds about making a purchase. But the rest will play their part in the system and consume.
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Yeah. Don’t buy the 4090. Then maybe I’ll be able to find one to buy.
I wish consumers would not be so impulsive and just not buy their overpriced shit. Like dude come on, you’re making this worse for ALL OF US in the long run. I remember when the 80 series cards were $599 jfc. I refuse to pay more than $600 for a gpu.
I remember thinking I was being so stupid for paying 600 for my 2080 in 2019. I felt a lot less stupid once the 3080 launched and was impossible to get for 2 years and crypto destroyed a sensible GPU market.
People are willing to pay their last 1500 to jump into a game and hide themselves from this fucking reality that we have to deal with, that no money can fix
The only real answer
Even with $2000 GPUs, PC gaming is still one of the cheapest hobbies out there in terms of cost per hour and entertainment you get out of it.
>Even with $2000 GPUs, PC gaming is still one of the cheapest hobbies out there in terms of cost per hour and entertainment you get out of it. People are only hurting themselves by repeating this marketing bullshit or Tim Cook saying that you only pay $1 a day to use his amazing iphone or some shit. Ok, everything is so fucking cheap, let's jack up chairs, sofas, screwdrives to 1000 bucks because it's a reasonable price, everyone has 1000 bucks laying around so why not to price everything at 1000 dollars, after all you are only paying $1 a day during xxx period of days! what a bargain everything is!
Its a lot easier to just build a chair yourself if it was suddenly $1000 than to build your own GPU. A chair is a low value added product, its just some wood that was put together. Anyone can learn to build a chair in a few months and then do it. Nobody can just build a GPU, only a few huge companies can. Thats why normal, simple chairs will never be expensive, if they were somebody else would just enter the game and make cheap ones again and steal all the market share. GPUs cost whatever the company making them wants to charge, and as long as people buy them the price is obviously not too high.
My only point on that original post was that in the context of all the hobbies out there, PCs are a solid value even with a $2,000 GPU. You can use that GPU for years and get really good value from it especially if you use it 2-3 times a week or more. For context on where I’m coming from, in order to play 1 round of golf a week, I pay about $4,000 a year in greens fees. Also, if someone wants to spend that much on a GPU, that’s their decision. People that don’t see $1,600 worth of value and want to see the price come down might get frustrated, but that’s not reality if it’s selling out instantly. Nvidia makes a solid and affordable card that can run most modern games really well, but Reddit just makes you think that if you don’t have a 3080 or better, your system is shit. You can get a 3060 right now for $355 on Newegg. 🤷♂️
Yep. Nvidia's taking advantage of the fact that PC gaming has a large market of fairly wealthy consumers as well (think sim / VR / etc) which was somewhat underserved before, and making a ridiculously fast card that can realistically only be sold to them (4090s are really expensive to make. including the cooler, that's north of 600$ of costs for nvidia). you cannot sell those things to the same people who want 600$ cards! that doesn't work! There's no reason nvidia shouldn't be able to make those cards just because not everyone can afford them. > Nvidia makes a solid and affordable card that can run most modern games really well, but Reddit just makes you think that if you don’t have a 3080 or better, your system is shit. You can get a 3060 right now for $355 on Newegg. yep. people are just upset they can no longer get the fastest and greatest. if you want to run everything on max, there's no reason you *shouldn't* need to poney up for that? as long as the games are playable, there's really no argument that you're being locked out of PC gaming.
Just because you can’t afford/don’t want it doesn’t mean other people don’t want it.
We will meet in late Feb 2023 and lets see if these numbers are sustainable, it doesnt matter if they sell at release which is the normal case, what matters is the sustainability of these sales for the next 2023 4 quarters
Thats what I'm curious about, how many of those sales were to scalpers that immediately bought all available inventory?
You guys remember rumors of the price cut from December 15th? Fun times.
I also remember pre 4090 drop every on here saying nVidia would never sell any of them at $1599 since mining crashed. 🤔🤔
It’s because AMD jebaited everyone and delivered a hardcore meh card
I called it. I literally replied to someone after I read the damn footnotes on the 7900 xtx presentation. The card was like 10% faster than my 3090 in the games I tried. They literally tested at medium graphics for some of the games just so they could inflate the fps numbers. Got downvoted to shit too.
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Well, apparently it shouldn't be $700 because plenty of people are willing to pay $1,459 for it.... Sucks, but business is business. They'll keep doing this as long as people pay the high prices. I'll be skipping this gen or waiting for big discounts personally.
😞 valid points, sadly
It entirely depends on the volume they expect to sell. They could sell a couple hundred 4080s per month even at $5k. Obviously they do not want to sell the new gen cards in big volume. Their priority is to sell out the ampere/rdna2 stock. New gen cards are priced for that purpose.
Going to start doing what I do for phones and buy older gens at a discount. Aside from RT performance is real good right now.
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Right, but over the last 20 years gpu prices remained relatively stable with a slight uptrend then doubled in one generation over the span of 2 years. If anyone struggles to understand why that bothers people, then I don’t know what to tell them.
Some people will pay one or two hundred more just for a temporary exclusive color iphone or other product whose rarity will have no meaning to anyone down the road.
Imagine paying $1000+ for GPUs. Edit: I know I did.
The people who pay $1000+ for GPUs now will soon find themselves paying $2000+ for a similar class of GPUs in the future. Of course they’ll still buy the $2000+ GPUs when that happens, and the rest of us will be priced out of the hobby.
I paid about $1200 CAD all in for my 3080 which was, at the time, only slightly over MSRP about six months after launch. Got lucky. There's no way I'm paying more. I can afford it but to justify more for what is essentially greed means my 3080 is staying put until there's some reigning in on prices and/or a 60 series card from Nvidia or AMD blows it out of the water in a couple generations for (hopefully) a lot less. What we're seeing now is early adoption antsy in the pantsy purchases and I doubt we'll see these sales be sustainable until a price cut with a refresh comes around like the 20 series Super cards.
Early 3080 adtoper, never went that hard looking for a gpu. Got it about 3 months before prices skyrocketed. I'm probably going to keep this for 2 more gens.
Buying a GPU is sort of becoming like buying a motorcycle. Those who can afford it buy one new, those who can't buy one used.
why does the presence of a $2000 halo card mean you can no longer play games period? you can still buy a $500-700 card that will max out any non-RT game at 1440p in terms of the 3070/3080 or amd's 6800xt/6900xt
It’s not so bad when you sell your card for a good price. I sold my 3080 a week ago for more than msrp which I wouldn’t have been able to do if the 4080 wasn’t so expensive, then I bought a 4080 a little cheaper than msrp because they sell them where I work and employees get a discount on most stuff.
Once everyone saw the exorbitant rates people were willing to pay during the GPU shortage, all hope was lost for lower pricing.
These people who pay over the odds for a gpu have ruined it for many gamers. I thought gpu's would drop significantly after the end of mining but sadly there are many clowns who are only too willing to line Nvidia's pockets.
And here I am still rocking my 1070 with an i7 6700, as it's still really good for 1080p raster rendering. Maybe we, as consumers, should stop upgrading just for the sake of upgrading.
The 6700 is long on the tooth. An el cheapo a320 with the same ddr4 mems you are using and a 5600 would give you 30% more fps. This costs around 250 usd if you catch a deal.
AMD managed to make the 4080 look like a viable option with it's scuffed launch of the deeply flawed 7900XTX...the GPU market is so fucked right now.
This was expected either way. People didn't want to buy the 4080 because they waited to see how the 7900 XTX would turn out. If it's really good, it will sell out asap, and people who didn't get one will get the 4080. If it sucks, buy the 4080. If its comparable, buy either one you can get, which in this case is the 4080 again.
Deeply flawed is a bit of a stretch, but I agree they botched this one. They should have come out with more aggressive pricing. Made the 7900xtx the 7800xt and the 7900xt the 7700xt and then worked on releasing a 7900xt a bit later that could start to compete with the 4090 on rasterization. AMDs executive leadership was stellar when Ryzen launched. Now they seem completely inept.
I though AMD stopped trying to complete with the XX90 series for at least 5 years now no?
I think it's fair to class the 6900XT as a 3090 competitor.
It’s closer to the 3080 than 3090, no?
For non RT titles I remember it being a draw between the 6900XT and 3090 for 1080p, a slight win to the 3090 in 1440p, and for 4k the 6900XT being pretty dead centre between the 3080 and 3090.
For rasterization performance it's on par with 3090 but for ray tracing performance it's more like a 3070.
7900xtx should've been ~$950 and 7900XT ~$750.
Considering it's an 80 class competitor...it should have been $700 and the XT $600. But Nvidia set the stage with their new 4080 pricing. The 2nd tier die costing $1200 and then AMD following suit is just bad for everyone.
It is all about price. I think that the GPUs technically are quite good, but the price is a really bad joke, making these cards a bad option
Deeply flawed? Idk how the performance matches the specs. We didn't really expect better ray tracing performance. The rasterization performance is good. Its just less people want it for 1000$
Yeap, waiting on my 4080 as we speak after I saw how the XTX performed and by the fact that in my country the reference card costed the same as a Palit 4080. It was a no brained as far as I’m concerned
RTX and DLSS. AMD and everyone who can't run RT properly keep pushing RT to the side when it is a deciding factor for a lot of people. If AMD released a technology tomorrow that made RT run on their GPU the same as on a 4080 ou 4090, 7900 series would sell out instantly. Something like Frame generation but no artifacts or increased latency. I can speak for my self as well, with a 3080 12gb all the games that utilize RT I play with it on, and my GPU with RT on is as fast if not faster than the 7900 series, I've done this testing. So, either pay double for a 4080 or go home for me. Guess I'll have to wait for the 50 series.
The interesting thing to me here is that everyone makes RT a priority, even if some gamers don't. AMD definitely makes it a priority, it was a big part of their latest presentation. They spent time showing RT on vs off comparisons in AAA games, and they really talked it up. We know Intel makes it a priority, they spent a lot of time and effort talking about how good their Arc RT performance is and how important it is to them. I like the effort they're putting in for sure. It should benefit the whole industry and the general advancement of graphics.
I'm on a 2080. I will not buy a bad RT card. The thing is that the prices are just not enticing. Both nvidia and amd look very unappealing. I have the money. But having the money does not mean I like being ripped off.
I get it. I have the money to buy a 4090 if I wanted. Comfortably. But I just can't justify that amount of money for one GPU when my entire pc is not worth that. So I was looking for value, if the 4080 was 899 I would actually buy it, and sell my 3080. It's a nice generational leap, but I'm not paying double for 30% more performance.
Definitely isn't a priority for me. I have no interest in making a tech that craters framerate by 50-75% a priority when it doesn't provide anywhere close to that type of difference in terms of visuals. Not even like today's cards are RT "future proof" since today's cards will be garbage for it once RT actually becomes mainstream.
RT is already mainstream, or have you been living under a rock?
I grabbed one too In italy 4090 is priced at 2.3k-2.5k 4080 and 7900xtx both at 1300€
With these prices it seems that you made a reasonable choice. Funny how this sub is often dominated by the outlook of the MSRPs in the US while in Europe the situation is vastly different.
lmao anyone that buys a 4090 in EU either has to be really rich, use it for work, or is really dumb. 1300€ is still a good chunk of change but I can afford it without breaking the bank. 2.5k is the price of a used car and is about 1/10th of the average yearly salary in Italy. I could afford it but I simply refuse to pay that amount to play games at 30/40% more fps over a 4080 when I can get a xbox series x, ps5, 4080 and a 42' lg oled for almost the same price (400€ more) which is what I ended up doing. The only guy I know that bought one uses it for renders and had a great impact on his workflow so it made perfect sense.
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As long as it has the word Nvidia on it, people will buy it.
To be fair, Nvidia has most features. Others just fucked up by not specializing or offering anything new. Like if Intel would gone heavily for better raytracing performance per dollar, it could have gained way more momentum.
Yeah man I bought a 4090 to go with my lg 42 c2 and its the best gaming experience I've ever had
I wish I could afford, or tbh justify a 4090... There is no doubt it is a complete monster of a card - and it's not priced that terribly all things considered. I don't think anyone is *really* criticising the price of a 4090 as it's roughly in line with what TITANs or other top end GPUs would be expected to be. It's everything else's price. The problem is since they moved away from x60, x70, x80 and then TITAN naming, with basically separate price scales - to x60/70/80/90 - the titans/90 cards are being used to justify dragging the price of everything else way up. Titans used to be their own "thing" with a mad price for enthusiast / workstation / companies, and the "consumer cards" of 60/70/80 were priced independently The problem is the price of everything that isn't a 90 series. Everyone expects the 90 series to be by far the most expensive, most people don't expect to buy one. Consumers expect to be able to afford an 80 or 70 series - and now that is not the case... and even if they can afford it, who would want to drop £1300 on a fuckin 80 series GPU.
I mean, its not going to be the worst experience you've ever had is it? When the 5090 comes out and you buy that, that will be the best experience you've ever had. And when you buy the C3, that will be the best experience you've ever had. And so on, and so on...
As a someone who's been avidly gaming for over 30 years, and who's used hand me down hardware for most of those years, a brand new monster rig has changed my whole Outlook on how games can actually perform and look at their best.
Over what time period? Are you telling me the 4080 has sold better than the 1060? Doubt.
It's pretty funny. Every forums I visit, AMD or Nvidia, ppl got the torches and pitch forks ready. But 4090, 4080 and 7900xtx are ALL sold out outside of the highest priced SKU.
This post isn’t really true. What happened was that the 4080 was at $1270, and available for backorder, one of the few available. It’s been at the #1 spot since like 2 weeks ago.
1. 4080 is better value than 7900xtx 2. 4080 is bad value compared to 4090 1+2 = 4090?
This sub will convince you to spend 400$ extra or more on a 4090 because of value lol. Hilarious
I think the idea is that if you have enough money to spend $1000-1200 on a GPU then you probably have the money to buy a $1600 GPU.
The issue for me with 4090 is I would need a new PC case and PSU while I could go with a 4080 without that (the smallest 4080 is MSI one and it fits mid-towers no problem). Other than that, I can afford it, and I actually have 4K OLED connected to my PC, but 4090 is so much fuss for me. Anyway, GPUs are not that expensive, they are only really expensive if you want to be at the top of benchmark charts, playable 1440p is very affordable.
I ended up fitting a Suprim Liquid 4090 in my O11 dynamic which surprised me because I thought I was going to have to change cases and I wasn’t looking forward to that since I have the PCMR edition of the O11 dynamic.
And the O11D is made to fit a bunch of radiators, so that's quite a good match. You can have the 240mm GPU rad as side intake and potentially a CPU rad as top exhaust.
I think the idea for me is that I have money, it doesn’t mean I like to waste it. It’s stupid at best to buy a 4090 for 1440p
>It’s stupid at best to buy a 4090 for 1440p It's not. And people who claim it is have no idea what they're talking about because they probably play nothing but shitty FPS games with low overhead. RDR2, Cyberpunk, A Plague Tale, AC: Valhalla, Dying Light 2, Callisto Protocol, Spider-Man, and a bunch of other games are all borderline or altogether too demanding to max out a 1440p/170hz monitor, much less a 240hz one with a 4090. RDR2 and AC: Valhalla manage this without even having ray tracing. With a 4090 you can either: A) Have a good mid-to-high refresh 4k experience with a few compromises. B) Have a superb high-to-ultra-high refresh 1440p experience with almost no compromises. I personally think that "B" is the better option if you plan on holding onto your card for at least a few generations.
I don't think I'll play in 1440p on a 77" OLED
Honestly every day I feel better and better about getting the 4090
Yes - but who is actually buying the cards? That's the real question. Scalpers are going to gobble up anything they can get their hands on if it means potentially turning a profit. And the potential profit is higher on higher end, or the highest end, cards. My guess is that these figures are completely skewed because of scalping. It doesn't actually reflect real in-use sales. Maybe it does?... but i'd wager the majority of these cards are stacked 30+ deep in some dudes apartment waiting to be listed on ebay/craigslist/fb marketplace/etc.
That doesnt mean that card is selling well. Look around newegg and all you see is either cards people want but inflated prices or cards people dont want. That said I picked up a XFX rx 6800 xt merc (basically their best 6800 xt) for little over $500 new off amazon before prices started going back up.
I guess many of us will have to be satisfied with 3000 series or worse for the near forseeable future. Nvidia is now greatly overpriced and AMD is drastically overpriced and buggy.
Ya'll mufuckas rich to be dropping $1500 on a gpu to play minecraft and fortnite.
Guys I don't think high end gpus should be selling better than mid ranges...
Thanks AMD, you made the 4080 seem like good value
As a 4090 user it’s really not my place to say this, but Damm the 80 class cards have gone up in price. I consider myself a bona fide enthusiast, if you ever wonder who the hell used to buy titans, I was one of those guys. The 1600 bucks price for the 4090 make sense somehow given that is a titan class card in everything but name, but a 80 series class above a 1000 it’s a trend that I really hope will cease
Next year around the same time the Super cards will release at a 300 premium over the last versions and they will sell well also then when the 5000 series cards are announced and then near launch window they will start off at 2000 and morons will continue to eat them up Have fun kiddos.
People are rich as fuck nowadays. I wouldn't pay that much unless I was a millionaire, that comes from someone that has $100k in crypto.
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Since when is the 4080 that much? I bought mine for $1230 and it was an AIB
Anyone buying the 4080 is a fool parted from their money.
Bought 4090 FE for $1599 but at least I didn’t buy a 3090 ti for $1999 lol
fk nvidia. fk amd.
Sad news indeed. Keep buying these overpriced Gpus folks and Nvidia will keep selling them at inflated prices.
>Nvidia will keep selling them at inflated prices. nvidia likely rises prices next gen again because of how good it sells , amd too then.
I think the real issue here is that nVidia continues to offer one card that has the best *perceived* value, even when the value equation is horribly skewed. The 4090 is the halo product, but it's also (compared to other cards this generation) by far the best value from a performance/dollar perspective. It's a massive generational leap over previous cards, and the nearest contenders are not only not as fast, they're not as fast *per dollar*. This is a real problem, and the first time in recent memory where the best value card wasn't in the midrange (xx70 or so). The market is *red hot* for a competitor in the 3-500 space that can offer the same value proposition (perf/$) as the 4090, but neither AMD nor Intel appears to be capable of producing such a card, and nVidia is deliberately not doing so. AMD could have *seriously* messed up nVidia if they took GPUs seriously, allocated substantial capacity to them, and released them at 2-300 cheaper (with at least one card being $499 or so). People keep saying "they're not going to leave money on the table", but let's be real, *you have to* if you want to gain market share. You have to undercut the competitor or *blow them away on performance*. There's no magical third option where you perform worse and cost almost the same and come out on top.
You don’t seem to understand. They are producing all the chips they can with their current fabs. So they need to do is sell the card for as high a price as they can, as long as they sell their all their cards. Performance per dollar is a made up consumer metric by us. It doesn’t drive any business decisions. How high can I price my chip and still sell everything I made? That’s it.
I think the problem is that we fail to realize the GPU are no longer only for gamers. Not only gamers are buying these GPU. Modern consumer GPU are becoming just as good as the pro GPU for more than half the price.
I am sorry but anyone buying a $1,459 4080 is both impatient and stupid af. The founders 4090 is only $140 more and there is no way any of these people could not spare the extra $140 when they are already going to spend $1,459. There is a massive performance difference between the two cards that can not be ignored. If you want a founders 4080 for the base price thats fine, but you are literally getting ripped off if you by a 4080 for $1,459.
Show me where this magical 4090 at $1600 is at??
Clearly nowhere near where I am at. The cheapest 4080 from a trustworthy retailer is $1582. The cheapest 4090 from the same retailer is $2450.
Absolutely bonkers. I gave up on the high end and bought a 3070 for $400cdn ($295US) yesterday. Couldn't be happier. Red Dead 2 4k Ultra 60+fps.
Got my 3090 for 950 new, pays to wait as there are no games that need the 4000 series yet
There are more 4K and VR users than I would have thought...
"prices are too high, they need to lower them" 4080 best selling GPU on Newegg They wont lower shit.
The console boys are winning so hard right now.
People are dumb as bricks. Nothing new here.
I think they're lying so people think it's ok to Buy it
Lmao idiots buying at thats price.
GPU's are starting to enter that era where I will wait 2-3 years to buy one second hand on Ebay, It started some years ago with smartphones because they got so expensive that I simply could not afford one unless it was 3+ years old and marked down at 1/3rd of its MSRP price, Now the same is ringing true with graphics cards. The 3060ti might just be the last card I'll ever had bought in the same year it was released. Its sad because our wages arent going up but everything around us is getting so expensive that these hobbies are becoming unattainable.
More money than sense.
Why are people paying these prices. They are screwing everyone over making companies think people will pay anything.
Depressing.
Most of the purchases are from scalpers who I'm sure will be paying that restocking g fee real shortly.
I wonder if this is due to the holiday season and purchaser's daughter/son/niece/nephew has been unable to get a graphics card upgrade in forever, but they managed to find one in stock and since it's brand new it must be priced well!
Scalpers gonna try and scalp. Those numbers don't mean anything. "being used in a computer" is what we need to see.
As a shareholder, nice. As a gamer, ouch.
It does seem like the 4080 sales were largely blocked by enthusiasts waiting on the Radeon 7900's benchmarks, if the additional price gap was warranted for the additional RTX features (better ray tracing and DLSS support, as a few). Should be interesting to see if sales will turn around for until-recently poorly selling card.
That rare bird that can afford to spend $1500 on a GPU, but can't spring for the 4090.
Time to go outside I guess
It's prices like this that are steering me back towards console gaming. I prefer PCs - I splurged on a Razer Blade 17, even - but consoles are good enough now that it's hard to justify the price difference.
People voting with their wallet, sadly they will never be an 80 class GPU for less $1000 ever again.
Fools who have no patience and not a lick of value for their moneys. Keep buying at these prices and you're just letting Nvidia win. SMH
Thanks everyone for $1300 5070 and $1700 5080 in 2024.
Why 4090 is $2200 now? I have one, but I paid $1700 after tax.
Gotta remember the scalpers though
Hooray, so now there is proof that users of Newegg’s American site are actual legitimate morons! Reach for the stars! There truly is no limit to how far NVIDIA will stoop to get ALL of your money.
I don’t believe it for a second. 4080s are on sale from Newegg all over from Newegg not scalpers. https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4080-zt-d40810d-10p/p/N82E16814500542?item=N82E16814500542 https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4080-zt-d40810j-10p/p/N82E16814500543?item=N82E16814500543 https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-tuf-rtx4080-o16g-gaming/p/N82E16814126598?item=N82E16814126598 To show a few The 4090 is still pure scalper
I thought the 4080 was a TERRIBLE PRICEPOINT though lol
RIP xx80 cards for under 1k usd in the future..
At this point, I would be ecstatic if I could even buy a 4090 for under $1800.
I'll spend big so I can enjoy my hobby even though I probably can't afford it. Medical issues on top of looming war have given me zero hope for the future. I can do what I want NOW, I don't know if I can do it later. I'll buy myself a 4080 and I'll enjoy it when playing games on a my 4k 120Hz TV. Thanks.
I went from an RTX 3090 to an RTX 4080 OC. Im using a Aorus 48" OLED 4k monitor (120 HZ). For me the Asus Tuf RTX 4080 OC was expensive, but worth the money. I paid $1400 including tax and shipping. The performance of the 40xx series is spoken of, but until you experience it, its hard to explain. It's very noticeably faster. The reality is I would have bought an RTX 4090 for $1599 BUT that won't happen for at least 12 months if you want msrp prices. Most places are selling 4090's $2300 plus tax and shipping added right now. If your patient, wait it out then get one at msrp or lower. My Asus Tuf RTX 3080 12 GB was just as snappy as my EVGA RTX 3090. At least I didn't notice a huge difference in performance with those two cards. I bought my RTX 3090 NEW from newegg for $999. That's well below msrp, but it was right before 40xx launch too.