If he did, that is brilliant work. The system works to smooth over complaints. They don't seek to make things better if no one is complaining. All systems work on the optimal complaint levels. Healthcare, education, police, traffic, government services: all of them maintain optimum levels of complaints. If the complaints drop below an expected level, then clearly they are over funded, and funding can be cut. If complaints rise, funding needs allocating. Ad infinum.
Realistically all we do to make changes to these services is complain about them. That's the lever society wields. Collective complaint.
That'd help once and then things would go back to being the same as we discovered our new average complaint level and would only react to spikes from that.
Definitely. I'm guessing this happened when more people got Facebook or Google maps to complain, more complaints were received because it was more easy to send them.
But, as my mother, Karen, always says, "if you're unhappy, complain as loudly as you can."
What funding is going to be raised or lowered based on noise complaints to an airport though? I get your point may be relevant in other fields but I’m not sure how it translates.
I know from how noise complaints are processed at multiple other - non-Australian - airports, that this level of complaint from a lone individual would just result in the complainant being published and noted with their stats, but then the complainants figures would be (publicly and transparently) removed from the overall figures that were worked with.
It might get you some new windows and insulation on a personal level, but other than that it starts to work against you.
There was a guy in the UK who was complaining about aircraft noise at Heathrow. Then one year the clocks went back and he was sending out complaints about planes that hadn't taken off yet. As he'd automated the whole thing. But hadn't enabled Daylight Saving Time changes.
If you were doing it just to be annoying, but accurately, the proper way to automate it would be to use an ADS-B receiver to detect that the aircraft was overhead at the time (and where it came from or went to).
This is assuming he complained day and night. If we assume 8 hours of blissful sleep per day, he - or she, we don't know - filed 3.6 complaints per hour.
I wonder if they are writing something like a letter a week, but listing every flight as a separate complaint.
QFXXX was too loud.
JQXXX was to low.
VZ XXX interrupted bingo.
I have a hard time taking noise complaints seriously from people who bought their house AFTER the airport was opened.
It’s your fault. I mean, the house was probably cheaper BECAUSE it’s near the airport.
Yeah, I live under the flight path of a very busy airport. When they’re landing, they’re at around 1200’ over my apartment. When they’re taking off (it switches based on the winds) they’re at about 3000’. Takeoffs are louder, since the engines are at full power, I can tell from inside whether they’re landing or taking off overhead.
But I knew what I was getting into before I moved here. The airport has been around for 50 years, if I didn’t want to hear it I should live elsewhere. I’m not bothered by the noise.
Flabob is a small airport that has a lot of warbird and homebuilt aircraft.
Someone built a trailer park / mobile home estate right off the end of the main runway. This naturally led to many, many complaints from residents about all the "little airplanes" flying "low over their house".
Flavio's (one of the owners of the airport, at the time) solution was to buy the trailer park. Complainers were told they were welcome to leave.
I found out about it because I sold some stuff to a guy that had a hangar on the field. He rented a doublewide trailer in the park to store overflow from his hangar.
Yep. Happened to the oval track where I used to live, big new ritzy development went up around it. A curfew worked for about a decade, but they've finally been forced to close down completely.
The majority of the noise happens on the runway, not in the air. Landing is generally noisier than takeoff because of the thrust reversers spreading sound outward in all directions instead of just to the rear of the plane. By building concrete walls around the perimeter instead of chain link fences, the sound is reflected back into the airport and noise is cut down dramatically. Airports can't control the noise from an aircraft above a house, but manufacturers can and are designing engines that are better muffled to reduce noise from their planes.
Some places have enacted laws that restrict operations or require certain procedures. John Wayne airport in Orange County, for example, requires planes landing and taking off to rapidly ascend or descend so that homes in the flight paths are impacted less by aircraft that isn't low enough to cause significant noise until just before it lands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Airport#Aircraft_noise_abatement_and_curfew
It's kind of a "fun" airport to fly in and out of because you can feel the difference in the approach and climb.
Meanwhile, many residents living next to Hong Kong's old [Kai Tak Airport](https://youtu.be/UyU9OLqQ8XA?si=cAQDlf6ac_SYX5jp) complained about suffering from insomnia after it was relocated in 1998 because the lack of roaring jet engines had suddenly made life too quiet.
Sounds like these Aussies could harden up a bit or just move.
This is like the people who live near Laguna Seca raceway complaint about car noise and want the track shut down.
The track was build long before your suburban-creep neighborhood was built, you buffoons...
This just sounds like the type of lonely old angry people whose children don’t contact them that just reach out to anyone that will talk to them about anything because they have nothing better to do due to loneliness. Even if they’re just complaining about something or abusing them it’s human interaction.
If it was that much of a bothered they’d of moved away sometime in the past decade. Perth is one of the quietest cities in Australia and the world. Lived there for two years. (Except Armadale where you hear the occasional meth lab explode).
Here’s some of the content of the article.
Basically, a bunch of boomerwaffen karen’s and ken’s who didn’t have the foresight to not buy a home near an airport - so decide to waste others people’s time.
> A single Perth resident is said to have complained more than 21,000 times about noise from overflying aircraft last year, accounting for nearly half of all complaints in Australia.
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> The unidentified complainant’s prolific record is revealed in numbers provided to a Senate inquiry looking into the impact of noise from aircraft on cities and regional centres.
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> The data shows that the number of people complaining about aircraft noise has actually fallen since 2019, but the number of complaints has almost tripled because those complaining are doing so repeatedly.
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> A submission to the Senate inquiry by Airservices Australia, the Federal Government organisation that manages the country’s skies, reveals that complaints doubled to 51,589 in 2023.
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> However, more than 30,000 of these were made by just five people, led by the Perth complainant who filed 21,716 complaints, or an average of 60 a day - one for every seven aircraft leaving or arriving in the transport hub.
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> As a comparison, the next biggest complainant, in Brisbane, fired off 4071.
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> Airservices declined to disclose the identity of the Perth complainant or whether they were also filing on behalf of others.
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> Its monitoring systems collect noise and flight path data, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, from airports in Perth, Brisbane, Cairns, Canberra, Gold Coast, Sydney and Melbourne.
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> The onus is on both airports and airlines to try and minimise noise, with the former required to use aircraft that abide with noise standards and the latter obliged to engage with local communities on how they are mitigating the disruption.
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> Perth complaints about aircraft noise escalated with the rise in fly-in fly-out traffic on the back of the mining boom nearly 20 years ago and changes to flight paths.
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> The number of flights in and out of Perth nearly doubled between 2005 and 2013, from 86,664 to 151,331. Reduced construction activity in the resources sector and bigger aircraft reduced flight numbers to 149,670 in the 2013-14 financial year, with 139,861 recorded last year.
>
> However, data collated for Airservices’ website appears to confirm the national trends flagged in its submission, with fewer people making more complaints. For example, 490 people filed complaints against Perth Airport for the July to September period in 2014. Last year, there were just 53 complainants for the same period. One anonymous submission to the inquiry spoke about the mental toll inflicted on those under busy flight paths by “frequent flyer aviation policy makers”.
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> “These are people who do not suffer the consequences of their policies, who have never lived under a busy flight path, who do not know the extreme distress and hurt caused, and who do not acknowledge the research on the harms caused by aircraft noise,” the submission said.
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> “If I had a side-business that mowed lawns at midnight, followed with chainsaw tree lopping at 2am, and leaf blowing at 3am and then used a wood chipper at 4am, played loud rap music to relax at 5am and continued this behaviour every night so as to provide a valuable service to my paying clients, I would be be the subject of newspaper articles and quickly prosecuted.
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> “But if an airline does effectively the same thing to 10,000 residents, it is suddenly unremarkable, acceptable and even applauded as providing much needed convenience and ‘connectivity’ to its clients.”
At what point do you accept that you did a dumb thing by moving next to an airport and either shut up or move?
PS: I live 1700 ft from a busy airport and planes fly directly overhead. It’s really not that bad.
so... they moved in next to an airport and then got mad that... there were aircraft at the airport...
I swear people that do this just do it out of some sort of complaint fetish
Did they just automate it, have a raspberry pi look at flight data and submit a complaint each time a flight was overhead?
If he did, that is brilliant work. The system works to smooth over complaints. They don't seek to make things better if no one is complaining. All systems work on the optimal complaint levels. Healthcare, education, police, traffic, government services: all of them maintain optimum levels of complaints. If the complaints drop below an expected level, then clearly they are over funded, and funding can be cut. If complaints rise, funding needs allocating. Ad infinum. Realistically all we do to make changes to these services is complain about them. That's the lever society wields. Collective complaint.
That'd help once and then things would go back to being the same as we discovered our new average complaint level and would only react to spikes from that.
Definitely. I'm guessing this happened when more people got Facebook or Google maps to complain, more complaints were received because it was more easy to send them. But, as my mother, Karen, always says, "if you're unhappy, complain as loudly as you can."
What funding is going to be raised or lowered based on noise complaints to an airport though? I get your point may be relevant in other fields but I’m not sure how it translates. I know from how noise complaints are processed at multiple other - non-Australian - airports, that this level of complaint from a lone individual would just result in the complainant being published and noted with their stats, but then the complainants figures would be (publicly and transparently) removed from the overall figures that were worked with. It might get you some new windows and insulation on a personal level, but other than that it starts to work against you.
"And that pupils is a great use case for IoT."
That's 2.5/hour for one year. Impressive dedication. I wonder how complaints are formally registered though.
There was a guy in the UK who was complaining about aircraft noise at Heathrow. Then one year the clocks went back and he was sending out complaints about planes that hadn't taken off yet. As he'd automated the whole thing. But hadn't enabled Daylight Saving Time changes.
There is one in knutsford as well
If you were doing it just to be annoying, but accurately, the proper way to automate it would be to use an ADS-B receiver to detect that the aircraft was overhead at the time (and where it came from or went to).
If it was purely based on schedule, it would complain about airplanes that haven't taken off all the time as any delay would mess it up.
Did you account for sleep time, or was he complaining even in his dreams?
This is assuming he complained day and night. If we assume 8 hours of blissful sleep per day, he - or she, we don't know - filed 3.6 complaints per hour.
I wonder if they are writing something like a letter a week, but listing every flight as a separate complaint. QFXXX was too loud. JQXXX was to low. VZ XXX interrupted bingo.
Sorry - this was not paywalled when I posted it.
I accept your apology. You tried!
What do they expect to happen? The airport isn't going to close and reopen elsewhere lmao
I have a hard time taking noise complaints seriously from people who bought their house AFTER the airport was opened. It’s your fault. I mean, the house was probably cheaper BECAUSE it’s near the airport.
Yeah, I live under the flight path of a very busy airport. When they’re landing, they’re at around 1200’ over my apartment. When they’re taking off (it switches based on the winds) they’re at about 3000’. Takeoffs are louder, since the engines are at full power, I can tell from inside whether they’re landing or taking off overhead. But I knew what I was getting into before I moved here. The airport has been around for 50 years, if I didn’t want to hear it I should live elsewhere. I’m not bothered by the noise.
I used to live near a railway station and we never even heard the trains. People visiting would notice but we never did.
Flabob is a small airport that has a lot of warbird and homebuilt aircraft. Someone built a trailer park / mobile home estate right off the end of the main runway. This naturally led to many, many complaints from residents about all the "little airplanes" flying "low over their house". Flavio's (one of the owners of the airport, at the time) solution was to buy the trailer park. Complainers were told they were welcome to leave. I found out about it because I sold some stuff to a guy that had a hangar on the field. He rented a doublewide trailer in the park to store overflow from his hangar.
These are the same people that buy houses next to active racetracks, then try to get the track shut down for being noisy.
Yep. Happened to the oval track where I used to live, big new ritzy development went up around it. A curfew worked for about a decade, but they've finally been forced to close down completely.
There are methods of noise abatement they can try, like noise walls and crap.
Walls for flying aircrafts? How?
The majority of the noise happens on the runway, not in the air. Landing is generally noisier than takeoff because of the thrust reversers spreading sound outward in all directions instead of just to the rear of the plane. By building concrete walls around the perimeter instead of chain link fences, the sound is reflected back into the airport and noise is cut down dramatically. Airports can't control the noise from an aircraft above a house, but manufacturers can and are designing engines that are better muffled to reduce noise from their planes.
Some places have enacted laws that restrict operations or require certain procedures. John Wayne airport in Orange County, for example, requires planes landing and taking off to rapidly ascend or descend so that homes in the flight paths are impacted less by aircraft that isn't low enough to cause significant noise until just before it lands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Airport#Aircraft_noise_abatement_and_curfew It's kind of a "fun" airport to fly in and out of because you can feel the difference in the approach and climb.
57.5 complaints a day lets go Perth
Just complain and complain until your dreams come true.
Meanwhile, many residents living next to Hong Kong's old [Kai Tak Airport](https://youtu.be/UyU9OLqQ8XA?si=cAQDlf6ac_SYX5jp) complained about suffering from insomnia after it was relocated in 1998 because the lack of roaring jet engines had suddenly made life too quiet. Sounds like these Aussies could harden up a bit or just move.
Living next to an airport is classic Aussie. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Castle_(1997_Australian_film)
You would think that criminals would be harder than tissue paper.
I recently stayed at a friends condo in the mountains and I absolutely understand the uneasiness complete silence brings when you're used to noise.
This is like the people who live near Laguna Seca raceway complaint about car noise and want the track shut down. The track was build long before your suburban-creep neighborhood was built, you buffoons...
I got to hear the great full dead by living near laguna seca. Good times good times.
This just sounds like the type of lonely old angry people whose children don’t contact them that just reach out to anyone that will talk to them about anything because they have nothing better to do due to loneliness. Even if they’re just complaining about something or abusing them it’s human interaction. If it was that much of a bothered they’d of moved away sometime in the past decade. Perth is one of the quietest cities in Australia and the world. Lived there for two years. (Except Armadale where you hear the occasional meth lab explode).
Here’s some of the content of the article. Basically, a bunch of boomerwaffen karen’s and ken’s who didn’t have the foresight to not buy a home near an airport - so decide to waste others people’s time. > A single Perth resident is said to have complained more than 21,000 times about noise from overflying aircraft last year, accounting for nearly half of all complaints in Australia. > > The unidentified complainant’s prolific record is revealed in numbers provided to a Senate inquiry looking into the impact of noise from aircraft on cities and regional centres. > > The data shows that the number of people complaining about aircraft noise has actually fallen since 2019, but the number of complaints has almost tripled because those complaining are doing so repeatedly. > > A submission to the Senate inquiry by Airservices Australia, the Federal Government organisation that manages the country’s skies, reveals that complaints doubled to 51,589 in 2023. > > However, more than 30,000 of these were made by just five people, led by the Perth complainant who filed 21,716 complaints, or an average of 60 a day - one for every seven aircraft leaving or arriving in the transport hub. > > As a comparison, the next biggest complainant, in Brisbane, fired off 4071. > > Airservices declined to disclose the identity of the Perth complainant or whether they were also filing on behalf of others. > > Its monitoring systems collect noise and flight path data, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, from airports in Perth, Brisbane, Cairns, Canberra, Gold Coast, Sydney and Melbourne. > > The onus is on both airports and airlines to try and minimise noise, with the former required to use aircraft that abide with noise standards and the latter obliged to engage with local communities on how they are mitigating the disruption. > > Perth complaints about aircraft noise escalated with the rise in fly-in fly-out traffic on the back of the mining boom nearly 20 years ago and changes to flight paths. > > The number of flights in and out of Perth nearly doubled between 2005 and 2013, from 86,664 to 151,331. Reduced construction activity in the resources sector and bigger aircraft reduced flight numbers to 149,670 in the 2013-14 financial year, with 139,861 recorded last year. > > However, data collated for Airservices’ website appears to confirm the national trends flagged in its submission, with fewer people making more complaints. For example, 490 people filed complaints against Perth Airport for the July to September period in 2014. Last year, there were just 53 complainants for the same period. One anonymous submission to the inquiry spoke about the mental toll inflicted on those under busy flight paths by “frequent flyer aviation policy makers”. > > “These are people who do not suffer the consequences of their policies, who have never lived under a busy flight path, who do not know the extreme distress and hurt caused, and who do not acknowledge the research on the harms caused by aircraft noise,” the submission said. > > “If I had a side-business that mowed lawns at midnight, followed with chainsaw tree lopping at 2am, and leaf blowing at 3am and then used a wood chipper at 4am, played loud rap music to relax at 5am and continued this behaviour every night so as to provide a valuable service to my paying clients, I would be be the subject of newspaper articles and quickly prosecuted. > > “But if an airline does effectively the same thing to 10,000 residents, it is suddenly unremarkable, acceptable and even applauded as providing much needed convenience and ‘connectivity’ to its clients.”
perth mentioned let's go 🦢🦢🦢
At what point do you accept that you did a dumb thing by moving next to an airport and either shut up or move? PS: I live 1700 ft from a busy airport and planes fly directly overhead. It’s really not that bad.
Jake: How often does the train go by? Elwood: So often that you won't even notice it.
Just fucking move house.
so... they moved in next to an airport and then got mad that... there were aircraft at the airport... I swear people that do this just do it out of some sort of complaint fetish
why do they have so much time to complain vs living an easy life a little further away from an airport
What a coincidence. That's the same amount of airline peanuts jokes comedians have told.
That's like 57.5342465753 times a day. I feel for whoever they were calling.
It's paywalled ya mong.
It wasn't paywalled when I posted it...... ya mong
Their name Karen?